the satanic religion? does anyone really have a problem with it and if so why? im just wondering. also do you consider it a cult?
keep in mind the 4 main things to a cult is...
1 one leader to follow
2 some sort of rituals
3 customs that seem crazy to others or irrational
4 not allowed to leave
examples...no offense to anyone but polygamists.

Satanism doesn't bother me at all.
A little study of that belief system would cause most people to think it's at least a fairly reasonable set of beliefs for a human being.
The people who are "bothered" by Satanism are the ones who have no idea what it is about, and everything they know about it is simply false stereotypes, old propaganda and the like.

There are two types of Satanism. I have no problem with either but one of them seeks to destroy the church and enters churches by posing as church goers only to start rumors and affairs in hopes of breaking up the church. From what I have read you are not this type of Satanist. People do not even believe this other type exists. Still...no problem with that type and if they try to destroy our churches all we can do is pray about it...prayer warriors.

It is not so much the name that matters but what the name represents that causes one to question what the person is actually worshiping!
Their are those who worship Nazism, but because its history is but a short step away in the annals of time they are frowned upon and despised.
Satanism means different thing to different people and not all are favorable opinions because of the evil character that bears the same name!

Hmm I suppose there are different types and I am not o'fey with all of them.

I quite like aspects of LaVeyan Satanism but I don't really get the 'reverse christians' ones. But generally no I don't have problems with Satanism.

I don't know much about it but when I think about 'Satanism', images of dark-robed hooded cloaked people standing around a camp fire out in the middle of the woods, late at night chanting......I suppose I have Hollywood to thank for that....

Why use that name though ?? What's the meaning, significance behind it ??

As often happens im with irish. Id assume a satanist is a worshipper /follower of satan. Why anyone would choose this route is difficult for me to comprehend, but perhaps they have a different philosophical construct of, or physical relationship, with good and evil than i do, and thus see things differently from me.

You know if you take the jewish idea of Satan he's not very evil at all, in fact he's an employee of big daddy Yahweh, what changed? Could it be the Christian religion needed an enemy other than those non-jews who were trying to inhabit israel?

Acutally there are 3 types of Satanism. There is the Judeo-Christian pantheon, they are the only ones who are not considered Pagan.


The next group of Satanist are those who belong to the Church Of Satan founded by LaVey in 66. Lastley there is the Temple of Set founded by Michael Aquino in 75. However Setians do not worship Satan but the Egyptian God Set. Both the Chruch of Satan & Setians are consided left-hand paths.

I do not have a problem with any Satainst. I think it's something unreal to see people freak out when they finally meet one face to face!

The opposite of good is evil.
The opposite of God is satan. It bothers me because I see it as a worship of evil. Of all the beliefs I have learned from here at UM satanism scares me the most. I mean what kind of person would choose to pick evil over good? Doesn't that say something about who they truly are?
I have no idea if they claim to have powers or if they do but I would just assume not know. God is always the right choice when the choices are God or satan.



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The thing about them Sandy is that they are not what you think they are, I know one who works at a preschool you might know one & do not know it.

I find that hard to believe, I mean they are choosing to worship evil. I don't know anyone like that. I am sure they see their beliefs as we do ours but we do not worship the epitome of evil. I just really don't understand it.



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I guess theyd be your lapsed satanists. Hopefully, given their career path, theyve given up sacrificing kids of any sort.

And yes that was a joke, and yes it may have been in bad taste, and yes i know little about the forms or functions of satanism other than those outlined by alastair crowley and his ilk.

I do not equate any form of paganism with the worship of satan which, as sandee suggests, is a choice to worship that which is intrinsically evil rather than that which is intrinsically good.

If, in western culture, I claimed to worship mickey mouse, people could rightly assume they understood who/what i was worshipping. In western culture, if you claim to worship satan, people can rightly assume you are worshipping our cultural picture of satan, unless you clearly indicate otherwise.

But many would not judge your God as intrinsically good. That is perhaps your view and judgment of him. Lol no offence meant of course.

Christianty as a whole believe that anything that is not of thier God is Satantic, so I see what your saying she grew up believing that. I assume anyhow.

Fair comment . Good and evil are culturally created concepts . Our culture has blurred/changed its definitions of good and evil from those when the bible was written. Personally, i find the bible concepts of good and evil more functional, but not everyone shares my taste.

