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Dragon Seeker
What do you think of them?

What are some of your views about them?

Do you so have any stories that you might wish to share?

Its just something i've wondered about, i've heard tales about people with a "voice" inside there head, and its really interesting to me, could you help me out?
Shankpin
Well, you are talking about dissociative Identity disorder (DID). It's part of the personality disorders in the DSM. It's not voices in the person's head.. It's black outs. They develop these personalities through years of extreme horrible abuse. For example; Linda may develop sally without knowing, as linda was being sexually abused through her early childhood. So, when Linda would encounter a situation of sexual abuse, or feel threatened sexually, Sally's personality would take over to deal with that trauma, so Linda wouldn't have too.
A person can develop as many personalities as needed to cope with certain situations where they (host) are being threatened.
When a person's other personality takes over, they are NOT aware of this, they blank out for that period of time.

DID is extremely rare.

Many disorders can cause "voices" in the head.. One being Schizophrenia.. which has nothing to do with DID.
Mr Walker
I think shankpin covered the basics quite well, although its a very complex area.

In a way almost everyone has a split personality, except that the personalities are consciously created and mostly kept under conscious control.

These might better be described as personas. For example, if you talk to different peolple in different situations about the same person you might get widely differing descriptions from home, work and recreational colleagues.

This is because many people adapt their personalities to situations around them . A sort of psychological "situational camouflage" to help them fit into their environments. If the environments they inhabit are different enough, they can develop quite different personalities for each of them.

Also, ive always thought that every one has at lest one voice inside their head.

Human consciousness includes a quite coherent inner monologue, which can also become a dialogue or even a group discussion as the brain sorts through difficult or new concepts and applies differnt parts of its intelligence to dealing with them.

Thus, our minds may hear a voice based on emotion, one based on rationality, one cautious and one wanting to take risks.

Our mind processes this and delivers it (at least in my case) as an inner monologue dialogue whatever, outlining options, assessing and weighing evidence, making threat assessments, and carriying out cost benefit analysis. True i was taught to do this ;at home, in school and through university, particularly in psychology, but the inner ability was there, from memory, from a very young age.

The voices in their heads that schitzophrenics and others hear are probably just the same voice, but due to the physical/chemical nature of the disease the processing and rationality of the mind is affected, and instead of coming out with "sane and rational" viewpoints as"normal" people do, those sufferers hear a different end result in their heads. It seems logical and perfectly sane to them but it can often be corrected by restoring a normal chemical balance inthe brain and possibly in the future by physical.
intervention in the brain.

My best guess as a lay person is that subconsciously, or in a part of their brain, some of these people recognise that this voice is not really their "own' (They know and understand that as a normal sane human being they would not be thinking these things or in this manner).

They thus "hear" it, and say that they hear it, as a voice from outside. Thats why (and i have actually met people like this, they put tinfoil all through their roofing cavity, or wear a tinfoil skull cap to prevent the voices from entering into their brains.

They cannot accept that they could be the source of the voices.

Yea yea all you regular readers, I am fully cognizant of the apparent irony in these observations. lol

If these voices bring you the cross lotto numbers, or save you from being run over by a truck, especially on a regular basis, and do no other harm in your life, in fact enhance it considerably, then my advice is to accept them, unless like me, you really want to find a logical explanation for how such things are possible.
Watchful
What is this topic doing in this forum? It's a medical condition, not spiritual one.
Dragon Seeker
Idk i just thought it would best suit this area seeing as some see it as religious in a way but thanks for the bit of info

is there anymore you can tell me?
annsie
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ May 25 2008, 01:22 PM) *
Idk i just thought it would best suit this area seeing as some see it as religious in a way but thanks for the bit of info

is there anymore you can tell me?



Its not religious at all, it is a medical condition and it is treatable. I live with one and he is undergoing treatment.

