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JET SAVAGE
To cut the story short... http://www.liveleak.com/e/580_1210628568



Did you hear the joke of how people were told repeatedly that the lethargy they suffer from, the constant day stress sickness, the extending lists of flu related deaths denied by doctors, THE CONSTANT GOVERNMENT LIES on chem trails the lines in the skies for over 20 years now.... was about the so called secret world government killing us off.. ha ha ha. Sure people must have lowered their heads for ages to avoid the sky and admitting that their government does not love them any more....Eventually, anybody with a beating heart will want to know [i][b]why they are slowly being poisoned by bio chemical compounds by their support system government...

Nooo, anybody here think chem trails is hoax????

I bet there are...


For the informed, there is a new development in the patterns. Can anybody tell me why?


http://www.liveleak.com/e/580_1210628568
mrbusdriver
If there were indeed chemicals being sprayed at high altitude, with the intent being for it to fall to the surface, would there not be significant amounts of it all over everything??? Seems it would be easily detected with chemical detection or whatever...
frenat
The idea that someone is spraying something at 30,000+ feet witht hte intent to effect the population is just stupid. Anything sprayed at high altitudes would be impossible to aim as it might take days for any particulates to settle and would dissipate to such a low concentration by the time it does reach the ground that it would be useless. The extra UV experienced both at high altitudes and in the days it would take for anything to settle would also render many chemicals inert.
Obviousman
pity that no-one.. let me repeat that.. NO-ONE has actually bothered to take an airborne sample from a supposed "chemtrail" aircraft, documenting such, providing chain-of-evidence, and then having the samples analysed at two or three different labs.

That would be proof.

Until that time, though....
frenat
QUOTE (Obviousman @ May 17 2008, 09:00 PM) *
pity that no-one.. let me repeat that.. NO-ONE has actually bothered to take an airborne sample from a supposed "chemtrail" aircraft, documenting such, providing chain-of-evidence, and then having the samples analysed at two or three different labs.

That would be proof.

Until that time, though....

Of course not. Then they would have to make up more excuses for why they don't find what they want to find. Why go to all that effort when you can handwave without leaving the ground?
MID
QUOTE (JET SAVAGE @ May 17 2008, 05:54 PM) *
Nooo, anybody here think chem trails is hoax????

I bet there are...



Yes, there are...


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For the informed, there is a new development in the patterns. Can anybody tell me why?


http://www.liveleak.com/e/580_1210628568



Yes.

For the informed, that is not a new development in cloud patterns.
It's a rather unusual one, not too often seen.

Looks alot like well developed billow clouds, many times formed in long parallel bands (as seen in the video) created by marked vertical shear and weak thermal stratification. A sure sign to stay away from them, because there's alot of turbulence down there among 'em.

Being over the island border, it could be Altocumulus or Stratocumulus Undulatus...gravity wave cloud patterns that also often form uniform parallel ridges as seen in this video...

No chemtrails, just one of the markedly beautiful and unusual cloud patterns that form in certain conditions all over the world.



mrbusdriver
"Mountain waves"...yup, plenty bumpy down there...
Zaus
Con-trail/Chem-trail's are the extra particles used by electromagnetic stations on the earth to launch massive attacks on the oblivious world's public, with no enemy to be blamed. Reading the HAARP patent will give you a good idea why someone wanting to distort the weather would go to such lengths, and such altitude's...

Mother nature is the weapon, stations such as HAARP in alaska and GWEN also, among many, many, many others are being used in conjunction to start up the NWO Elites new game plan.

Global Warming...

Give up your rights, because YOU caused horrible irreparable damage to the atmosphere by driving your car and using aerosol cans incorrectly...

And "mother nature" is pissed...

Worst tsunami in 100 years?
Worst hurricane in 100 years?
Worst flood in 100 years?

More people are being killed by these "natural disaster weapons" than ever before.

...As they bank the money from shooting the gas prices past 120% more in seven years(gas prices in 2001 = 1.70+) and wage war...

We are ****ed until people pull their heads out of their asses and realize what these b******* are doing.

In the event of another 9/11 on US soil EVERYONE will be put into concentration camps, and who will say anyone will be treated fairly?

As if!

Evil does exist, Evil does wage war on the spirit, the soul, the body, and anything else it can corrupt and turn to its uses.

Ignorance is the greatest ally of the illusion created by the Elite.

For instance, if there were no weather control stations capable of drastically changing the courses of warm/cold fronts for militaristic gain...

WHY DOES THE U.N. HAVE LAWS PROHIBITING THEM...

Incorrigible1
QUOTE (Zaus @ May 19 2008, 06:36 AM) *
In the event of another 9/11 on US soil EVERYONE will be put into concentration camps, and who will say anyone will be treated fairly?

It might be time to don your tin-foil helmet.
MID
QUOTE (Zaus @ May 19 2008, 07:36 AM) *
Con-trail/Chem-trail's are the extra particles used by electromagnetic stations on the earth to launch massive attacks on the oblivious world's public, with no enemy to be blamed. Reading the HAARP patent will give you a good idea why someone wanting to distort the weather would go to such lengths, and such altitude's...


A tin hat would do you good.
Understanding what HAARP is would lead you to the conclusion that you're ever so slightly mistaken (Hint: HAARP is an ionospheric research project...it has nothing to do with altitudes where weather actually forms. HAARP's research begins 45 miles ABOVE WHERE ANY WEATHER EXISTS...)


