Atlantis if real wasnt hidden. it would have been distroyed. the best youl find if they discover where it was is ruins. mabye some old artifacts but they wont find anymore than rubble. unless the claims of advanced technology is true.

wait. and r u trying to say that scientists have been searching for atlantis for centuries......and they could have just looked on google earth?????

any thoughts?

Yes it looks like the scene in Disneys atlantis where it gets covered in lava which then sets.

Could you tell me what it is and where its from please.

ISA

yes it was found in minoan Akrotiri....the bit that remains from the island called Thera, now Santorini...the painting dates to c.1500 BC and depicts the island before the eruption.

they had 2 and 3 story buildings with advanced water systems including flushing toilets upstairs.

hows that for an advanced urban society on an island with the city ringed by water that was destroyed in a cataclysm?

some more frescos from Akrotiri



the mill

here's a chart with timeline, and various cultural influences in Akrotiri

ISA, a question..
Please dont beat around the bush, please answer the question

What does the paintings have to do with Atlantis??
do the paintings show anything indicating atlantisor do they pinpoint the location of atlantis?
all i could see is that when you mirror the paintings, you get different and interesting shapes and figures.

havent you heard of Pareidolia?


I feel that this is the same thing you are experiencing.
But my question is what does your findings have to do with atlantis????

PAREIDOLA MY As*

* SNIP *









ISA

i asked you a question in a quite decent manner.

if you dont believe in Pareidolia, say a "No". There is no need to go into an abusive mode.

then again, you r beating around the bush without answering the question.

Mind your language, son.

Ahem.

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so maybe you should patrol Vermin posts and snip a little here and there

ISA

The warning posted applies to everyone as does the request to stick to the topic being discussed, if you have a problem with a moderator request or with another member please take it to PMs.

Lets get this thread back on track please.

here you go wea:

I love a good story.
Once uppon a time...long, long ago...

The name of the tectonic plate we are speaking is: ATLATIA .
Atlatian skin colour was red.
Time to rollback would be 35.000 years.
There was a nice town, Onai, got fully destroyed due to a riot, it was the most southern port of atlatia.
Involved in the incindences that belong to the last years of Atlatia is the mother-continent Mu - home of the Lemurians. They looked very different from the atlatians.
Atlatia was out the eastcoast of the US in the atlantic bassin.
Mu was out the westcoast in the pacific bassin.
The US and Mexico was a swampland.
And the bassins were dry land with waterways, shippable.
The atlatians have developed themselfs to serious intellectual and technological fanatics.
They hated the Lemurians, becouse the people of Mu where psychic in nature, they believed in a "unknown god"
The atlatians believed in nothing but intellect. ...funny people !
I dont know how atlatians were befor they went nuts, but these gus were not the source of these romantic and colourfull phantasies, so many people like to have !
Atlatia was in war with a enemy that had a base in our orbit.
Prefered weapon of this time was some sort of a beam- or lightrayweapon.
Atlatian usage of this intense laserlight, to hit a big target outside earths atmosphere, was responsible for the destruction of the "stuctural integrity" (i like this words ) of earths closed cloudcover.
The moisture that was contained in this "womb" is the water we have today as OCEANS that cover 70% of modern earths surface !
Atlatia did not sink in a ocean - Atlatia drowned themselfs from water that "crashed" from the stratosphere down to earth, while in certain areas, the atmospheric effects where so devastating that big animals deepfrozed in moments.
Tectonic plate pressure due to the big water pushing down the plates caused the plates to give away and move.
Atlatia moved, in our understanding of the map, south and is called today Antarctica.
The ruins and remains are under several miles of ice.
Lemuria had not so much luck. It got drowned to 100%. Some of them survived.
The continental map of these days looked quite different of what we know today.
If you are scientist, you have, ofcourse, the right for a own opinion. But i am afraid - no one really cares.

