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Watchful
QUOTE (JustNormal @ May 25 2008, 08:32 PM) *
Thanks Watchful..I see the orb in motion, or thats what it looks like to me. GOOD JOB!!!!! JN
Thanks.
It's kind of freaking me out, in a calm way. Do you think it could be dust? Although, I have gone down to the living room since then, and many times I even glanced at the sun rays coming into the back window of the room. Nothing. I still remember back in taking that first picture, looking through the view finder of my digital camera and being startled at a flash reflecting at something so close in front of me. I just thought to take the picture of my living room, about some years later from the original pict, and just see if any of you guys notice anything. Lo and behold, I did! The second picture nothing, and that was taken seconds after the first one. I don't see anything, but does anyone see anything in the second picture?

by Shankpin:
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Yep NS, it is a very interesting case. I have wished many times to view what photos were taken of this crime scene to gather my own conclusions-- To share my thoughts on this one from what information is out there, I'm tending to believe that the father (Moore) was connected somehow to this offender. Not saying he had anything per say to do with the crime itself, but rather, someone knew him and set out to retaliate for whatever reason. I'm thinking a transient, not pro by no means, who was found inside town passing through & was offered a substantial deal to do this crime.
This murderer was close enough to the family to know their schedule on Sundays, but wasn't aware of the lay out of the house. I say this because there were signs of him in disarray...Joseph Moore had enemies in the right places, from what I've gathered.
I tend to think there was one offender here. He hid in a closet or somewhere on the upper floor until they got home and settled down that night (apparently around 9:00- 11:00 pm) waiting on Mr. and Mrs Moore to fall asleep.
Very disorganized. This is apparent in the weapon he used, and how he obtained it, among other things.
There were ritual signs there I found bizarre.. in which the offender covered the mirrors and the lanterns during this crime.
As far as these spooks being at peace in that house. I don't see it. One, that wasn't the Stillinger's home, second it couldn't be a peaceful thing to consistently talk about your murderer being in that house.. I mention those two specific because on some of the EVPs it's clear to me it's those two being recorded..

just my thoughts.
Now, I have checked out the EVP's and now have also gone to the website linked in your previous post. I don't think I have all the facts, but I did some exploring at the website. I would think that your theory of the suspect lieing in wait in a closet until the time could be correct, considering that the house was locked, and one of the people had to go get one to unlock the Moore house, so the neighbors could go in and investigate. I would imagine the suspect locked up the house upon leaving.

It breaks my heart that children, anyone, is still there in that house, more than likely reliving the horror. I am surprised no one has gone in and tried to help these victims to pass over.
JustNormal
[quote name='Watchful' date='May 26 2008, 02:17 AM' post='2315661']
Thanks.
It's kind of freaking me out, in a calm way. Do you think it could be dust? Although, I have gone down to the living room since then, and many times I even glanced at the sun rays coming into the back window of the room. Nothing. I still remember back in taking that first picture, looking through the view finder of my digital camera and being startled at a flash reflecting at something so close in front of me. I just thought to take the picture of my living room, about some years later from the original pict, and just see if any of you guys notice anything. Lo and behold, I did! The second picture nothing, and that was taken seconds after the first one. I don't see anything, but does anyone see anything in the second picture?

It could absolutely be dust, but the way it moved is what caught my eye plus you witnessed the flash reflection. I am certainly no expert lol far from it, however I do believe some orbs are spirits attempting to manifest JMO so good job. Here is a photo I took today from my open window in my SUV..Does anyone know what that pink funnel is, because I have seen them before, but dont remember what they are. Ok we dont care for orbs but this one is a little big OMG LOL..JN



LadyHay

I cannot discount humidity or breath or mist. Both my companion and I felt we were not alone as we were walking away from the building, and so I turned very quickly and shot this photo. Camera was a basic model 35 mm Pentax. (Film camera)

I still hesitate to say it is a ghost.

linked-image

Unfortunately, those who have, so far in my circle, commented on it, know the history of the building and therefore have come up with guesses as to who/what it is.
Nile_Shaman
QUOTE (LadyHay @ May 26 2008, 12:50 AM) *
Unfortunately, those who have, so far in my circle, commented on it, know the history of the building and therefore have come up with guesses as to who/what it is.


