I found this an was horrified does anybody know anything about it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSrIkUXwsNk

..well i'll be damned.

The comment attached to the video reads:
"Russian scientists detach a dogs head for the purpose of testing and research artificial life support in pre-soviet republic. The dog is awakened in this video after having it's head surgically severed and is experimented on to determine if the animal is lucid, and to document the technology in this film reel"


Looking at the plan in the beginning of the video and learning how the body, both animals and humans, works through school, this is possible and very real and not fake. This is pretty depressing and yet interesting. I hope they didn't try this experiment on humans, however knowing how some scientsits can be psychotic it wouldn't be surprising if they already have.

Thank you very much this was just horrifying to me and I believe your right this has proability been tried...too bad

I do have a problem with the jar of citric acid being labelled in english, when this was supposed to be done in russia, but I guess that could have been edited for the sake of the audience. Also, it seems to be able to move in a way that doesn't appear to be possible without neck muscles which are attached to a body.

However, there were many experiments carried out on dog's heads during that era. My gut reaction to this particular video is fake, but something very similar to this probably happened at some point.

It's not fake but the audio and the jar label have been added later, during the 1950's there was huge scientific rivalry between the US / UK and Russia with regard to medical and particular transplant surgery, there were several experiments of this type conducted mainly in Russia which resulted in head removal, head grafting (where a second head is joined to the body and blood supply of an animal) and ultimatley a complete head transplant between two monkeys.

The blood supply and facial nerves are unaffected but of course once the spinal cord is severed then the lower body becomes paralysed and at present there is no way to connect or repair the spinal nerves, if this was possible then a full body transplant may some day be possible.

http://www.mymultiplesclerosis.co.uk/stran...transplant.html

Yeah I saw the video of that chimp head transplant in a documentary, that was pretty kewl.

How about something about cruelty to animals?

Interesting.

Well, I believe that it's not a haux. I do believe that I feel rather sick now. The animal-rights lover in me is screaming with rage. People wanna test stuff? Use humans. Convicts. Rapists, murders, whatever you will. Not defenseless animals.

Humans are just as much animals themselves aren't they?

A rapist and murderer is still above an animal. Animals, in their own world, live lives of murder, rape, and all the like. Many people, especially PETA freaks like to say that all animals are equal to humans. We are not equal to animals, we are above animals, morally, intellectually, and otherwise. Without animal experiments, the entire field of medicine would come very much to a halt.

In fact I believe that most animal experiments these days are not done for medical research but to support the beauty industry, hair dye, perfume, deodorant, lipstick, mascara and the likes consume large animal numbers and because each manufacturer refuses to share its findings with the competiton the same experiments are repeated many times in different labs with the same result ............. but hey it's "because your worth it" .

I wish they would try this on humans. .____.

It'd teach a lesson on humanity and passion, and to stop being such cruel, impossible creatures.
People are as much of an animal as anything else. So I guess if they can kill a dog, they can kill an eleven year old without mercy too.
Why not.
They think about the same and have the same logic, personality-development, and thought processes.
It'd be completely fair in my opinion! Some mother is missing their baby somewhere.

That is so cruel. And wrong, and disturbing on so many levels. humans are not above a dog, cat or any other animal. It's just us stupid humans have such a huge ego we like to think so. "oh, we are so much smarted and better and blah blah blah" but really, our lives are not worth any more then any animal. in fact we are animals. what doesn't make us animals? we call chimps animals, and we are pretty closely related. all in all, I think this is horrible. and anyone who thinks that's good, and cool and such, are very very closed minded, and have an ego problem, and are extremely cruel.

I am pretty sure that it is fake...Just having blood pumping through arteries and veins would not be enough to stimulate the reactions we are seeing. I could see how the cranial nerves from the brain could cause eye twitching, as well as the toungue, but there is no way that the entire dogs head could move in response to the hammer strike if it had no body to be attached to; the dog was obviously pulling away from the hammer and therefore still attached to a body to have the muscles to be able to do so. I am not saying that there were not attempts to try something like this, just that in this case the dog and body are still attached.

