First excuse my English.

I watched some of the Ghost Hunters episodes and clips and I really liked them but here’s my problem.
If you watched “Asylum” episode 9 (last episode) of season 4 there was this creepy “breath EVP” at the end which sounded fake but I did not notice somebody whispering “two one go” before breath until I read one You Tube comment.
You can hear somebody saying “ two, one go” before EVP during
”reveal” at the end and it was not Grant or Jason. It looks like it was recorded with “EVP”.
You can clearly see graphic view of EVP breath audio file including “ two , one go” on monitors during investigation and reveal.
When Steve played the file first time before Jason and Grant he skipped “two, one . go” and it is visible on screen, it looks intentional.
The EVP was played exactly after “go”, you can see where “two, one go” ends.
But during the reveal at the end they played the whole file with “two, one, go”.
I thought at first it is part of background music.
Listen and watch the audio file closely at 0:11 and at 5:05 and then again at 5:25-5:26 when Grant loop plays the file and it goes again to the starting loop point ( you’ll hear again “two”) after breath.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWTiZONs2so...laynext_from=QL

This particular episode looked staged from the beginning. Even their reactions looked unconvincing like there were acting and not really doing the good job. Breath EVP sounded fake to me even before I heard “2,1 go”.
Perhaps some of the recorded sounds were real but they decided to add extra creepy touch with that last.
I also have problem with Eastern State Penitentiary footage of apparition. TAPS claim that it was too fast to be human but you can see by movements of dust particles that video was sped.
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It wouldn’t bother me if someone ( perhaps Sci-Fi channel) faked some evidence without TAPS knowing it but I’m suspicious about these two cases because it seems that altering was done during investigation of the footage by TAPS.
I was getting really interested in Ghost Hunters because of their claims of objectivity and scientific approach. I didn’t see it as entertainment only but as an investigation of unexplained phenomena with serious implications but now I don’t know what to think about them.

We started a debate here if you wanna check it out http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...howtopic=126508 however to answer your question i believe network has to sometimes fake evidence for ratings. without evidence they dont really have a show.

Well , I didn't see the episode,but the 2,1,go sounds like someone counting down like when they go to a commerical break or something.The next time I call my sister in New York I'll ask her as she works in television up there.

After seeing some of the other things I don't really trust TAPS anymore. As far as last night goes, the old saying about things being too good to be true comes to mind.

I dont believe they would fake evidence but scifi might have them put things on the air that isnt evidence. Meaning I bet you so of those evps they've debunked knowing that it might be themselves but scifi might have them use it as evidence. Unfortunately when you're locked into a contract with a major network you kinda become a prisoner.

In their defense...

I agree that I think it would be the network faking or adding things in there rather than TAPS. I don't think TAPS would come this far to just start faking or forging evidence. The networks have the final say but I think Jay & Grant have a lot of say in the show too. Without them there is no show. Since Ghost Hunters is their #1 show on Sci fi I highly doubt they would fake. That would be pretty stupid on their part to ruin a really good thing.

Some things are purposely staged for scenes. But fake evidence? You would have to be pretty convincing to me to believe they would even consider faking evidence.

The show last nite reminded me of Most Haunted. With the asking for knocks, then bam there ar the knocks.

The knocks seem to be frequent lately? Its happened on more than one episode. Some things can be questionable but could be coincidence?

Good point. I ws waiting for on of them to get possessed.

Last thing we need for TAPS to start doing is the old Derek spook possession impersonations...

Well they are already doing the knocking from Most Haunted. Why go all the way.

Well, if they do, I'm just going to cry.

Want a tissue!? LOL

Even if they faked anything, Ithink they would still be the top rated show due to their competition being no competition at all.

Yep.

OMG, what competition?

Of course, I had my best laughs with Derek and him being possessed by spooks...

the other, it's just .... I can't think of a decent word to describe it.

Its that stuff under the rim of a dirty toilet bowl!?

I dont understand WHY Sci Fi would produce lies regarding evidence, thats so wrong. I would think if the ratings were going down they would discuss it, and send them to well known haunted places. I believe what happened, is what I felt all along. TRUST ME I feel bad about this. But they performed investigations one after the other forever and never got evidence. Most of us know, even people like me and you, that its not that difficult to get evidence of some sort anyway. I stand by the fact that if they brought a medium or sensitive in, they would get a whole lot more. Sprits dont respond to technical gadgets, but to people who know how to talk to them. For example, Donna always says "did you die here?" That is wrong, because most dont know they are dead. There is a way to bring them out, and all the technology in the world isnt going to do it, people do it..JN

Well, in the early seasons we don't know what evidence was thrown out in editing either. Maybe the point of the show (previously) was only show the best documented footage.. but changed to accept more overall footage.. Just a thought!

