They are only having one more show next week and then they are taking the summer off. Hopefully you get through ><.

Darn! Well, I shall do my best...

Thanks. Tonights show isn't up yet, though, so I guess I'll listen to last week's.

This one "weird Mass" is boring.

The air is a bit tense around here.

Well I quite disagree. The Atlantic Paranormal Society is one of the most decent ghost invenstigation teams you will ever find. What is special about this team is that they approach the evidence they claim (which is just a few) in a skeptical way. This in the ghost hunting world is in fact, very positive. If you look in the past seasons, most of TAPS's evidence is not very convincing, yet this is the kind of evidence that you will find in the paranormal field. You can't really expect much more than that.

In many of their investigations they have find little to no evidence at all. Sometimes two shows in a row, quite boring for the viewers right? But the messeage TAPS wants to comunicate to it's fans and viewers is that this field of the paranormal is very disappointing, and that you can't really expect to have total success in most of your investigations.


Yes I agree with you on one part, sometimes they let things go pass them too easily, but what you are seeing in these shows is only a small fraction of the whole investigations, they only represent the best moments of the investigation, when something actually happens. If you've watched some live shows you can see that most of the time they spent it sitting somewhere for hours trying to make contact.

About the sites. You will find this not only for TAPS but for many or possibly all the investigation teams which currently exist. And this doesn't only happen in the paranormal field, and not only on the science field ( TAPS is actually a scientific investigation team), you'll find this in most today's topics and fields. Some of them are true and very obvious (Most Haunted), but I don't think TAPS fits in this category. My main point is, you will find retractors in almost everywhere.


With this all said, I can say with all security that the TAPS team is legit, and that the the little evidence they've gathered is genuine.


Alex01.

Or,

That was done purposely to show the audience they do know what a hoax looks like, how to catch a hoax and would catch one if played on them.

Just adding to the conspiracy theory. B)

Hehehehe....yea, over the last 2 years I've heard them make several jabs and off-hand remarks about sci-fi and the producers. Probably is some friction there. But they're under contract and can't say or do much about it.

The air is actually not tense at all, Alex01. I think it's quite lovely. I am, however, trying to figure out where you think you and I disagree. Let me go over your post point by point:

I agree with you that TAPS is a good group. In fact, I've said this several times throughout the thread. And I basically said it again in the post you quoted. You're preaching to the choir, in this case.

As far as them finding little to no evidence on certain cases, I quite understand how it works. I've been watching Ghost Hunters for years, including all of the live specials, and even participate in investigations with my own paranormal group. So yes, I agree with you...sometimes you just don't find anything on your first trip. Or maybe there's nothing to find. And sometimes you just sit around waiting. That's a good deal of what goes on, you're right. Waiting.

I am also aware of the number of sites that act as watchdogs to the other paranormal television shows, Most Haunted in particular. But I think most of the people reading this thread kind of already understand Most Haunted is faked. Few people question TAPS on this board here, however. So I was curious to see how people would respond if I made a topic in which the spotlight was shone on TAPS a bit. We've gotten some good discussions going, I think.

As I said, my personal opinion is that TAPS isn't faking their evidence. I've simply not seen enough proof to make that claim. However, I do think that sometimes the truth is stretched a bit. This could easily be the fault of the network and production team with their clever editing. Jay and Grant seem to point toward this themselves on Beyond Reality Radio, which I listen to from time to time. I also wonder about the times when they've shown certain things as evidence in the reveal which really isn't all that paranormal. Marginal EVPs and the Crescent Hotel military figure come to mind, for instance. Some things I think they should have just debunked or had enough doubt about to throw out. Rhymes! Yay!

Anyway, I think I've said what I wanted. I think we really agree a lot more than what you seem to indicate. No harm done, however. Thank you for your response, my friend.

Haha, well done, sir!

No... a more likely explanation is that they save the better episodes for the premiere and finale. They don't always air them in the ordered filmed.... Yeah, the episodes that have two investigaiton are probably in that order, (the first one of the city, then they always talk about, "we left that place and went here... or whatever) but Scifi can just easily pick the order they want the episodes to air in. Why not save the best for last?

