Urgent , please pass this information on as far and fast as you can:
Urgent: Robert Pickton pig farm murders linked to Hells Angels international drug distribution operations

background on Pickton murders, pig farmer thought to have killed 49 women
and fed them to pigs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

I found reams and reams of discussion on how there must have been others involved, how the Pickton brothers held giant Hells Angels parties in their dance hall barn called Piggy Palace, and how all the girls killed were junky prostitutes associated with the drug traffic that the bikers were all connected with, etc.,
and how most of the women killed were in the process of trying to leave the streets. I began to suspect that these killings were the work of an organized network of people 'silencing' women who knew too much about the drug trade.

I realized that mulching bodies and feeding them to pigs would be an extremely efficient means of completely disposing of bodies. (Pigs even eat the bones) so I decided to see if I could find any more cases of bodies
being fed to pigs. I found this story of a stripper in Australia who was
tortured and raped by HElls Angels in an almost identical setting:
source:
http://tinyurl.com/54p76p
This woman reported being abducted, held captive, and raped in 2000 by Hells Angels who threatened to put her through a mulcher alive and feed her to the pigs. This happened in Australia, but the interesting part is that this was reported to the police in 2001, and this would have been two years before Pickton was even charged in Canada, with exactly the same crime, so there would have been no question of whether these bikers were simply copying something that they heard about bikers (Pickton brothers) doing in Canada.





Even more parallels here: These Australian Hells Angels tortured her in a shed and the metal cutting tools (grinder and blow torch) and truck gate she was tortured with in the shed? the setting sounds like a chop-shop or car salvage operation.

Just like the Pickton Hells Angels yard in Canada:


Holy hellhole, could there be any more similarities than this? Hells Angels
rape a stripper at a 'yard' on the edge of the city, in what appears to be
a car salvage/chop shop shed, and threaten to mulch her alive and feed her to
pigs:

Port Coquitlam, B.C., Canada? No. Melbourne, Australia!


Check this out, The media always refers to these Pickton guys as pig farmers, yokels etc. They are apparently ignoring and
downplaying the biker and organized crime aspect to these murders.
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article on how Pickton's biker brother Dave Pickton balked at being issued a subpoena to appear in court in defense of his brother Robert because the date conflicted with a big Hells Angels rally in South Dakota that he wished to attend:
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/281989

Where was he going in Sturgis. South Dakota? Just north of Rapid City, in August of every summer,
a massive Hells Angels rally is held in Sturgis to commemorate their first crew assignment in August of 1942 at the
Rapid City Army Base. Ever wonder why so many Hells Angels are Vietnam Vets, former marines,
navy seals, green berets, black-ops assassins, etc? The Hells Angels are run by the f'ing CIA!, that's
why!

http://www.303rdbg.com/427newton2.html



Crew Formation and Flight to England:
Captain Newton's Crew was formed in May 1944 at Rapid City Army Air Base, South Dakota



GEORGE C. NEWTON CREW - 427th BS
B-17G Queenie #42-97281 GN-Q
(crew assigned 427BS: 17 Aug 1944 - photo: 30 Dec 1944)


Aerial view of just part of the Sturgis biker rally that annually draws upwards of 500,000 bikers and Hells Angels
to the Rapid City area every August.



http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&a...p;z=10&om=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgis_Bike_Rally


The Hells Angels are an extension of the CIA's drug smuggling/drug trafficking operations.

Further evidence of how closely the whole Harley Davidson/ Hells Angels biker scene is linked to the military.
check out the Harley Davidson Military Sales Program (discount deliveries of Harley Davidson motorcycles for overseas armed services personnel)


Harley Davidson got its biggest growth as a company with military war contracts.

The U.S. military deliberately 'seeds' the military community to help the CIA build it's biker culture.



President Clinton, left, and Harley-Davidson
CEO Jeffrey Bleustein

I'll have to read through all of that later. It brings to mind some program I saw a few years ago which was discussing the crimes of some man who had a farm and disposed of his victims by doing exactly what you mention above - turning the bodies into mulch/food for his pigs.

I had forgotten all about that until just now. I wonder if this Robert Pickton is who they were talking about, or if it was some other place/connection. Wish I could remember what the show was, it seems like it was at least 5 years ago since I remember seeing it. I only caught it once though. It was like some true crimes program on court tv or something like that.

I'll have to read through that first post a little later and see if some things start to ring a bell.

ya know you throw their name around like there just a bunch of killer thugs that dont know how to work a computer,you do realize they have lawers not just one,,a army of lawers hells angels are in every leval from working class to board rooms,hell they own and run 3 or 4 diffrent tattoo mags have their own closthes line including shoes,,,chapter 81's....you gonna keep posting this stuff and if you dont get a ass beating youll get your ass sued off...and if your right and they are behind all those murders that you speak of,,not just regular street gang life,,,dont you think they would make it a point to find you,,i mean your not talking about a fake spec.ops group your using the name of a world wide organasation....im not saying there out looking for you or you should be affraid or anyhting like that im just saying i would watch where you spew this stuff when your not hidden behind a computer on a message board..

