I am a Protestant christian. My father is a recent Catholic convert. He has told me there is evidence for the bread and wine being transformed into the real body and blood of Jesus during Communion (Eucharist) services. I am curious to know if anyone here has experienced, or can provide further information on this "transformation" miracle.

I am here for help... not to discuss the validity of the claim.

It could very well be true. Personally I find that kind of grotesque and cannibalistic. Even the whole symbolism of the Eucharist symbolizes that and it is not biblical in that we were told to do such as believers so I do not advocate it. Those who practice it though have every right to do as they wish. I have read about many Catholic miracles and people walk away feeling a great sense of peace and find divinity within those miracles. That is truly great for them. Again, personally, I feel there might be other forces at work behind some of the miracles but that is just my view and I would not try and use it to tell those who believe in such miracles they are wrong or anything cause I do not think they have any wrong intentions in believing and that is all that matters.

God is certainly capable of the transmutation of matter. I have personally witnessed that in my life. However not drinking alcoholic wine, or ever taking a eucharist i cant comment on the particular validity of such experiences. I would say given gods powers that if he willed it, for a particular person, or purpose, then it would actually be so.

Anecdotal evidence would suggest that like many miracles, this is a rare and special event, which would not happen to many people but would be instantly recognisable to the participants if it did occur. I appreciate that others would argue that such religious experiences are invariably delusional and "Unreal" in objective terms, and that people may experience what appears real, but is not.

That may be true in some cases, and yet not true in others. One truth does not exclude the other.

Have either of you (or anyone else) seen or heard of the "elements" turning into beating hearts, etc... I am very interested to hear about and read about these events if indeed they happened.

It is not the claim of the Roman Catholic Church that the "outward appearances" of the bread or wine change in any whatsoever during the "transubstantiation" of the eucharist.

What the RCC teaches is that the "real presence" of Jesus the Christ is in the bread and wine, and that the "substance" of the bread and wine (as opposed to their "outward appearances") literally are the body and blood, respectively, of the glorified, resurrected body of Jesus.

This contrasts with some other Christian views that the bread and wine symbolize Jesus, or that the communion ritual as a whole commemorates the last supper, and so the death, of Jesus.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church on point:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/arch...sm/p2s2c1a3.htm

see especially 1373-1381

Hope that helps.

There is no reason to believe that the communion is a Christian ritual. It originated long before Christianity and was adopted much later by the church.

Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, 'Take, eat; this is my body.' And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, 'Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.'" (Mt. 26:26-28)



The New Testament accounts describe the Holy Eucharist as Jesus gave it to us. The term "bread from heaven" becomes fully clear only when we reach the Revelation to John. The Gospels Christ said at Capernaum. Jn 6:51 "I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is My Flesh."

No i havent, except perhaps incidentally. Like most humans, i find this hard to believe, and am tempted to ask just how much of the wine had been consumed at this point.

However, i wont do that because it is the same attitude many display to my own experiences.
No one really knows which experiences of others are true, and which are not.

Again, i know that this is physically possible, but i cant understand why it would occur, or what god's purpose would be in doing it. It is outside of my personal experience, and thus outside of my full comprehension.

I am very well of that passage in the Bible. It is not a direction for us to emulate that though. No where does it say to replicate that.

Recently I found some "events" on youtube videos that claim to have recorded the miracle of the "host" becoming blood and flesh...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kK4hfPfvolE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JDp3nPQqL_o&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cAHvdJX1GIg&feature=related

Ther are more, but these are interesting by themsleves...

About the idea that the bread and wine aren't flesh and blood until consumed, why then would the "elements" become flesh and blood before they are consumed?
Also, immediately following the verses that wired wrote, Jesus says He will not drink "of the fruit of the vine" again until He drinks it again with us all together... if it is His actual body and blood then why does He call it fruit of the vine?
Lastly, I looked into the orginal greek terms used in this writing, and the terms do not speak of flesh and blood, but of the way the two are offered:
blood being spilled in sacrifice (not the word for physical blood), and body not in flesh, but in it's purpose...in this case, for new life.

Jus some things I've been up to...

How about "For Christ took the bread
and the chalice and gave thanks; he broke the bread and gave it to his disciples, saying,
‘Take, eat, and drink: this is my Body; this is the cup of my Blood. do this in memory of me"


fullywired

Yopu might want to Google Eucharistic Miracles.There is one in I think Italy,where the host was examend by scientists,and it hard affinities for human
tissue.It's still early,and I'm not fully awake at work here.

God can do whatever He wants to. These eucharistic miracles are very rare.They don't happen even day.
As catholics we believe through transubstination,the bread and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ.

Some may want to eat cookies or bread made by men. Others prefer the living bread.



Following Christ is what it means to eat and drink of Him. This comes more into focus when comparing it to the woman at the well and the living waters He told her about.



There is still another view one that compares a division of a church and factions but only one is genuine. But for those who come in division and faction they are not eating and drinking the true Lord's spper. For one to do such they have to come together in one accord.



If the eating of the Lord's supper was only about what men made then it would be easy to do so even if the church was in division. True doctrine will lead to the true supper.



Eating regular bread and drinking wine is not the real Lord's Supper.



The real breaking of the bread was the Crucifixion which was the breaking of His body. How should we do this daily?



This is done by carrying our own cross which means to follow Him.





How do we examine ourselves to prepare our own relationship with God by living in the Spirit?

Thanks for your interpretation of the bible ,but remember it is only your interpretation


fullywired

You are welcome.