Voices in head can be simply a persons own thoughts which occured at the same time the brain cells in the auditory area are firing ( abnormally ) so they are perceived by the persons mind as spoken voices.
Dragon Seeker
QUOTE (annsie @ May 25 2008, 04:28 AM) *
Its not religious at all, it is a medical condition and it is treatable. I live with one and he is undergoing treatment.

Voices in head can be simply a persons own thoughts which occured at the same time the brain cells in the auditory area are firing ( abnormally ) so they are perceived by the persons mind as spoken voices.



Well then could you direct me to the proper forum?
Bee Eff
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ May 24 2008, 01:47 PM) *
What do you think of them?

What are some of your views about them?

Do you so have any stories that you might wish to share?

Its just something i've wondered about, i've heard tales about people with a "voice" inside there head, and its really interesting to me, could you help me out?

I am a Behavioral Psychologist, or for a better label Behavior Analyst. This is the school of thought that B.F. Skinner subscribed to and developed.

I will describe my opinion concerning Dissociative Identity Dissorder through a narrative that describes a possible forming of these "other" personalities.

We have Susie. Susie is a young child, probably in her pre-teens. Susie is exposed to something that traumatic. Susie has had a history of trauma being associated with an undesirable state of affairs for herself, possible some form of discpline through punishment. Susie thus attempts to avoid punishment by stating that she does not remember the traumatic event. When pressured she more and more confidently states that she does not remember the event. At some point before or following this instance Susie witnesses another youth doing something wrong. Susie is accused by an adult or other authority figure of doing the wrong deed, she states the truth, so-and-so did it. A few weeks later Susie does something improper, she then states that it was someone else, a make believe person. The excuse is plausible and believed. Susie, over years of experience, has these behaviors strongly reinforced, possibly to the point that Susie is nearly completely incapable of actually remembering events she claims to have "forgotten". Eventually her "good" behaviors and her "bad" behaviors achieve the awareness of someone close to her. She then resorts to the previously reinforced behaviors of shifting blame and "forgetting". This situation is different though, it requires that she shift the blame to herself. Thus, she creates the make-believe alter ego. This alter ego is reinforced by someone, perhaps a psychologist that is intrigued by the possibility and, without intending to, subtly reinforces the behavior. The alternate "personality" thus becomes more and more reinforced. When the alternate "personality" is present she is no longer bound by the rules that have governed her in the past, she can be anything she wishes, she can "remember" everything, all without concern for consequences. This is an intensely reinforcing thing for Susie as she has been hiding som much for so long.

Thus, Susie manifests two separate "personalities", and such is very difficult to alter as far as behavior goes. Susie does in fact need help, but does she really have "multiple personalities"? I do not know, perhaps, perhaps not. Such behaviors could have such a long history that even if she were faking it there would be no possibility of an observer discerning such. Personally, I believe that the "multiple personalities" are merely reinforced patterns of behaviors and the individual actually is whole and singular in "personality" while exhibitting extraordinary, and perceived conflicting, behavioral extremes given proper stimuli.

I have had the opportunity of observing two cases of Dissociative Identity Dissorder. My observations have not altered my views on the subject.
Dragon Seeker
QUOTE (Bee Eff @ May 26 2008, 04:56 AM) *
I am a Behavioral Psychologist, or for a better label Behavior Analyst. This is the school of thought that B.F. Skinner subscribed to and developed.

I will describe my opinion concerning Dissociative Identity Dissorder through a narrative that describes a possible forming of these "other" personalities.

