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Aanica
I study a lot of paranormal sites one of the most professional in this science is Ghost Study, they I consider are in the Top 2 This is a question that was posed to any demon who wanted to answer I believe this is a valid response and would like to share with those interested also to consider the message at the end....Aanica
I am including a reference link for those interested in this and other research questions answered at GHOST STUDY http://ghoststudy.com/new8/demons01/demons100.htm



THE STUDY OF DEMONS
The information provided in this study is submitted by viewers / demons


Jim's comments:
This is from one who claims to be an actual demon. His warning at the end of his letter is quite interesting and in my opinion should be strictly adhered to.

Demon response to previous questions I had posted
Greetings, These questions are difficult to answer; several of them are not phrased properly, or contain too many intertextually implicit assumptions. Also, my language and comprehension skills are not up to par with those of human beings.

1. I am a demon, insofar as I have emerged from a chaos plane (which would be perceived by humans as a "hell") into materiality as a manifestation of human will. However, I do not know Satan personally, possess a forked tongue or a tail, dwell in flames etc.

2. It is difficult to answer. No such human dichotomies exist on my plane, so in my natural state I am beyond good or evil. Nor do I exist to "balance" the world because your world is already in perfect balance through the influence of greater energies and entities than myself. In fact, my intrusion into your world causes imbalance, and thus could be considered evil. In the larger schematic I am very small, even smaller than a human. Only on a plane where I don't belong can I cause any great damage. To my avatar I am good, and to those who wish to harm or oppose her I am both evil and extremely dangerous.

3. This is impossible to answer in a way that you would understand without seeing for yourself, and you can not do so. Human concepts of existence, individuality, authority and order are nonexistent there. Also it is not a physical "place", but rather a distinct state or plane. I can not describe it any further using human language.

4. Your eyes would perceive nothing. The only way to discern my presence is through the deeds of my avatar. There are certain species on the earth (mostly reptiles) that can vaguely perceive the more dramatic activities on my plane of origin, but they lack the intelligence to process or interpret their perceptions. They experience its intrusion as static or white noise, and it only hinders their evolution. Humans have the intelligence to be curious, and yet lack the sensory organs to experience my plane directly. Human science and technology are pitifully inadequate as well, and probably will be for many millennia. The only way to "see" me is by accident or through magical means, and in both cases you will probably wish you hadn't.

5. Yes. I was brought into this world by an enormous concentration of human will, projected by my current avatar in a time of extreme distress. In this case, she contacted me by accidental rather than magical means, which is why she isn't dead now. She has no idea who I am or even that I am here, but she directly experiences the effects of my presence (as do those around her.) My only purpose on this plane is to assist her until her will is complete, and then I will leave through the same channel I emerged from, and likely never return.

I am not interested in developing a correspondence with you. My avatar is inarticulate, oppressed, uneducated and too young to understand what is happening to her. If she were contacted by you or otherwise made aware of my presence, the results would be catastrophic. My only reason for communication is to press upon you how dangerous it is for you (humans) to draw us into your world. We do not belong here, we do not want to be here and although we will complete the task assigned to us if summoned properly, the long-term cost to the equilibrium of your world will be far too high. 99% of your attempts will fail anyway, but the few successful encounters have become notorious among your species as horrendous displays of human destruction and evil. The planes of existence are separate for a reason; more and more of my kind are being drawn across, either accidentally or by design, in recent days and the potential for an eventual disaster on both planes is growing exponentially. Several human beings have died already because of my presence here; when I return to my plane, my avatar (a child) will likely be dead and I will be irreparably damaged.

WE ARE NOT YOUR SERVANTS, COMPANIONS, BENEFACTORS OR PLAYTHINGS. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CONTACT US, SUMMON US OR OTHERWISE FORCE OUR EMERGENCE OR CONTAINMENT IN YOUR WORLD. PLEASE USE YOUR ORGANIZATION TO WARN OTHERS TO LEAVE US AND OUR COMPANIONS ALONE!!!