The technology, exotic races and the civilitations visiting openly, and more stuff...that was everydaylive in these time of atlatia, is above our heads, and reason enough NOT to know it.
Becouse what we are after in asking questions, is to expand our live and our understanding of it - for the sake of joy.
But so much of our history is NOT romantic - but much about terror and unspeakable and unbearable losses !
The question comes up, can we handle the info? If we are fanatic and hysteric it will be not for our good.
This is reason why it is enough for me, and i am feddup for good- above stuff is openly avaiable for everyone. Go digg for it


And if they didnt die, they still are alive and well.
This was a true story

wow...this is fascinating.

nice story Victumeusego,



im not sure that is entirely true.



this however is quite probably true for many, but that depends on your perspective, and the way that history is presented.

As you seem to have picked up on, people want a romantic story. People want to hear about the unnatural, the improbable, the impossible..(hence the success of this website), but people are also interested in discovering the truth behind these stories, if one can be found. If one single truth cannot be found the initial response may be one of dissapointment ....but hey im glad i dont still believe that Santa really exists.

I'm going to back up LG here. There are some people who care.

--Jaylemurph

the greatest evil is the deep fog of forgetfullness someone once said and let us not forget those that came before us that walk in the flesh and spirit.

let's get back on track , to atlantis and what better way then talk from the heart of the atlantic in among those atlantic prov,you know that, that is ancient and for ever the first and what will be the last.

in the story the egyption preast was explaining to the greek on how they did not follow in their father's way's and they to come to fall from grace .
and me being my father's son in flesh and blood and a brother to all my brother's and all my sister's,if you love the father you love the son and if you love the son you love the father them two are one.

Hmm... your are absolutly right lil gremlin.
I dont intent to pick on people about their prefered choises and perspectives. This has to be respected, even i know this.
On one hand, if one wants to find out what happened under the sun, how the past was, so that we understand why we are today the way we are, then creative imagination is not helpfull.
On the other hand, creative imagination, romantic views and rich phantasy are a exclusive and required tool to create unique and phantastic futures. I wished i could do this better.
Wea wanted a reply, and i had to share a story.

And PS:
I like this forum. Its well led.

Verminator My apologies but in my defense I take some things the wrong way and can be offended quite easily ,(ASPERGERS SYNDROME)

as regards the questions your asking I am not beating about the bush really I just feel the answers your wanting are in the thread already.

If anyone of the members who has read and understood the links and would like to answer Verminator from their perspective and understanding that would be a good Idea I think then I can add my bits as to where we may differ in opinion if at all.

Just an Idea to get people discussing their theories on what I have found


ISA

ISA, i read the whole thread two times and examined all the paintings mirriored by you.
I see a lot of interesting shapes that are formed when you mirror the paintings.
But i dont see a marker that points or tells that "x marks the Spot" or "this is the spot where atlantis once stood"

Sorry if i got your goat.
I have that effect.

As far i beleive , the whole myht of atlantis was created by plato based on thera/santorini.

cheers.

Atlanis in Europe and Ballkan.

Let's talk a little bit about the story of Atlantis .This what we are supposed to do.Wright?!.
Plato is referring to an Island that used dwelt outside the famous Pillars of Heracles.
Talks about an empire that ruled with iron-fist a waste area in Mediterranean and North Africa .Now some scientist are taking in great consideration the fact that Plato by Island meant the fact that Capital City of such empire was constructed in an area close to the sea that was altered in an artificial island. According to Plato it took several generation till this “island” was transformed in a magnificent city which the main function was to harbor the trade ships in such a manner that was never done before. Plato expressed the opinion that how such a thing can be human made and not natural. In fact Plato at the beginning is referred to Mythology .He talks about the story of Poseidon falling in love and then intercourseing with a mortal woman Cleito (Possible archaic form of the word klithje.alb=scream. eng) the daughter of native couple Evenor (posb. archaic form of Vendor.alb=native.eng) and Leuccipe (posbl.archaic form of Leshprere. alb=HairCutted.eng which in Laberia Highlands is refered to a woman joining the manhood. Not in the harsh meaning of Manish woman but in the meaning of brave and strong one.)Anyway Poseidon fall in love with this woman Cleito and created the famous Island by digging circle canals around the land that was supposed to be the “house of love” of him and this astonishing woman. Jealousy (typical Mediterranean feeling) was a crucial force of this initiative of the god in isolating the area from the rest of human .Cleito belong to him and none would even dare to think in approaching her. Same old story of locking the Princes in the famous golden tower. Of course by Forces of God Poseidon we can understand that Plato meant the forces of nature that in a certain period of earth costal formation created this shapes that in generations to come were altered and transformed in the famous island of Atlantis. Same stuff as Venetia or today’s Manhattan.
Now there a is certain opinion in the scientific community that Plato was the first one mentioning the name of Atlantis .Well my dear friends its wrong. I don’t want to use other sources but just one. Heredotus in his first book Cleo 202 confirm that this name Atlantis was used at least 100 years ago before Plato.

