At what other point have I said something to you? I never said I had a problem with what you're saying. I have every right to come into this thread and post my opinion, just like you do. It is my opinion that most of the naysayers here know very little about TAPS and are jumping to rather unfair conclusions pretty quickly.

You people are taking this way too seriously. This doesn't need to get hostile.

I appologize for being an ***, though. I've had a tough day, and I guess I just haven't found a way to vent yet.

You can vent somewhere in some other way, & on someone else- not on me you're not.

The other time was on that stupid PRS thread that was closed, I had to basically tell you the same thing.
As I told you then, and again, I've backed TAPS- It's PRS I can't tolerate.. I've made that one very clear here.

you bark up the wrong tree.

I don't ever remember posting in a PRS thread. Perhaps you're thinking of someone else.

No, it was you-- Very well could have been just a ghost hunter's thread there's been a million, either way-

I honestly don't remember ever posting in another thread about this to you, and trust me, I usually remember this stuff pretty well. This and the "Is TAPS bringing credibility back?" thread are the only ones I've posted in regarding TAPS or PRS. I'm pretty it isn't me you're thinking of, unless you can point it out to me, then I'd gladly apologize.

Here you go, it's funny reading it now, because it's the same crap.....

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...24867&st=70

Ah yes, I remember that now. You did kind of take what I said out of context, though. But once again, I apologize for it. Not trying to make any enemies here, and I respect your opinion. In retropspect, we probably agree more than we disagree on this subject.

See, we already agree- :}

LOL Yes he is a really nice guy..JN

Man, I missed the little spat. Oh well. Glad things got sorted out.

I started this thread and I think that for the most part people have been polite to one another. Differing opinions are cool, but it's no reason to get crazy. Even though the thread asks, "Does TAPS fake their evidence?" I am of the opinion that they do not. However, there have been some misleading things that have gone on and I have blamed the network and the editing for this. I have, however, stated that I think TAPS is getting a little bit lax in what they are considering evidence over the past two seasons. I've noticed a slide where they are starting to mark things as paranormal when they're likely not.

But anyway, I do certainly appreciate everyone who posts, whether they differ from me or not. Thank you, everyone! I have really enjoyed reading your opinions and have even come across more than a few things that made me think a little. I love it! Keep it up, friends!

Ya know what? I'm totally heterosexual but even I think Grant is a cutie patootie, haha. And I'm not ashamed to admit it. I love how he says "What the fetch?" I've tried to adopt it into my own lingo.

LOL Grant is a kind soul, laid back, and has a great personality. How could anyone NOT like him? JN

i've only seen a few episodes of season 4 and in one episode they showed a picture frame moving by itself
apart from that ,it's quite dull,they hear little noises and make a big deal out of it,the sound of an insect slamming against a window pane,they would say could be communication from the other side

You definitely wouldn't be cut out for paranormal investigation then. Because the vast majority of the time is spent waiting, listening, etc. But it's cool. Sorry you find it so dull. To each their own, I guess.

maybe they could be more proactive,sometimes they taunt and provoke,they should do it more often (and i mean really try to get under the skin of the entity,no holding back,say anything )and make the entity ,if any, either fight or flee,scaring off the entity would be such a bad thing because they hardly find anything in any case,but they could make the entity do something like slamming a door,or hurling an object,they could also choose more poltergeist type cases,u read about things flying around the room,something like that would be worthwhile capturing on camera

you cant really make anything do what you want... your investigating somethings nobody has an idea about except for hypothesis. you act as if you believe there evidence as truth.....who even knows if pissing off an entitie is even possible.

Suppose provoking works and more damage is done? I am about 90% against provoking for a couple simple reasons 1. First and foremost it is disrespectful. 2. It is not the investigators place of business or residence so I dont think they have a right to do something like that just because it may make things worse.

My team is against provoking. You never know what you are inviting. There are ways to communicate and get good results with a positive method. We'll try anything and even experiment. Sometimes we'll play period music from their time period. Believe it or not, we've gotten some pretty cool responses after playing music. If you know any history about your location, perhaps motivate them by offering them something of their interest? Things like that. We also experiment with all kinds of lights, lasers, and even coming up with our own invention to help enhance EVP by manipulating the EMF Field.