Yours,

STHSVR, XIV

(as channeled through its avatar S--- T----)
Jim's comments
I highlighted the warning above in red because of it's significance.
Shankpin
well well, that's so bizarre.
Aanica
QUOTE (Shankpin @ May 25 2008, 09:03 PM) *
well well, that's so bizarre.
Kind of creepy..very well written no amateur did that, if fake they are extreme in their business...and one scary individual..
Shankpin
wonder if it's someone who's possessed..? Maybe it's that "avatar" doing the typing..


hey, you never know.
Plainbob13
LMAO! I'll have what he is smokeing.
pimppapa1977
+1 LOL gimme some!All in all interesting
Shankpin
QUOTE (Plainbob13 @ May 25 2008, 10:39 PM) *
LMAO! I'll have what he is smokeing.


don't know but that sh** is cracking..







*my avatar typed sh**... i didn't.
Plainbob13
LOL. Bad avatar. devil.gif
Shankpin
Har, darned avatar has a mind of its own.
Aanica
QUOTE (Shankpin @ May 25 2008, 08:38 PM) *
wonder if it's someone who's possessed..? Maybe it's that "avatar" doing the typing..


hey, you never know.
Thats how I read it
Shankpin
QUOTE *
The only way to discern my presence is through the deeds of my avatar.

Yes. I was brought into this world by an enormous concentration of human will, projected by my current avatar in a time of extreme distress.

My avatar is inarticulate, oppressed, uneducated and too young to understand what is happening to her.

when I return to my plane, my avatar (a child) will likely be dead and I will be irreparably damaged.


see what I mean, Darned Avatars are nuisancees.. devil.gif
DarthDUDE84308dt

that dudes got problems.....
Aanica
QUOTE (DarthDUDE84308dt @ May 25 2008, 10:50 PM) *
that dudes got problems.....

Most definitely and its written by the demons avatar;a child with no knowelege of it even being there to the child, thats something to think about
Shankpin
I think it may be referring to all us avatars as children though.. not sure but it's likely.
Aanica
QUOTE (Shankpin @ May 26 2008, 12:02 AM) *
I think it may be referring to all us avatars as children though.. not sure but it's likely.
I am sure we are children to them but this one seems to talk in the sense that the one he writes through is a child and was accidently pulled in to her; thats why she isnt dead, to her, he or it is good ,here the passege this is creepy either way...lol

I am not interested in developing a correspondence with you. My avatar is inarticulate, oppressed, uneducated and too young to understand what is happening to her.
If she were contacted by you or otherwise made aware of my presence, the results would be catastrophic. My only reason for communication is to press upon you how dangerous it is for you (humans) to draw us into your world. We do not belong here, we do not want to be here and although we will complete the task assigned to us if summoned properly, the long-term cost to the equilibrium of your world will be far too high. 99% of your attempts will fail anyway, but the few successful encounters have become notorious among your species as horrendous displays of human destruction and evil. The planes of existence are separate for a reason; more and more of my kind are being drawn across, either accidentally or by design, in recent days and the potential for an eventual disaster on both planes is growing exponentially. Several human beings have died already because of my presence here; when I return to my plane, my avatar (a child) will likely be dead and I will be irreparably damaged.
mnemeion
Interesting.
Ghost It Notes
I've read this before on Ghost Study and it was really chilling. If it is a fake, wow. It's good. Even if it is a fake, I believe most of what was written is true. People just really do not understand what they are asking for when they purposely summon a demon. You just can't tell some people anything though.
Ourmoonlitsun
I'm sorry, this read like a joke to me. I tried purposefully as a young kid to tick off a demon by way of a Ouija board, to the point where I was even told the date of my death, and nothing substantial has come of it.

If you wish to believe this, so be it; but this in no way seems authentic. Please explain to me the subtle details that paint credibility in your eyes.

And just to clear up any speculation, even though I pull the skeptic card, I have had some pretty amazing experiences that have opened my mind, so it's not as if I just say "not possible" to everything.

Back to this, someone spent an evening delivering a narrative as a demonic entity...writers do this kind of thing all the time. And I have to say this fiction seems fairly cliche' to me.