I quite agree yes, sometimes I do not understand why the present some of their "evidence" in the reveal when it's not very convincing, but let's be flexible on this, on this field you can't just leave evidence beside without actually looking in into all the posibilities. I think that they focus on looking on the source, the cause, and the effects. When these three all appear as unknown then it might actually deserve to be deeply observed.

I was basically discussing the main title of this thread "Does TAPS fake their evidence?", because to be honest I have not read the whole thread, and have mainly focused on your posts, the author. But I guess you could forgive me since the thread has got quite a dense and long debate which I cannot attend.

This, however, is a very interesting thread and I truely hope it keeps on going. I will stop by from time to time.



It's a pleasure, mate.

No problem whatsoever. No harm done. I look forward to seeing you stop by again with any thoughts and opinions you have.

Take care!

WOW... interesting piece B.S.P.

TAPS are not "Paranormal GODS". I don't care who you are, nobody is an expert in this field. Not even TAPS. Just because they have a TV show doesn't mean they know everything. They even say in their reveals to their clients. "We don't know what it is". But we caught something and wanted to show you anyway. They say that in most of their reveals to cover themselves. Don't believe everything you see on TV. That doesn't go just for TAPS. That goes for any group on TV.

I still hold more weight with TAPS than I would PRS anyday, but that's whole nother topic.

It's very true...I'll take TAPS over the lads at Paranormal State anyday. But I agree with you up there, Pluto. TAPS are not paranormal Gods. But I think this is why this thread had been so interesting to read. Some in here think that they are infallible. Some think they are totally fake. Most lie somewhere in the middle. But it makes for an intriguing debate, I think.

TAPS has confronted Pilgrim about the tampered FLIR evidence on the Manson Episode. It was the production team that decided to fix things up-- not TAPS.

I honestly don't think TAPS has changed much since the beginning of their show, and the evidence certainly hasn't gotten "more sensational". I remember in the first season dramatic music played every time Brian heard a thump and freaked out. Plus you had the chair in the Lighthouse moving, the EVP in Polish, the Eastern State Penitentary, etc. Those were all "dramatic" episodes with "dramatic" evidence and I don't think anything has changed in that regard.

As for the figure in the thermal with the hot "2", I highly doubt that was Grant. The first thing those guys assume when they see something like that is reflection, without fail. Grant must have been in a different position or stance compared to this supposed "reflection" because both of them were pretty blown away. Also note that the figure disappeared when they took another look through the thermal.

Does TAPS fake their evidence? I'll pose an equally valid question: Does toast poop hippopotamus gold? The answer is clearly no.

Does TAPS make mistakes in regard to their evidence? You bet they do! We're all human and it's perfectly understandable that they would overlook something (such as Grant moving the lamp) that they interpreted as evidence.

Now, Paranormal State on the other hand... those kids have more problems than a squirrel on an eight-lane highway...

Don't get me started on Paranormal State! LOL...

But I think Ghost Hunters IMO have changed a lot since their first season. For example, in the beginning it took "HARDCORE EVIDENCE" to convince Jason anything was Paranormal. Now it seems like they have added the personal experiences as a boost to their evidence when in the beginning personal experience weren't enough to go by. They have also started to present photos more often than they did in the beginning. Their equipment has gotten better such as the usage of the thermal cam. they never used the thermal cam in the first season until the end of the 1st season or beginning of the 2nd season? I don't remember exactly when it was introduced on their show. There's also less drama as Brian is gone from the show. There's been more investigating versus other things they use to do. I think they have collected better & more quality evidence because they have changed their methods a bit. There is ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT no matter who you are though. Nobody is perfect and there is no expert in our field. Not even TAPS. They even state it in their reveal as I said earlier. They will present something they cannot explain themselves. But they save credibility by giving it a waiver like we're just not sure what it is so they don't label it. I do that in my reveals. If I am not sure what it is, I won't label it at all. Just be honest.

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Check that out and see if it gives you pause to reconsider your position at all. I think it is, at minimum, an interesting image.

Ps: My apologies for the smaller sized photo. There's a better image of it on page 3 of this thread, I believe.

WOW... it does look a lot like Grant. I have to admit!?

Well IMO it is Grant. But even though we don't know for sure, it should have never went into evidence just for the fact it looks like his reflection, that alone is reason to rule it out as paranormal evidence. I feel that it was a sloppy mistake by TAPS.

