I strongly believe they are mostly schizophrenic who need treatment.

I don't know if I should reveal this, but I used to have a symptom of paranoid schizophrenia. Now I don't because I've been on medication for last 5 years. I feel great. And honestly I never had the 'voice in my head' situation. I used to have paranoid delusions. That's all. Never had hallucinations either. Yeah, so I can say I am a schizophrenic who's going under a successful treatment. I guess the treatment is successful because the symptom itself only shows up when I go through severe stress and it's rather mild. But...

I was disturbed by the fact that there are tons of schizophrenic people who are undiagnosed and slip through the screen. David Icke is a good example. I always suspected that being conspiracy-prone is a mild form of schizophrenia. I read his articles and it sounded like he has delusional schizophrenia.

This kind of people are really good at connecting unrelated events as related ones. Well, humans are pattern seekers and dot-connectors. They always find the connection between two dots. If this function hyperacts, voila.

OK, now to the alleged contactees. I guess some people on this board will hate me to death for saying this but I strongly believe that those who allegedly contact alien beings by telepathy are in fact mentally ill. Yeah, they are schizophrenic.

In the book God Delusion, we hear a case of a British man who raped and murdered women because he heard the voice of none other than Jesus in his head, commanding him to do the crime. Did that guy really hear the voice of Jesus. No ****ing way. Same with the people who hear the voices of aliens. They are nothing but undiagnosed schizophrenics.

True, 100%

Uh, as much I as I hate to back up the contactees, you, ambelamba, are projecting pretty heavily your own life experiences onto others.

So you suffered through a mental illness...that means anyone else that has similar symptoms suffers from the same? That's a pretty subjective stance.

My opinion of the contactee phenomenon does not matter; what does matter is that you are trying to put forth your experiences as explanation for the entirety of other accounts in this matter. I'm sorry, that just doesn't jive with me.

I have to agree. While some contactees may in fact be schizophrenic, that doesn't mean all contactees are. Surely some suffer from mental illness, but you can't in all fairness say they all suffer from a mental illness.

I do appreciate your openess ambelamba, that takes a lot of courage.

You're right. Many are simply liars who are either seeking attention or have an agenda such as selling books.

So, you're saying that JUST because somebody has a belief that they've been in contact with ETs indicates they have Schizophrenia? What proof do you bear which would indicate that they actually had schizophrenia? Though telepathy may bring on an onset of delusion, that doesn't necessarily indicate that what had occurred didn't happen... What IF people have contacted ETs via telepathy? Are you saying that anybody who believes they have are seriously.. ill? Then I guess I must be seriously ill, because I feel as I have had a form of "contact" with ET beings. Maybe I should go and see a psychologist?

It would be the sensible thing to do.

Expressing a single symptom of a psychiatric disorder (if what I have done in the past is even considered a symptom of schizophrenia) is not any reason to go and consult a doctor. Honestly, that's like saying "If you have a small cough, you might have lung cancer!" or "You have a headache? BRAIN TUMOUR!".

Any symptom of mental disorder is much worse than a simple cough. It's more like coughing up a mouthful of blood.

But have it your way. I really don't care.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to get it checked out anyway just in case. I mean, if you're hearing voices in your head, which is more likely, that you are suffering a mild form of schizophrenia (which is more common than people think) or that you are being contacted by aliens (which as far as I know is somewhat less common).

Agree.

I don't exactly hear voices, but I have tried to "talk" to them... and I have seen their crafts. Call me crazy if you want, but honestly... I am fine.

The thing with aliens is, whether they exist or not, there will always be those who beleive in them, who have no evidence for this and actually are crazy. Even if aliens do exist.

Pretty much hit the nail on the head. Just because you did or did not experience these things, doesn't mean the scenario is 100% for others. These so called "interstellar entities" very well could exist in another dimension, thus communication could possibly be different. Then again, I could be wrong, but it's just speculation either way.

yeh true, maybe thats why out of the thousands of people that have claimed to have abducted, only a handful right books. many of them dotn Want attention. betty and barny hill. im sure a mixed race couple in the 60's is just in Desperate need of attention. and wanting to be called crazy

I honestly can say that I assume some of these cases are true.

I'll tell you right here and now that if I was an Extraterrestrial trying to connect with certain humans prior to physically reaching them, the very first thing I would do first is contact them telepathically. Absolutely so.

