For once in a long time me and CW agree on something. LOL

Black Swamp... I have long history here with TAPS threads! LOL... CW and JN can vouch for that.

In the beginning when the show started I use to nick pick on them for everything. I got blasted for it too. I just think its funny how the tables have turned. Now that their show has grown into 4 seasons and my respect for them has grown bigger too now every other person gets on my case for praising them too much? LMAO!

Actually Matt you HATED them, and bashed them constantly, thats why we spoke up. I am not a huge fan as you know, but seemed you had an axe to grind before, and also a personal vendetta against PRS. You arent just praising them now, you seem to get too passionate about their work, and its not that great. A happy medium would suffice..JN

Haha. Man, I never thought the sun would shine through and I would agree with JN. Tables have turned....and I can't say I am too thrilled hahaha

And a person can have a change of heart. Nothing wrong with that... it just took me time to understand their work.

LOL OMG Hell froze over!!! JN

Yeah, it got cold in here! LOL

What?!! No one getting on your case here. Folks are simply giving their opinions.. has nothing to do with you, pluto.



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or maybe it does afterall.. You used to bash TAPS, foreal? That's interesting.

I really need to see this show lol, it's got you all hot under the collar

You really do, its on Sci Fi...If all else fails, you may learn some plumbing hints...j/k..Do you get Sci Fi in Scotland? I have jet lag just thinking about it LOL..((((((((((((LS))))))))))))))))))) JN

Well, I can honestly say I like their technique when investigating.. They don't consider every bump, orb, crack, or foot step noise to be paranormal. They will stop and attempt to find the causes first..

The evidence TAPS records is plausible.

And if they can get it, anyone can.

If we go to similar locations with similar equipment and proceed by similar methods, then we should get similar results.

If that doesn't happen, then something is fishy.

Speaking for myself, I got a very noticeable EVP on my first half-hearted attempt while visiting a supposedly haunted location. On the next two tries, however, I struck out, and one of those was at the Stanley Hotel. So while these kinds of things may not happen on cue every time, they are not all that rare in my experience.

(What that EVP was, exactly, I have no idea!)

Any way to let us hear the EVP you recorded? Some folks on here have pretty good ears.

What were the circumstances under which it was caught? I ask because, if you have no idea what the EVP was, I'm wondering if it was even an EVP at all, ya know?

Thanks, Hamlyn!

It's been on the web before, and I've given people a crack at it. I heard interpretations that sounded different from what I heard and meant nothing to me. It was hard to make out, though very up-front in the mix and very distinct.

It's not on the web right now. I need to renew my hosting service. I had a whole website up with a multimedia gallery and all... pretty much no traffic. UM gets it all.

The circumstances were a group tour of a haunted location. I had a very bad digital voice recorder (RCA) and an OK outboard mic that I was carrying. I recall this point in the tour clearly because it was just after a friend of mine had made a smart remark some distance away in the crowd. The tour guide had just given his spiel, and we were all setting about following him. At that point in the recording, a voice appears, well above the noise floor.

Unlike voices in the crowd, there was no ambience to it, no reverb, as if it were either close to the mic or inserted via line input. It also had a cold and mechanical quality to it, with an odd emphasis, sort of like Stephen Hawking's talker. It certainly wasn't my voice or any voice I heard during the tour. I was carrying the mic up close to my head.

To me, it sounded as if the voice said, "but have respect," right after the guide said "follow me." That would make sense, because my friend, among others, was clowning around, and the whole proceedings felt rather juvenile, although the setting had a history of true and profound suffering. I'd expect a local spirit (if any) to admonish us to go ahead with our tour, "but have respect."

But I seemed to be the only one who heard that. Others mainly heard "one hundred (something)." So pareidolia on my part can't be ruled out.

Anyway, the source of the voice could be crosstalk from another broadcast source, but none of us could say what kind. It just didn't sound normal. The only natural thing I can think would be a passing trucker or police officer with an unusually powerful 2-way radio. It didn't sound like that to anyone who listened, but I can't rule it out.

