There is substantive proof of a long history of weather modification, and climatic control, as well as chemtrail spraying in order to effect weather and climatic control..

In 1986 Crispen Tickell (a high level atmospheric scientist / administrator) wrote the following in his paper "Climatic Change and World Affairs." which is online at :

"The first would be designed to cover all major experiments by governments (or those for whom they were responsible) which were intended to test the behaviour of the climate or which might inadvertently do so. There would be obvious problems over the definition of what should count as a major experiment. This difficulty arose in the negotiation of the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or any other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques of 1977: how should we interpret "... environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects ..."?

http://www.crispintickell.com/page77.html

It is important to note if you actually look up the Convention on the Prohibition of Military and any other hostile Use of Environmental Modification Technique (a UN Paper) - it will state right in the framework agreement that weather modification is permitted (as long as it is for peaceful purposes).

http://www.opcw.org/html/db/cwc/more/enmod.html

Crispin if you actuall take the time to read his 'call for action' you will quckly see a number of high level weather modification experiments that have been conducted in the past - he specifically mentions the following..

"Examples of activities which should come within this category are experiments in rainmaking and control of hail storms over a defined area; attempts to disperse hurricanes and typhoons; systematic towing of icebergs away from polar waters to supply fresh water to arid regions; and putting certain objects into space (such as the needles placed in orbit by the United States several years ago against protests from many scientists). Some such experiments might be of scientific value and economic benefit, and might deserve full international encouragement and support. The purpose of an agreement would not be to frustrate them, but simply to ensure that their implications were properly considered and understood in time. "

Think about what you just read,

1. Examples of activities (weather modification) were listed as follows.
- Towing Iceburgs
- Water diversion
- Cloud Seeding to trigger rain or control of hail storms
- NEEDLES PLACED IN ORBIT.

Hold on here, did you just read that correctly, he is talking about orbital satellites that can effect weather modification, and that many scientists were highly opposed to this. What is this 'needles placed in orbit' bit - by the US (probably the military)

You see the information is all there, just go to the top of our scientific circles and read what they wrote.

US Militarys Plan for Total Weather Dominance.

Barnes, a consultant on the Air Force study, calmly outlined the history of the U.S. military’s weather modification programs and what would be needed for future fully-integrated weather modification capabilities. The good doctor referenced the document "Spacecast 2020," later updated in "Weather As A Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025," which noted that "Atmospheric scientists have pursued terrestrial weather modification in earnest since the 1940’s. . . . Space presents us with a new arena, technology provides new opportunities. . . "

While Spacecast 2020 had analyzed "the difficulty, cost and risk of developing a weather control system for military applications" as "extremely high," Barnes offered a different perspective. He saw "opportunities to capitalize on investment militarily [as] Medium/High" while the "Political implications/health hazards [were] Medium/Low."

http://www.willthomas.net/chemtrails/Artic...her_Warfare.htm

in 2007 it got better a secretive bill was passed establishing a 11 member panel - and the Bill was stated as follows "“Weather Mitigation Research and Development Policy Authorization Act of 2007”

Here are some details of it : bills were not referred to Committees on Agriculture, Natural Resources, the Environmental Protection Agency, or Forestry, and that you were not invited to debate the merits of these bills by your elected representatives.

“It is the purpose of this act to develop and implement a comprehensive and coordinated national weather mitigation policy and a national cooperative Federal and State program of weather mitigation and research.”

http://www.newswithviews.com/Peterson/rosalind8.htm

I believe there is no real proof of Chemtrails. Contrails are easily explained by moisture and the turbulence of a plane passing. Contrails DO affect the weather, as they provide some shading that otherwise would not be happening.


Anyone that can control space can alter the weather by controlling the amount of sunlight that reaches the planet. It would be a gargantuan effort, but it is feasable.

I read a article the other day about the Chinese are using cannon with chemical loads for cloud seeding. They are trying to control the local weather in very localized areas for the Olympics. Personally, I don't like the politics of this Olympics, the torch only touched down in North America in one location for a couple hours. Also it only stopped in one location in each of South America, Australia and Africa. It ran all around Europe and Asia.

I think that this is better suited to the Conspiracies & Secret Societies forum, where it can join dozens of similar topics, rather than the Science & Technology forum.

Hope they use it in places that really need it. Spraying salt on clouds makes it rain, right? Is that weather manipulation?

good to know im not the only one, jesus people open your freaking eyes!!!!

Or, rather, close them, if you don't want the ChemTrails to get you.