Wasn't that particular episode with this piece of evidence when they first introduced the thermal cam as their new tool? They were probably just learning how to use it. You see it on newer episodes all the time where they'll say they see tons of reflections. If it is him, definitely a huge mistake. Your right. It should of been ruled out.

The problem was that all the episodes of the season garnered amazing evidence.

No excuse they should have been trained and ready to know how dismiss reflections. Honestly I felt they did what they preach against and that is passing off bad evidence. There was room to question and give a logical resonable explaination for this piece of evidence, yet they still considered it paranormal. Very sloppy, but that's my opinion nothing more,

I thought on that episode, that they took time to try and re-create it with reflections and things, and they couldn't.

Here is a clip of it, and the subsequent debunking.

Wow. Then the baldFather and his merry band have to be the best. Cause they seem to find activity everwhere they go.

Here is something I have wondered since the show became popular...Actually 2 things...And if this does not show that this program is glorified , i do not know what does:

1. Steve and grant still work for Roto-Rooter?.....Ya , right...Even the newer shows have shown the roto roter van , and them working....Sure , uh-huh..

2. Anyone ever seen 2 ( yes 2 ) plumbers paid ( and or needed ) by a company to fix a sink?....

Maybe showing they are " normal working people" gives them credability , you and I know that is all show...

People drop all kinds of things down drains and call a plumber to get it out. Even call for a simple clog. Can't use that as an example.

They probably aren't doing as many hours as pre-show but I'm sure they are still working there. They'd be sorry for not. GH and this paranormal "bulb" won't last forever. Nothing ever does. One day it will be over, the show and presentations/speaking/guests money will stop and they have to go back to (more or less) ordinary lives.

I know I wouldn't totally give up my day job if I were in their shoes.

My point was , no company ( especially in the U.S. ) sends out and pays more people than needed to do a job...A plumber ( residential ) is solo...You can not make much money splitting a 1 person job with 2 people....

RR is run as a frasnchise. Each RR shop is independental owned and operated. I suspect Jason owns their franchise (just a guess). So more or less they work when and how they want to (with in the terms of the franchise agreement - contract - of course).

However, I agree to an extent. I think some of those scenes are staged. They always seem to be working in the cleanest, prettiest places and that's not the life of a plumber!

Some scenes are staged...

Remember the episode Kris Williams did where she got herself stuck in a hidden room? She climbed through a small hole in the wall? The camera was angled behind her after she climbed in showing that the camera crew was in the hole already before she got in it. She called Jason and Grant later on telling them she was stuck and couldn't get out of it. She calls them for help on the walkie. Meanwhile she's got camera crew with her? LMAO!

I dislike their reactions when finding evidence with review when Steve and Tango review. They act totally cut and dry. I am sure they review off the camera and vote what is going to be edited for the show.

I go by my motto... don't believe everything you see on TV!

One last thing to add here....I would much rather have a long running tv series , that people are spending time watching and debating about on numerous forums , than working 50 plus hours a week in construction to get by week to week...( well , with economy 30 hours a week latley ).......

More power to them

Yes, you are right. They did attempt to recreate it. But just because you can't recreate something doesn't mean anything necessarily. I've hit a few behind the back basketball shots. But then, when I tried to show my friend what I did...of course, I couldn't hit it. This isn't meant to be an exact analogy of course, I'm just trying to underscore my point about recreations. They're good to try, but simply because they couldn't duplicate the reflection doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't Grant.

In paranormal investigation, sometimes you just have to go by logic and reasonable doubt. Looking at a side by side of Grant and the Thermal hit is quite telling. Logically, it's Grant. The military cap we're seeing looks like Grant's hair. Same body shape, basically. You can basically match up Grant's shirt collar with the image, too. And the 2, that was the number on that locker in the room. What are the odds? To me, in my opinion, I have enough reasonable doubt about this image to have thrown it out had it been my own paranormal group. That's not to say TAPS is a bad group. I don't want anyone making that accusation again. I'm simply stating that, in my opinion, they weren't being analytical enough.

What I believe happened is that they got that hit and were so excited (and who could blame them?) that they tried to recreate it and, when they couldn't, they basically opted for it being paranormal in origin. I feel this was a mistake on their part. Especially for a group with as much experience as they have.