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Global Warming...

Give up your rights, because YOU caused horrible irreparable damage to the atmosphere by driving your car and using aerosol cans incorrectly...

And "mother nature" is pissed...

Worst tsunami in 100 years?
Worst hurricane in 100 years?
Worst flood in 100 years?

More people are being killed by these "natural disaster weapons" than ever before.



...As they bank the money from shooting the gas prices past 120% more in seven years(gas prices in 2001 = 1.70+) and wage war...

We are ****ed until people pull their heads out of their asses and realize what these b******* are doing.


It is sometimes so difficult to follow you in these obscure ramblings...

What b******* are doing what?
HAARP--they're doing all this maybe?

"Natural disaster weapons"?
Hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis, floods...are NATURAL PROCESSES, not weapons. Man has NO CONTROL OVER , nor ANY INFLUENCE OVER ANY OF THOSE THINGS. Man just happens to be in the way when they happen sometimes.

Perhaps HAARP is causing these things...by there ionospheric research, which is focused up in LEO space and is absolutely harmless???

And is it them guys and gals...scientists engaged in a really interesting and technical research project..who are "pocketing the money" from the increased gasoline prices we've been seeing?

I wonder why they require any funding at all!? rofl.gif

Anyone who's studied Economics 101 knows full well who the only parties pocketing the money from our increased gasoline prices are: THE PEOPLE WE (and the rest of the oil market) BUY THE OIL FROM. It's not a conspiracy...it has nothing to do with evil oil companies, and the solution is simple.

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In the event of another 9/11 on US soil EVERYONE will be put into concentration camps, and who will say anyone will be treated fairly?


And where does this incomprehensible statement come from (i.e., which piece of United States Law have you not read, and grossly misinterpreted by listening to some youtube diatribe by someone of similar leagl impairment?)???


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Ignorance is the greatest ally of the illusion created by the Elite.


Ignorance is the greatest enemy of humanity.
There's plenty of it herein.
Who in hell are these "elite"?

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For instance, if there were no weather control stations capable of drastically changing the courses of warm/cold fronts for militaristic gain...

WHY DOES THE U.N. HAVE LAWS PROHIBITING THEM...


Please show me a "weather control station" wacko.gif (that would've been a hell of a help back in WWII, I'll tell you!).

Does the U.N. actually have laws prohibiting them?
I wouldn't put it past them, of course.
But really, who cares about the U.N.?


(No force of mankind has the remotest possibility of altering the course of air masses as they move over the surface of this planet...where such an idea comes from is beyond comprehension).
frenat
QUOTE (Zaus @ May 19 2008, 08:36 AM) *
For instance, if there were no weather control stations capable of drastically changing the courses of warm/cold fronts for militaristic gain...

WHY DOES THE U.N. HAVE LAWS PROHIBITING THEM...

If there were, then why are helicopters and UAVs often grounded and major operations postponed or canceled in Iraq and Afghanistan due to weather? If it existed why aren't we using it to help us out?
MID
QUOTE (frenat @ May 19 2008, 06:10 PM) *
If there were, then why are helicopters and UAVs often grounded and major operations postponed or canceled in Iraq and Afghanistan due to weather? If it existed why aren't we using it to help us out?



Nice extension to my thoughts!

(I simply have no more energy to continue with Zaus somethimes...!)


One wonders...weather control stations:

Here's a powerful cold front moving across the central plains last summer, heading northeastward, producing supercells along it's boundary...tornado warnings, heavy rain for an already soaked northeast. 4 inches of rain added to already swollen rivers and creeks...

How come we couldn't just get a "weather control station" to move it south, where they had a drought, and needed some rain in a big way?

Just push that baby south to Atlanta...piece of cake, right? wacko.gif

...Oh, I forgot, the U.N prohibits that...


Zaus
Im not an egotist, or a prophet, or anything other than a person. I am simply aware.

HAARP is a "research project" of stolen Tesla weather control technology.

I realize the very name "tesla" in conjunction with weather control and/or anything else he invented throws up a big red flag for you, so i dont care to waste my time.

In the haarp patent you will find this line...
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The electron cyclotron resonance heating effect can be made to act on electrons anywhere above the surface of the earth. These electrons may be already present in the atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere of the earth, or can be artificially generated by a variety of means such as x-ray beams, charged particle beams, lasers, the plasma sheath surrounding an object such as a missile or meteor, and the like. Further, artificial particles, e.g., electrons, ions, etc., can be injected directly into region R from an earthlaunched rocket or orbiting satellite carrying, for example, a payload of radioactive beta-decay material; alpha emitters; an electron accelerator; and/or ionized gases such as hydrogen


Less "programmed" responses would do well for those who dont know what they are talking about, cant blame them though they were brainwashed and dont know it because they grew up in it and never questioned that it was an absolutely false reality.

Open your minds before it is to late!!!!

“U.N. Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Use of Environmental Modification” went into effect on October 5, 1978.

Laws like that should be a red flag, i mean noone has laws for things that dont exist...

Tesla himself already proved you could do exactly what HAARP is doing through the use of the

FOURTH FORM OF MATTER(remember the 3 kinds of matter liquid, solid, gas?) discovered 100 YEARS AGO called "plasma". High school text books past ten years ago never mentioned plasma as a seperate form of matter(school these days are designed to keep the populace dumb, as a dumb populace is overly confident in knowing "whats going on".), even though it does not behave as any other matter does.