Try this one for weather manipulation anomaly...

Graham Hancock Forum

Are our governments developing a secret technology to control the weather? Glenn Kreisberg investigates.

By the end of the last hurricane season, 30 November, several news sources made the observation that NO major hurricane struck or threatened the US during 2006. A quick check of weather records shows that this is a somewhat anomalous event with very few occurrences historically. Of course anomalies of science and nature demand our attention in an attempt to discover an explanation for and understanding of, the unexplained....

Major weather patterns involve conditions in the area of the mid-pacific ocean. How on earth does anyone control that?

Bunk!

people like Tesla and Teller were already speaking of weather modification many years ago.. i suppose it's a bit like trying to convince a cavman that a 747 can fly..?

One thing is describing the mechanisms required to incur weather modifications; a completely different matter is realizing the technology to actually do it. I don't remember seeing either of the referenced gentlemen ever getting into the latter.

Cheers,
Badeskov

Project West Ford was a USAF attempt to place a cloud of needles in orbit as a passive communications reflection system. After a failed attempt in 1961, they succeeded in 1963. There was considerable opposition to the test, particularly from radio astronomers who saw the needles as blocking their reception of cosmic radio sources. The needles decayed from orbit in 1966 and the test has not been repeated.

Nothing to do with the weather.

A good place to start would be to look up something called project HAARP

CrispIn Tickell is not a scientist at all.
He is an historian, and a diplomat, with no scientific background whatsoever.
He believes alot, through his own self-education...but he is not an acknowledged authority on subjects scientific.

More proof can be found within Bernard Eastlund's research and patents which are the basis of the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program, or HAARP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Eastlund

Here's a short expose on HAARP-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkLTzesBxGE...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi1nLmlicxU...feature=related
That is two 7 minute parts.

Benjamin Fulford explains his view of the conspiracy angle here-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InV0cVH6KZc

It all seems very plausible once you tie all the angles together. And it seems like a sinister plan just waiting to backfire on us all.

I'm always automatically suspicious of anything that contains the word "proof".


Funny, that. I always thought Huricane Katrina was caused by them in furtherance of their evil aims...



(n.b. I am being satirical.)

Snooze...there hasn't been any proof to date. You can't have "more" proof without some to begin with.
Crispin Tickell's musings are just that; musings...by someone with no formal education in the subject area.

Any CT is designed to be plausible sounding. For God's sake, the Moon hoax nonsense is plausible sounding...unless of course you happen to presenting the nonsense to someone who knows about the facts.

The problem is, HAARP has already been discussed, and it has absolutely nothing to do with weather manipulation. That's nonsense.

The whole weather manipulation thing is ridiculous, and somewhat associated with the notion than man in his puniness has any effect on the weather or the climatological system of THE PLANET whatsoever. He does not, and cannot.

Besides, if he did actually have an effect, why wouldn't man-made global warming have been remedied by the Tesla oriented climatological modifications that seem to be going on at HAARP?

Hell, if they can modify the weather...why haven't they simply fixed the whole mess man has made?


Simple:

Man hasn't made a mess, and he has no control over the climate...

Granted, a patent and research don't exactly point to solid gold truth.

I really think that their is a long history of providing bits and pieces and simple half-truths to the public by the scientific community. There are numerous motives to do so. Money and power are usually the main reasons.

I don't necessarily believe that the moon landing was hoaxed. It wouldn't surprise me though. There are many compelling explanations that could lead one to believe it was fabricated. The official explanation is quite compelling as well. Especially since it is so integrated into the American psyche. The only people who really know are the people who were there. I wasn't there, so the best I can judge is by others accounts of either what really happened or what some people think what happened. You can find people with inside knowledge on both sides of the fence regarding that issue. So what makes what true? Hard to say.

As far as HAARP goes- I find it hard to believe their slick as snot pr agent. What is a public relations guy anyway but another term for a lobbyist? Instead of lobbying public servants, a pr agent lobbies public sentiment. For what end? Also, anything funded and/or initiated by DARPA should be highly suspect.

My job and many others are directly and immediately impacted by what the weather is going to do. If I had unlimited resources to install a system in order to control the weather, I definitely would. As soon as possible. I really doubt I'm the only one who ever thought of that.

I think they have discovered a way to do it. For deniable military applications first and foremost. Helping the world? I doubt it. I could be wrong and there could be a perfectly logical explanation for all the strange weather I've witnessed just in the last 5 years.

I just don't know why people dismiss everything without fully thinking through the possibilities. For all the CTs who do real research, they are only countered by one pr man. It really doesn't add up.