Nice shot. Not picking up any sense of a personality, though. Is this residue, perhaps? I can almost see a woman wrapped about in a cape as if for warmth and wearing one of those old hats with absurd feathers.... but it's 230 am and maybe I'm tired.

NS
Nile_Shaman
QUOTE (Watchful @ May 25 2008, 08:17 PM) *
Now, I have checked out the EVP's and now have also gone to the website linked in your previous post. I don't think I have all the facts, but I did some exploring at the website. I would think that your theory of the suspect lieing in wait in a closet until the time could be correct, considering that the house was locked, and one of the people had to go get one to unlock the Moore house, so the neighbors could go in and investigate. I would imagine the suspect locked up the house upon leaving.


I have spent the night reading through the Villisca files on http://www.millersparanormalresearch.com/ and am pretty satisfied with their findings. In some ways it jives with my beliefs, but in many it diverts. I find it all plausible, to the extent we possibly can know almost 100 years after the crime. See what you think. They also offer a DVD on the case, or a pay per view download of it cheaply enough, but I didn't do that, just read their copious notes and reports and pictures.

Their other investigations are pretty fasinating too.

NS
Watchful
QUOTE (JustNormal @ May 26 2008, 01:28 AM) *
It could absolutely be dust, but the way it moved is what caught my eye plus you witnessed the flash reflection. I am certainly no expert lol far from it, however I do believe some orbs are spirits attempting to manifest JMO so good job.

Ok, here is another question, can ghost cats float? I am so just hoping it's just ghost cats! ohmy.gif
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Here is a photo I took today from my open window in my SUV..Does anyone know what that pink funnel is, because I have seen them before, but dont remember what they are. Ok we dont care for orbs but this one is a little big OMG LOL..JN
I always felt the color of the orb is because of the color around it is being reflected through it. The fact that the big orb is there, I'm not sure at this moment. Very morningly here and not finished coffee entirely yet. Votes still out.

Although, is this your house, JN? I wonder at the window with what looks like hanging t-shirts in it. Are they draperies? They look like hanging t-shirts to me. Is that normal?
LadyHay
QUOTE (Nile_Shaman @ May 26 2008, 12:30 AM) *
Nice shot. Not picking up any sense of a personality, though. Is this residue, perhaps? I can almost see a woman wrapped about in a cape as if for warmth and wearing one of those old hats with absurd feathers.... but it's 230 am and maybe I'm tired.

NS


Thank you for looking Nile. Interesting what you pick up. Now that its a new day and you're rested, can you look at it again? I might PM you and tell you a bit about it later if you want.
LadyHay
QUOTE (Watchful @ May 25 2008, 03:32 PM) *
Hey guys, I am going back to view and check other posts and pictures, but I decided to go take some new digital ones of my living room, considering I had pictures of that and various interesting experiences in that room before and it has been mentioned here. Well, I went and grabbed my digital camera and went into my living room, with the curtains in the front closed. It's still daylight out, just to give you a heads up. My dog, the on the ball barker at nothing is now lieing down in the foyer, peaceful as can be. Well, I took two pictures, thinking I will take more. I clicked one, and as I clicked another about a couple of seconds later, something occured during the taking of the first one. As the flash went off, it reflected off something in front of me, about a foot, when there is actually nothing there. Maybe there isn't, and it's an amazing amount of dust floating around. That I can dig, because for some reason, that room gets really dusty, very quickly after I dust it. Anyways, I saw the reflected flash, and didn't see it during the second flash. Looking at my pictures, both of them, I see something interesting in the first one. What do you guys think?

Oh yeah, Great idea for a thread JN!!



Interesting, but its likely a hair or a fiber. This happens with digital cameras, especially the less expensive ones. You can try to recreate this. It might take some time to get the right effect, but is worth it, and in the end you will see that these digital cameras create so many anomalies, it tends to get in the way of great photos sometimes!