Still, I think TAPS is pretty solid, overall. They do good work most of the time.

I will say that Jay and Grant likely do not work as regularly at Roto Rooter as they make it seem in the show. but I'm sure that particular franchise LOVES the publicity they get out of their appearances.

As far as what you were saying, Pluto....definitely true. Certain scenes are staged. And no one is ever truly alone on the show because if you can see them on TV, there is obviously at least one camera operator present. The only thing I can say here on their behalf is that the camera crew should not be assisting anyone with anything. They are there to document what goes on. Nothing more. Sure, this person probably could easily gave Kris a boost up, haha....but maybe he was saying, "Sorry, honey. If I help you up, that means I have to put my camera down. And then I couldn't show how funny this is." Haha.

Just an idea though, of course.

Someone started this thread http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...p;#entry2321342 i cant check it out cause I am at work, but id like to see what you all think.

Not only that but,Kris's ponytail kept going in and out of a pony tail for that whole episode.

Did anyone notice last night’s episode when Kris and the new guy were wearing the costumes on stage? If that would have been an early episode Brian he would have got kicked out of TAPS for a month for that.

Haha, very true.

TAPS are the closest thing on TV that portrays our field properly and most accurately by far compared to the other genres of Paranormal TV series on the market.

It also sounds like from the video I watched of their Comic Con convention that they have been signed for another season!

Well Tango wore a tiara once. I think thats how you spell it. And your right The BaldFather would have degraded Brian the whole show.

Well thats not hard to do. Look who they are on the air with. ParanormalBS state and Most Haunted.

LOL TOUCHE!!

If I was Brian I would tell them to…, well you know!!!!

They are sooo rude to him, they treat him like a little kid, and I know Brian has screwed up lots of times but the way they do him is absolutely degrading. When someone else does something that isn’t liked they get a little slap on the wrist but if Brian does anything they are literally in his face yelling at him.

Brian needs to grow a pair. It’s almost too painful to watch.

It's all fabricated and phony, thats why nothing is ever 'caught' by the production crew following them around with fancy professional television production equipment (which you never see). Amazing, a bit of scratchy audio caught on a $15 minicassette recorder becomes the 'evidence' when a camera and audio guy was right there when it was 'recorded', with $8000 worth of camera and audio equipment..... What a joke!!

Well, if you checkout their myspace Jason & Grant are posting stuff I think that is referring to Brian. I believe they are fighting again. Which could be why he's no longer on the main show. Jason and Grant said some pretty harsh stuff about him. I take it he's done some pretty serious things to tick them off.

BRAVO I agree…Partially

My sister brought up a point last night.
She said that some of the EVP's they get, don't sound like anybody talking.
She doesn't understand how they got a sentence or a word out of it.
Since I have TiVo, I kept rewinding it, and I agree with her.

Now, I'm still think they don't purposely fake evidence, but this thing
with the EVP's has got me confused...

Are you talking about TAPS or PRS?

TAPS have used their production crew tapes to validate certain things for clients. Especially when they had personal experiences. Remember the sound guy who got knocked on his butt? That was captured by a camera guy I believe, though don't quote me on it I could be wrong. It was either recorded by a hand held by an investigator or it was recorded by the crew. I don't remember. It was an older episode. But they have been using the crew's tapes more on reveals to validate personal experiences that their equipment didn't record.

But over all... yeah their crew don't capture any hard core evidence. I wonder if they have ever caught anything they didn't air?

Say where did they go last night? Didn't get to see it.Sorry to hear they are fighting with Brian again. I know he can be irratiting at times, but he does seem to put his heart and soul into what he does,they should cut him some slack.

I think for the sound guy they used Steve camera I don’t know but I do remember someone on the team saying we did catch it, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a production team member. And I disagree again with you because I don’t remember them ever using the production crew to validate evidence but that’s because I don’t think they can, it has to be made into the show.

I didn't say to validate evidence... I meant they have used the crew tapes to back up their personal experiences. I don't think they have ever used the crew's tapes to reveal EVP's or anything strange they might of gotten. There were a couple of episodes in season 4 where they only used the tapes for backing up personal experiences. I think its only used to time stamp things.