It's too late, the cat's out of the bag. Thousands of people know about this now, so there is no point in trying
to shut everyone up .


Nevada Hells Angels president & brothel owner convicted for child porn

*************
Hunter S. Thompson was from Nevada, and stories persist that Thompson
was involved with taping snuff child porn at Bohemian Grove with
Paul Bonacci, and once rode with the Hells Angels and wrote a book on his
weeks spent travelling with them:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/goschgannoh...le05apr05.shtml

but your last post kind of shoots you entire therory that the H.A.'s are protected by the cia,they took down a president of the nevada chapter,thats the shot caller the on that tells everybody what to do,,if he was working for the cia he would surley be protected and this court case would have never seen the light of day.

There is no way to know for sure what happened. No one is completely protected. Maybe he pissed off someone in the CIA
and they let him go down. Or maybe he just got sloppy and there are limits even to the power of the CIA in some situations.
Could be they had to sacrifice him in order to conceal something even bigger, and if they had tried to 'protect him' it would have been
too risky. Or it could be that the power of the CIA is in decline, and more and more of these people are getting nailed.

THen there is this story of the son of the Oakland Hells Angels president
who was convicted of murdering a woman with 'puncture wounds
all over the body'.The autopsy description of the body sounds like some satanic sacrifice trauma was
done to the body(the coroner states in the following article that it was
the most badly traumatized victim he'd ever seen:

"The director of Highland Hospital, where Stefanson took Lamb, said her body was the most traumatized he had ever seen during 22 years of work at the county's trauma center.
During that time, he said, he had seen people trampled by elephants and victims of multivehicle freeway accidents. "

-and she was killed in a soundproofed, boarded up
house, with a grow-op in the basement and a torture chamber with the blood of at least three victims found

http://www.crimesceneblog.com/?p=349
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn41...08/ai_n25144342

Oakland biker found guilty of murder, torture
Oakland Tribune, Apr 8, 2008 by Paul T Rosynsky


OAKLAND -- Earl Stefanson viciously killed his former girlfriend Leslie Lamb and brutally beat two other women, a jury declared Monday as it found Stefanson guilty of 17 criminal charges, 12 of which were felony counts, including murder, torture and false imprisonment.

It took the jury of six men and six women a week to reach its decision, which will most likely result in Stefanson spending the rest of his life in prison.

"The jury just confirmed what we knew all along -- this man is a monster," said Ann Lamb, the mother of Leslie Lamb. "He will never be able to do this again."

Stefanson shook his head and then stared straight ahead as the verdict was read.

His frequent smirk throughout the trial was replaced by a scowl.

Meanwhile, the decision brought tears to the eyes of about a dozen family members and friends of Lamb, who was 36 at the time of her death in 2006.

There was a gasp when the decision on the first of 18 counts was read; some supporters pumped their fists in the air.

"I am very happy that we will never have Earl Stefanson on the streets again," said Deputy District Attorney Casey Bates, who argued the case against Stefanson. "It is satisfying for me to know that (the jury) believed the testimony of (the beaten women)."

The decision came after a trial more than three weeks long, which included two women's grueling recollections of beatings by Stefanson and horrific autopsy photographs of Lamb's body.

The pictures, which were shown during both opening and closing statements and once during testimony, showed a body covered with black and blue marks.

Several parts of the body were marked with lines as if a rope had been tied around it, and puncture wounds were seen throughout, including a 5-inch gash in Lamb's head.

The director of Highland Hospital, where Stefanson took Lamb, said her body was the most traumatized he had ever seen during 22 years of work at the county's trauma center.

During that time, he said, he had seen people trampled by elephants and victims of multivehicle freeway accidents.

Among Lamb's injuries were seven broken ribs, a punctured lung and blunt trauma to the head. It took the coroner 51/2pages to detail every injury.

Bates opened the trial by telling the jury it would hear about a case of prolonged torture and sadistic actions. He labeled Stefanson an evil man with a dark soul.

When Stefanson was arrested, police described his house as a scene from the hit thriller "Silence of the Lambs." Soundproofing materials were placed on the walls; windows were covered by plywood and curtains; and the doors had two-by-four wooden boards across them.

Bates hinted during the trial that Stefanson was using the house for a marijuana-growing operation.

Police found more than 100 plants in his basement, and Stefanson stole electricity from his neighbors after PG&E cut power to the home for nonpayment.

Bates' label for Stefanson and the descriptions of beatings intensified later in the trial after both Kristin Nielson and Zeba Wahed told the jury about how Stefanson would routinely attack them for no reason at all.

Nielson said she had a 5-inch knife thrown at her, which stuck in her left thigh, leaving her numb in the leg.

She said she was punched in the face numerous times for no reason and was forced to buy an ice cream cake for herself on her birthday after being beaten by Stefanson.

Wahed told of being locked in a U-Haul trailer for 12 hours and then later being locked in a flooded crawl space for almost two days.

She also described numerous beatings, which included having a gun in her mouth, an arrow smashed on her head and endless kicks to the ribs and punches to the face.

Wahed lost a kidney as a result of one of the beatings.

