According to NASA, the ESA and others the two new red spots that have been spotted on Jupiter is attributed to large scale climate change. They say that Jupiter is getting warmer near it's equator ... Ummm solar cycle????
Find this article at: www. antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080523.html
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Thought so ... 
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QUOTE (bleach @ May 23 2008, 01:58 PM) 
thanks
QUOTE (bogcreeper @ May 23 2008, 05:36 PM)
According to NASA, the ESA and others the two new red spots that have been spotted on Jupiter is attributed to large scale climate change. They say that Jupiter is getting warmer near it's equator ... Ummm solar cycle????
Find this article at: www. antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080523.html
For some reason link is not working .. yet it is the right link???
Just type in the link and sorry.
By the way it's .gsfc the g looks like a q for some reason
Find this article at: www. antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080523.html
For some reason link is not working .. yet it is the right link???
Just type in the link and sorry.
By the way it's .gsfc the g looks like a q for some reason
QUOTE (bleach @ May 23 2008, 06:58 PM)
And this is what it says.......plus there's a fantastic picture.
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Explanation: For about 300 years Jupiter's banded atmosphere has shown a remarkable feature to telescopic viewers, a large swirling storm system known as The Great Red Spot. In 2006, another red storm system appeared, actually seen to form as smaller whitish oval-shaped storms merged and then developed the curious reddish hue. Now, Jupiter has a third red spot, again produced from a smaller whitish storm. All three are seen in this image made from data recorded on May 9 and 10 with the Hubble Space Telescope's Wide Field and Planetary Camera 2. The spots extend above the surrounding clouds and their red color may be due to deeper material dredged up by the storms and exposed to ultraviolet light, but the exact chemical process is still unknown. For scale, the Great Red Spot has almost twice the diameter of planet Earth, making both new spots less than one Earth-diameter across. The newest red spot is on the far left (west), along the same band of clouds as the Great Red Spot and is drifting toward it. If the motion continues, the new spot will encounter the much larger storm system in August. Jupiter's recent outbreak of red spots is likely related to large scale climate change as the gas giant planet is getting warmer near the equator.
Yes...it seems that the notion that 'climate change' is confined to earth and that humans cause it, it
definitely shifting....
QUOTE (bee @ May 23 2008, 07:44 PM)
Yes...it seems that the notion that 'climate change' is confined to earth and that humans cause it, it
definitely shifting....
definitely shifting....
... but not by the climatologists or the astronomers.
Jupiter's weather systems are driven primarily by internal temperature NOT by the Sun. Jupiter generates far more het than it recieves from the Sun and so climate change on Jupiter is unlikely to be as a result of the solar cycle.
QUOTE (bee @ May 23 2008, 07:44 PM)
Yes...it seems that the notion that 'climate change' is confined to earth and that humans cause it, it
definitely shifting....
definitely shifting....
... but not by the climatologists or the astronomers.
Jupiter's weather systems are driven primarily by internal temperature NOT by the Sun. Jupiter generates far more heat than it receives from the Sun and so climate change on Jupiter is unlikely to be as a result of the solar cycle.
QUOTE (Waspie_Dwarf @ May 23 2008, 08:26 PM)
Is it possible for a thread to mention the word climate with out the "man kind isn't responsible" brigade to appear I wonder?
And I wonder if your remarks mean that you believe that man is responsible for earth's climate change.
The subject has been 'done to death' but there's a lot more mileage in it yet as everything 'hots' up...
QUOTE (bee @ May 23 2008, 08:36 PM)
And I wonder if your remarks mean that you believe that man is responsible for earth's climate change.
I removed that remark as I had second thoughts about it. Unfortuanately you were typing as I edited my post.
This is not about belief it is about evidence. There is considerable evidence for man made climate change and very little or none for any of the alternatives put forward. Since I am not an expert on the Earth's climate I listen to those that are. Those that are experts in this field mostly accept that climate change is at least partially caused by human activities I do the intelligent thing and accept the opinion of those that actually know what they are talking about, rather than those that, to me, seem to be presenting the, "it wasn't me, I didn't do it" argument.
You are right, it has been done to death so can we please discuss Jupiter in this thread from now on and leave Earth's climate change to the zillion other repetitive threads which already infest much of this site?
QUOTE (Waspie_Dwarf @ May 23 2008, 08:49 PM)
I removed that remark as I had second thoughts about it. Unfortuanately you were typing as I edited my post.
You are right, it has been done to death so can we please discuss Jupiter in this thread from now on and leave Earth's climate change to the zillion other repetitive threads which already infest much of this site?
You are right, it has been done to death so can we please discuss Jupiter in this thread from now on and leave Earth's climate change to the zillion other repetitive threads which already infest much of this site?
I was just responding to the thread title and the opening post......anyway.....you've probably just killed
this thread with your attitude....
QUOTE (bee @ May 23 2008, 09:59 PM)
you've probably just killed
this thread with your attitude....
this thread with your attitude....
I hope not. I hope that a topic in the Space and Astronomy section will discuss a Space and Astronomy subject. I don't think that is much to ask for is it?
Just a topical question here, but could the impact of Schumaker-Levy a few years ago have anything to do with these two new storm systems?
QUOTE (seffy @ May 23 2008, 11:55 PM)
Just a topical question here, but could the impact of Schumaker-Levy a few years ago have anything to do with these two new storm systems?
Although the impacts were massive by Earthly standards they really only produced a scratch on Jupiter. With no solid surface an impact with Jupiter produces no permanent effects, merely a localised disturbance in weather patterns. The amount of energy generated by the impacts, although impressive as it occurred in short bursts, it was minuscule compare to the internal energy of Jupiter in athe long run.
It's more than 14 yeas since Shoemaker-Levy 9 made its mark, it would seem inconceivable that it could still be effecting Jupiter now.
Wow, so those other two white storm spots in the picture could also become these larger red storms?
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QUOTE (Waspie_Dwarf @ May 23 2008, 07:26 PM)
... but not by the climatologists or the astronomers.
Jupiter's weather systems are driven primarily by internal temperature NOT by the Sun. Jupiter generates far more heat than it receives from the Sun and so climate change on Jupiter is unlikely to be as a result of the solar cycle.
Jupiter's weather systems are driven primarily by internal temperature NOT by the Sun. Jupiter generates far more heat than it receives from the Sun and so climate change on Jupiter is unlikely to be as a result of the solar cycle.
well if you think about it, the sun is supposed to be getting warmer giving jupiter a heat boost, making it warmer causing climate change on jupiter. and the same goes on other planets,global warming on earth for example. by this point im probably starting to go way off the main subject.
QUOTE (dr alien @ May 25 2008, 07:16 PM)
well if you think about it, the sun is supposed to be getting warmer giving jupiter a heat boost, making it warmer causing climate change on jupiter.
Actually the latest evidence is that the Sun is producing fewer Sun Spots than normal, which has in the past lead to a reduction in heat from the Sun (look up the Maunder Minimum to see what I mean). If this is the case then neither Jupiter's possible climate change nor that of the Earth's can be cause by solar output.
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