Today we value the rights of the individual more highly. I, like the writers of the bible, put more emphasis on the rights of the society, because it is the society which provides protection for the vulnerable and powerless. Thus i will tolerate some "harm" of an individual and his/ her rights, if it brings a net good to society. God is a lot like this, which may be why he gets on so well with me .

No offence taken

I would suggest that Satanism, at least as practiced by LaVey is more about choosing liberty and Independence over control and subjugation.

That said I don't have a problem with Satanism, I disagree with some of the ritualisation and I think the mocking of the Catholic Faith is pointless and in the end belittles the Satanists in a way but its still quite an interesting thought.


AR

The God of the Israelites is not a dualistic god. The case can be made that the Israelites believed in henotheism or monolatry at one time. Maybe you are confusing us with Gnostics since that is the closest related belief system towards Christianity that believed in a dualism but they are so far out of the Judeo-Christian concept of God they do not reflect Christianity but only themselves.



The Temple of Set is a sect that broke away from Le Veyan Satanism. There really is just two types of Satanism and there are many flavors of each.

Thelema, I heard from someone who was once an initiate, is very male chauvinistic. One of their highest rituals has to do with a female ingesting the male priest's ejaculate. Sexual magic.

I am agreeing with those wondering why they picked such a name? Some I am sure are really on the left-hand path but there are many posers who just want shock value regardless of which of the two types they choose to follow.

im satanic and yes there are aolt of us. even some in the acting scene.

the name was actually a fault of ours to say "satanic" is to say we do everything the catholic church teaches not to such as lust gluttony and basically it shows no god is there no satan exists and when you die well differnt belifes for this some belive poof! thats it...others belive you come back

The acting scene haha...

Well my wife and mother-in-law one time walked in on a Satanist. She was in front of some statue that was exotic and came far away, the woman used to have gatherings of very affluent people, some of the richest in town, who would visit her home and they used to do what they did around it (this was heard from someone else they know), well the one time my wife and her mother walked in on that lady she was alone, she was sitting in front of it with a bunch of food spread out, she was making a huge mess, her hair was wild, she was flailing her face and such, this was back in the 80s. My wife and her mother would hear breathing in the house. True story.

She was definitely not the Satanic Bible type of Satanist. She was into magic and spirituality.

I'm wondering Weregirl, if you happen to have any thread here, that you could have titled, 'Ask a Satanist?', and if you hadn't, maybe you should? Unless this thread could constitute as such? I am quite surprised, by what you have told us here about your belief system, and that it is nothing that I thought it was. Maybe you need to say more about your religion?

Sandee, maybe you need to know more about weregirl's belief? There maybe a simple way of identifying it, but in life, I have found out all these years and all the places I have lived in, nothing is ever simple.

well satanists belive you can curse people but not magic magic....but curses just out of your own rage and power can happen. kinda like a screwed up karma....perhaps i should but i know little people will respond....nor do people care they will just always judge in there own way..its like telling a dog not to eat a cat it can be done but not easily

There is nothing wrong with Christians not wanting nothing to do with Satanist. As long as they do not bash them and such no one should be forced to associate or even learn about another. I say this because many Satanist dabble in negative energy and that energy does not click well with positive energy. There are some Satanist who are more positive though but mostly they are of negativity. Actually most are narcissist and put self first before others. Some are nihilist. All types of negative energy and stuff IMHO. We should be careful about what type of energy fields we get ourselves into. Satanist of any type, I have no problem with, but they are the one group I would not want to associate with regardless of which type of Satanist they are.

so that in mind you cnat post where i post? lol ...also this is what i mean its freedom why do people think they have to be so bi-est about religons? obviously if we dont understand somehting it makes it wrong or bad. this is why the rekligon exists!! because of close minded people who are scared to veiw what could be right or even what could be aginst the religon you where taught

I am not close minded and I can post anywhere I think lol. I just would not want to be around you IRL. I am too weak to be around such negative energy it would have harmful effects on me. I understand your beliefs and because of it I can base my decision that it would be harmful to me on an energetic level to be around Satanists.

did you know that anthony hopkins was satanic? they are not negitive if anything it saved my life so yes you are close minded. for the mear fact you meet and chill with them everyday! and you dont know it. there are 4,000 in chicago alone on the north side inner city 2,000

Maybe your view is close minded for not accepting mine? They saved your life but they would drain energy from me. I have a right with who I associate with and I can pretty much guarantee I do not associate with Satanist daily. I can be very, very social when I need to be but most of the time I am just around my immediate family and I work alone for the most part.

but u seem nice y?