"It still hasn't sunk in," Wahed said during a telephone interview after the verdict was read. "His reign of terror finally came to an end. I'm getting chills all over."

Wahed said she hopes the decision opens Stefanson's mind and forces him to realize that he has an addiction to methamphetamine and brutal beatings.

She also said she hoped Stefanson finds God while in prison.

"He never knew God, he always spoke badly of God," she said.

Stefanson, who testified during the trial, denied ever laying a hand on any of the women he was with.

His defense attorney Theodore Berry tried to say that the women were lying on the stand and were not reliable witnesses, because they all were methamphetamine addicts.

"I am disappointed," Berry said of the verdict. "I found Mr. Stefanson to be a very cooperative and honest client."

Berry said he might ask for a mistrial based on information he said he learned about jury members speculating about Stefanson's father.

It has been reported that Stefanson's father was the president of the Hells Angels motorcycle club's Oakland chapter.

Berry said he could not confirm the speculation.

"Some more research needs to be done," he said.

another thought:

August is near harvest time, so any guesses as to what is being flown into Ellsworth AFB (formerly known as Rapid City Army Base)
right about the time that all those drug distributors are in town?

You really need watch you are saying about the Hells Angels. There are people on here that might know a Hells Angel or be one. You have no proof in what you are saying. I would research and recheck my fact and check with legal before saying anything.

your sighting criminal behavor of individuals that are part of a group...look its no mystery that biker gangs,or clubs are into illegal things but you want to know why they dont get arrested,,,simple they keep to their own,,they dont kill citizens because its bad for bussinness besides the rare beating they throw someone for being out of line they keep to themselves doing bussinness in the backrow shadows..if someone is delt with its because they are part of their world....for one thing you have to get permission from president of your chapter to do something to someone,,becuae of the attention it might draw on the club...

now do some of these guys live dirty well yea they are bikers and 1%s but they are also lawers,bussinees men and give lots of money to charities is it buy off money yea but does that starving kid care who buys the turkey for christmass??? if most of what you said ws true,these guys wouldnt be getting arrested and serving life because they would fear them turning ratt,,they would kill them in a accident to shut them up and living that lifestyle it would be easy to kill them,and blame it on drunk driving,drug over dose,rival gang,,a methlab blowing up i mean anything but giving them life in jail with nothing but time to write a book and spill the beans..

here is another article on this Oakland Hells Angels case. The guy had a torture chamber
in his basement and police found the blood of two other victims there:

"Police then received a search warrant for Stefanson’s home. They were looking for evidence that Lamb was indeed beaten inside his home, since there was no evidence she had ever been in the car, as Stefanson claimed. But what they found was far more distrurbing than just evidence of a beating.
Stefanson HomeWhen they went down the steps to the basement, they discovered a site that one homicide investigator said was “frightening even to us.”
The basement of the house had seemingly been converted into a torture chamber, akin to the one seen in the “Silence of the Lambs movie“, where a serial killer kidnaps and starves his female victims in the basement before killing them. Police also found traces of blood from Leslie Lamb and two other victims in the basement, leading them to believe there were at least two other potential victims.

http://www.crimesceneblog.com/?p=349

yea i read it,but that blood could have come from anyone,someone in the drug bussiness that tried to ripe them off a ratt,,they also said he was growing pot all of that stuff they are talking about to soundproof could have been used to try to hid the heat signature of the room..

im just saying your talking about criminals doing criminal things and making it out to be a huge govermental ring...like i said if the cia was calling the shots why would they let these people live.with their life style it would be to easy to make them just dissapear,,,,your talking about the president of a club they are damn near untouchable,,,they dont have to leave the house to make money they dont have to life a finger to make someone dissapear they have army of people under them...cia couldnt leave someone calling all their shots with all their dirt just hanging in the wind.either he wouldnt go to prison or he would end up dead,,,all they would have to do is show up and say he is activley helping in a on going investagation and the arrest would dissapear..and so would the man if that was their choice,,,your evidence and the outcome do not make sence.

I have no doubt that the CIA has routinely protected Hells Angels for decades, but the fact is that it must be getting more difficult
for them to do that because of growing public awareness of who these people really are and what is going on.

Rapid City Air Force Base would be a perfect strategic drop point for narcotics cargo and distribution to the Hells Angels because of its location at the geographic center of N.A.:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&tab=vl

The Hells Angels were created and funded by the CIA, but
did not see most of their growth until the 1960's, when the CIA even created a whole slew of cheap Hells Angels biker flicks at Spahn ranch to publicize
the lifestyle and began actively subsidizing military personnel to acquire Harleys.

These people who are outraged at saying the truth, (that the CIA's secret overseas mercenary soldiers, assassins, and 'specialists' were recruited to distribute the drugs via the HA), need to relax and face the facts.
There are a whole lot of ugly secrets about warfare that never get told in a John Wayne movie or a Tom Hanks movie.

There are a whole lot of ugly secrets about the CIA and the underworld that never make it onto 60 Minutes.