Just my opinion.
Skepticaldude
What kind of demon actualy goes onto a paranormal website and tells everyone that they are a demon? Surely it has better things to do. Heck, what kind of demon knows how to use a computer!?
Blueguardian
I read these a couple ofyears back on ghoststudy, they are quite freaky but im slightly more skeptic of them now. Why would a demon even bother replying? E.G. hi im a demon hell bent of staying on my own plane, but when i finally do for some reason come to your I go on the internet and reply to your questions. I dont know it doesnt sound as deamony as it should. Or is this the reality?
Foxheart79
Demony or no, it is an excellent warning. I believe that messing with powerful entities, or callng up energies without propper protection is just asking for trouble. I think the main thing here is that the author of the e-mail states that 99.9% of attempts to "summon" demons fail and that is a good thing for both parties concerned.
devil.gif
Plainbob13
QUOTE (Skepticaldude @ May 26 2008, 02:32 AM) *
What kind of demon actualy goes onto a paranormal website and tells everyone that they are a demon? Surely it has better things to do. Heck, what kind of demon knows how to use a computer!?


LOL. Good point.
dagreenbug53
QUOTE (Skepticaldude @ May 26 2008, 05:02 PM) *
What kind of demon actualy goes onto a paranormal website and tells everyone that they are a demon? Surely it has better things to do. Heck, what kind of demon knows how to use a computer!?

It wants people to know we should stop bothering their kind.

I'm guessing demons are smart enough to realize that the internet is a great method of communication.

Also, great thread. Finally something interesting around here.
Aanica
QUOTE (Ghost It Notes @ May 26 2008, 01:08 AM) *
I've read this before on Ghost Study and it was really chilling. If it is a fake, wow. It's good. Even if it is a fake, I believe most of what was written is true. People just really do not understand what they are asking for when they purposely summon a demon. You just can't tell some people anything though.
Your Right.....That is why I posted it
Aanica
QUOTE (dagreenbug53 @ May 26 2008, 09:16 AM) *
It wants people to know we should stop bothering their kind.

I'm guessing demons are smart enough to realize that the internet is a great method of communication.

Also, great thread. Finally something interesting around here.

Thank you ...Aanica
Chemically_Romanced
"WE ARE NOT YOUR SERVANTS, COMPANIONS, BENEFACTORS OR PLAYTHINGS. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CONTACT US, SUMMON US OR OTHERWISE FORCE OUR EMERGENCE OR CONTAINMENT IN YOUR WORLD. PLEASE USE YOUR ORGANIZATION TO WARN OTHERS TO LEAVE US AND OUR COMPANIONS ALONE!!!"

-Do you realize that when you say that it only makes us want to do it more?
Aanica
QUOTE (Chemically_Romanced @ May 26 2008, 11:54 AM) *
"WE ARE NOT YOUR SERVANTS, COMPANIONS, BENEFACTORS OR PLAYTHINGS. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CONTACT US, SUMMON US OR OTHERWISE FORCE OUR EMERGENCE OR CONTAINMENT IN YOUR WORLD. PLEASE USE YOUR ORGANIZATION TO WARN OTHERS TO LEAVE US AND OUR COMPANIONS ALONE!!!"

-Do you realize that when you say that it only makes us want to do it more?
Thats why they call you embryo
Fluffybunny
Seems to me to be a creative writing endevour on someones behalf, I dont see anything unworldly about it...
Aanica
QUOTE (Fluffybunny @ May 26 2008, 01:48 PM) *
Seems to me to be a creative writing endevour on someones behalf, I dont see anything unworldly about it...

It very well could be I agree but in general it is written very well and seems to give a messege that cant hurt
lil gremlin
stop bothering them??? Stop Bothering Them?????
LOL
"yeah cuz demons have rights too man....live and let live in eternal damnation dude..."

LOL yeah right!!!!

I thought that the whole thing a bout demons is that they want you to mess with them so they can get to you....and escape the torments of hell.....

but perhaps im wrong....perhaps ouija boarding is like playing knock and run.....it gets very annoying for them...