Chem trails are the artificial particles used to help evaporation/condensation when the EM charges pass, thus forming the weather patterns we are seeing today.

Think about this for a moment:

Anyone can plainly see the world is having the worst natural disasters, one after another, then ever seen before. The official story is "global warming" is causing these incredibly powerful natural disasters.

the same people who are telling you this call AN IDIOT our commander and chief, and allow him to wage a seven year war on "terrorism" of which THERE IS NO REAL ENEMY, AND the gas prices(of which our commander and chief profits heavily from) skyrocket twice the price within the same seven years...

then, also within this same seven years FEMA(Federal Emergency Management Agency) builds 600 concentration camps, all around populated areas, some of which can hold up to ONE MILLION PEOPLE(i wish i was making this up... it would be a great sci-fi story), but worst of all...

a bit of history

the vid above explains the lengths FEMA will be allowed to go in the event of a "national emergency" such as another 9/11 or weather disaster(such as katrina)

Couple into all that the fact that you dont believe weather technology is in use, or even exists...

Dont you think this game is a bit old? People have been fooled by their governments for thousands of years, why should this day and age be any different?

The less the people know, the less information they have to go on to make logical conclusions, call me what you will i know where i stand.


supervike
QUOTE (Zaus @ May 19 2008, 06:36 AM) *
More people are being killed by these "natural disaster weapons" than ever before.



Could be that there are more people than ever before.



I have a question about contrails....

Why do some planes seem to have a contrail, and some don't?

I've watched planes fly over on a nice sunny day, from my untrained eye, it appears that these planes are at similar altitudes, and just minutes apart. Yet some will have a long dramatic contrails and the next one by has none.

I'm assuming there is a rational answer, i just don't know it.
The Mule
QUOTE (JET SAVAGE @ May 17 2008, 05:54 PM) *
.....chem trails the lines in the skies for over 20 years now.... was about the so called secret world government killing us off..


20 whole years? .....calculates.....1988??? calculates....tail end of Reagan era.....calculates....15 years AFTER vietnam....calclates @ 40-45 yrs AFTER napalm.....calculates....mustart gas WWI....calculates....Wright Brothers....

My guess is that this whole THEORY of yours is over 20 years old to start with....

Besides, no one is starting a secret world government without including me in the very upper echelons of power. Since I don't know about it, and I know plenty, it ain't happening.
frenat
QUOTE (supervike @ May 20 2008, 04:29 PM) *
Could be that there are more people than ever before.



I have a question about contrails....

Why do some planes seem to have a contrail, and some don't?

I've watched planes fly over on a nice sunny day, from my untrained eye, it appears that these planes are at similar altitudes, and just minutes apart. Yet some will have a long dramatic contrails and the next one by has none.

I'm assuming there is a rational answer, i just don't know it.

There is. First it is nearly impossible to determine the altitude of an aircraft from the ground without some kind of instrumentation. Second, a difference in just a few thousand feet (which would look the same to the eye and by the way planes are only legally required to be separated by 1000 feet vertically) can mean the difference in 10-15+ degrees of temperature and of course there will also be a difference in air pressure and humidity. Also at play are the exact type of engine each plane is using and the power setting they have them at although those have less overall effect.
MID
QUOTE (supervike @ May 20 2008, 03:29 PM) *
Could be that there are more people than ever before.



I have a question about contrails....

Why do some planes seem to have a contrail, and some don't?

I've watched planes fly over on a nice sunny day, from my untrained eye, it appears that these planes are at similar altitudes, and just minutes apart. Yet some will have a long dramatic contrails and the next one by has none.

I'm assuming there is a rational answer, i just don't know it.



Frenat esentially explained it:

Some do, and some don't. The reason is basically the level of humidity at the flight levels.

If it's humid enough, a "connie" forms. If it's too low, the condensation evaporates immediately, thus, no connie.
There are of course in betweens:

You may see connies form and linger for a goodly amount of time, then some may form and quickly evaporate, and you'll even see some that are occurring then suddenly stop, and then start up again down range a bit. This is due to the aircraft passing into various levels of humidity along its route.

Contrails generally form at altitudes above 25,000 feet. Often, as frenat said, it's mighty difficult to estimate the actual altitude of an jet in the flight levels. You may be seeing one climbing from FL290 to FL330...it be kind of hard to tell. You may see one pulling a contrail at FL330, and another one just a minute behind the previous one, not pulling one...he may be at FL350. It's kind of difficult to tell that difference from 7 miles below.

I am betting you saw that particular version of events...
MID
QUOTE (Zaus @ May 20 2008, 01:19 AM) *
Im not an egotist, or a prophet, or anything other than a person. I am simply aware.

HAARP is a "research project" of stolen Tesla weather control technology.

I realize the very name "tesla" in conjunction with weather control and/or anything else he invented throws up a big red flag for you, so i dont care to waste my time.


I'm glad you realize that.
You are one of those people who take the brilliant engineeer and the rather poor scientist (in several respects), Tesla, and manipulate his unsubstantiated theories into some occult connection with all sorts of clap trap that doen't exist, and never has.
There is no "Tesla weather control technology".



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“U.N. Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Use of Environmental Modification” went into effect on October 5, 1978.

Laws like that should be a red flag, i mean noone has laws for things that dont exist...