The Hells Angels name dates back at least to WWI, if not earlier. . Howard Hughes made the most expensive motion picture in history about them in 1930:


Hells Angels was a name long favored by mercenary soldiers, which means that there were defacto 'hells angels' operating in every major war
since who knows when. Mercenaries tend to be tasked with the dirtiest, most dangerous, most secretive, illegal, and repulsive assignments,
which is why many of them end up in crime syndicates later in life.

Interestingly, Spahn Ranch is the same 'abandoned movie set' that the CIA hippy cult The Manson Family holed up in for awhile .
No coincidence.

check out this huge annual biker
event in Arkansas

The Pig Trail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxCIKNPb67o

The CIA imports most of the illegal narcotics into America, and the government fights wars over control of the global drug trade.
The Hells Angels are their distribution conduit, so that there can be
orderly control of which drugs go where.

The CIA finances a lot of its secret activities in this way, but they may also
use the drugs strategically, as a means of compromising, addicting, controlling, and impoverishing their enemies/subjects/conquests.


Its a strategy that has been used by the globalist elite for centuries, from plying the natives with alcohol, to forcing opium on the Chinese. Its all about busting down every barrier of defense that a 'closed' society may have, be it social, religious, traditional, racial, even
sexual. The goal is total access, total power, and total domination, and they will weaken , sicken, poison, demoralize, and debase people to any extent necessary to achieve that

LMFAO! Man whee o you guys get this stuff?

Is this a conspiracy theory thread? Or one on the Pickton farm murders? , which happened in the next city over from me. I know people who live on newly developed Pickton farm land. I knew people who partied at Peggy's palace. I also know people who have insider information on what Willie likely killed those women for. You may be partly right, but you're wrong, too.

Also, The Hells Angels Movie you are referring to is based on a fighter plane named thus. That was probably where the name for the bikers' group originated from.

Personally, I wouldn't spend too much time trying to link the HA with Willie Pickton. He's sunk. He's doing time and the HA probably don't give two figs.

You did not even read the whole thread. The Hells Angels were originally a WWII bombing squadron club, which rode military-issue Harleys and wore leather flight jackets around bases and continued the tradition after the war.
The received their first crew assignment in August 1942 at Rapid City, and the Hells Angels still to this day commemorate that date by returning en masse to Rapid City, South Dakota , every August.

That squadron named themselves Hells Angels because it was a popular term for mercenary soldiers. The movie 'Hells Angels' in 1930 used the same term for its title, about mercenary
daredevil soldiers from WWI, but the term probably predates even WWI.

I don't have to 'try' to link the HA with the Pickton brothers. Dave Pickton blared around town on a Harley, hosted
large Hells Angels parties at his party barn Piggy's Palace (not Peggy's Palace), and regularly made the trek to
Rapid City, South Dakota for the annual Hells Angels rally.

What am I wrong about? I personally doubt that Willie Pickton even killed all of those women alone.
What is this insider information on what Pickton likely killed the women for?

You may be wrong about what these women were killed for. Snuff films overseas. Not to silence anyone. The majority of these women were addicts, so they wouldn't have anything to gain by ratting people out; their source would then dry up. Also, if that many women knew about the drug operation, then it wasn't a secret.

I did read the whole thread. Must have missed it.

Here, where I live, being a HA isn't really a big deal. I mean, you don't go out of your way to befriend one, but you do acknowledge that you probably know half a dozen in your community. Like I said, I knew people who partied at Peggy's Palace. It wasn't an exclusive club. It was private, but not exclusive.

I agree with you though, Willie Pickton doesn't seem smart enough to off all those women on his own. Then again, we shouldn't underestimate him. Its likely he had an accomplice, but the public hasn't been informed of one.

I agree with you, there was something more to it. Robert Pickton's brother Dave Pickton was a Hells Angel and owned
a professional film editing studio, and check this information on Canadian-produced torture porn:

Check out these odd things I found out about how similar the Paul Bernardo and James Medley cases
were. The Bernardo crimes took place in Toronto, and the Medley crimes took place in Montreal.
In both cases the girls were lured into being abducted by another young girl helping
entrap them. Karla Homolka helped Bernardo lure girls to their car, and Christina Sherry helped Medley
lure girls to their apartment. In both cases the victims were confined and tortured.
In both cases videotapes were seized by police. Both James Medley and Paul Bernardo
had ties to masonic police organizations. Both are said to have been paid police
informants.
http://mindytran.human-rights.org/rcmp_san...ned_killers.htm
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/paulbernardo.html

And finally, the eerie set of pics taken at Club Fed (the soft federal women's prison that they sent Homolka to became known as Club Fed) ,
where Homolka and Sherry were actually close friends , which makes me wonder if they knew eachother before
prison. Given all the other odd similarities between the two cases, it's not too
far a stretch. Montreal, Toronto, and Ottawa are all part of the 'Golden Triangle' of narcotics and
prostitution in central Canada:




Christina , and Karla Homolka entertain other inmates by modelling black dresses.
Sherry, left, lured girls to a Montreal apartment where they were sexually assaulted by James Medley



Christina Sherry, left, an unidentified inmate [this is Lynda Verronneau, who had a lesbian relationship with Homolka] and Karla Homolka, who cuddles a cat, are housed in Joliette prison, which was described by an inmate as "pretty much easygoing."g."