"But one of the mouths of the Araxes flows with clarity into the Caspian Sea; but the Caspian Sea is by itself, not connected to the other sea. For the sea navigated by all the Greeks and the one outside the Pillars called the Atlantis Sea and the Erythraean, are one and the same."
Now wait a second He is Talking about the sea named Atlantis and another sea Erythrean(Erythrea).Not many people knows the fact that in early days (Herdodtus Time) the Ionnian was known as the Sea of Rhea or Cronus. Could the Sea Erythrean be the Sea of Rea.Till now people identifies the Erythrean Sea with the Red Sea or Indian Ocean but no one ever thought that Heredotus was talking about the Sea that was closer to Hellenic world. In fact we all know that the oceans are all connected with each other but in Herodotus times the knowledge of the world was to much limited as it is now. At that time no one ever toke a journey around Africa so he could establish the existence of the oceans (Indian or Atlantic).In fact Herdotus talks about Thalasos (seas).
Now lets talk about the name of the Sea Erythrean.In my opinion it is the form of the name of the Rhea Sea(Titaness).Rhea was a goddess (titaness) and there are scientific opinions that this name is archaic form of the albanian word Rjedh=Flow.In fact in modern Albanian Rjedh(flow) takes another meaning of the word =pure(eng)=rjedhshem. Well the Ionian Sea is as pure as god’s tear.
Ion was the son of Dyrrachious (who gave the name to Dyrrachiom .modern Durres) he was killed accidentally by Heracles(Illyrian or Etruscan name is Hercles archaic form of Albanian name hekur-le=born as iron) while he(Heracles) was helping Dyrrachios in the war against his brothers. After the death of Ion he throws the body to the sea and so the Sea was called Ionian Sea. Even Adriatic Sea has a Illyrian origin from the word "adur" =water eng.=uje alb.=aqua ital. In Greek =hydro and in English takes the form of Drawn. This freaking Illyrians were really obsessed with water and sea isn’t it.?
Now ,could it be that the Strait Of Otranto many milleniums ago used to be called the Pillars of Herculis and the Adriatic sea used to be Called Atlantis .Heredotus (father of History) used to say that Erythrean and Atlantis Sea were one and the same.
So myths locations ,history ,Heracles ,Titans and Titaness Rea, Atlas, sea name, Durresi has it all.

See Source for further reading

NOT A FICTION...........................