Really?
There are plenty of laws or treaties in existence for things that don't yet exist...but which are potentials.

We have several treaties in force which define the peaceful uses of space by humanity. One of the prohibitions is against the territorialization or the laying of claims upon any heavenly body by any nation. You aren't allowed to own the Moon or Mars, for instance.

Using your "logic", that should mean an immediate red flag...we must have a U.S. nuclear base on Mars or on the far side of the Moon right now, experimenting on high tech methodologies to dominate the world!

crying.gif





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Think about this for a moment:

Anyone can plainly see the world is having the worst natural disasters, one after another, then ever seen before. The official story is "global warming" is causing these incredibly powerful natural disasters.


No, I think you prefer to see this.
The strongest recorded hurricane in history occurred 3 years ago, Wilma, before she made landfall. Before that, Gilbert in 1988. There hasn't been anything close since 2005. In fact, the predicted doom of increasing hurricane activity has crapped out since 2005-6. I am assuming that HAARP's Tesla Weather Ray crapped out?

Flooding...you can't talk about that. It happens all over the world, all the time...what else is there? Tsunamis, earthquakes...other natural processes?

What do you mean, the worst...one right after the other? Pay attention to things and you'll see that this is natural stuff that happens every single year, in many places all over the world! Man made global warming has nothing at all to do with it...nor does HAARP, or anything Tesla ever invented. Get used to it. You live on a planet where nature doesn't give a crap who it rains on!

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the same people who are telling you this call AN IDIOT our commander and chief, and allow him to wage a seven year war on "terrorism" of which THERE IS NO REAL ENEMY, AND the gas prices(of which our commander and chief profits heavily from) skyrocket twice the price within the same seven years...


Now you are truly off the fringe...

There is no real enemy, eh? Our President profits heavily from the price of Gasoline???
Are you nuts?

Rhetorical question...

Our GOVERNMENT profits heavily, Federal, State, and Local, from gasoline...not it's price, but the massive taxes they've been levying on it for years. The tax is not a function of the price. The only other profit being made from the price of gasoline...other than the modicum made by the company that makes it (a relatively nominal level), and the station owner who sells it...is the seller of the crude!
They're making the money...and it's not us!





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then, also within this same seven years FEMA(Federal Emergency Management Agency) builds 600 concentration camps, all around populated areas, some of which can hold up to ONE MILLION PEOPLE(i wish i was making this up... it would be a great sci-fi story), but worst of all...

a bit of history

the vid above explains the lengths FEMA will be allowed to go in the event of a "national emergency" such as another 9/11 or weather disaster(such as katrina)


Another youtube reference...fantastic Zaus, once again, you impress with your research...



QUOTE
Couple into all that the fact that you dont believe weather technology is in use, or even exists...

Dont you think this game is a bit old? People have been fooled by their governments for thousands of years, why should this day and age be any different?

The less the people know, the less information they have to go on to make logical conclusions, call me what you will i know where i stand.


Yes, I think we all know where you stand...

On shaky, nondescript ground, imagining things you know absolutely nothing about.
Your logic is non-existent, your reliance on youtube fabrications is impeccable, and your imaginative creations regarding all this stuff that has never existed...as well as this Tesla fantasy adherence, are remarkable, if not somewhat disturbing.

But as you say, you know where you stand.
You may be the only one who knows precsiely where you stand...but I suppose that's sufficient in and of itself.

unsure.gif

Zaus
11 July 1934 Front page headline of the New York Times, 'TESLA, AT 78, BARES NEW 'DEATH BEAM'. 'Will send concentrated beams of particles through the free air, of such tremendous energy that they will bring down a fleet of 10,000 enemy airplanes at a distance of 250 miles...' Tesla stated that the death beam would make war impossible by offering every country an 'invisible Chinese wall'." A Master of Lightening: A Weapon To End War, PBS
supervike
Thanks frenat and MID for the great explanation of contrails!

When one has little or no knowledge of how they work (like me), it's much easier to buy into some of the 'chemtrail' lunacy. I'm betting a large majority of folks that believe these contrails are something more sinister, really don't understand why and how they form. I can't say I completely understand it now either, but at least I know there really isn't anything to the hype.
MID
QUOTE (supervike @ May 21 2008, 05:14 PM) *
Thanks frenat and MID for the great explanation of contrails!

When one has little or no knowledge of how they work (like me), it's much easier to buy into some of the 'chemtrail' lunacy. I'm betting a large majority of folks that believe these contrails are something more sinister, really don't understand why and how they form. I can't say I completely understand it now either, but at least I know there really isn't anything to the hype.



You're welcome supervike.


You're absolutely right in your comments.
Conspiracy Theories, and sinsiter implication are common when a lack of understanding exists. It's been that way...forever!
That's not a fault, or a bad thing. Not having knowledge about something is no big deal at all...one can always learn! That's the fun of living!


The problem comes when certain people don't want to learn, and prefer their illusions to the effort required to learn things (that's lazy and no fun in my book).


Contrails are actually pretty easy.
Ever stand outside on a cold humid winter day and blow hot air out of your lungs and see the cloud form?

That's a contrail...

Jet exhaust is mostly water vapor and a bit of carbon dioxide.
Water vapor, exiting at high temperature into a cold moist air mass, condenses immediately. The contrail is condensed water vapor...essentially, a type of artificial cirrus cloud, composed of frozen crystals of water vapor.


