The cover-up of cold fusion may be coming to an end thanks to a team of Japanese scientists. What is cold fusion? What cover-up you say? Watch this video and many of your questions will be answered. The video explains how powerful cold fusion energy would be. It also explains how the technology has been suppressed in favor of nuclear fission, fossil fuels, and hot fusion.
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With cold fusion there is more energy in a cubic mile of seawater than all of the oil reserves on this planet combined. It has taken scientists a long time to discover the secret of cold fusion, but it looks as though a Japanese scientists may have done just that. This is stunning if it's true. I hope it is..............
On 23 March 1989 Martin Fleischmann of the University of Southampton, UK, and Stanley Pons of the University of Utah, US, announced that they had observed controlled nuclear fusion in a glass jar at room temperature, and — for around a month — the world was under the impression that the world's energy woes had been remedied. But, even as other groups claimed to repeat the pair's results, sceptical reports began trickle in. An editorial in Nature predicted cold fusion to be unfounded. And a US Department of Energy report judged that the experiments did "not provide convincing evidence that useful sources of energy will result from cold fusion."
This hasn't prevented a handful of scientists persevering with cold-fusion research. They stand on the sidelines, diligently getting on with their experiments and, every so often, they wave their arms frantically when they think have made some progress.
Nobody notices, though. Why? These days the mainstream science media wouldn't touch cold-fusion experiments with a barge pole. They have learnt their lesson from 1989, and now treat "cold fusion" as a byword for bad science. Most scientists agree, and some even go so far as to brand cold fusion a "pathological science" — science that is plagued by falsehood but practiced nonetheless.
There is a reasonable chance that the naysayers are (to some extent) right and that cold fusion experiments in their current form will not amount to anything. But it's too easy to be drawn in by the crowd and overlook a genuine breakthrough, which is why I'd like to let you know that one of the handful of diligent cold-fusion practitioners has started waving his arms again. His name is Yoshiaki Arata, a retired (now emeritus) physics professor at Osaka University, Japan. Yesterday, Arata performed a demonstration at Osaka of one his cold-fusion experiments.
Although I couldn't attend the demonstration (it was in Japanese, anyway), I know that it was based on reports published here and here. Essentially Arata, together with his co-researcher Yue-Chang Zhang, uses pressure to force deuterium (D) gas into an evacuated cell containing a sample of palladium dispersed in zirconium oxide (ZrO2–Pd). He claims the deuterium is absorbed by the sample in large amounts — producing what he calls dense or "pynco" deuterium — so that the deuterium nuclei become close enough together to fuse.
So, did this method work yesterday? Here's an email I received from Akito Takahashi, a colleague of Arata's, this morning:
"Arata's demonstration...was successfully done. There came about 60 people from universities and companies in Japan and few foreign people. Six major newspapers and two TV [stations] (Asahi, Nikkei, Mainichi, NHK, et al.) were there...Demonstrated live data looked just similar to the data they reported in [the] papers...This showed the method highly reproducible. Arata's lecture and Q&A were also attractive and active."
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QUOTE (cpjason @ May 27 2008, 10:45 AM) 
The cover-up of cold fusion may be coming to an end thanks to a team of Japanese scientists. What is cold fusion? What cover-up you say? Watch this video and many of your questions will be answered. The video explains how powerful cold fusion energy would be. It also explains how the technology has been suppressed in favor of nuclear fission, fossil fuels, and hot fusion.
watch this
With cold fusion there is more energy in a cubic mile of seawater than all of the oil reserves on this planet combined. It has taken scientists a long time to discover the secret of cold fusion, but it looks as though a Japanese scientists may have done just that. This is stunning if it's true. I hope it is..............
On 23 March 1989 Martin Fleischmann of the University of Southampton, UK, and Stanley Pons of the University of Utah, US, announced that they had observed controlled nuclear fusion in a glass jar at room temperature, and — for around a month — the world was under the impression that the world's energy woes had been remedied. But, even as other groups claimed to repeat the pair's results, sceptical reports began trickle in. An editorial in Nature predicted cold fusion to be unfounded. And a US Department of Energy report judged that the experiments did "not provide convincing evidence that useful sources of energy will result from cold fusion."
This hasn't prevented a handful of scientists persevering with cold-fusion research. They stand on the sidelines, diligently getting on with their experiments and, every so often, they wave their arms frantically when they think have made some progress.