An American scientist was successful with the head transplant of a monkey. I don't have details, but they should be available. The film was shown on Monster Hunters, I believe.

The reason I think people need to be taken down a peg is because of the rediculous imprint we're leaving on this earth. Animals wouldn't do this sort of distruction. They don't have it in them. Don't give me the BS about how cow sh** is taking us all to hell... if we didn't breed those animals to the numbers they are in, it wouldn't be a problem. And yes, intellectually they are in no comparison to us. Apparently. Morally? Ha. We're just animals with guns.

I still do not understand why it's acceptable to test on animals and not humans. In no way did you prove your point. Animals rape and murder? Yeah, they do. We murder for all the same reasons. Rape? They're so much lower then us intellectually I don't think they have it in them to actually "rape". According to your definition, anyways.

But good point on PETA. They are totally insane. But that's about all you got right.

Do it on people or things that can consent, or don't do it at all. The poor animal had no choice. And animals can't think as abstract as we do, so I'm sure they're not even capable of thinking of how the animal they are eating or killing feels. So, in short, their murder is not identicle to our murder. Humans are well aware of the negetive aspect of murder. Much more so than animals are. They simply go by what their natural instincts tell them. We raise above that.

If we can find justice in putting people to death via death row, then we can do these experiements on them. We'd probably have alot less crime that way. And of course, you'd have to commit an extremely serious crime to get these experiments done. If it sounds sick, then you may want to check your logic cap, because you have no problem doing this to animals who have done nothing at all, but be all they can be, instinct following animals.

I saw it to, and kewl it was not.

Who was Shiavo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah_hqwvDn64&NR=1

There goes human experimentation...

so thats the basis for futrama technology!! neato!!

as long as the blood was oxygenated it should work. i dont know how they would have done that but.....

I agree.


I was also amused by the "citric acid" being labeled in English.
To me personally, this looks like a video that some high school kids made.

Thats pretty Amazing

Animals have destroyed different habitats before, just not on a global level like us. The difference between us and other animals is that when we are destroying our environment, we see it, as we have, and are working on stopping it. An uncountable number of species of animals have been pushed to extinction by other animals throughout the lifespan of our planet without a care in the world. We on the other hand, in the same way we see what we are doing to our environment, see what we are doing to them; and try and fix it. We have stepped above the natural order and that is what makes us different and definitely more valuable.

Perhaps I sounded too hard, I didn't mean to, I like puppies too .

Experiment gone bad? Looked like it was going pretty good to me.

There is no way that it's a fake, the film was produced in Russian and distributed for an 'English / American' audience and so the label on the bottle has been changed.
The procedure used is basicaly the same one that has been developed as a result of these early animal experiments, during human heart surgery the beating heart is stopped and a machine takes over, this is doing exactly the same.
It's nature is cruel because the animal is not fully anesthatised post surgery but the technique is absolutley possible and although this is at the extreme, the techniques used today and are saving thousands of human lives every year.

I agree with wootloops last post regarding mans ability to manage the resources at his disposal (the exeption being fossil fuel) this is the reason we are currently the most sucessful species on the planet........ I also adore dogs

I saw this yesterday afternoon and its been on my mind all night, i think its horrible! I love dogs, who would do that? I know it was done like, years and years ago, but its still terrible, and cruel. Animals can't voice their consent and opinions, i think it's awful

Very true especially about the cows and PETA. I do morally support the Animal Liberation League and similar organizations though. I saw the dog video when someone was spamming it on several forums a few weeks back. While a bit fascinating I really love animals and it made me kinda sad. It still does when I think about it. Thread abandoned kthxbai

I ain't watched the vid because I'm at work, but I just wanted to agree with your thoughts.

Every living thing, plant and animal, fights for a space in this world. And if it means destroying another species then so be it. The only difference with us is that we can see the long term hinders it may cause.