Some studies shows the fact that the story of Atlantis is not a story that has an accurate beginning and accurate end. If we look it carefully through the lines of Plato’s tale we can realize the fact that his work is based upon the reference of the third person’s
Confessions.
Smart isn’t it.
If anything is not accurate he can blame it on the guy that is telling story.
We do that all the time.
Blame Solon, blame anyone you want. After all history is not an exact science.
But anyway the characters that Plato is using in his version of Atlantis story are really very important history figures. Let’s take for example Solon.
A very distinguished personality of 6th century b.c. Even Cricia is a very important figure in Hellenic history .He used to be the member of the “the thirties” in Athens a technocracy of the first half of 4th century when Cricia was the main ruler and as it turns out from the historians the person who convicted Socrates .He was Plato’s uncle too.
Now if you were Plato would you put in the mouth of such important persons the story of Atlantis by knowing that is all a “fiction”?
Unless you are a nutcase I don’t think sow.
Plato remembers very well the fate of his mentor and teacher Socrates. Well his uncle ordered to poisoning him (because of his “heresy”).
So as it turns out that Plato didn’t care at all about the accuracy of his story and this my dear friends means conviction .Plato believed deeply in his heart that Atlantis story was a real one and he uses this important or V.I.P. personalities in function of the accuracy of his story.Now there is a sort of utopia spirit in Platos’s story .He describes the Athenians and specially Atlantenians as people of such merits that you can barely distinguish them from gods.
Plato was really a romantic sick son of gun.
Under the influence of such romantic spirit you can make e village look like metropolis ,you can make city look like an empire and you can make year look like a century.
In modern time but maybe even in old ones you can sell a lot copies of your book.
Its not cheating, its not lying its just enriching your master piece with such elements that makes it eternally a “best seller”.

See Source for further reading

is this stuff written by you or you have copy pasted it from else where?
if you have copy pasted from another website, please give the source /weblink, please.

Plagarised from http://atlantisinalbania.blogspot.com/2008...aulantiies.html

and http://atlantisinalbania.blogspot.com/2008...nd-ballkan.html

i asked him for the source link and he kpe ton posting. he posted the three posts within 1/2 hour. IMHO, it would take a man more than 1 hr to type out all that things.

Could someone ask the mods to remove it and politly ask him to start his own thread unless he wants to actually discuss the findings

As regards the x marks the spot Da

1 The scarab shaped city is underwater ties in with The MYTH LEDGEND HISTORY of Atlantis

2 Leonardo was a Grand Master of the Priory of Sion 1510-1519 it is said. They are linked to the Freemasons and their Logo (P o S)is supposed to be the fleur de Lye tied with a figure of eight.

http://www.blumation.com/kheper33/images/P...f_Sion_Logo.jpg

The fleur d lye appears in the folds of marys clothing when I mirrored the part of the painting which at the same time shows The Giant Apex and crucifix above The dodecahedron domed scarab



The dodecahedron is mentioned in the writings of Plato and is described by him as



coincidence or cryptic you decide I know what I believe especially seeing how it ties so well with the inscription on the plinth atop which is a large scarab near the Sacred Lake in the Temple of Karnak






The plinth is in the area that projects completed by Ramesses IX who in his tomb KV6 has that image of the scarab which, is as close as you like to the four scarab beetles on the ceiling of the free masons hall in London, a solomons temple ,that all point towards the giant crystal which is actually a stylised flag of Macedon which Alexander the great was ruler of . And alexandria in Egypt is named after.

3 The freemasons are credited with wanting to establish a New World Order , actually based on Atlantis as Francis Bacon (apparantley a famous freemason) wrote about in his book "The New Atlantis "




GOOGLE BOOK REVIEW ONLINE OF THE NEW ATLANTIS

4 The freemasons are deeply associated with the egyptians in the symbology even easier to see is the roof above the masonic temple ceiling in London Being a Pyramid



5 Disney was a freemason well actually a member of Demolay and has hidden much in the cartoons these people produce Like I said in an earlier post that the atlantis disney cartoon had giant hovering stones above its city that actually protected it What is the christian symbol taht many choose to wear as a form of protection The crucifix

People have said Walt Disney was a Modern Day Leonardo think about the art accept for a minute the idea of hidden symbology , and the animatronics that make the Theme parks what they are

Then look at this





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo's_robot

Is this helping Da Verminator ?