I contact aliens through the use of telepathy. For real. Seriously. Now, why does that make me schizophrenic? This is pure science:

We know that the brain is a huge electromagnetic transmitter that's capable of sending very accurate waves and thoughts. Through practice, we can focus these thoughts.

People have been doing this for centuries....the religious people call it 'prayer' when they pray to their 'god'.

I'm a Raelian, and we believe that a group of ET's created life on earth and we mistaken for 'gods'. They contacted a man named Rael (through a physical meeting) and gave him a message full of information. They've said that they record the thoughts of all human beings, but they are human just like us, so they obviously don't hear all of these thoughts at once.

When they are linked to certain individuals (especially Raelians) the telepathic connection is very strong. Perhaps they feel our thoughts like a wave passing through their bodies? Or perhaps it's like 'email' where they plug into a computer and hear the thoughts from there?

It's important to note that I've never heard back from them, nor do I expect to. Everything they need us to know was told to Rael, and they give him updated information through telepathy. He receives a yearly message on August 6th (a special day in the Raelian calander), but whenever he talks he is channelling information given to him by the ET's that created life on Earth.

Fair enough you don't believe in all of this, but science is starting to prove that telepathy is a real thing. Just a few months ago (I can't remember who) but a scientist/information technology guy invented technology where he put a helmet on his head and thought of what he wanted to say and a few seconds later a programmed voice would speak his message out through the speakers.

Now, there is a big difference between people who actually hear voices and go out and act violently and those who do no harm to people. In fact, the information given to Rael has been proven to be true (he was contacted in 1973 and science is revealling that all he is saying is true).

-Josh

So why do you hang out in a UFO forum? Just to debunk others testimony?

If You know its all not true, why do you stay?

Just courious?????

Love Omnaka

no friends? no life? who knows. maybe just to bust peoples chops?
just bashing people is different than coming on a forum to debate.

An abductee and a contactee are two completely separate things.

Abductees claim to have been taken against their will by alien beings.

Contactees claim to be able to communicate with aliens any time they choose (read post 19 for example).

I suggest you do a bit more research on this subject that you seem to be so interested in.

Now see to me these sort of comments point very distinctly at some form of mental self delusion. Since when has 'science' concluded that ''all he is saying is true''
I'm sorry but to me the above passage is a clear reason why this sort of subject is treated as a joke.

It still doesn't change the fact that the individual experiencing these things should seek psychological help. It's not healthy to just HEAR voices... that's not normal. I remember there was a guy wherein he heard a voice whom he believed was Jesus, and he killed people because the voice told him to (and believing the voice was Jesus, he carried out the acts). I am not trying to say that hearing voices would not necessarily indicate that they are of ET origin (I believe I have had some form of telepathic contact myself with these beings), but it certainly wouldn't hurt just to consult psychologist just to be sure.

In most cases, don't people go to see doctors/psychs to describe their experiences? This is why hypnosis is often used for abductees; to help them recollect the past event.

Bravo. I love your post. I grew up with an unmedicated schizophrenic mother. She believed many things. All of them not true.

Why not? It couldn't hurt.

What your are experiencing has to seem illogical to at least a small part of you? It would to me. Why not get a doctor's opinion?

Good grief.

This is exactly the kind of thing that totally baffles me
Why on earth would anyone devout their life to this kind of belief system? Where do you find the sense or reason in this? Don't you need more than the testimony of others to jump on that kind of bandwagon?
This is as bizarre and confounding to me as Scientology

If you read in depth about them, they use sex as a recruiting tool. Very sincere, huh.

Who does, Raeliens or Scientologists? I need to do some...uh...research.

Raeliens. I looked into it to awhile back.

umm, why would i do that? i know the difference, and the post i replied to doesnt specify, and goes to either.
sorry you wasted your time writing a pointless post.
and No, contactees Cant Talk to 'them' All the time. in some cases, its only when they Are contacted by 'them', they are able to communicate once again.
i sugguest you do more research on this subject buddy

You guys!

Tisk, tisk...

I have. :\ They don't see anything wrong with it.

Then I would suggest that is not a normal doctor that bases there beliefs in science.A normal doc would suggest a psychological cause. Come on.

true, they would do that to anyone. mainly because they Dont Want to believe what this person has told them, and because they think its too far fetched to be real. so they quickly try to dimiss it as some psychological problem.
while some doctors have actually stated they believe some of these 'contactees' or and 'abductees' to actually be telling the truth. while others will say its some sort of sleep disorder or dreams they have.