Long story short, you look for these things and you find them. How to explain them, I'm not sure. Depends on the case. But results seem to happen, and if TAPS is telling the truth, then results should happen for anyone who does what they do. So we should go out with cams and recorders and all and see what we get. We might find that these results are so common that TAPS wouldn't need to fake them. Or we might find that we very rarely get anything to write home about, which would make GH seem pretty fishy. If we wanna see what's out there, we should go see.

I am curious how many people believe they fake evidence that also believe that there are no such things as ghosts. I think this may be more of a believer versus non-believer debate. The people who think they fake evidence think they must fake evidence because ghosts aren't real.

I feel sorry for people who haven't experienced real paranormal activity and go through life believing there is no such thing. I didn't believe until I was slapped in the face by a ghost on my first haunting investigation. If you believe in ghosts, and still believe that TAPS fakes evidence tell me why. If you don't believe in ghosts I'm not interested in hearing a bunch of theories designed to support your belief that ghosts do not exist.

I believe in ghosts, but I don't think TAPS necessarily fakes evidence. But if they did, they would be doing it for ratings, money, etc. The same reason Most Haunted is doing it, I guess.

By the way, CP...you posted something a week or so ago about scientific theory in paranormal investigation. Either you missed it, or I missed your response....could you please clear up how exactly you use scientific method in your investigations? A few others here, and myself, were anxiously awaiting a response.

Thank you, friend!

Awesome! Sorry I missed it before. I'd love for a few of the newer ears to UM take a crack at it. Myself included, though I'm not great at picking out what EVPs say.

I guess this one you're talking about is tough because, not only were you carrying a bad recorder, but you were also part of an interactive tour. If the voice is indeed saying something, it could very well be a genuine EVP, but there will also always probably be enough doubt in a lot of minds to throw it out as evidence just because of the circumstances under which is was recorded.

Thanks, Hamlyn. I hope one day soon you'll be able to renew your hosting service. I'd love to see all your multimedia. Take care, friend!

You guys need to read the book "Ghost Hunting" that Jay and Grant wrote. It gives more insight to how TAPS works and how they came together. I say this because a lot of people don't seem to get how TAPS works when it comes to finding evidence. On top of that, it's a very good read. Some of their old cases sound absolutely insane.

Thanks, But I'll pass...JN

I don't think TAPS fakes their evidence. I think they are soooo desperate to find it, that they manifest it even in their own minds sometimes. Everything is evidence. Then, in a blatant attempt to appear "APPEAR" sceptically scientific, they end up dismissing the vast majority of everything they encounter, without properly considering most of it. "Oh, that could have been a dust particle". they say. Well, just because it could have been, doesn't mean it was. Let's check it out abit, eh? Maybe just consider some possibilities. Oh, I don't even care. I quit watching...for just this reason.

~Jackal

If they have a set standard for what their definition of a true paranormal orb is then they can overlook such podunk pieces of evidence. After all, it is an orb that can be recreated on so many different levels...if anyone accepts that as evidence they need their heads examined.

Always seperate the show from the people (past as well as present).

100% agree with this statement

90% of paranormal group websites are loaded with "evidence" pics of orbs.

LOL That was my thought too. They are so busy dismissing and "debunking" I DO believe they miss things. Ive seen Steve show some things on the DVR that were strange and Jay shoots it down "it could have been one of us" etc..One episode I recall that bothered me is, they were doing an investigation in a residence. When they were upstairs they were doing EVP's. Then, when they were reviewing evidence they could hear a woman's voice. Jay said "Well it could have been the home owner calling her cat or something." Why didnt they validate that? If they were upstairs they would have seen the lady, plus they never asked her. Things like that need an answer for the client as well as the viewers IMO..JN

I love them for this method, in my opinion if there is room to rule out the evidence as something other then claiming it paranormal it should be done. I feel this is how they used to investigate and now they dont do this anymore, now they are to quick to let "false" evidence pass as real evidence.