Without raw footage from all the cameras and audio devices we really can't say anything one way or the other. I doubt that TAPS would knowingly fake evidence, though Brian and a few others overact at every place they investigate.

I don't really understand how they expect to truly get decent evidence over 8 hours anyways.

Problem with this particular fake EVP is that during reveal when they played it before the client it was so audible. They all must’ve heard the countdown and still pretended to be amazed by breathing “EVP”. It means it was done intentionally by TAPS members and the client knew what was going on.
The only alternative explanation is that what we hear during reveal is different audio track inserted during post production by Sci-fi staff but somebody screwed and played the unedited file.
Still it doesn’t explain why would Steve skip this “countdown” part during investigation when he played the file before the Jason and Grant. You can see it was the identical file with same little spikes.
I work as sound FX designer for video games developer so I’m used to “seeing” sounds in audio editor and there was definitely something going on there not only before but even after we hear breathing “EVP”. Perhaps somebody talking , laughing, moving away from the site after recording fake EVP and then it stopped and we can see flat wave file again in audio editing software.

I don't hear it. I just don't. I'm starting to think it's the same effect as guessing what an unclear EVP sound is saying, it's the power of suggestion. I don't hear anything close to "Two, one, go".

Listen carefully at 5:05 you will hear someone whispering “2,1, go” then at 5:25 after breathing noise you can hear again “two” when player goes back to start loop marker. I don’t think it was just “matrixing” since audio is not only audible but also visible in software and too perfectly matched. I did consider other possibilities though . Crosstalk is one of them if they used analog transfer at certain point or if original EVP was recorded on an older analog tape recorder and then later transferred to digital equipment via speaker>mic>audio interface instead of digital transfer.
I know that some PI teams use old analog tape equipment for recording EVPs
If this was the case then it is possible that somebody would have whispered “2,1 go” to signal the start of recording but if we use Occam’s Razor then intentional faking should be taken in consideration as the first most likely answer.
Just to be clear, I wish it wasn't. I hope that TAPS is not faking the evidence just to boost the ratings or at least that they are not faking everything but only spicing things up a little bit when they investigate famous haunting locations. It would be very unprofessional and unethical to do the same when it comes to investigations of private homes.

If all else fails ask TAPS. If enough people ask the sight will respond.

I heard it for the first time, but whats up with music? JN

Nope they will not. They were asked over and over after the manson house thermals. And Jasons reply was to insult people.

I don't know who said it... but one person said, all of these shows are on TV. Why read into so much with a TV show? If their faking evidence, they'll sink their own ship. I am sure at some point they will have to come forward about it if asked enough. Or it could be to the point where they've gotten so popular they just don't care?

I missed that! What was the insult, btw?

So, basically you're saying that someone said "one, two, go" then a person responded on cue by breathing into the mic of the recorder as a ghost? I heard the "go" clear as a bell, but I didn't think it was in any way hoaxed, or set up to make a look a certain way..could be, but I didn't get that impression.. :}

Without original recording we’ll never know for sure anyway.

However, after viewing more episodes I must say there is so much suspicious evidence that I wouldn’t even know where to start. This EVP is only tip of the iceberg.
Now it seems to me that GH is indeed just TV “reality” show meant primarily for entertainment, not for serious investigation of paranormal phenomena and I’m far more interested in latter.

Well, that's certainly interesting you say that. I'd love to know what (evidence) brought you to that conclusion?? I'd seriously consider it with an open mind, regardless even if it's TAPS or whoever... you're welcome to PM.
anyoldway...

I'm interested in the "serious investigation of the paranormal" myself-- I think that many of us (here) feel that way. Faking, entertainment, air time, I don't give a goat's rear-- I want genuine intentions...Anyone interested on the subject knows how difficult it is to get any respect, or validation on the subject for the most part-- Need more working for that reason, not against that..

If you go to Scifi.com there is a video clip of Jason and Grant at comicon, they talked about how they are at some locations for up to a week, but that scifi edits it to make it look like they are doing it all in one night. *shrug* Maybe they are only talking about the big places like the Stanley Hotel.