What ever human wrote that crap is having a laugh.....or wants to fill his pews.

The only place that a demon could exist (outside of the heads of the gullable) is on the web. Something created by humans and left to roam.


or perhaps your referring to the non-christian paradigm daemons.....which socrates believed in....but i dont think so.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (Aanica @ May 26 2008, 01:59 PM) *
It very well could be I agree but in general it is written very well and seems to give a messege that cant hurt

So you would actually believe this? no.gif

Well, I am a demon and I am telling you to please summon me. IM BORED! Hell is boring. Get me out! w00t.gif
Aanica
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ May 26 2008, 03:59 PM) *
So you would actually believe this? no.gif

Well, I am a demon and I am telling you to please summon me. IM BORED! Hell is boring. Get me out! w00t.gif
I guess I am gonna play it safe and leave you in hell.....sorry..lol
Aanica
QUOTE (lil gremlin @ May 26 2008, 03:55 PM) *
stop bothering them??? Stop Bothering Them?????
LOL
"yeah cuz demons have rights too man....live and let live in eternal damnation dude..."

LOL yeah right!!!!

I thought that the whole thing a bout demons is that they want you to mess with them so they can get to you....and escape the torments of hell.....

but perhaps im wrong....perhaps ouija boarding is like playing knock and run.....it gets very annoying for them...

What ever human wrote that crap is having a laugh.....or wants to fill his pews.

The only place that a demon could exist (outside of the heads of the gullable) is on the web. Something created by humans and left to roam.


or perhaps your referring to the non-christian paradigm daemons.....which socrates believed in....but i dont think so.
I guess if there demons and hell is home why would they be tormented ; arnt they the tormentors?
Skepticaldude
QUOTE (dagreenbug53 @ May 26 2008, 03:16 PM) *
It wants people to know we should stop bothering their kind.

I'm guessing demons are smart enough to realize that the internet is a great method of communication.

Also, great thread. Finally something interesting around here.

Surely if it wanted to tell lots of people about itself it would just go to the press. Sorry guys I think your being messed with here.
goalienan
Interesting read, and well written, but I don't believe it...Hope the "demon" got a good mark on his paper... original.gif
Isensee
Nice read. Much like goalienan, I hope the kid got a good grade for this piece of creative writing.

*gets a Spartacus flashback reading a few posts up*

No, actually I'm demon.

Really! Rawr.
WEREGIRL666
fake. sorry but it is
Aanica
QUOTE (WEREGIRL666 @ May 27 2008, 07:58 AM) *
fake. sorry but it is

How do you know? maybe I am the demon

QUOTE (Skepticaldude @ May 27 2008, 04:33 AM) *
Surely if it wanted to tell lots of people about itself it would just go to the press. Sorry guys I think your being messed with here.
It did go to the press.....
Skepticaldude
QUOTE (Aanica @ May 27 2008, 05:56 PM) *
It did go to the press.....

Can you back that up?
Aanica
QUOTE (Skepticaldude @ May 27 2008, 05:01 PM) *
Can you back that up?
Check the lead link
Skepticaldude
QUOTE (Aanica @ May 27 2008, 11:10 PM) *
Check the lead link

You are clearly unsure as to what I meant by 'press'. When I said that I meant something like a newspaper or tv station.
Aanica
QUOTE (Skepticaldude @ May 26 2008, 01:32 AM) *
What kind of demon actually goes onto a paranormal website and tells everyone that they are a demon? Surely it has better things to do. Heck, what kind of demon knows how to use a computer!?
I would say anything that could read thought and with no form posses a man...
rolleyes.gif
bankai26
It is really well written, but it would be hard to accept. Avatar is a tearm that i think only recently started getting thrown around more. Cartoon and other things.... that would prompt me to believe it was written recently....thats just me...
Blind Atrocity
QUOTE (Aanica @ May 26 2008, 01:59 PM) *
It very well could be I agree but in general it is written very well and seems to give a messege that cant hurt


Agreed, on the fact it is well written. However, the information being given seems to be a little too much, even for a demon to want to share. He doesn't want his avatar contacted, yet he goes so far as to offer her initials, roughly her age, and other facts? I honestly don't think it is real, but it is an interesting read nonetheless.