The Ottawa Citizen,Sunday, October 27, 1996

Montreal Pimp Charged in Sex Slave Bust
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Southam Newspapers

MONTREAL -- James Medley, 38, Chris Sherri, and Tracy Gonzalez ( both teens)
were arrested Friday after what Montreal police describe as
one of the worst cases of sexual torture they
have seen.

Authories siezed weapons, handcuffs, chains, and
other undisclosed devices used on the girls. Videotapes
were also siezed.

So far, three girls between the ages of 15 and 16 have been
found. They were sexually tortured at knifepoint.
The victims were lured by telephone calls made to
youth centres.

The suspects so far face 28 charges on forcible confinement,
on sexual assault, on assault with a weapon, on uttering death threats, on
procuring persons for prostitution, and possession of crack cocaine.
Some of the charges date back to 1991.
-----------------

The Ottawa Citizen Sunday, November 16, 1997
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LIFE BEYOND A LIVING HELL

by Katherine Wilton
Monique Beaduin

The Montreal Gazette
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tortured, prostituted,
four young women
fight their demon
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For months they lived with a secret.
They lived in terror. If they spoke
out, enterprising torture pimp James
Medley would have them again.

During three weeks in COURT-ROOM 308,
MONTREAL, four tortured young women
broke free, by doing something that
police and youth-protection officials
had been unable to do. They put slave
owner James Medley behind bars.

They walked into the witness box,care-
ful to avoid Mr.Medley's eyes. Staring
from his seat,he then smirked,laughing
at described captivity, anal degradat-
ion, and methodic sexual torture, told
in detail. Judge Gerard Girouard. "The
women's testimony is consistent,clear,
and truthful".

In speaking out, these broken, scared
people discovered strength they, and
their community,did not know they posessed,
their families "hopeful to put this revolting horror to an end".

"She's more stable now, said a mother
of her daughter confined in the clos-
et of Medley's apartment for 16 days.
"I'm very proud she testified."

The parents and community see them as
heroes, brave enough to stand up, but
the four girls are now nameless. Prot
ection for them and their families,as
the gangs are still organized and res
ourceful.

All were under the care of the youth-
protection system, entering teen wel-
fare rolls from differing backgrounds
but with one thing in common - they
were all in trouble.

The daughters came from middle-class,
working-class, and even professional-
class families in Montreal, the West-
Island and South-Shore suburbs. These
were chronic runaways, defying their
parents, using drugs, stealing credit
cards and shoplifting. They had been
drawn into the street-life of school
gangs.

Once the girls were in the system, the
teens formed peer-groups together, rebelling
against the rules in the youth-
protection centres they lived in, and
often ran away. The running led them
back to James Medley and his sub-cult-
ure of drugs, easy money, and sadism.

Although they suffered horrific abuse,
all the girls were terrified to turn
to police or community for help. They
knew Medley was in payment from Mont-
real police as an informer.
--
One woman's father says she was ready
to go to court the very night a police
officer discovered her hog-tied in J.-
Medley's closet, bruised and begging
for help-even if that meant taking him
on by herself. But after other torture
victims heard of her, they broke their
silence and went to police. They con-
sidered themselves lucky to be alive.

Another girl, concerned about how ex-
plosively her family would react if it
knew what Mr. Medley had done to her,
asked them to stay away from the court
-room while she testified.

okay, lets see.........

here we have another couple , husband and wife, Winnipeg, who lured teen girls and raped them:
(btw, threatened to have them killed by Hells Angels friends if they talked)
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

then of course there are pornographer entrepreneurs Bernardo and Medley who both did the same thing,
and oh, Medley seems to be connected to the whole Hells Angels scene in Montreal,
and yeah, Dave Pickton was a Hells Angel who owned a professional film editing studio

and yeah, the Hells Angels own every strip joint in Vancouver, and brothels in Nevada......

hmmmmmm

you act like no other motor cycle club are running girls,i mean hell almost every organized group that makes money off of crime,use the big 4 drugs,women,guns and extortion..that how they all make their money,rom the triads,italian mob hell even the smaller unorganized gangs from state to state.

and as far as the girls dieing the same way well,,if you got a man in your orgnazation and thats the role he plays,,getting ride of loose ends,you dont use a local guy you use someone from somewhere else,,he rides in does his job and rides out,,,they all work like this man,soo if the deaths are similar it might be because they called in the special man,,,or it could be they were sending a message by the way they were killed..

HA's own all kind of things,legal and illegal they also strong arm lots of bussinesses just like everyother club,,just part of the life they lead,,,i dont understand this thread it went from high end goverment ties where the angels have immunity to do what they want to angels getting arrested and you showing links to murders and prostitiution,,,well yea thats what they do but your proof of them getting arrested shows they dont have immunity,,their just like anyother organized crime group,,,their organized so its harder to get arrest that stick...