However, the fact that this is likely a hair or fiber, does not negate possible activity in your home. Are you keeping a journal? Have you posted about them? I'd like to read it if you have.
LadyHay
QUOTE (JustNormal @ May 25 2008, 10:28 PM) *
Thanks.
It's kind of freaking me out, in a calm way. Do you think it could be dust? Although, I have gone down to the living room since then, and many times I even glanced at the sun rays coming into the back window of the room. Nothing. I still remember back in taking that first picture, looking through the view finder of my digital camera and being startled at a flash reflecting at something so close in front of me. I just thought to take the picture of my living room, about some years later from the original pict, and just see if any of you guys notice anything. Lo and behold, I did! The second picture nothing, and that was taken seconds after the first one. I don't see anything, but does anyone see anything in the second picture?

It could absolutely be dust, but the way it moved is what caught my eye plus you witnessed the flash reflection. I am certainly no expert lol far from it, however I do believe some orbs are spirits attempting to manifest JMO so good job. Here is a photo I took today from my open window in my SUV..Does anyone know what that pink funnel is, because I have seen them before, but dont remember what they are. Ok we dont care for orbs but this one is a little big OMG LOL..JN


Ugh I hate to say it because it seems like I'm debunking everything here, but quite honestly I know this to be lens flare. You quite evidently took this photo in the direction of the sun, creating this.

And yes, this is one big orb! original.gif
Pluto-x
Know what would be cool?

To invent a camera that could block out the sun and filter out dust, fiber, natural vapors etc;

With the technology that Nasa had for telescopes and such, I don't see how it would be impossible?

LadyHay
QUOTE (Pluto-x @ May 26 2008, 08:53 AM) *
Know what would be cool?

To invent a camera that could block out the sun and filter out dust, fiber, natural vapors etc;

With the technology that Nasa had for telescopes and such, I don't see how it would be impossible?

Because a camera will take an image of what is there. If there is sun there, the camera will notice it. The thing is to get rid of user error. Unfortunately, myself included, there are many amateur photographers, contributing to photographic errors.
Watchful
QUOTE (LadyHay @ May 26 2008, 11:51 AM) *
Interesting, but its likely a hair or a fiber. This happens with digital cameras, especially the less expensive ones. You can try to recreate this. It might take some time to get the right effect, but is worth it, and in the end you will see that these digital cameras create so many anomalies, it tends to get in the way of great photos sometimes!
Now, that is a thought. What about animal hair, mostly Golden Retriever hair? I wonder if that is the case, thanks for the heads up.

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However, the fact that this is likely a hair or fiber, does not negate possible activity in your home. Are you keeping a journal? Have you posted about them? I'd like to read it if you have.
Actually, I haven't kept a journal, in this house, or the one in Jersey. I was never any good in doing that in the past. I could go though all the posts I have here on UM and see about getting them on here for you to view, if you like?
Plus, if it could be possibly some activity, I wouldn't be surprised, considering some occurances that have left me going, what the?!
Nile_Shaman
QUOTE (LadyHay @ May 26 2008, 10:45 AM) *
Thank you for looking Nile. Interesting what you pick up. Now that its a new day and you're rested, can you look at it again? I might PM you and tell you a bit about it later if you want.

Please do original.gif. Without it being more wide angle, I cannot see if something outside caused it, so I am going with just what my eyes see, and what I can sense. I still see the flow of something like a shawl or throw and I get a visual sense of haste, like a person hurrying for a vehicle or something. Last night and today I kept hearing a word, also, which I'll tell you when you pm. Not for me to spoil other's fun by making too many conjectures here and maybe clouding their impressions.

Even if this is really a reflection, or effect from a warm vent in cooler air, it is remarkable. Very cool picture and LOOKS like you'd wish a ghost picture to do.