Really I wonder if you begrudge me that right while at the same time reserving your right to not associate with Christians? Does not your religion mock them? Well I do not mock your beliefs so ya lol...

Sort of like the Hatfield's and the McCoys.

But meh I am just to weak. You have to understand in large groups I get weak as it is it is like they suck the energy out of me sort of like the way the hot Texas sun does too. I can quickly become the center of attention though when necessary especially if it is all hype. But like being in a huge area where just random people are all around me and they are all not on the same wave length it just drains me. I also know that negative energy, not just Satanist, but nihilist too drain me.

i am mocking but im weird im try to be respectful unless dis respect comes to me. my mother is catholic brother pegan and other friends christan. we get along for odd resons. i understand but im not negitive in fact im really caring once ya get to know me

aye well perhaps I was generalizing. I am sure you are not negative either and like I said some Satanist are more positive but perhaps I was wrong about the ratio cause maybe many more are actually positive. I do not think it makes one a bad person at all. But the negative energy people of any faith, there are Christians too, just drain me.

I do know many can find a great sense of individualism and self-empowerment as a Satanist. Those are good things as long as it is not at the expense of others I guess.

as compared to a puppy as my brother says annoy me and ill bite but if ya are nice i lick your face lmao j/k

back to the topic

I have no problem with the basic tenets of LeVayan Satanism (well, except a couple don't make sense to me at all) but by in large, meh, it's pretty innocuous.

Mostly, I choose not to be around people who mock others, which most satanists are very good at. Like Clovis mentioned, it's tiresome, draining and frankly trite. If I knew any satanists who weren't hell bent (pardon the pun) on mocking everyone and everything around them, I'd probably think they were pretty cool. But, to date, I've met very few that don't possess that quality. Make no mistake though, I avoid anyone satanists or not who derive great joy from mocking and other undesireable self-centered qualities.

I don't have a problem with satanists, but they typically are not the kind of people I choose as friends. Not because of their religion, but because of their personality traits.

yes but ppl keep in mind not al satanists are like this

Which was why I specifically used words like "most", "to-date", and other vocabulary that allows me to change my mind should I find out that my notion is incorrect. I prefer to remain opened minded and make decisions about people and groups on a case by case basis.

I agree with what Clovis says here. When I think of Satanism, LaVey is ultimately who comes to mind. Out of curiousity, several years ago, I read the Satanic Bible. To me, it is a religion based off of gloryifying the ego, and the self indulgant pursuits of same. Its almost ironic that so many people do just that, without even thinking about it, whereas the Satanist knows full well what they are doing. The self is God, right? I am a believer in karma. When you put yourself first over everything and everyone, you are creating negative energies, and bad karma. A conscious sin is always worse than one of ignorance. You CHOOSE the things of flesh over spirit, regardless of the consequences they have. To me, this cannot be good.

However, I believe in reincarnation, and as such, you are choosing to put yourself first in this life. But this one life is a mere drop of water in the river. You've probably been a Christian in another life; who knows, maybe you even lived a life or lives of piety, so now you have the need for a different experience. Even as a Satanist, I think you'll ultimately find your way back to God, whether you like it or not lol. After living a life putting desire first, you may choose to come back as a Buddhist next time.

see the thing about this is some satanists do belive in rencarnation. but we come back as an animal or as a spirit in some parellel world its coomplicated those are not the teachings i follow but i think you may come back one way or another because how can death relly be "it"

Well, that's rather why I don't feel its 'bad' to be a Satanist, really. I believe its all about soul experience. In this life you are on a soul journey; and for whatever reason you chose to be of this persuasion in this incarnation; there is a purpose to it. You had something to gain from this.

What are some of the things YOU believe in that satanism teaches? I am curious...and I assure you, I won't attack your beliefs, even if I personally disagree with them. I respect everyone, or at least try to lol.

Sandy, you've misinterpreted Anton LaVey's Church of Satan. I had a very brief stint with the CoS a long long time ago, back when I was an atheist. Anton LaVey's CoS has nothing to do with the Christian idea of Satan, rather, their version of "Satan" has to do with the pagan idea of indulgence over abstinence. Suffice it to say that the CoS is actually an atheist/agnostic association.