The problem is that you're not actually going to find anyone with "inside knowledge" on the hoax side of the fence. The people with "inside knowledge" actually have knowledge. People with knowledge know what happened, and how.

What you do find are people who claim to have knowedge that really don't, and who create what appears to be compelling evidence to the contrary--to many--save those who actually posess the knowledge to see the fallacies clearly (they are not difficult to spot--they are glaring).





HAARP has no association with DARPA. HAARP is an unclassified scientific research project designed to increase knowledge of the Ionosphere and its effects--effects which can have far-reaching consequences for civilian and military space applications pertaining to communications and navigation. It is managed jointly by the Air Force Research Lab and the Office of Naval Research, which is logical since some of our best technological and scientific resources reside in our military...especially the Air Force.

HAARP is not a military applications project. It's discoveries may benefit both military and civilian applications. There's a difference.




Well, you may think they've discovered a way to modify weather. And you may rest assured that you're certainly not the only one who's thought of the idea. The evidence, however, doesn't seem to indicate that, since if they could, we should most assuredly have seen some evidence of it in military applications. We haven't. We still ground sorties due to bad weather where necessary, etc...

As to strange weather in the past 5 years...I'd need some explanation of that.
We've seen hurricanes...some seasons heavy, some light. We've seen tornadoes, we've seen floods, we've seen snow fall in places, and none in others...but I find it stuff that happens every year, some place, and generally speaking...in the same places.

We do have a profound tendency anymore to see weather in terms of some ulterior purpose...it must have a reason that we can put our finger on easily. We've gone far enough with this inflated sense of human importance in relation to the planet that we've actually formulated hypotheses which state than man is responsible for elevated temperatures world wide--despite the fact that the trend has reversed itself profoundly in the past year and a half or so (no explanation for the "good news", but plenty for the bad stuff!). We blame a President for a massive hurricane season...yet we certainly don't credit him with virtually eliminating it in the subsequent two years (of course, he was responsible for neither extreme).

It's all wierd psychological nonsense. Weather is. Its study is certainly interesting...but it happens sometimes, and sometimes it doesn't. It's all nominal Earth behavior. The fact is, we don't have a great understanding of Earth's behavior in many areas. Science is working on it as best it can...but most of the nonsensical ideas and perceptions concerning weather are non-scientific, and rooted in human self-importance. I've said it before; I'll say it again: The Earth doesn't care about humanity. It does what it does without regard or concern for the tiny, microsocpic presence that lives on its surface. It doesn't have to deal with us--we have to deal with it. That involves understanding her--but that understanding is not aided by silly speculations based on nothing.

A hurricane, for instance, simply is. It's coming...we can track it. We can tell how strong it is and tell how strong it's going to be and even make a fair approximation of where it's going. But we can't stop it, and we can't move it, and we can't do a thing about it. It is not interested in what we think or do. It is not evil, and it is not vicious. Those are traits we assign. It simply is the Earth doing its normal thing. Hell...we can't stop a small rain shower. We can't make a thunderstorm head south, we can't direct rain from places that have enough to places that need some, and we sure as hell can't make the weather nice for an attack on the battlefield when there's a cold front moving into the area...nor can we cause a dust storm to inhibit an enemy's movement.



I don't know who "one PR man" is...further, I am dying to find out what CT-er has actually done some honest research.
CT-ers are generally countered by people possessed of subject matter knowledge that the CT doesn't have, and in most cases, doesn't want to have. The knowledge lends rationality and critical thinking skills which CTs, by and large, are lacking in.

What really doesn't add up is the fabrication by so many these days, of outlandish "theories" about all sorts of things for which specific knowledge is available, but largely ignored by them!

HAARP, for instance, has nothing to do with meteorologic research. HAARP is also a non-military application. HAARP has no relation to DARPA, which is involved in military applications. How Tesla (who never had a weather modification technology) has become associated with it in some minds, and how the fabrication of these wild ideas comes from absolutely no evidence whatsoever, is frequently mind-numbing.

Dont get me wrong, I obviously have serious doubts regarding the OP, but why would they want to solve global warming? Then they couldnt impliment a carbon tax that well on its way

An excellent point!

As, indeed, with everything, it seems. Nothing just happens anymore... there must always be some sinister motive behind it. And the one behind it all is, of course, the president of the USA. What his motives actually are, seems rarely to be spelled out; just that, well, he's evil. And once you've established that, you don't need to worry about motives or even any further explanation of your theories.