I totally agree. If there is a human spirit there, and its provoked they are disrespected they would probably hide. Plus Im sure the family of whoever it is, wouldnt be happy with that technique. Ive said all along, they should have a female sensitive. Of course I dont mean her walking around and chanting. Just someone who can sense who is there, and communicate, then leave the rest to the team, its not rocket science. Every gadget in the world isnt going to attract a spirit, people do. Brian used to provoke, and that really ticked me off..To be honest for a minute and some can attest to this, I can walk into a home or business, and pick up a spirit in no time, it comes naturally and always has. For some reason they like me, I am a beacon, and I think TAPS would benefit by that as opposed to faking, embellishing or bringing on good looking girls..They could all do their thing, while she did her thing, and I can bet she would get to the source, and get it or them to surface, and then evidence would be collected. JN

A female sensitive? Don't tell me they are bring on Chip Coffee?

OMG I LOL'd out loud!!!!

Personally, I would not be opposed to working with a sensitive. Of course, I wouldn't use their impressions as evidence, but if they can point me in the right direction, I'm up for it. However, I'd want them to prove it somehow first. Like, take them to a house I know the history of and see what they say. If they're off there, I'm certainly not taking them anywhere else.

Gotta love it!!!

I think alot of sensitives are very good, but of course no one is perfect. They can normally sense spirits, and the location, along with possibly who they are or what they want. You just have to get the right person..Everyone thinks the team has to follow the psychic/sensitive around but that is not necessary. She could go in while you were setting up and guide you where to look, and maybe who to communicate with. JN

Agreed! I've asked myself many times (with all of these G Hunting programs) if, by chance, provoking didn't cause things to be much more worse, after the fact-

Yeah, it's kind of a rule in our paranormal group that we should ask the homeowner/business owner, etc ahead of time if we decide we even want to try provoking anyway. "Ghost baiting" is not just a matter of possible riling a spirit up, it could also simply terrify your client. And we certainly don't want them to be uncomfortable at any point during the investigation. Especially to the point of them wanting to call a halt to everything. So, yeah...provoking, particularly without your client's consent, bad bad very very bad!

yes u are right,this is only speculation,creative writing <----------------------
but assuming that what they say is true,then if u are an investigator looking for evidence,u should do anything to get the entity's attention,either u will amuse it or enrage it and it may do something,u're priority as an investigator is to get evidence,so even if u have to piss on a grave ,so be it,be as professional as possible.if u're trying to help people,u're prioroties would be different,u're role would be similiar to that of an hostage negotiator's and u would adopt a different strategy
but like u said,and i agree,only imaginative talk<--------

Yes, because urinating on a grave is SOOOoooo professional...

Oh, right, only imaginative talk... or something (which is where "hostage negotiator" hopefully comes from)

Dude, what are you on????

LOL Lady, dont be shy, tell us how you REALLY feel?

I have never considered "Orbs" as evidence, even though TAPS does. I was just using that as an example (which I thought was abundantly clear).

OMG

I would pee my pants before peeing on a grave honest to God.

No peeing on graves please. I don't believe in provoking spirits,it's rude,and you don't really know what kind of spirit you are encountering.
I wonder if Ghost Hunters International or Taps have gone to Edinbourgh Scotlan yet and to Covenanters prision and Bloody Mackenzie's tomb.
It was on Scariest Places on Earth, and people have been scratched by the ghost or poltergeist,whatever it is.
There is information on it on the internet.Now there is one place brian and the gang would be very stupid to provke the ghost of Judge Mackenzie,if it is even his ghost that is doing these attacks, it is assumed to be him.

hehehe...

All this talk... I feel the need... to... oh BRB!

LMAO--

For a long time they never did. I still personally think TAPS as an organization doesn't but they are forced to accept orbs as plausable for the sake of the show.

I will never accept orbs as evidence.

Can i get some of what that cat was smokeing?

For one thing, there's provoking and then there's provoking! To some people even just asking if someone is there, asking for a name, asking for a sign of their presence etc. is provoking. On a recent house investigation the client told us her priest was totally against her allowing investigators in because investigators quote "call out spirits". We explained that we don't provoke as she may have seen others do on TV. She said her priest told her just asking for a name is provocation enough. He even told her not to watch ghost investigation shows on TV because the spirit might here that and be provoked! I'd really like to meet this priest. I think he's sooooooo messing with this woman's mind. But I digress....

The other thing with provoking is if you do get a response you have no idea when, where, who and how the entity will respond. You may be provoking in the basement and it shoves someone on the main floor. Or maybe you provoke now and tomorrow it takes it out on the location owner or an employee. Or maybe next week when another investigation group comes it's hostile to them. The point being the response is totally unpredictable.

We don't do provoking except in a few very rare situations and then only with the permission of the lead investigator on scene. I've done provoking and the thought of what might happen at any moment it's scary enough.