There are a lot of naughty biker gangs in the PNW... if I'm not mistaken, the HA's aren't super active in BC.... BUT, not too long ago, there was a big bust in BC and WA which rounded up a lot of Banditos in the area who were running drugs and girls. The pub near my house is a biker pub and it caters to Harley owners. They have a distinct sign on the door that says "No colors" or basically meaning no Bandito red (no supporting reverse colors of gold/red either)... When a friend and I go out riding on his Harley, we're careful not to wear red because of the Bandito problems here. HA's, never really run across them in BC or WA, but other gangs yes. As far as I know, Banditos have no connection to the HA's... and in fact are the biggest rival gang to Banditos I believe, but they seem somewhat unchallened here.

My uncle was a former HA in the '70's in WA... from what I gather, it was a small group even back then.

no HA'S are the largest biker club..as a matter of fact HAMC stand for Hells Angels Motorcycle Corporation not club..
chapter 81 shoes are owned by the ha.s so are tattoo magazine savage,easy rider and a couple others,,they have tons of legit bussiness to hide all the illegal money they have coming in.

they are world wide and bandidtos are one of their biggest competition.

usually when a bar say no colors they dont realy mean colors but the patch on the back of their jacket are referd to as your colors,,,,your patch with the rockers,,the banners over the top and bottom cliaming who you represent..

I have never claimed that they have complete immunity, but they do have an incredible amount of power and wealth with which to evade the law. Of course there are going to be
exceptions. Of course there are going to be mistakes made, and 'leaks' and 'deals' made. No set-up is 100% fail safe. So, yes , a tiny fraction of their activity is foiled and punished.
That does not change the fact that they have connections in high places, namely the CIA and the Skull n' Bones, etc.

You are mistaken. The Hells Angels are huge in B.C.:



http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/special...fc-b48eb22a2983

B.C.'s Hells Angels: RICH AND POWERFUL

Canada is a haven for the outlaw motorcycle gang, with more members per capita than any other country.
B.C's Angels have mounted an effective public-relations campaign that portrays them as harmless motorcycle enthusiasts, but they maintain a fearsome reputation in the criminal underworld.

Lori Culbert and Neal Hall, Judith Lavoie, Vancouver Sun
Published: Friday, June 10, 2005

The rich and powerful Hells Angels motorcycle club in B.C. -- whose members largely eluded criminal charges and flew below society's radar screen for two decades -- are now expanding across the province, bolstering their multi-million-dollar business network and cementing their territorial stake on organized crime.

The expansion is partly because they are protecting their turf from the Bandidos. A rival U.S. outlaw motorcycle gang with deep roots in neighbouring Washington state, the Bandidos have moved into Alberta and are threatening to set up shop in B.C.

Last January a Bandidos member was fatally shot outside a strip club in Edmonton, where the Texas-based motorcycle gang has established a probationary chapter.

But the Hells Angels expansion is also a savvy business move by a successful and powerful organization with a legendary reputation that is growing internationally.

Eight years ago, there were 70 so-called full-patch members and five chapters in B.C. Today, there are 95 members spread across seven chapters: Vancouver, East End, Haney, White Rock, Mission, the Nomads and Nanaimo.

There are also plans for a new Kelowna chapter and there's talk of another chapter in Surrey, where a so-called shadow support club was established months ago.

The Renegades, an outlaw motorcycle group in Prince George that has about a dozen members, is a Hells Angels puppet club.

The Hells Angels, a predominantly white organization, has roughly 2,000 members worldwide, with chapters in Canada, the U.S., Europe, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and South America.

Canada has more Hells Angels members per capita than any other country, including the U.S., where there are chapters in about 20 states.

At the same time as B.C.'s Hells Angels became some of the wealthiest bikers in the country, they've used a public relations campaign to establish an image as a harmless club of motorcycle enthusiasts.

Sure, a few members have criminal records, the club maintains, but any large organization has people who have run-ins with the law. That doesn't make them a criminal organization, the Hells Angels say.

But in the criminal underworld, the Hells Angels have a fearsome reputation.

The trial last year of contract killer Mickie (Phil) Smith heard evidence that one of Smith's five murder victims was Paul Percy Soluk, 33, who had ripped off Hells Angels marijuana-growing operations. Smith said he was told by an Asian gangster named Brian, who arranged the murder, that it was being done for the East End chapter of the Hells Angels.

Police never found the body of Soluk, who was killed in 1999. Smith, a 56-year-old former life-insurance salesman, confessed to an undercover officer posing as a crime boss that Soluk was located in a Surrey crack house and taken to a garage in Surrey, where he was shot.

Smith said a man he called Yurik helped chop up the body and dispose of it.

"He's not an Angel but he works with the Angels," Smith said of Yurik. "I know he's done lots of hits."

Police said the Smith case underscores how Hells Angels distance themselves from crimes that could put them behind bars for life, instead contracting out to other gangsters -- a marriage of convenience, of sorts.

So far, Hells Angels in B.C. have avoided the kind of violent and bloody public turf war that erupted on Montreal streets with the rival Rock Machine biker gang, which sparked the political will and funding to target the bikers and prosecute them on charges of murder, extortion, drug trafficking and making money from prostitution.

Here in B.C., the Hells Angels have operated largely unopposed by rival biker gangs, allowing them to consolidate operations.