Nobody notices, though. Why? These days the mainstream science media wouldn't touch cold-fusion experiments with a barge pole. They have learnt their lesson from 1989, and now treat "cold fusion" as a byword for bad science. Most scientists agree, and some even go so far as to brand cold fusion a "pathological science" — science that is plagued by falsehood but practiced nonetheless.
There is a reasonable chance that the naysayers are (to some extent) right and that cold fusion experiments in their current form will not amount to anything. But it's too easy to be drawn in by the crowd and overlook a genuine breakthrough, which is why I'd like to let you know that one of the handful of diligent cold-fusion practitioners has started waving his arms again. His name is Yoshiaki Arata, a retired (now emeritus) physics professor at Osaka University, Japan. Yesterday, Arata performed a demonstration at Osaka of one his cold-fusion experiments.
Although I couldn't attend the demonstration (it was in Japanese, anyway), I know that it was based on reports published here and here. Essentially Arata, together with his co-researcher Yue-Chang Zhang, uses pressure to force deuterium (D) gas into an evacuated cell containing a sample of palladium dispersed in zirconium oxide (ZrO2–Pd). He claims the deuterium is absorbed by the sample in large amounts — producing what he calls dense or "pynco" deuterium — so that the deuterium nuclei become close enough together to fuse.
So, did this method work yesterday? Here's an email I received from Akito Takahashi, a colleague of Arata's, this morning:
"Arata's demonstration...was successfully done. There came about 60 people from universities and companies in Japan and few foreign people. Six major newspapers and two TV [stations] (Asahi, Nikkei, Mainichi, NHK, et al.) were there...Demonstrated live data looked just similar to the data they reported in [the] papers...This showed the method highly reproducible. Arata's lecture and Q&A were also attractive and active."
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Its nice to see this type of post I havent finished the google video yet but intend to please link any futher information, I believe I will look at our university for more information (Purdue)watch this
With cold fusion there is more energy in a cubic mile of seawater than all of the oil reserves on this planet combined. It has taken scientists a long time to discover the secret of cold fusion, but it looks as though a Japanese scientists may have done just that. This is stunning if it's true. I hope it is..............
On 23 March 1989 Martin Fleischmann of the University of Southampton, UK, and Stanley Pons of the University of Utah, US, announced that they had observed controlled nuclear fusion in a glass jar at room temperature, and — for around a month — the world was under the impression that the world's energy woes had been remedied. But, even as other groups claimed to repeat the pair's results, sceptical reports began trickle in. An editorial in Nature predicted cold fusion to be unfounded. And a US Department of Energy report judged that the experiments did "not provide convincing evidence that useful sources of energy will result from cold fusion."
This hasn't prevented a handful of scientists persevering with cold-fusion research. They stand on the sidelines, diligently getting on with their experiments and, every so often, they wave their arms frantically when they think have made some progress.
Nobody notices, though. Why? These days the mainstream science media wouldn't touch cold-fusion experiments with a barge pole. They have learnt their lesson from 1989, and now treat "cold fusion" as a byword for bad science. Most scientists agree, and some even go so far as to brand cold fusion a "pathological science" — science that is plagued by falsehood but practiced nonetheless.
There is a reasonable chance that the naysayers are (to some extent) right and that cold fusion experiments in their current form will not amount to anything. But it's too easy to be drawn in by the crowd and overlook a genuine breakthrough, which is why I'd like to let you know that one of the handful of diligent cold-fusion practitioners has started waving his arms again. His name is Yoshiaki Arata, a retired (now emeritus) physics professor at Osaka University, Japan. Yesterday, Arata performed a demonstration at Osaka of one his cold-fusion experiments.
Although I couldn't attend the demonstration (it was in Japanese, anyway), I know that it was based on reports published here and here. Essentially Arata, together with his co-researcher Yue-Chang Zhang, uses pressure to force deuterium (D) gas into an evacuated cell containing a sample of palladium dispersed in zirconium oxide (ZrO2–Pd). He claims the deuterium is absorbed by the sample in large amounts — producing what he calls dense or "pynco" deuterium — so that the deuterium nuclei become close enough together to fuse.
So, did this method work yesterday? Here's an email I received from Akito Takahashi, a colleague of Arata's, this morning:
"Arata's demonstration...was successfully done. There came about 60 people from universities and companies in Japan and few foreign people. Six major newspapers and two TV [stations] (Asahi, Nikkei, Mainichi, NHK, et al.) were there...Demonstrated live data looked just similar to the data they reported in [the] papers...This showed the method highly reproducible. Arata's lecture and Q&A were also attractive and active."