We have Susie. Susie is a young child, probably in her pre-teens. Susie is exposed to something that traumatic. Susie has had a history of trauma being associated with an undesirable state of affairs for herself, possible some form of discpline through punishment. Susie thus attempts to avoid punishment by stating that she does not remember the traumatic event. When pressured she more and more confidently states that she does not remember the event. At some point before or following this instance Susie witnesses another youth doing something wrong. Susie is accused by an adult or other authority figure of doing the wrong deed, she states the truth, so-and-so did it. A few weeks later Susie does something improper, she then states that it was someone else, a make believe person. The excuse is plausible and believed. Susie, over years of experience, has these behaviors strongly reinforced, possibly to the point that Susie is nearly completely incapable of actually remembering events she claims to have "forgotten". Eventually her "good" behaviors and her "bad" behaviors achieve the awareness of someone close to her. She then resorts to the previously reinforced behaviors of shifting blame and "forgetting". This situation is different though, it requires that she shift the blame to herself. Thus, she creates the make-believe alter ego. This alter ego is reinforced by someone, perhaps a psychologist that is intrigued by the possibility and, without intending to, subtly reinforces the behavior. The alternate "personality" thus becomes more and more reinforced. When the alternate "personality" is present she is no longer bound by the rules that have governed her in the past, she can be anything she wishes, she can "remember" everything, all without concern for consequences. This is an intensely reinforcing thing for Susie as she has been hiding som much for so long.

Thus, Susie manifests two separate "personalities", and such is very difficult to alter as far as behavior goes. Susie does in fact need help, but does she really have "multiple personalities"? I do not know, perhaps, perhaps not. Such behaviors could have such a long history that even if she were faking it there would be no possibility of an observer discerning such. Personally, I believe that the "multiple personalities" are merely reinforced patterns of behaviors and the individual actually is whole and singular in "personality" while exhibitting extraordinary, and perceived conflicting, behavioral extremes given proper stimuli.

I have had the opportunity of observing two cases of Dissociative Identity Dissorder. My observations have not altered my views on the subject.



Interseting story thank you, but i have a question

the famous wrestler Dustin Roads (aka Goldust) seems to have this "split personality" called "Black Regin" now im wondering weather this is for real or just some gimic the Profesional Wrestling cooked up to get some more money, what do you think?
Caana
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ May 24 2008, 07:47 PM) *
What do you think of them?

What are some of your views about them?

Do you so have any stories that you might wish to share?

Its just something i've wondered about, i've heard tales about people with a "voice" inside there head, and its really interesting to me, could you help me out?


Most people think they have two personality's, whether they aknowledge the second one or not, depends on how they look at it. The one's who look at it as if it is a disease, won't ever discover it, because they block it out with drugs/denial/but those never really work, it just comes back stronger. The same with beliefs in general. When you believe something, you live the fantasy of that belief, whether you call it normal life, or not. Why the religious hide from it, and call it crazy through their various, what is normal, descriptions, that are their own fantasy's of what things are.

There are three seperate personality's that are the same person, those i call, self, realself, and realtrueself. The religious call the three different people seperate, and teach it as that, and why so many of them are suseptable to their own superstitions they call belief, and the faith that is from those beliefs{make their own/others nightmares, in the pursuit of what they think is good}. Though i call them by seperate descriptors, they share the same mind.

Self is the second person, realself is the first person{selfs real you} and realtrue self is just that, he who is real, of which realself looks the same, as well as self, though distorted because of the fourth world. I don't put a number on realtrueself, just think of it as there never being a zero, the value starting with who's real, as there has never been a null/zero sum. How that translates as far as the thoughts behind it. It also changes the different times that people have calculated from the mayan calender. On the original, there was what people called a shell looking thing, and they thought it represented zero. What it was, was the representation of mind, the mind of the very real person that this reality is generated from. Why they had their successive world theory's. Reality's within reality's.

Go back to Alexanders time now. When i had first figured out, and known these names, i called them in the order i had learned of them. Ca,a,na Ca'ana, Ana. The spelling was a bit off for me, because at the time i had discovered them, and the way i had, i seemingly did'nt think of the spelling that much/it is how they sounded when i first heard them.. Take the movie, the good one everyone religious booed. When Alexanders father had taken him down to the cave to show him the painting's depicting the story of the god's. Whoever had taken care of that detail, knew their stuff.

The two boy's that were the two gods, before the third boy}. He came from them. He is their son in a sense. His world is what the people had, before the avent of the fourth world. The serpent/female/biology/genetics. Anyway, each of them are he who is real, in their own reality's, and this one, for they are the same person. Just to give you further idea. Whats supposed to be happening now, and it's even reflected in the calender, is that those reality's are reaserting themselves, and why this one is going to change.