NS

edit to add a word
edit AGAIN to say I pm'd you with what I got about it, because I realized one's "take" on a pic must come before the facts known, in order to be verified or laughed out of town LOL.
Nile_Shaman
QUOTE (LadyHay @ May 26 2008, 11:01 AM) *
Because a camera will take an image of what is there. If there is sun there, the camera will notice it. The thing is to get rid of user error. Unfortunately, myself included, there are many amateur photographers, contributing to photographic errors.


Yeah, this is the thing that bogs me down with my own pics. You have to learn some skills for different environments. Stand with your back to the sun, faster film speed for darkness, stuff like that, and that is fine for taking planned pics, but the rare time I want to grab for it, you can't always get the ghostie shots or the special moment shots sad.gif.

Given that I work alone, and given how I work, I'm not the one who will have good pics. I'll also not know if there'd have been anything to show up if a pic was taken when I see or hear or know one is close by.

I wish there was a small group, even informal, of people interested in investigating around here. *thinks* maybe I need to start a yahoo group for the area and see who all finds it and bites. Neat to find a couple other people who want to observe and figure out....

NS
someoldlady
QUOTE (Pluto-x @ May 25 2008, 08:09 PM) *
I like the older photos myself because back in the old days, they didn't have the ways of being able to fake them like they do now.

Yes they did. People didn't understand the process of making a picture from the negative, and it was easier to dupe them. Since exposure for a photo was a long process (people had to remain still longer than they do now) it was easy to have someone walk through, or move and make an accidental ghost. William Mumler was arrested for fraud in 1869 for making fake ghost pictures. Here is a link to a website about that: Ghost Photo Fraud
Nile_Shaman
QUOTE (someoldlady @ May 26 2008, 06:14 PM) *
William Mumler was arrested for fraud in 1869 for making fake ghost pictures. Here is a link to a website about that: Ghost Photo Fraud


Great link, Lady! Thanks!

NS
JustNormal
QUOTE (LadyHay @ May 26 2008, 05:50 AM) *
I cannot discount humidity or breath or mist. Both my companion and I felt we were not alone as we were walking away from the building, and so I turned very quickly and shot this photo. Camera was a basic model 35 mm Pentax. (Film camera)

I still hesitate to say it is a ghost.

linked-image

Unfortunately, those who have, so far in my circle, commented on it, know the history of the building and therefore have come up with guesses as to who/what it is.


WOW awesome photo..Female, who was killed? JN
JustNormal
[quote name='someoldlady' date='May 26 2008, 11:14 PM' post='2317179']
Yes they did. People didn't understand the process of making a picture from the negative, and it was easier to dupe them. Since exposure for a photo was a long process (people had to remain still longer than they do now) it was easy to have someone walk through, or move and make an accidental ghost. William Mumler was arrested for fraud in 1869 for making fake ghost pictures. Here is a link to a website about that: Ghost Photo Fraud
[/quote

YIKES Thanks SOL...There were frauds back then too? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR LOL..JN
JustNormal
QUOTE (Watchful @ May 26 2008, 10:38 AM) *
Ok, here is another question, can ghost cats float? I am so just hoping it's just ghost cats! ohmy.gif
I always felt the color of the orb is because of the color around it is being reflected through it. The fact that the big orb is there, I'm not sure at this moment. Very morningly here and not finished coffee entirely yet. Votes still out.

Although, is this your house, JN? I wonder at the window with what looks like hanging t-shirts in it. Are they draperies? They look like hanging t-shirts to me. Is that normal?


Hi Watchful, I can only assume any spirit/ghost can float. I mean most dont walk around, the are suspended in mid air etc..Yes that is my house, but the window you are talking about belongs to the second floor tenants. They use that room as a closet, and I told them to put drapes or a blind in there so it doesnt look so gross but they are morons LOL..The upper 3rd window is mine. Now there is an orb that is HUGE and I dont know if thats normal, as the outside of the house is wood, and non refective. Also above my window there is a funnel shaped pink thing and I dont know what it is..Anyone????? JN
Aanica
QUOTE (Gothgurl11 @ May 25 2008, 10:15 AM) *
Now this isn't my picture...but it's really cool to look at nonetheless. From the persons description, there is no explanation for what's in the window.