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If it had been covered up, these guys would be in the obituaries instead of on the front page everywhere. Do you think they worked in a hidden fortress, surrounded by commandos?
I will reserve judgement on this for now. I will wait to see if this is scalable for actual energy production, or if it is just a novalty.
I will reserve judgement on this for now. I will wait to see if this is scalable for actual energy production, or if it is just a novalty.
If it becomes a reality, then it will be awesome.
On another thread on this subject I posted jokingly that the next thing they will be building will be their giant robots, but seriously, the next thing they will be building will be their giant robots. 
Anyone who follows the Japanese obsession with robots can find that the number one reason they have not attempted it yet that they gave was because of the problem of a suitable portable power supply.
Anyone who follows the Japanese obsession with robots can find that the number one reason they have not attempted it yet that they gave was because of the problem of a suitable portable power supply.
QUOTE (Bella-Angelique @ May 28 2008, 02:34 AM)
On another thread on this subject I posted jokingly that the next thing they will be building will be their giant robots, but seriously, the next thing they will be building will be their giant robots.
Anyone who follows the Japanese obsession with robots can find that the number one reason they have not attempted it yet that they gave was because of the problem of a suitable portable power supply.
Anyone who follows the Japanese obsession with robots can find that the number one reason they have not attempted it yet that they gave was because of the problem of a suitable portable power supply.
Lol yes.
QUOTE (cpjason @ May 27 2008, 09:45 AM)
Although I couldn't attend the demonstration (it was in Japanese, anyway), I know that it was based on reports published here and here. Essentially Arata, together with his co-researcher Yue-Chang Zhang, uses pressure to force deuterium (D) gas into an evacuated cell containing a sample of palladium dispersed in zirconium oxide (ZrO2–Pd). He claims the deuterium is absorbed by the sample in large amounts — producing what he calls dense or "pynco" deuterium — so that the deuterium nuclei become close enough together to fuse.
Deuterium doesn't just fuse, and that is why cold fusion won't work as described. It takes a certain amount of energy to obtain the density required for fusion to happen, and that energy is simply not available. It is rather basic physics, actually.
Cheers,
Badeskov
I'm sort of skeptical about this topic. However i think its logical that a cover up to some extent exists, because of the fossil fuel industry and the way scientests earn their living through grants. Having said that, i don't think the scientists working on cold fusion actually know whats going on; and thats probably the biggest issue. Its beyond what we understand and their sort of just jumbling things together hoping for the best and sometimes getting a positive result. I do hope someone produces a test everyone can replicated that works soon though.
QUOTE (Sardukar @ Jun 1 2008, 09:49 AM)
I'm sort of skeptical about this topic. However i think its logical that a cover up to some extent exists, because of the fossil fuel industry and the way scientests earn their living through grants. Having said that, i don't think the scientists working on cold fusion actually know whats going on; and thats probably the biggest issue. Its beyond what we understand and their sort of just jumbling things together hoping for the best and sometimes getting a positive result. I do hope someone produces a test everyone can replicated that works soon though.
I just don't see the need for this alleged cover-up, to be quite honest. It would actually be in the best interest of the fossil fuel industry to pump in a lot of funds and get this going, thus moving their focus from their current business. Fossil fuels will run out at some point, and they know it. Thus, they should do their best to get themselves into new industries.
Cheers,
Badeskov
But a cold fusion reactor would only cost a few thousand dollars to build. Where as they make millions each day through oil; its just much more profitable. Also the price of electricity from a cold fusion plant would be almost nothing for the consumer.
QUOTE (Sardukar @ Jun 2 2008, 09:41 AM)
But a cold fusion reactor would only cost a few thousand dollars to build. Where as they make millions each day through oil; its just much more profitable. Also the price of electricity from a cold fusion plant would be almost nothing for the consumer.
Not quite. A cold fusion reactor delivering enough energy to power a city would still be a rather big thing. And I am sure there would be some efficiency considerations by using "refined"water with a higher concentration of deuterium. Oh, I can see plenty of business opportunities if such were to exist. On the other hand, physics doesn't really favor cold fusion.
Cheers,
Badeskov
QUOTE (Sardukar @ Jun 2 2008, 09:41 AM)
But a cold fusion reactor would only cost a few thousand dollars to build. Where as they make millions each day through oil; its just much more profitable. Also the price of electricity from a cold fusion plant would be almost nothing for the consumer.