How do you know they didn't do that? You seem to think that what you see on the show is exactly what happens during the investigation. It's not. Just because they don't show the team going really indepth to dismissing something as evidence doesn't mean it doesn't happen. They are compressing hours upon hours down into a 43 minute episode. There are tons and tons of things that they do not include in the final edit.

This is why you should read their book.

Its my opinion that if they dont validate the evidence on the air, how are we to believe in them? All they had to do is ask the woman if she was upstairs before they left. A book doesnt explain that incident to the viewers, bottom line is its a TV show, and why should we buy a book to get the answers? That could have been a very good piece of evidence on that EVP, but they left us wondering. JN

Tonight at 7PM Est - 10PM Est is the last TAPS radio show until the end of the summer. Everyone get on the phone lines and let's settle this. Why speculate when we can just ask them?

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They say it could be a dust particle because it very well could be. How many times have they caught orbs, to turn right around to produce the same orbs under same conditions?
Seems perty clear to me, they air those orb shots to let the viewers decide for themselves on what they are, either way. If they truly felt an orb was (always) dust or explained away, I don't think they'd go through the trouble of airing them.

Well, when something can't be explained away on the air, they'll leave the rest up for the viewer to decide. That doesn't mean it's not validated. If they can weed out all possible causes, that leaves us, the viewer, to speculate what it is based on our own personal opinions.
And too, we can't assume they didn't ask her, a lot is edited out to fit-- Just because we didn't see it on the program doesn't mean it didn't happen..

Don't get me started on orbs!

AHH who don't love those orbs..

Raises my hand...I DONT

Raises both hands

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Whose orbs we talking about? Donna's or Kris's?

Mmmm Kris's

LOL One track mind!!

I like orbs :::::::::runs from UM orb haters::::::::::::

Yeah, there really is a lot of things we don't see on the show. For instance, all participants are put through psychological evaluations before they go on air. We don't see any of that either.

Do you know which episode this "woman calling her cat" thing happened? I think I may have missed this one and wanted to check it out on Youtube or something.

Aside from that, I just think the whole thing about debunking is just trying to separate the rational from the paranormal. They try to see if something could happen naturally. If it can, they have to throw it out. Doesn't mean when the client reported it that it wasn't paranormal in origin...but since there is no way to prove it was paranormal, it has to be chucked. Unless, of course, a picture frame goes flying off the wall and across a room for no reason during the investigation. Then, that'd be a different story. But a lot of people are just way too anxious to jump to something being a ghost way too fast. And that's a pretty big leap to make.

All I gotta say is this...

All of these shows are JUST TV shows. If TAPS were faking evidence and being questioned about it enough, eventually they would have to come forward about it? If they don't come forward about it, perhaps they just don't care about it?

I think people ( Including myself ) may read into things too much. That's the entertainment business at its best!

HA! Same here.

Hi Jas, I dont remember which episode it was, it was a rerun not too long ago. I have seen it a few times, but all I recall is, its a residence, and the woman complains of activity upstairs, and a nice home. I know that doesnt help, as I have not seen them all because just started watching TAPS not too long ago. I do remember during the analysis, one of the EVP's, we could hear a woman's voice, and to me sounded like singing. One of the team members let Jay and Grant listen, because they felt it was suspicious. Jay said "it might have been (the womans name) calling her cat." They left it at that..When they went back to the house they explained what happened during the investigation. Jay NEVER asked her if she was upstairs or calling her cat. He never mentioned that EVP at all. It bothered me that he never asked her or brought it to her attention. If he had asked her, he could have thrown it out, but he didnt. Evidence is important, and why not take one second during the final visit and simply ask. If by chance he did ask her, why not air it because thats what the show is about? I remember what she looks like, but thats it..When I see it again, I will get the location and post it..JN

mm, yess, I remember that one! I was waiting on the answer in the reveal but they never said-

Kris Williams was a highered actress for the show, how great is that.

No they didnt, it was never validated or debunked. If they did it behind the scenes, thats not fair to the viewers IMO...JN

Yep. Remember when she shared with steve about her last boyfriend that like to bite her legs.

WHAT?? She was hired to act, or she was an actress that joined the team? In any case, she cant act..LOL