What's in the window?
Wow that is creepy, good picture
Aanica
QUOTE (Nile_Shaman @ May 26 2008, 06:37 PM) *
Great link, Lady! Thanks!

NS
You seem to catch a lot of 66 and 666 posts...hmmmm..lol..
JustNormal
Can we go back to posting photos and not analyzing? This is for fun..Thanks, JN
Pluto-x
linked-image

Interesting!?

Anyone seen this one before?

Just pulled it off of Google.

JustNormal
QUOTE (Pluto-x @ May 27 2008, 08:00 PM) *
linked-image

Interesting!?

Anyone seen this one before?

Just pulled it off of Google.



Hey thats pretty cool, real or not..It is interesting, and is it me, or are there no arms on the "ghost"? Thanks, JN
Pluto-x
It appears fake to me... but I believe the person's arms are crossed.

I see two spirits here though. An old lady and a man behind someone?

JustNormal
QUOTE (Pluto-x @ May 27 2008, 08:20 PM) *
It appears fake to me... but I believe the person's arms are crossed.

I see two spirits here though. An old lady and a man behind someone?


Ohhh I see it now..Im pretty sure its fake, but interesting anyway..Thanks..JN
Veliska
Waahhh It wont let me load its too BIGGGG!!!
JustNormal
QUOTE (Veliska @ May 27 2008, 11:27 PM) *
Waahhh It wont let me load its too BIGGGG!!!


Here ya go kiddo..JN
Nile_Shaman
QUOTE (Aanica @ May 27 2008, 01:26 PM) *
You seem to catch a lot of 66 and 666 posts...hmmmm..lol..


Either I'm the spawn of Satan, or I don't believe in or usually even notice that sort of thing.

Take your pick original.gif

NS
twyliteskyz
i seen this thread about de-bunking photographs, an thought i would share what i took yesterday. i was lying on the couch an was held down by an unseen force, with my camera nearby i took snapshots about 5 minutes after, i dont know if its dust, moisture, or something else? in the first photo you see the orb in top left an in the second snapshot its over by the door to the right, i zoomed in on the orb an adjusted the contrast to see the details better an it looks kinda like a skull-face? might be coincidence, but thought i would share anyway
the being held down things anouther story, ive been having to go through, hence why i had a camera nearby
Veliska
JN remember this pic I took at the old polk county courthouse?
This picture still freaks me out!
JustNormal
QUOTE (Veliska @ May 28 2008, 10:46 PM) *
JN remember this pic I took at the old polk county courthouse?
This picture still freaks me out!



Yes Hun I sure do. That is just freaky, but good job!!!! thumbsup.gif
Veliska
QUOTE (JustNormal @ May 28 2008, 11:59 PM) *
Yes Hun I sure do. That is just freaky, but good job!!!! thumbsup.gif

Thanks I took some pics of the cemetary across from my apartment...when I shrink them I will post it
JustNormal
Cool, cant wait V....JN- sleepy.gif
Nile_Shaman
QUOTE (Veliska @ May 28 2008, 05:46 PM) *
JN remember this pic I took at the old polk county courthouse? This picture still freaks me out!


blink.gif Wow, Vel, that is a good pic!

NS
RavenSpirit
I found this site it looks interesting.. what do you think?

http://www.jeffandkimsloveshack.com/OurGhostPicture.htm

Here is the pic from that page:
linked-image
Shankpin
QUOTE (LadyHay @ May 26 2008, 12:50 AM) *
I cannot discount humidity or breath or mist. Both my companion and I felt we were not alone as we were walking away from the building, and so I turned very quickly and shot this photo. Camera was a basic model 35 mm Pentax. (Film camera)

I still hesitate to say it is a ghost.

linked-image


Imo, I don't believe you guys were alone- I get the impression that's spiritual. Interesting pic.