You may also see contrails form (although not very often today) from propeller blades. Airfoils moving through the air cause regions of decreased pressure on one side of them, and decreased pressure can cause water vapor to condense because a decrease in pressure also means a drop in temperature. A drop in temperature causes the air at lower pressure to be able to hold less moisture in it, and the excess condenses (take a cold container out of your freezer on a hot day and you'll immediately see condensation form on the surface...that frosty mug phenomenon is a classic example of cold surfaces condensing moisture on them) in to what were often observed back in the days of high altitude propeller driven aircraft as propeller contrails. Even today, a jet liner can pull a contrail even at lower altitudes from it's wing tip vortices or off of the edges of extended wing flaps during approaches to landings in moist enough air conditions...


It's cool stuff!

But the bottom line to contrails is that they are essentially ice clouds...made of water!


MID
QUOTE (Zaus @ May 21 2008, 06:14 AM) *
11 July 1934 Front page headline of the New York Times, 'TESLA, AT 78, BARES NEW 'DEATH BEAM'. 'Will send concentrated beams of particles through the free air, of such tremendous energy that they will bring down a fleet of 10,000 enemy airplanes at a distance of 250 miles...' Tesla stated that the death beam would make war impossible by offering every country an 'invisible Chinese wall'." A Master of Lightening: A Weapon To End War, PBS




Yes, most of us know about this 74 year old report about Tesla's aged claims.

Tesla himself, in his later years, said that he had built and tested a prototype of this defensive weapon.
Unfortunately, there's never been any evidence found of this thing....and in Tesla's own statements, it required several inventions which had not yet been fabricated.

I suspect some theoretical musings and a bit of old age in the mix. And I imagine others did as well, since no one bought it.

What's your point?

Tesla's "Death Beam" never happened...
It was a theoretical construct of the great engineer's elderly mind. It was not an operational device....


(I know...someone smarter than me is going to ask...Why do you bother? I can't answer that...it's a strange compulsion!!!!)
badeskov
QUOTE (MID @ May 21 2008, 05:25 PM) *
(I know...someone smarter than me is going to ask...Why do you bother? I can't answer that...it's a strange compulsion!!!!)


That would be me, but I share the same compulsion....

Cheers,
Badeskov
DEBUNKER
QUOTE (badeskov @ May 24 2008, 07:16 AM) *
That would be me, but I share the same compulsion....


rofl.gif I love you both sooo much!! laugh.gif laugh.gif


And Zaus...Is there something "paranormal" out there that you DONT believe in..you know... something that seems a little bit too "out there"??
bee
QUOTE (DEBUNKER @ May 24 2008, 10:01 AM) *
rofl.gif I love you both sooo much!! laugh.gif laugh.gif


When these lovey-dovey, Oscar-night-speech type exchanges happen.....my bull**** detectors
start bleeping like crazy...... ohmy.gif


Bleep, bleep, bleep.....reverse-psychology warning....Chem Trails MIGHT be real.... grin2.gif


hazzard
The persistence of contrails depends upon temperature, relative humidity, and the vigor of mixing between the exhaust plume and the ambient air.

It is not unusual for contrails to spread and merge so that they cover a good portion of the sky with a filmy veil of ice crystals.

Sometimes the moisture and ice nuclei injected into the air by the jet engines can support the formation of natural cirrus, even if contrails didn`t form initially, provided that a gentle uplift causes enough cooling for clouds to form.

I contend that there is no visible or other physical evidence of high altitude spraying, and so I do not believe in chemtrails.

The moniker might just as well be applied to contrails, however, for both the visible and invisible, chemical, components of jet exhaust there are cause for at least some concern.
Zaus
QUOTE (DEBUNKER @ May 24 2008, 01:01 AM) *
rofl.gif I love you both sooo much!! laugh.gif laugh.gif


And Zaus...Is there something "paranormal" out there that you DONT believe in..you know... something that seems a little bit too "out there"??


Do YOU want to take responsibility for the absolute BS that is happening worldwide? I think not believing their is an Elite, and this said Elite wants global domination and worldwide enslavement is too "out there".

Take a look at the evidence, namely the atrocities committed by the IRS(owned and operated by the Rockefellers, who FULLY ADMIT to working in secret against the people of the united states in creating the New World Order/ One World Religion.

I would say that it would not be hard to develop all of this technology in secret, considering 95% of the people of the world dont even know that plasma is the forth type of matter(and can be used with extra free ions/particles in changing the weather through the apparatus called HAARP, even in the HAARP documentation it is clear that weather manipulation is the goal, and that it IS BEING USED ALREADY)

Something i do believe, if people dont start acting like people(instead of spineless sheople) we are in for some deep ***SNIP***
DEBUNKER
QUOTE (Zaus @ May 25 2008, 12:14 AM) *
Do YOU want to take responsibility for the absolute BS that is happening worldwide? I think not believing their is an Elite, and this said Elite wants global domination and worldwide enslavement is too "out there".

Take a look at the evidence, namely the atrocities committed by the IRS(owned and operated by the Rockefellers, who FULLY ADMIT to working in secret against the people of the united states in creating the New World Order/ One World Religion.