There are so many examples of extinctions or changes to the environment indirectly caused by humans in recent history. The effects of introducing new species is what I'm talking about. You can argue that most of them are caused indirectly by humans (the Dodo and Tasmanian Tiger in mainland Australia - both were caused by introducing dogs), but it's proof that animals don't give a toss and so really, as the dominant species of this planet, why should we?

The giant Panda is a nice example. Why the hell should we care about an animal which is such a failure at life? It coems into season like once every 4 years, then sits on it's young and kills them. Darwin says let it die.

Whilst that sounds cruel and it's not what I want, it does demonstrate that the species which have adapted to a world with us (rats are a great example) are... well, amazing. And all the ones which are facing extinction, even if it's our fault, that's life! That's what happens!

Every creature has altered life for every other creature. We're NO different. We just think about it through moral.

First of all I don't approve cruelty to animals, but some of you act like little babies and act as if you do anything not to hurt any animal, insect, or any living creature for that matter.

If you're gonna be preaching animal rights then you might as well remove anything in your house that could've affected and animal's life or been an animal's habitat. A simple thing like a wooden table could've been a place where thousands of insects or animals used for either shelter or to make a nest for their babies. Now just because your damn selfish ass wanted a table to set your personal belongings on, an animal or insect just lost their habitat.

And after you finish removing everything that an animal has been affected by, then throw up every piece of food you ate that had some type of animal in it.

Like I said before, I don't approve of animal cruelty, but I know we need to kill them and use them in order for us to survive, learn from, and even get healthy.

And I can gurantee most of you hypocrites would rather see an animal being experimented on than someone in your family like your mom, dad, son, or daughter.

I think it's fake, I agree about the twitching head not being possible without a body.

Unless they attached the neck muscles to something...

I've no experiences with dogs, but I lived on a farm, and we often butchered chickens (not for fun, for food).

Chicken heads will move, open eyes, open their mouths, and twitch around for an incredibly long time after being removed from the body.

The bodies themselves would often run around for up to a minute, without a head...not falling over, just running around in big circles.

It's very bizarre.

I say we test this on humans, actually can we really call the scientists who this did human, its terrible, the amount of pain that dog would be going through.

When I first saw the video clip some time ago, I was studying Biology with the OU, and wanted to understand the neuro system.

However, when I called up the clip, I cried. All I could think about was that poor dog, and how I wouldn't let anybody do that to my dog. The poor dog didn't get a say in the matter, and they couldn't have kept the head alive indefinitely.

What a waste of an animal's life.

I suffer with spastic paraplegia and I would hate to think that some poor creature would have to suffer to benefit me.

Even now, I can still remember the clip and it is still shocking to me today, as it was when I first saw it.

I have a strong stomach, but I found this gut-wrenching that no matter what my stomach could take, this was not one of them. All I could think about was that poor dog suffering and for what?

I agree.
How dare they do this?
Dont worry, they will be judged in the end.
These people are sick demented creatures that should all be hung.
this is wrong....

I agree when nature selects for extinction you've had you shot and it makes room for the next, mother nature is quite ruthless there are no politics involved.

I would normally point a finger and say "Animal cruelty!", but the dog was already dead. Though I guess it does seem mean to bring it back just so it would die again. (They did this same sort of thing with a dog's heart too)

did you watchthe video? the head is responsive..

A government which held 12,000,000 of its own citizens in concentration and slave-labor camps and purposely starved to death 12,000,000 Ukranians probably didn't get all that excited about the death of a dog.

I am not going to deny the fact that this is absolutely genius and extraordinary, but it still doesn't change the fact that it is sick.

here read this story

clicky!


very messed up but very interesting

This was both disturbing and cruel. I cannot believe such things pass through the human mind. As smart a species as we are, or claim to be-- I cannot help but wonder where we get such stupid notions as trying to keep a head alive with no body-- where would be the point?

Are we so conceited we must be immortal?

ewwww..