Humm. The structure to house the plant, heck, even the driveway to the structure, would cost thousands of dollars by them selves. It is a little naive to think that a couple thousand will start up a power plant. There is all kinds of infrastructure, permits, and materials that would need organizing and payment. It would not surprise me that, if this technology is even true, the first fusion plant would cost closer to a hundred million to get up and running.
Trust that the price of power is not going to go down to $0.01 / kWh just because of cheaper energy. If there were to be any drop in price, I can't see it falling much past 50%. Someone, somewhere will hike up the price.
It is the American Way.
Ofcourse a plant would cost millions. What im trying to say is, the cost of the actual power device would be insanely less than burning fossil fuel and the oil companies know this. You cant compare a small device, inwhich materials would cost barely anything to produce, compared to burning fossil fuel and coal.
I have read the reports of this cold fusion.And to say the least I am a bit of a skeptic when it comes to this a viable energy source.
This is just my opinion:The excess heat generated in these devices is just the reaction of the substances they were using,the electrolyte and the electrodes.This is just a overcomplicated school chemistry set that generates heat because of the reaction of substances through the use of there properties.
And the word Cold Fusion is just a hypothesis because it is unclear to explain what is really going on,so they bluntly stated that it is the reaction on a atomic level aka nuclear fusion.Which it is not
Drawn directly from there reports.
Fusion is the reaction that the sun uses.You need enormous amount of pressure and heat to even think of getting fusion.And in all what you get from a fusion reaction is heat and a lot of it.And this heat is what you use to generate electricity.
"Cold Fusion".I dont think can not generate the amount of useful energy or heat to power anything.Cold Fusion is still nothing but a theory.
One of many failed cold fusion experimental cells
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This is just my opinion:The excess heat generated in these devices is just the reaction of the substances they were using,the electrolyte and the electrodes.This is just a overcomplicated school chemistry set that generates heat because of the reaction of substances through the use of there properties.
And the word Cold Fusion is just a hypothesis because it is unclear to explain what is really going on,so they bluntly stated that it is the reaction on a atomic level aka nuclear fusion.Which it is not
Drawn directly from there reports.
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The first report of such an effect was published by Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons from the University of Utah in 1989. In their paper, they reported the observation of anomalous heating ("excess heat") of an electrolytic cell during electrolysis of heavy water using palladium (Pd) electrodes. Lacking an explanation for the source of such heat, they proposed the hypothesis that the heat came from nuclear fusion of deuterium. The report of their results raised hopes of a cheap and abundant source of energy..
Fusion is the reaction that the sun uses.You need enormous amount of pressure and heat to even think of getting fusion.And in all what you get from a fusion reaction is heat and a lot of it.And this heat is what you use to generate electricity.
"Cold Fusion".I dont think can not generate the amount of useful energy or heat to power anything.Cold Fusion is still nothing but a theory.
One of many failed cold fusion experimental cells
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QUOTE (Sardukar @ Jun 4 2008, 11:14 AM)
Ofcourse a plant would cost millions. What im trying to say is, the cost of the actual power device would be insanely less than burning fossil fuel and the oil companies know this. You cant compare a small device, inwhich materials would cost barely anything to produce, compared to burning fossil fuel and coal.
Just because their running costs may change doesnt mean they would have to alter their profit margin.
QUOTE (tipsy_munchkin @ Jun 4 2008, 06:32 AM)
Just because their running costs may change doesnt mean they would have to alter their profit margin.
Actually, I think they would grossly alter their profit margin - significantly raising it. Imagine if the running prices per unit energy dropped by a factor of 10, they could scale down their consumer price by, say, 3 and proclaim how cheap energy now is.
Cheers,
Badeskov
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Just because their running costs may change doesnt mean they would have to alter their profit margin.
The only reason oil is so expensive is because of supply/demand. Fusion energy would be so abundant that the supply would outwiegh the demand by a serious amount. And the cost of starting new reactors would be paid for by your tax dollars.
QUOTE (Sardukar @ Jun 5 2008, 09:48 AM)
The only reason oil is so expensive is because of supply/demand. Fusion energy would be so abundant that the supply would outwiegh the demand by a serious amount. And the cost of starting new reactors would be paid for by your tax dollars.
The only reason oil is so expensive is because of futures contracts!!
I don't believe its in the interests of any of the leading nations to have a super low cost, abundant energy supply like cold fusion, i think it would totally destabilize the world economy, and perhaps create to much of a level playing field.
The original Pon's experiment was duplicated before..but...."BUT"... it required more engery in than it put out.
I do believe fusion is possible on a small sclae like this but what's the point of using a 12volt battery to make 1volt
of energy.?