I would say that it would not be hard to develop all of this technology in secret, considering 95% of the people of the world dont even know that plasma is the forth type of matter(and can be used with extra free ions/particles in changing the weather through the apparatus called HAARP, even in the HAARP documentation it is clear that weather manipulation is the goal, and that it IS BEING USED ALREADY)

Something i do believe, if people dont start acting like people(instead of spineless sheople) we are in for some deep ***SNIP***


So what... Maybe it would be good to have somekind like a mini Galactic empire...A world empire...Isnt that the begining of a type 1 civilisation!? And if you ask me they should have banned religion 2000 years ago....

As far as your HAARP weather weapon goes...I hope you know how crazy that sounds to the rest of us. Weather manipulation has been tried for years...cloud seading,etc..

But even if we one day could manipulate the weather on a scale that your fantasizing about...so what?? That would also be in the type 1 civilisation program.
MID
QUOTE (bee @ May 24 2008, 05:25 AM) *
When these lovey-dovey, Oscar-night-speech type exchanges happen.....my bull**** detectors
start bleeping like crazy...... ohmy.gif


I think your B.S. detectors need calibration.
Debunker actually does love Bady and I!
We love DEBUNKER too!

We go for brains over looks!!!!

w00t.gif


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Bleep, bleep, bleep.....reverse-psychology warning....Chem Trails MIGHT be real.... grin2.gif



Bleep, Bleep Bleep...some kinda warning!

Chem trails are real!
They do exist.
We call them contrails, to avoid any association with with the rather elementary and un-researched ploddings associated with them concerning toxic chemicals that affect the health and safety of people 7 miles below them, or some sort of climatic alteration substance...or whatever.

Contrails contain chemicals.
Most prominent among the 2 (primarily), is one called H20, frozen in the solid form we typically call ice.


MID
QUOTE (Zaus @ May 24 2008, 08:14 PM) *
Do YOU want to take responsibility for the absolute BS that is happening worldwide? I think not believing their is an Elite, and this said Elite wants global domination and worldwide enslavement is too "out there".


I have been desparately trying to find out who the "elite" are...to no avail.
I wanna be one of them!!!

But personally, I take no responsibility for anything other than that which I am charged...which is basically my own life, my own success or failure...mundanities like that.

The B.S. in the world, which has been there always to one extent or another...is the responbsibility of those who promote it, and who accept it., and who feed themselves on it.

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Take a look at the evidence, namely the atrocities committed by the IRS(owned and operated by the Rockefellers, who FULLY ADMIT to working in secret against the people of the united states in creating the New World Order/ One World Religion.


You've said this before. It's been totally debunked, but you tend to ignore such things (the Rockefellers???)

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I would say that it would not be hard to develop all of this technology in secret, considering 95% of the people of the world dont even know that plasma is the forth type of matter(and can be used with extra free ions/particles in changing the weather through the apparatus called HAARP, even in the HAARP documentation it is clear that weather manipulation is the goal, and that it IS BEING USED ALREADY)



This too...
The fact that plasma is acknowledged as a 4th type of matter is common knowledge among those of scientific bent.
The rest of this statement is fantasy. HAARP has nothing to do with weather....never did. Further, there is absolutely nothing in HAARP documentation that remotely connects to what you talk about.

That too has been clearly pointed out to you, but as usual, you avoid that readily available information for these constructs of...whatever it is...



badeskov
QUOTE (MID @ May 25 2008, 10:19 AM) *
I have been desparately trying to find out who the "elite" are...to no avail.
I wanna be one of them!!!


Don't we all?! wink2.gif

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But personally, I take no responsibility for anything other than that which I am charged...which is basically my own life, my own success or failure...mundanities like that.

The B.S. in the world, which has been there always to one extent or another...is the responbsibility of those who promote it, and who accept it., and who feed themselves on it.


I guess this cuts to the heart of the matter - we are basically in charge of our own life and to some I guess that is kinda scary...

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You've said this before. It's been totally debunked, but you tend to ignore such things (the Rockefellers???)


Why ruin a perfectly good conspiracy with something as mundane as facts?!

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This too...
The fact that plasma is acknowledged as a 4th type of matter is common knowledge among those of scientific bent.


I don't know, but this is something I was taught in high school. That should be fairly common knowledge.

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The rest of this statement is fantasy. HAARP has nothing to do with weather....never did. Further, there is absolutely nothing in HAARP documentation that remotely connects to what you talk about.


Indeed - I would go as far as to call it utter nonsense.

Cheers,
Badeskov
frenat
HAARP is unclassified. You can get a tour if you want. Hardly the type of place to do super secret weather manipulation.
badeskov
QUOTE (MID @ May 25 2008, 10:08 AM) *
I think your B.S. detectors need calibration.
Debunker actually does love Bady and I!
We love DEBUNKER too!

We go for brains over looks!!!!

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Indeed wink2.gif

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Bleep, Bleep Bleep...some kinda warning!

Chem trails are real!
They do exist.
We call them contrails, to avoid any association with with the rather elementary and un-researched ploddings associated with them concerning toxic chemicals that affect the health and safety of people 7 miles below them, or some sort of climatic alteration substance...or whatever.

Contrails contain chemicals.
Most prominent among the 2 (primarily), is one called H20, frozen in the solid form we typically call ice.


That fact that anybody would even think it an option to distribute chemicals 10km up in the air is just baffling - even the Soviet Union and the United States knew at the height at the cold war that it was the ultimate not to do with respect to chemical/biological warfare! Not only would it dilute the dipsersed solutions (which could be compensated for by extreme concentration or the like of the dispersed agents), but up there in the jet stream there would be no control whatsoever of the areas affected and some could be carried aorund the globe. Just plain out baffling...