And so they should.

Did those Doctors have really small heads? And little bones thru there noses? Those are those scientologists Dr`s Ask Tom Cruise LoL

The post you replied to was mine and if you'd bothered to read the quote above it you would have realized that I was replying to Razor's comment which specifically referred to contactees.



You're misquoting me. I never said anything about "all the time." I even referred you to archangel josh's post as an example to what I was implying.

The topic of this thread is contactees and no one had said anything about abductees until you mistakenly brought them up.



I've done more research on this subject than you ever will.

I will give you one point, however. It is pointless trying to discuss this subject with you so I'll take your advice and stop wasting my time.

Sure, it could be a self delusion. Just like people who pray to God, right? It could apply to people who connect with the universe and feel it speaking through them. It could apply to mediums who receive 'messages' from above.

There is a big difference between self delusion and mental illness.

When I say that science is confirming the information given to Rael in 1973, I mean that when the ET's talk about certain things that sound scientifically unsound in 1973, science eventually proved them to be true. Either he's a good guesser, or he did receive accurate information from above. It's the same with mediums who received 'messages from the beyond'....they have sometimes made some very accurate prophecies.

-Josh

I see what you mean - hearing voices isn't a good indication of good mental health. However I'm looking at two extremes, in saying that those who hear voices don't always go out and kill people. They certainly need help, if it is affecting their life in a negative way and they're wandering the streets trying to get the voice out of their head. But there are people who hear voices that tell them very accurate information (mediums, prophecists etc).

PLEASE TELL ME MORE ABOUT YOUR TELEPATHIC CONTACT WITH ETS! I'm very excited to hear about it!

-Josh

Hey there,

Well, of course it sounds silly if you've only ever heard of Raelians in the post I just made! Sorry, I should have perhaps 'eased' people into it! You can download Rael's book 'Intelligent Design - Message from the Designers' for free at www.rael.org

Have a look and let me know what you think, it won't sound as silly if you read it.

The basic thing for me is that it makes more sense that we were scientifically created by humans from another planet and that they were mistaken for gods and this is how the religions started. They have been monitoring us and educating select people from humanity in order to spread a philosophy of peace and goodwill. Now that we're mature enough to understand them, as a mature humanity meeting another humanity, they want to meet us officially in an embassy built for them.

Does that really sound so stupid? It makes more sense to me that God sitting up on a cloud asking people to worship him!

-Josh

umm...........what
you said "Contactees claim to be able to communicate with aliens any time they choose"
and for some reason now, you claim you DIDNT say that. that they Cant contact them anytime...and that im wrong.............right...............anyone else confused by this? i sure as hell am.
i didnt mistakenly bring up abductees. i brought them up as well, for that general post i commented on. contactees and abductees ARE similar. as anyone well tell you. Many contactees, were Previous abductees. where as some are just abductees, and will always be that. and have no commuication with the aliens. not even when being abducted.
while a contactee can communicate with them. and like i said, some contactees were First abductees, and thus is how they became contactees later on.
read up
done and done. mulder 1. exeter 0
nice try though

I've sent you a pm rather than derail the thread with ot replies.

I posted this because I am angry with those who are possibly mentally ill and won't go seek the treatment. Unfortunately, many fall into that category.

You know what? I believe that aliens exist. I believe that it's quite probable that they visit Earth. (thus solving the Fermi Paradox) But that's where my belief in extraterrestrial ends. I guess aliens are the one who truly laugh at humans who believe they contact aliens by telepathy.

I believe that aliens exist and they might visit Earth for their own gains, NOT FOR OUR BENEFIT. To hardcore skeptics, we are on the same boat, like it or not.

Quite honestly I wish there were millions of Raelians in America, especially in So Cal where I live. Too bad Raelians are such fringe cult. Why do I say this? Raelians manage to recruit some hot chicks and I'd be happy to dive in their feast of sex, sex, and more sex.

And how about receiver??? Can you pinpoint powerlines in your house, just using your exclusive brain sensitivity? Can you listen radio stations in your brains? And thunderstorms?... Here I could write hundreds of questions...
IF ('Yes')
$1 million is yours (http://www.randi.org/joom/challenge-info.html)
ELSE
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