ISA

How about I indulge him and anyone else who may be new and wants to discuss general Atlantis ideas, I'll start an Atlantis Discussion Thread.
So, THOT if you would like to repost or add that link there it would be welcome in a general brainstorming discussion of all aspects to do with Atlantis. I already have a Troy one going if you have any thoughts or links to contribute there.
I just read some info from an Albanian Atlantis site and it brings forth some great ideas.
Thanks.

ISA,

You mention a Scarab shaped city that is now underwater. I dont see any. I see a pic with scarab like images (i doubt whether these are scarabs indeed. have to have a closer look!!) and scarabs are plenty in all ancient egyptian monuments.

In the mirrored painting all i could see is Yoda in a red cloak in the middle where the mirrored images start.

Just as in the post to which you has taken offence earlier, i repeat once again,

When a person looks at an image, human mind can play tricks, showing shapes and images inside the original paitning or photograph, which sometimes is generated by the person's own mind in anticipation of what they are seeking for in the image.


Da Vinci was a genius.
Walt Disney was just a inker/a visonary cartoonist and businessman.
Dont shame da vinci by linking him with Walt Disney. Da Vinci is leagues ahead of him even in art and technology.
Da vinci developed his genius and inventions thorugh extensive observation, tinkering and practise.
Ok. he was a member of the Priory of Sion, which had links to the Free masons and the knights templar. But how is that relationship connected to atlantis?

Could this be turning into a team effort then pooling ideas as well as continuing our own threads

ISA

WAAS Toth was copy pasting from another blog.

Yes, verm, it's all good, I know he didn't say so but he is new...anyways, I did read the link and read another link of Albanian Atlantis and it sounded quite a good read with many link ups to some of my own Etruscan conclusions. I link alot of stuff, not my own words but things I agree with, no matter. Thanks for your post in my new thread!

Absolutely, a huge team effort brainstorming quest! I have 3 threads already on my own theories of Atlantis and Troy, this is a great way of gaining more info for our own theories, and keeping it condensed hopefully in one thread rather than going off on a different tangent such as TOTH did, we can read his input in the discussion thread and see how we can utilise the information.

ok sory to everyone i m new here meaby i did something wrong meaby i dident understand right the topic but i think everyone can contribute on this topic but anyway i see that i m not welcome here, u can also delete all my posts if u want.
Anf of course i did copy paste them anyway if someone opens a new topic and do not allow anyone else to discus or add his/her imput, than that topic is selfish and not worth reading.

greets,
Thot

Hi Thot, sorry for calling you Toth.
You are very welcome here but you sort of derailed the thread, that's all. I'm sure ISA has put much effort into her work and when a post like yours comes in and throws the whole thread in a different direction it sort of derails it. It's best to find a topic more suitable to your post or start a new thread yourself!

Anyway I myself have more than enough Atlantis threads to keep everyone happy and love reading new and interesting posts in them. Feel free to contribute your opinions there.

Yes Welcome Thot It was just a long cut and pasting that as WAAS said derailed things abit, please read the whole thread and please contribute your opinions , but try not to be as harsh as Verminator

ISA

Wow!! I just read through everything from beginning to end (Including links) and my head is just spinning!! I can hardly follow this, but it's definitely got me hooked, lol!!

some of it, some of it.........

Please itsnotoutthere (oh but it is out there if you look) feel free to be intelligent and challenge bit by bit so I can answer your doubts with my ideas I really cant abide these members that fly in drop a single unthoughtout comment then dont have the decency to say something challenging, and use their obviously superior intellects to show how their disbelief is justified.(ususally I guess because they can't!!!)