First, for the love of whatever might be floating around out there ... please to not compare Most Haunted with TAPS! There is not the slightest bit of resemblance between the two. Most Haunted is so beyond the asinine as not to be funny -- and a proven fake! This is not the case with TAPS. At least they go about it in a more scientific manner -- trying to disprove first. Most Haunted cannot say the same. How that show even stays on the air is beyond me! How many times do you have to prove them frauds before people stop watching?!

It has been mentioned here that TAPS finds something in every episode. However, what Grant and Jason have repeatedly stated, is that the majority of their investigations result in total bupkis! What the audience sees on TV ... are the particular spots where they have actually found something -- and even then they still show episodes where they find absolutely nothing.

As for faking evidence ... I find it very difficult to believe that TAPS would fake evidence. And I certainly do not believe they would allow the Sci-fi Channel to plant bogus evidence. Out of all the paranormal investigators TV has inundated us with, these guys seem to be the most honest. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. But I certainly hope that I'm not. Again, I think the paranormal deserves serious scientific investigation ... and TAPS seems to be giving the unknown some decent credibility.

Most kindly,

Sean

Amen to that!

He called people F'n morons and idiots a number of times. Jason is to stuck on himself.

There are two types of people in the world ones the question Jason and laugh at his insults and realize he himself is really ignorant, and those who think he is God and just believe everything him and Grant say

Very true.

What a jerk and how unprofessional is he? GRRRRRRRRRRR JN

Ha! That's a disturbing image. Someone please un-stick 'em.

I don't know. It might be hard to remove his inflated head from his rectum.

O' Gez, thanks for the visual- How can I ever repay you..

Not a problem. glad i could have helped!

O' umm, you shouldn't have..

I find it hard to believe that these guys fake anything. They built up a reputation and a credibility for many, many years, before there was ever a show about them, and now they may very well be the most famous ghost researching team out there. Why would they throw away all these years of establishing a sound reputation just to grab some better ratings? The reality is, Taps probably does hundreds of investigations a year, especially now because they are so famous; and they probably record all of them, like everything could potentially be an episode of GH. But then they only air the ones that typically get the most activity so it will have better ratings. Then throw in a few where they didn't find anything to create balance.

TAPS has a rare chance to bring paranormal research to the forefront of our culture and in science and parapsychology. This has always been ridiculed by the mainstream scientific community since the 1800s and the beginnings of psychical research. But I think now people are starting to take notice, finally. TAPS has helped the cause. Now why in the world would they undo what they have done by faking it? 1 step forward 2 steps back? I highly doubt they would stoop to such a low.

Scifi probably says to them 'give us the best you got so we can air those'.

Jay and Grant are good guys. I think they're damn good at what they do.

"Rectum, damn near killed em."

Well said 1888! Couldn't agree more!

Most kindly,

Sean

"Jay and Grant are good guys. I think they're damn good at what they do. "

Snake drains? Sorry could help myself.

LOL I was tempted to say "damn good drain cleaners" but you said it first LOL..JN

Ok, this is what I hear... The first time at 0.11 I only hear the breath. The second time at 5.05 i hear it, and the last time at 5.25 I don't hear it.

So, to clarify the only time I can hear it is at 5.05... I hear the 2..1...go. However... If it were a countdown you would expect the timing between each number and "go" to be the same... say, a second between each. However, the timing between the 1 and "go" is half a second. What i'm saying is the time signature (for want of a better word) isn't very consistant with what you would say if you were counting someone down, plus, if you were going to fake such a thing, why the hell would you need someone to count you down? I'm sure the "fake breather" can count on their own, or simply been cued with fingers, rather than audibly... on an EVP to countdown out loud like that is just utterly *******ed.

Also, notice the music in the background... it "peaks" right after the "go".. maybe it was in post-production, timing the music up with the scene, or even when they were recording the music itself. Refering to the visual of the EVP, I would say that the "go" is louder than the "2-1", however, the only peak is on the "1".

Or, maybe they are just faking it, although I would hope that if this was the case, they'd put a bit more effort in. I hope they're not faking, but i won't be surprised if they are. It's TV.

I like to examine things for myself and draw my own conclusions, rather than taking someone else's word for it and slagging off TAPS, because someone else said they might be faking something, which, looking at his thread, it seems like most people have done.

Okay,that's what i thought from the description,that it was like they caught something during production of the show,which is quite possible.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It is a television show. It is meant to entertain and generate revenue, not to provide truth. There is probably some real strange things they discover, and there are bound to be misrepresentations and even outright lies. It's as fun show, but that's all it is.