One wonders what makes some even consider this as an option as a delivery system.

Cheers,
Badeskov
frenat
Exactly. While dillution could be compensated for by higher concentrations (but not always as some things would take weeks if not months to reach te ground), it is still not a good way to deliver something. As mentioned, aiming is impossible and bilogical agents would be rendered inert by the extra UV at higher altitudes and the extra time exposed to UV by the time it takes to reach the ground. But, never let facts stand in the way of a good conspiracy.
badeskov
QUOTE (frenat @ May 27 2008, 12:22 AM) *
Exactly. While dillution could be compensated for by higher concentrations (but not always as some things would take weeks if not months to reach te ground), it is still not a good way to deliver something. As mentioned, aiming is impossible and bilogical agents would be rendered inert by the extra UV at higher altitudes and the extra time exposed to UV by the time it takes to reach the ground. But, never let facts stand in the way of a good conspiracy.


That is very true, which is another added factor against this whole pile of manure called a theory (along with a whole host of other factors). But as MID mentioned, H2O is also a chemical and that in the strictist of senses thus makes them chemtrails... blink.gif

Cheers,
Badeskov
hazzard
QUOTE (badeskov @ May 27 2008, 08:16 AM) *
Indeed wink2.gif



That fact that anybody would even think it an option to distribute chemicals 10km up in the air is just baffling - even the Soviet Union and the United States knew at the height at the cold war that it was the ultimate not to do with respect to chemical/biological warfare! Not only would it dilute the dipsersed solutions (which could be compensated for by extreme concentration or the like of the dispersed agents), but up there in the jet stream there would be no control whatsoever of the areas affected and some could be carried aorund the globe. Just plain out baffling...

One wonders what makes some even consider this as an option as a delivery system.

Cheers,
Badeskov



I agree. Putting "it" in the drinking water would be the way to go.
MID
QUOTE (badeskov @ May 27 2008, 03:08 AM) *
I guess this cuts to the heart of the matter - we are basically in charge of our own life and to some I guess that is kinda scary...


Bady...I think that's the main point I try...so vainly...to get across to Zaus.
I think he seriously thinks that everyone is not in charge of their own lives.
It's pointless to explain this...as he tends not to answer anything directed at him, but Lord:

There's a reason why the TV has a channel changing thingamajig, and an OFF button (hell, where isn't there a MUTE button anymore?)!
One doesn't have to sit there and be "controlled" by the media and the sinister advertising.
One doesn't have to listen to stories about "personalities".
One doesn't have to listen to music that sucks or has subliminal conditioning impregnated within...stereo systems still, oddly enough, have tuners and "OFF" buttons.

There's a reason why these devices have those nifty features...they allow you to CHOOSE.

There's nothing else one can do about it...save make a personal choice.
I don't think he thinks people can or do make such choices.





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The fact that plasma is acknowledged as a 4th type of matter is common knowledge among those of scientific bent.
I don't know, but this is something I was taught in high school. That should be fairly common knowledge.


Apparently, it's not a matter for the high school physics class anymore... sad.gif


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That fact that anybody would even think it an option to distribute chemicals 10km up in the air is just baffling - even the Soviet Union and the United States knew at the height at the cold war that it was the ultimate not to do with respect to chemical/biological warfare! Not only would it dilute the dipsersed solutions (which could be compensated for by extreme concentration or the like of the dispersed agents), but up there in the jet stream there would be no control whatsoever of the areas affected and some could be carried aorund the globe. Just plain out baffling...

One wonders what makes some even consider this as an option as a delivery system.



I might conjecture that the reason is belief...as opposed to a lack of knowledge about such nasty things...


God...the only high altitude airborne delivery system with any effect is a bomber dropping a load of bombs. Chemicals...poisons, etc...?
A cropduster full of some nasty crap flown a hundred feet over a town, laying a swath of it could have profound local effect, or perhaps a tanker like a firefighters use on forest fires. Load one up and dump a bunch on some area from 150 feet...yep.


But at the flight levels? Good Lord.
Looking at the winds aloft over Pennsylvania at this time (17:00 EDT, 5-28-08), I see at 42,000 feet, winds are from 280 degrees at 110 knots...drop to 36,000: 270 degrees at 70 knots, fall to 30,000: 270 at 85 knots....Drop to 12,000 and they're from 320 at 35 knots.

Lateral dispersion in 8 miles of air (disrupted by the wake from a behemoth traveling at about 750-800 feet per second) aside....what does one think one would ever be able to target in wind conditions like that, with a diffuse spraying of chemicals???
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Most of it wouldn't even descend, being reduced to tiny particulates that by virtue of lift, might be suspended aloft for days or longer...and might wind up somewhere near the coast of some Scandanavian country before they harmlessly fell into the ocean.

"Oh yea...we can just dump a bunch of stuff from 8 miles high and cover everything!"



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MID
QUOTE (hazzard @ May 27 2008, 12:39 PM) *
I agree. Putting "it" in the drinking water would be the way to go.



It's kind of disturbing, isn't it?

All us semi-scientifically literate folks understand fully the best way to kill a bunch of people with toxic chemicals, when the ones who believe it's actually being done ( wacko.gif ) can't figure out that spraying from 7-8 miles high ain't it???