"They are disciplined and well led," said RCMP Insp. Bob Paulson, who is in charge of major investigations involving outlaw motorcycle gangs.

Although the Angels have a reputation for violence and retaliation, for the most part B.C. has not seen the deaths of innocent victims caught in the crossfire, unlike Montreal, where the death of a young boy outraged the public, who pressured politicians to take action.

"Arguably there are a number of murders attributed to the HA in B.C., but they're all kind of within their element . . . there was no spillover," Paulson said.

But even without the kind of street warfare that erupted in Quebec, having the Hells Angels spread across B.C. is expected to create spinoff effects from increased underworld activity, including rising insurance rates to cover damage caused by marijuana-growing operations in houses.

The huge profits reaped from the drug trade, police say, have been used by Hells Angels to establish legitimate businesses ranging from trucking firms and retail cellular-phone outlets to travel agencies, coffee bars and hip clothing stores.

Members of the public generally do not know they are frequenting businesses owned by Hells Angels members, since police chose for years not to publicize that information.

And many Hells Angels use nominees -- trusted associates who register companies in their names -- to hide business assets, police say.

Vancouver police chief Jamie Graham vowed to "shine the light" on Hells Angels activity when he took over as chair last August of the national strategy to combat outlaw motorcycle gangs for the Canadian Association of Chief of Police.

The public is also affected by the hundreds of Hells Angels "associates" -- a network of friends of club members who have been known to infiltrate the country's ports, phone companies, the post office and other government offices where private information can be obtained about citizens who run afoul of the Angels.

"The ports is an example where they use their associates to facilitate criminal activity," said Inspector Andy Richards, in charge of the outlaw motorcycle gang unit within the Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit, the successor to the Organized Crime Agency of B.C.

"The telephone company, or Shaw Cable or ICBC, that's an example where they've just got this wide-range of contacts ... where they can just make a phone call and get something done, if they need to, for example, run a licence plate," Richards said.

Hells Angels members also have used the collective muscle of the organization to push aside competitors in certain business ventures, he said.

There used to be six or seven agencies that handled strippers in Vancouver, but now two are controlled by the Angels or associates and one is an independent, Richards said.

In the early 1990s, Richards said, the now-dead Hells Angels member Donald Roming was one of the key enforcers helping push others out of the stripper business -- at one point seriously assaulting one of the owners of another agency.

"Without speaking ill of the dead, he was responsible for laying a very serious beating on a 67-year-old man who was involved with one of the independent companies at the time, to the point this guy was hospitalized," he explained.

There were no arrests from these "takeovers" because of the victims' reluctance to report the activities to police, he added.

Over the years, Richards has seen two levels of Hells Angels develop: "You're seeing the original old-timers, some of whom are 9-to-5ers who have legitimate jobs driving a truck."

A lot of the old guys are in it for camaraderie and brotherhood, he said, but most of the younger guys are in it for the money, the power and the respect that the Hells-Angels patch commands. "The younger guys see it as a real entrepreneurial activity to get into the club, to have that protective layer around you, to make money," Richards said.

But not all the old-timers are members just for the camaraderie. Some are masters of setting up shell companies to manipulate the stock market in what are called "pump and dump" schemes -- buying shares to drive up price, then selling before the price begins dropping, police say.

The Hells Angels have also been allowed to grow and prosper in B.C. since members of Vancouver's Satan's Angels motorcycle gang originally became Hells Angels in a "patch over" in 1983. For years, there were very few successful prosecutions against full-patch members.

Paulson points to the East End chapter, a wily bunch of individuals who successfully have eluded convictions, despite a number of charges that ended up in stays or acquittals.

"They've long been held up to be the seminal chapter, not just in B.C. but in Canada," he said. "They're wealthy, they're influential and they're successful at avoiding us."

Only in the last decade has B.C.'s patchwork-quilt of municipal and RCMP police forces reorganized their attack on the Hells Angels. They now point to a dozen or so recent successful prosecutions to show police are finally making inroads.

The RCMP for the second-straight year has identified five priority organized-crime groups to target. Outlaw motorcycle gangs -- essentially the Hells Angels and its puppet clubs -- are in the No. 1 spot for the second time.

The Mounties in B.C. have also developed a list of the top-20 organized-crime figures in B.C. and nearly half are Hells Angels members.

"Prosecutions are tough," Vancouver police Chief Jamie Graham said in an interview. But he pointed out: "We're working smarter than we ever have before."

Some officers feel their superiors blew two rare chances in the past decade to turn insiders into informants and bust some top-level Hells Angels and other high-echelon gangsters.

One of the most shocking examples of how police dropped the ball was the Western Wind debacle, detailed in the recent book The Road to Hell: How the Biker Gangs are Conquering Canada. Written by Julian Sher and William Marsden, the book explains how the RCMP in B.C. had a chance to nail drug-dealers for $330 million worth of cocaine when a Vancouver Island fisherman offered to help the Mounties intercept a drug shipment between Colombians and the Hells Angels aboard the vessel Western Wind, which was headed for Victoria.