Pluto-x
I agree with Shankpin... it has a distinctive shape or figure to it. If it were just smoke, humidity, or fog, they could not make an image like this? Matrixing stuff maybe, but this is a cool mist like figure. cool.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE (RavenSpirit @ May 29 2008, 10:31 PM) *
I found this site it looks interesting.. what do you think?

http://www.jeffandkimsloveshack.com/OurGhostPicture.htm

Here is the pic from that page:
linked-image



Now thats a good one, thanks..Wonder if its real? JN
LadyHay
QUOTE (Shankpin @ May 29 2008, 02:45 PM) *
Imo, I don't believe you guys were alone- I get the impression that's spiritual. Interesting pic.



Thanks, I hold this one quite dear to my heart. I am also embarrassed to say I've lost the negative to one of our former members who had taken it to be analyzed. Got the report, but not the negative. I've had a lot of interesting feed back and it has been on our local news and newspaper a few times. It comes from a well established haunted mansion here.
Moonie2012
QUOTE (RavenSpirit @ May 29 2008, 04:31 PM) *
I found this site it looks interesting.. what do you think?

http://www.jeffandkimsloveshack.com/OurGhostPicture.htm

Here is the pic from that page:
linked-image


It really just looks like a pointy headstone to me with some flowers behind it - but that lens flare or whatever it is in front of it does look very strange.
LadyHay
QUOTE (Pluto-x @ May 29 2008, 02:51 PM) *
I agree with Shankpin... it has a distinctive shape or figure to it. If it were just smoke, humidity, or fog, they could not make an image like this? Matrixing stuff maybe, but this is a cool mist like figure. cool.gif



I don't know if it could be mist, fog, etc. I have never discounted it.

Another weird thing that happened, and this was 7 years ago(as is the photo above -same place), when I had first taken this interest up in a serious way, one of our members who was a bit sensitive (Or I believed him to be) was freaking out at a really big shadowy man on the deck that these steps in this picture lead to. I had started snapping photos, (35 mm) and got a developing mist in about 6 frames. It very obviously is developing from the shape; in the last one, it is very big. I still cannot rule out mist, breath, etc. I just can't, and so I don't include it as anything worth examining. I just wonder about it from time to time. WAS it involved with the dark man at the end of the deck? Coincidence? I just don't know.
Shankpin
I don't know lady, it has form to it. I think there's something to it besides mist, smoke, or fog... great pic, btw.
JustNormal
QUOTE (Shankpin @ May 30 2008, 08:54 PM) *
I don't know lady, it has form to it. I think there's something to it besides mist, smoke, or fog... great pic, btw.


I agree, its pretty impressive..JN
spirit2
QUOTE (JustNormal @ May 29 2008, 11:03 PM) *
Now thats a good one, thanks..Wonder if its real? JN


Not sure what I am supposed to be seeing in this pic??

Never mind I went to that site through the link..... I see what they are referring to but the red flags are flying over that one! Why is the ladies face blotched out if you will by that orange spot?
Moonie2012
QUOTE (spirit2 @ Jun 1 2008, 10:46 AM) *
Not sure what I am supposed to be seeing in this pic??

Never mind I went to that site through the link..... I see what they are referring to but the red flags are flying over that one! Why is the ladies face blotched out if you will by that orange spot?


That spot is strange - but after studying this pic more, I've realized the "lady" is nothing more than part of a normal tombstone with flowers in front of it and a ray of sunlight. If you enlarge it, it's easy to tell - the tombstone that makes up part of her has a rectangular nameplate on it that makes some of her upper body details.

No ghost here.
Shankpin
I see absolutely nothing in the cometary pic- Not even sure what I'm supposed to be looking for.
jerry2dope
QUOTE (Shankpin @ Jun 1 2008, 08:21 PM) *
I see absolutely nothing in the cometary pic- Not even sure what I'm supposed to be looking for.


Same here... The Brown spot? Thats not a ghost
Shankpin
and I thought the brown spot was part of a tree.
JustNormal
QUOTE (Shankpin @ Jun 2 2008, 04:46 AM) *
and I thought the brown spot was part of a tree.



LOL I thought the brown spot was a "ghost" LOL
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