Its finals week, I'd post some more but I really have to buckle down and get my stuff done
Heres a link for everything you need to know about the CoS: LaVey's Church of Satan

Hay, I resemble that remark. Satanism doesn't bother me at all. Each to his own Path. I see Satanism as a Christian Path, rather than Pagan. Pagans for the most part don't believe in Satan, but Christians do.

ok..first of all there are not only two..but THREE types of satanism. The first, and most common for of Satanism is the satanic church founded by Anton Lavay..i think thats how you spell his last name. He wrote the Satanic bible, and founded the Satanic church which is located in California. NOW, these people DO NOT WORSHIP SATAN!!!!!! they, in fact, are ATHIESTS, denying the existance of ANY god but THEMSELVES. THEY are THEIR OWN GOD, their own ruler, and their own judge. They do what they want, if it grants them plesure, no matter what the act is, they will do it. Lavay satanism is all about pleasing yourself to the fullest extent. Anton Lavay chose to call his religion Satanism because its mocking Xianity, spitting in their face he knew all xians would cringe at the word satanism...

The second form of satanism, and in my opinion the least common, is worshiping lord lucifer as he is depicted in the holy bible. The very opposite of God. They usually worship him, and ask to be apart of the hierachy in hell after life on earth. Idk much about this form of satanism, I find it very dumb and ignorant for a person to purposly worship an evil entity...and in return..ask to go to a giant lake of burning sulfur where they think they might rule over the rest burning people? yeah...not for me.

The third form, and the second mose common, is Spiritual Satanism. Spiritual Satanism denies the existance of ANY god BUT father SATAN. He is the one and ONLY CREATOR GOD! To them, the bible was written by the clergy to rid the world of the truth, and keep mankind from gaining spiritual powers and reaching the 'godhead' state by raising the Kundalini, which is a fiery serpent that lays at the base of everyones spine. When the kundalini is raised..one is suppose to experience hightened senses, and extreme psychic powers. Spiritual Satanism is also said to be the OLDEST religion of ALL TIME. The egyptians, for example, have many cave writings and even sculptures of demons that work for father satan. They also have drawings on the raising of the kundalini. In this religion, Satan has no horns, no bat-like wings, and is not red. The bible depicts him this way so that people think hes an evil entity when truly he is made of nothing but pure good. His goal is to help mankind reach the godhead state....all men have the capability to become godlike...this is what the clergy wanted to hide from society, so they can keep the power and control the masses. For more info on spiritual satanism, visit joyofsatan.com

hope i helped clear some things up

As long as they do no Harm nwith their prayers and or actions twards my brothers, I have no problem with their beliefs.

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I agree with you about the worship of evil. While the opposite of good may be evil, the opposite of God is not Satan. Satan is nowhere in God's league. God is way higher, he has no opposite. Regards.

Satan was created By God, Corect, Is no threat to Father and Good has already prevailed, but There must be evil to know what Good actually is, or your spirit would still be in Heaven where it was created, No need to even come down.

Satan is not Lucifer, and can chang second by second, Just watch the news, once one satan has a change of heart another gladly takes his place.

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but satanists bont belive in god either!!!nor satan!!

well is it really aginst your god? i mean if there was no evil there would be no good so cant it be good to be evil sometimes?? i mean satanists arnt evil because no we dont belive in satan im just saying

Huh? You lost me here.....You call yourself a Satanist, but you don't believe in Satan? Then why even call it Satanism? Isn't it then something more like Animism? I should think that a 'religion' called Satanism should presuppose an entity called Satan. Don't the Lavey Satanists believe in Satan? Lol I don't get it......take him out of the equation and it just sounds like either Animism or Epicurean, materialistic philosophy with a more intense, eyebrow raising name. You're a Satanist? Ohhhhh...........

no ninfact Lavey's bible says we dont belive in satanisum...Its a name that goes aginst christaniy that they actually gave us long ago because of the fact we go aginst all there teachings we worship our selves and thats a sin to christans no god nor satan there are different types but ours is we are gods. And the fact we can if we wish summon the power to curse those who wrong us. Like someone in here said there are 3 types. And yes the other types do go into the woods and make sacrifices to satan