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ROGER
When I spray to kill Flies I like to watch them drop dead at my feet.

So these people walking around till their in their 80's and 90's really tick me off!

Lay down and DIE ready! mad.gif
badeskov
QUOTE (MID @ May 28 2008, 02:37 PM) *
It's kind of disturbing, isn't it?

All us semi-scientifically literate folks understand fully the best way to kill a bunch of people with toxic chemicals, when the ones who believe it's actually being done ( wacko.gif ) can't figure out that spraying from 7-8 miles high ain't it???


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huh.gif


Rather disturbing indeed...

Cheers,
Badeskov
badeskov
QUOTE (MID @ May 28 2008, 02:33 PM) *
Bady...I think that's the main point I try...so vainly...to get across to Zaus.
I think he seriously thinks that everyone is not in charge of their own lives.
It's pointless to explain this...as he tends not to answer anything directed at him, but Lord:


So I have noticed. It is common sense for most of us, but I guess some have another kind of sense....


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There's a reason why the TV has a channel changing thingamajig, and an OFF button (hell, where isn't there a MUTE button anymore?)!
One doesn't have to sit there and be "controlled" by the media and the sinister advertising.
One doesn't have to listen to stories about "personalities".
One doesn't have to listen to music that sucks or has subliminal conditioning impregnated within...stereo systems still, oddly enough, have tuners and "OFF" buttons.

There's a reason why these devices have those nifty features...they allow you to CHOOSE.

There's nothing else one can do about it...save make a personal choice.
I don't think he thinks people can or do make such choices.


MID, very well put! It is a personal choice. We all have to make our own choices and take responsibility for the consequences of said choices. Nobody is going to do that for us (and neither would I want somebody to do that for me).

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Apparently, it's not a matter for the high school physics class anymore... sad.gif


Apparently not. What are they actually taught in physcis. Are they actually taught physics nowadays?! One seriously wonders....

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I might conjecture that the reason is belief...as opposed to a lack of knowledge about such nasty things...


True. That I have no doubt playes a big role in this whole picture...


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God...the only high altitude airborne delivery system with any effect is a bomber dropping a load of bombs.


That is for sure. Even a good, old iron bomb with no guidance whatsoever you could be pretty certain would fall within a relatively small area even when dropped from 30,000 feet.

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Chemicals...poisons, etc...?
A cropduster full of some nasty crap flown a hundred feet over a town, laying a swath of it could have profound local effect, or perhaps a tanker like a firefighters use on forest fires. Load one up and dump a bunch on some area from 150 feet...yep.


But at the flight levels? Good Lord.
Looking at the winds aloft over Pennsylvania at this time (17:00 EDT, 5-28-08), I see at 42,000 feet, winds are from 280 degrees at 110 knots...drop to 36,000: 270 degrees at 70 knots, fall to 30,000: 270 at 85 knots....Drop to 12,000 and they're from 320 at 35 knots.

Lateral dispersion in 8 miles of air (disrupted by the wake from a behemoth traveling at about 750-800 feet per second) aside....what does one think one would ever be able to target in wind conditions like that, with a diffuse spraying of chemicals???
wacko.gif

Most of it wouldn't even descend, being reduced to tiny particulates that by virtue of lift, might be suspended aloft for days or longer...and might wind up somewhere near the coast of some Scandanavian country before they harmlessly fell into the ocean.

"Oh yea...we can just dump a bunch of stuff from 8 miles high and cover everything!"



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Truly baffling. While I certainly don't condone neither chemical nor biological warfare, I would suggest some to read up on it. That would probably eliminate the truly dumb claims and probably a remotely plausible CT could be concocted. Dispersing chemicals at 30,000 feet (or there abouts), absolutely and utterly ridiculous - displayes a blatant lack of knowledge with the proponents of such wacko.gif (pardon my candor).

Cheers,
Badeskov
MID
QUOTE (badeskov @ May 31 2008, 07:24 PM) *
Truly baffling. While I certainly don't condone neither chemical nor biological warfare, I would suggest some to read up on it. That would probably eliminate the truly dumb claims and probably a remotely plausible CT could be concocted. Dispersing chemicals at 30,000 feet (or there abouts), absolutely and utterly ridiculous - displayes a blatant lack of knowledge with the proponents of such wacko.gif (pardon my candor).

Cheers,
Badeskov



Sometimes, the arguments are just so dumb that candor is the only alternative!!!

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badeskov
QUOTE (MID @ Jun 1 2008, 11:39 AM) *
Sometimes, the arguments are just so dumb that candor is the only alternative!!!

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Unfortunately that is so, MID crying.gif .

Cheers,
Badeskov
bee
I have only just started taking notice of all this Chem Trails stuff....

At the moment (rightly or wrongly) I don't feel that it is to poison, make ill and kill off American citizens...That
doesn't make sense. Why do that to your own people?

But I came across this video on another forum and it appears to confirm that something along the Chem Trail
lines is going on.....but that it is to do with radar cover? (or maybe protection from some other kind of thing?)
Maybe this 'chaff' does make some people ill? But is more of an indirect health hazard?

Link...>>>Weatherman radar gets jammed by chemtrails-military testing (41secs)


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1/23/08 Tampa Bay area weatherman explains Military/Government radar jamm(chaff), when his radar gets jammed by military chemtrails. This is one of many experiments are being conducted in our skies.







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