The name of the three gods were, starting from he who is real, Ana, K'ana, Kana. The lord of Atlantis he is, from that mythology, which was the third world, and incidently, is Adan/Adam in the christian mythology, for the fourth world. I mention this all, because it does have something to do with split personality's, and even the ones termed as multiple personality's. Fourth world people that came from the third, because it's the fourth world, and death is what happens here, are reborn, or live different lives as other versions of themselves, kept ignorent of that because of universal creator/religions/beliefs/faith.

Unless those people ground themselves with who they really are, then many are some version of what could be considered crazy. Why in the older religions, they said the way out is through yourself. Not in how nice/bad you are, for we are human, and are balanced with that, but that you asked yourself those questions, because only yourself will answer them. Of course you had to know what the truth was in order to do that, and that yourself will never lie to you. And why such knowledge is hidden by religions, and those who control them. The one who had created the fourth world was an artificial alien thing, what is called the beast by the people who are of Adan/Adam. As they are all from the third world. It did'nt like that, why it had it's own beast/human creations.

The result of all this are the tales of religion, and what is called myth. As ignorence grew from religions purpose of making the third world people forget, and punish them through the imaginary illusions of heaven and hell between each life. All the multiple personality disorders from going through the torture chambers of the beast/slaves/servants, are still having a residual effect with some of the personality disorders from the different personality's of self{other seeming lives that share your mind, for they were all you}

What most who call themselves sensatives do, is fall into one or more of these three catagories, Religion/spiritualist/spiritual, and why each is a thriving business. Within each are fantasy tales of love/hate whatnot, full of codes of behaviours according to the different beliefs generated from those catagories. All three have a distorted perspective of what is, in the end, simply yourself{which really is human} Part of the nature of the fourth world cage, is that after you die, you go through simulated sequences of aventures in whatever genere you may have idolized, all of course, ending in severe tragedy's. Exacting the extremes of human emotions. The wheel of time, which the beast has been erased from, and coming to an end, after revenge upon the beast/humans which served it's will. Anyway, the histories all go like that, and the entire point of it all, is that the fourth world is coming to an end, and more, and more people are developing what they think to be personality disorders.

Which are an effect from what is happening, in what is considered by it's inhabitants generally, to be the only reality, or they have no clue, and have been led by the "beasts" shall we say, to apostisize the very person they were supposed to believe in to begin with, themselves. Anyway, a lot of what are called personality disorders are pretty much configured around those three the most, in whatever branch or denomination{what a word to say? grin2.gif } of each of them. Trapped by their own fantasy's of beliefs/faith's, and the thing's that are supposedly nessasary to maintain them/impose them on others through situation/choice.

It's enough to drive an ignorent man crazy is'nt it? huh.gif add in the prophecy's which are being distorted by the religious, and that it's all supposed to mean what they say it is{they got some balls huh? grin2.gif } Kana is the one who is vilified by them all, he who the beasts of old hated, because he was the one called pock.

Anyways, what split personality's?, their all the same person you know wink2.gif
my_psychosis
Have you ever read the book Sybil? It is a true story of a woman with 16 different personalities. I highly recommend it. The movie is pretty good to, though the book covers much much more.
Bee Eff
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ May 26 2008, 08:13 PM) *
Interseting story thank you, but i have a question

the famous wrestler Dustin Roads (aka Goldust) seems to have this "split personality" called "Black Regin" now im wondering weather this is for real or just some gimic the Profesional Wrestling cooked up to get some more money, what do you think?

I don't know, but I bet it's gimic.
Bee Eff
QUOTE (my_psychosis @ May 27 2008, 08:53 AM) *
Have you ever read the book Sybil? It is a true story of a woman with 16 different personalities. I highly recommend it. The movie is pretty good to, though the book covers much much more.

It is good, but the conclusions reached may or may not be accurate.
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