The fisherman wanted to be paid $1 million and be placed in witness protection, but the RCMP declined the offer; U.S. authorities intercepted the boat loaded with more than two tonnes of cocaine, but no one was ever charged, says the book, which contains sharp criticism of the RCMP's handling of the botched case.

One of those who worked on the Western Wind file was former RCMP officer Pat Convey, now an inspector with the Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit. Convey was among those critical in the book of the handling of the case. "It happened and I'm not going to go into it again," he said in an interview. "Yes, I got my knuckles rapped [for speaking out in the book]. I'm not in the RCMP any more."

Could the same problem arise again? "We're human beings and human beings make mistakes," replied Convey. "I think it's unlikely it would happen again."

Meanwhile, the prospect of a fifth-anniversary party for the Angels' Mission chapter appeared to raise little interest in the Fraser Valley town on Friday. Staff-Sgt. Jack Robinson of the Mission RCMP detachment said extra members will be on duty over the weekend to keep an eye on the party.

He said previous anniversary parties at the clubhouse had been without incident.

That's not many members.

Technically, it's believed the Banditos have MORE members... 2,400 with 195 chapters and rapidly growing.

You also have to wonder why the Sun, a conservative government oriented news paper is exposing the HA conspiracy... shouldn't they technically be IN on the conspiracy? LOL.

I think that part of the article is either a typo or just ridiculously inaccurate. The Sturgis/Rapid City biker rally gets 500,000 bikers a year, and
a percentage of those are Hells Angels. Remember the event is honoring the origin of the Hells Angels in Rapid City, so this article must be WAY off.
(The Hells Angels have clubhouses in Canada, U.S., England, France, Germany, Australia, etc. etc., so that 2000 figure is a farce)
My guess is it should have read '2000 clubhouses worldwide.

Good point, I too think papers like the Sun are controlled by the 'powers that be', but don't forget this is one of the very few articles to squeak through,
its three years old, and who knows what pressure was later exerted on them as punishment for publishing it? Don't hold your breath for a BOOK
exposing all this though, I doubt it would be published.

Right, I've been to Sturgis and most of my Harley riding friends have too... we take our 40K motorhomes with our 30K bikes behind them on trailers just like the other 495,000 people there. LOL. Sturgis ralley is FULL of middle aged, rich, professionals who like to play dress up for a week every year and putt around on their bikes pretending to be something other than a 3 piece suit wearin' accountant or doctor or airline pilot. I can pretty much assure you that none of my friends are HA.

Here's some photos I took of a ralley in WA State (25,000 harley owners that day)... I can assure you that no one in the group picture is HA... they're airline pilots, one is a public defender, another a software engineer, the one on the sport bike is a plummer. The other picture is of ME and my friend. The patch on his jacket is a HOG patch... Harely Owners Group... they basically arrange fun events like the one we were at.

I'm not saying that HA's don't exist... of course they do... they even have their hand in criminal activities, but there's not conspiracy that I know of. My uncle who was in the HA's in the early 70's doesn't think so either.

Although... just moments ago, this broke in the Seattle News... An international drug bust of HA's in both WA and BC today:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/16527536/detail.html

It was an international sting operation with the FBI and RCMP... they busted two of the ringleaders. Now, if the government is in support of the HA's... why are they busting them and attempting to put them in jail forever?

This sounds a lot like the bust that went down in 2006 with the Banditos. Although that bust netted 16 arrests and 14 sentences.

Just law enforcement trying to keep the borders clean... no conspiracy...

So? Read what I posted . I said 500,000 bikers attend the Sturgis/Rapid City rally, and a percentage of them are Hells Angels . If even a tiny % are HA,
that easily exceeds 2000 members.




How many times will I have to answer the same question? There is no central office with a grey door labeled 'the government' , with one guy controlling everything.
The 'government' is actually a many-headed, compartmentalized entity, with many competing interests and factions. The CIA operates largely outside and above
the normal 'checks and balances' of any other governmental agency. They operate under the cloak of 'national security' and government secrecy. The fact is, they
CONTROL the government. George Bush Sr. was head of the CIA before becoming president. The CIA has far more power than the FBI.

Does that mean that they would totally dominate the FBI , or would they not allow the occasional small bust of the Hells Angels to occur 'just for appearances'.

Interesting timing, too. They choose to lower the hammer on a three year investigation just at the time when the Hells Angels
are being exposed as never before.

btw, this tiny bust represents a drop in the bucket, a tiny fraction of the Hells Angels drug traffic.

LOL... you slay me dude.... really. You should write screen plays you'd probably be really good at it.

you know, the whole "LOL, let's pretend we can deny reality" schtick is getting real stale.

I should be making documentaries, not writing screenplays.

I happen to be friends with several HA's and they are all nice guys.

In actuality most mmembers outside their colors do not fit the biker stereotype... Many members are doctors, lawyers, businessmen. This being said I know for a fact the organization is heavy into the drug trade, arms dealing and so on.

In regards to Picton and knowing the area in which he lived and the people he and his bro were associated with I believe that on some level these murders were connected to organized crime. Can't prove this of course and I do not believe the Hells Angels were involved here.

You should be posting in the conspiracy part of the forums, not the true crime.