I do believe fusion is possible on a small sclae like this but what's the point of using a 12volt battery to make 1volt
of energy.?
QUOTE (lateagain32 @ Jun 13 2008, 02:28 PM)
The original Pon's experiment was duplicated before..but...."BUT"... it required more engery in than it put out.
I do believe fusion is possible on a small sclae like this but what's the point of using a 12volt battery to make 1volt
of energy.?
I do believe fusion is possible on a small sclae like this but what's the point of using a 12volt battery to make 1volt
of energy.?
Actually, while excess heat has been reported by other scientists, the replication seems to depend on luck. By far the most experiments yield no excess heat and no one can explain why it happens in those few cases. In all of the experiments certain nuclear products of the alleged fusion were missing, thus indicating that whatever the process, it wasn't fusion.
Finally, the power required to actually initiate fusion by far exceeds the energy input in the various experiments reported. Right now not only do we not have the theory to describe it, but all that we know about the area actually contradicts the possibility.
Cheers,
Badeskov
Whether it was reporduced by luck or whatever isn't the issue. The issue is that it is a POSSIBILITY. If we could do it once we could do it again
Cold Fusion if the ultimate technology.
We need to invest in it as much as we can. We alo need to be aware of other energy companies and their special interests
Cold Fusion if the ultimate technology.
We need to invest in it as much as we can. We alo need to be aware of other energy companies and their special interests
QUOTE (Open your mind @ Jun 19 2008, 09:41 AM)
Whether it was reporduced by luck or whatever isn't the issue. The issue is that it is a POSSIBILITY. If we could do it once we could do it again
See, that is indeed the problem. That it is reproduced by luck indicates that it isn't reproduced at all and what is seen is something else that has yet to be identified.
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Cold Fusion if the ultimate technology.
According to physics as we know it, it shouldn't work. And so far the experiments verify that, as the level of "reproducibility" is extremely low.
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We need to invest in it as much as we can. We alo need to be aware of other energy companies and their special interests
Not really. If one really wants to invest in that, the theoretical work that describes why it is actually possible should be derived first. So far it isn't possible according to physics.
Cheers,
Badeskov
ya this is more of a chemist's fantasy. But I really don't see how luck deprives it from it's exsistance. If we could catch what exactly happened on those lucky days, we'd have cold fusion! didn't you hear that a Japanese scientist recently demonstrated his version of the experiment in public and it worked. Sounds like its something to me.
QUOTE (Open your mind @ Jun 19 2008, 01:07 PM)
ya this is more of a chemist's fantasy. But I really don't see how luck deprives it from it's exsistance. If we could catch what exactly happened on those lucky days, we'd have cold fusion! didn't you hear that a Japanese scientist recently demonstrated his version of the experiment in public and it worked. Sounds like its something to me.
The problem is that an extra energy output was seen in those few lucky cases, however, the by-products of nuclear fusion were missing, thus whatever was going on, most likely it wasn't fusion.
Cheers,
Badeskov
i see your point. I could easily say that they just havn't found that by-product, but theres always the chance that it isn't nuclear fusion
it still would be a great energy source....in theory
it still would be a great energy source....in theory
QUOTE (Open your mind @ Jun 19 2008, 01:36 PM)
i see your point. I could easily say that they just havn't found that by-product, but theres always the chance that it isn't nuclear fusion
it still would be a great energy source....in theory
it still would be a great energy source....in theory
Oh, it would be a great power source (and I'd want my own;)) - but I personally have more faith in the larger, tokamak fusion reactors that researchers are trying to build. Unfortunately.
Cheers,
Badeskov
I hear what your saying badeskov and the bottom line is as always greed! thats why the price of oil is what it is today. Any Fusion power would be an end to oil greed and then mat evolve into fusion greed! Seems everyone wants to get rich on this rock. Shame isnt it? Well thats why we have computers to start the revolution of Non-Greed thought processes. Think about it for a min,we can change our world We as in each of us start the process by asking more of our elected officials. Beam me up Scotty! DONTEATUS
This is definitely the year to turn the thumb screws on them and demand low cost energy for all people. We have had hundreds of years of rule by those controlling energy resources and it needs to end. The world is in chaos now because of it.
Energy, water, and population control are the top issues and anyone who refuses to deal with NOW and not keep putting it all off is part of the problem that needs to go.
Energy, water, and population control are the top issues and anyone who refuses to deal with NOW and not keep putting it all off is part of the problem that needs to go.
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