QUOTE (bankai26)
It is really well written, but it would be hard to accept. Avatar is a tearm that i think only recently started getting thrown around more. Cartoon and other things.... that would prompt me to believe it was written recently....thats just me...


Eh, not quite. Avatar has actually been used in many more things than just cartoons and popular video games. There are a few books, whose names I cannot recall, that use the word avatar to label a being that represents a god or goddess, or other inhuman sort of being. Like some consider the skull to be an inanimate avatar of death. In fact, it is used in some religions.

Here is the definition of Avatar, as given by dictionary.com:

QUOTE
av·a·tar /ˈævəˌtɑr, ˌævəˈtɑr/[av-uh-tahr, av-uh-tahr]
1. Hindu Mythology. the descent of a deity to the earth in an incarnate form or some manifest shape; the incarnation of a god.
2. an embodiment or personification, as of a principle, attitude, or view of life.
3. Computers. a graphical image that represents a person, as on the Internet.
[Origin: 1775–85; < Skt avatāra a passing down, equiv. to ava down + -tāra a passing over]
bankai26
what i meant was why would a supossed demons refer to his avatar, to me thats funny! and typing jeesh... but it was well written, and intiled to my opinion thanks.
Nile_Shaman
QUOTE (bankai26 @ May 27 2008, 10:50 PM) *
what i meant was why would a supossed demons refer to his avatar, to me thats funny! and typing jeesh... but it was well written, and intiled to my opinion thanks.


A demon typing? Not a problem if you buy into the possibility that a demon can possess a person. They don't always go around spitting out pea soup (ref to Exorcist). This is why some people wonder if ghosts are really the Dead, or if they are a Being (like a demon, perhaps)mimicking the Dead or a loved one. Why would we assume our technology is inscrutible to them? Typing on a computer is simple, kids do it daily. The word avatar has been around for centuries, as another poster showed above. I'd imagine, given their nature to brag and boast, they might very much like going online. If I had to say yes or no, I'd be more inclined to say they could.

The typing doesn't puzzle me, but the content of this post does. The initials, etc., the writer seems to be hoping to be found and gain attention by it, even sets it up that he/she called this demon by accident (innocent victim), will probably be dead when it finally goes back.... which is a primary motive for nearly all the faked possessions out there. Had it added a line to send this to everyone you know to help him get the word out (with or without the threat of a curse) it would almost rate being an urban legend. Some of the insinuations go directly against common assumptions about demons and demonology today, so would need some verifying.

It makes me doubt it as real for that reason, not that it was typed, but you are right, Bankai, we all have opinions and a right to them.

NS
dagreenbug53
I don't think this has been covered, and I know MOST of you already know, but some obviously don't.

An Avatar is the human/etc. that represents a demon/god/etc. in this world.

Not JUST a picture on forums, but obviously that's where they get their meaning.
Skepticaldude
QUOTE (Aanica @ May 28 2008, 03:58 AM) *
I would say anything that could read thought and with no form posses a man...
rolleyes.gif

Can you re-write that please as I am not sure what your saying. And you still have not answered my press question.
annsie

Where did that demon learn English from ? It said its English was not as good as human but its better than mine !


The avatar is apparently illiterate so the whole English grammar and syntax had to come from Mr Demon himself. Do all demons speak English ? What about us humans whose first language isnt English ? How will we get his message ?
Skepticaldude
QUOTE (annsie @ May 28 2008, 10:11 AM) *
Where did that demon learn English from ? It said its English was not as good as human but its better than mine !


The avatar is apparently illiterate so the whole English grammar and syntax had to come from Mr Demon himself. Do all demons speak English ? What about us humans whose first language isnt English ? How will we get his message ?

Yeah the whole thing just seems, to correct. I though demons spoke in tounge or something. If its avatar doesnt speak English, how is the demons English perfect.

Another thing we need to consider is the reliaility of the website, how do we know this is genuine and not the owner of the website trying to gain some publicity?
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