I bet the priest in question is trying to get her to NOT get involved in the whole ghost/spirit world idea. It seems that SOME people get so wrapped up in it, it becomes detrimental to them. As with all things, moderation. If one is so obsessed with ghosts that they read, watch, talk, nothing but ghosts, they are likely to have problems. Much like a person that is so obsessed with being sick (hypochondriac) will usually wind up making themselves ill. With the popularity of ghosts in the media, I am sure there are many people who are having "experiences" that are brought on by an obsession rather than a genuine haunting.

I said it in the other thread, but I don't think Jay and Grant would fake evidence. Their clients call them for help. Why would they fake evidence in an investigation that is there to help their clients? They are not experts, nor do they have all the answers. But they are still human and just because they are on TV doesn't mean they can't make mistakes. The errors people find are just simple mistakes. Human error. That is how we learn and improve.

Perhaps the show has just gotten so big that they probably don't even care anymore who questions them about it. Just my two sense.

honestly man how do we know that the people that we see call them on the show are not hired actors??? I mean they hire an actress to be on the cast, be open minded. Do you think Jerry Springer is real?

We don't know... we'll probably never know. Its just a show.

But you can't compare Ghost Hunters to Jerry Springer! LOL...

My thing is, TAPS are the closest thing we have that portrays our field properly. All these other shows like Most Haunted and PRS are just horrible. If they didn't have the added drama or staged scenes this question of them faking evidence probably would never come up. Though, it does give the show some personality. I think if they explained their intentions with the creation of the show in the first place it would answer a lot of questions. Because they are the closest thing to portraying the field properly, I give them much respect for that. They keep things in check.

sure i would, this has nothing to do with there stupid little skits like i have said 104034723408723408957230845723495 times they let things slide now that they never used to plain and simple. I don’t think TAPS does this stuff like i said a trillion times before i believe it is network related. Do you not read my posts??? The formula is very simple Evidence = Viewers, Viewers = Ratings, Ratings = MONEY for the network!!!!! lets reverse this formula, no more evidence = possible less viewers, possible less viewers = lower ratings, lower ratings = a decrease in money for the network, which isn’t good for sci fi is it. Anything off camera and cases they do when they are not shooting seasons I believe they are honest and genuine, anything done for the show I believe is exaggerated and possibly fabricated.

What I don't get, and I may not be alone in this, but how do we know TAPS is the one portraying this field properly? That is a rather large assumption based on nothing being proven. This is including methods, terminology, blah blah blah. So no group portrays this field correctly or incorrectly, they are....just doing what they do.

Regardless of how TAPS does things or if they fake their evidence, people are wasting wayyyyyy too much thought on not only this but on TAPS themselves.

I'd imagine someone's lips being chapped with as much butt kissing that goes on regarding TAPS.

I respect them but I don't kiss their butt! LOL...

But you are right. We don't know what is right or wrong. We don't know who is portraying our field correctly.
I do think TAPS is pretty close though. compared to the rest of the shows out there?

If that were it I'd give the priest his due.

But we were told when the preist and his wife (so he isn't Catholic) came to the house they immediately "felt" several spirits, including at least 3 demons. The woman said the priest performed an exocism and was able (according to the priets) get ride of 2 of the 3 demons. But the 3rd one, really nasty one, is still there.

I think the priest (if he really is one altogether) is feeding this woman's paranoia and fears.

Did anyone just catch the new episode bout the place where people reported seeing the blue lady?? they caught the one place for faked haunting the moving chandiler, sounds, and face in mirror and all of the stuff their was staged from years ago it was placed in their to make it seem haunted and they were utterly dissapointed, BUSTED!!!! not TAPS but the place lol

You have to go back to seasons 1&2(the first part at least). That was IMO true TAPS, as much as could be shown on a 1 hour TV show. After that the show became more crafted to audience appeal. It happens with reality shows. Do you think Survivor the people are really surviving anything?!

As to the representation of the field, what other representation is better? Would like a show such as certain others where someone goes around "feeling" entities to represent our field? Do you want a show where people adorn themselves with crucifixes, read Biblical passages and shake holy water over everything to represent the field? How about a show that uses Tarrot cards, crystal balls, or scrying as representation of the field?

No. TAPS and GH do an excellent job of representing the current state of the field and the ideals for going forward. Of course there will be some disagreement. There always is. When you're the leader someone is always taking shots at you.

In spite of all the cricism of GH and TAPS here and on other boards I have yet to see someone else hold up another group (or show) as a better example of the field. That says it all.