ISA

After doing a little research, the only reference made connecting Leonardo da Vinci with Atlantis is through the Disney Animated Film, Atlantis; The Lost Empire. The connection is made through a book called the The Shepherd's Journal, however these are all ficticious accounts made for the film. The only Shepherd's Journal in existance is a New Zealand publication on Sheep. The images made when mirroring the paintings of da Vinci are mearly patterns being made out by your mind. The only evidence of a 'sunken island' anywhere near to the area of the Mediterranean you are reffering to, was 10 miles of the northern coast of Crete, not to the South.

if u know its there then why not present this to some archeological team go ther find some relics come back and be rich and famous
oh and i get 85% of profits cus i thought of the ida lol

Your obviously an expert please explain away every single "coincidence" and I will concede but I know you cant deny the evidence that is hidden here the beetle on the floor of the meds a good starting place , Look for yourself its there with the apex and crucifix still laid on it then explain that image in mary window . what I dont like is people with a distinct lack of intelligence just rolling in and haveing a go because they cant understand something thats beyond their IQ level, ok ok , its not a video game or the teletubbies but I have done what I can so far to explain to you how it fits together , and unfortunatly for you you can see from my post here that many more than dont do agree with this theory of mine and have the intelligence to be able to put together the pieces for themselves

CYA

ISA

If you use Nasa Worldwind, instead of Google Earth, you get a bit more detail of "Beetle Island" as I used to call it! (Eratosthenes Seamount)

Not taking sides in this issue, but here's a mirror image picture of trees. If you look at the top, dead centre, you will see a beetle outlined. Or is it my imagination?

Hero --
I think it's a little rude to forcibly interject reason where it isn't wanted. If they want to see magic beetles and talk about inextant books, let them. *snip - removed unnecessary link*

--Jaylemurph

Yes i must apologise to ISA, knowledge certainly isn t welcome here, im off to join the cult of Disney i think
although Qoais has certainly rocked my beleifs, perhaps Atlantis is in the trees.

I just wanted to make a fast reply, I enjoyed reading your thoughts on your findings.

I am curious in your post you mentioned Jesus (Ra)-what led you to this thought or idea to combine these two souls

And I know you gave an answer to a post question earlier about where you got the 'Law of One' idea-but could you elaborate on this please. The fact that you spoke of a Law of One and compared Jesus to Ra is very curious...

I dont see the comparison though to Atlantis a 100%, I am not trying to disprove anything....so please dont take me wrong. It is interesting about an Island or Land that would of been shaped as a Scarab Beetle-for me though, for it to truly represent something as such a great city such as Atlantis, it would need to be undoubtedly accurate and not somewhat accurate. Same with all of the pictures that represent the 33degree angle, only one of the pictures posted showed both angel lines reprsented by a pointed finger. The other pictures were only of one pointed fingure to represent one of the angel lines. I find this to be important, for we dont want to come up with an idea on just assumption that the other second line to the angel would sometimes be a bottom of anothers hand or right through the middle of the hand-I dont know, to me those things really matter. I would research more on the picture that did have the angel represented with two fingers pointing to show precisely an angel of 33 degrees Now-if you would of shown me several pictures that had pointed fingers in all of the pictures to reprsent a hidden geometric shape, then I think there would be more to look at about the 33degree. Atlantis has many stories, the idea of the lighthouse connecting to Atlantis is just one of those. But-still, yet very interesting, the light beam you seem to of gotten with the mirror image of the Pregnant Mary. I think this is where you need to do more research for you could be on to something more then a light house representation. The idea of a intellegent civilization that could of had a hidden meaning that humans in that time couldnt deal with because of the religion division that has always seperated man. Also could of been a hidden agenda to some that they were or could be a part of this more intelligent thought group of souls. I feel that you are on to more then what you think with the Scarab Beetle, but my personal opinion is that it doesn't necessarily relate to Atlantis-but could be, who knows really. The problem with images is they are like a Ink Spot-you can find almost anything, especially if certain objects really mean alot to you.

Im trying to give an honest opinion with out making offense-I see this thread has been ridiculed well-but again, you are trying to say something is 100%. You would probably get a better response from people if you would just make a suggestion of something(this gives people a little room to wiggle in zones of discomfort), rather then a without a doubt assumption.



Disney is cool and agree with ya that he had a 'great channel of thought' lets say

Since you have a passion for this kinda thing and you seem to feel when something is sychronistic to your spirit, I hope you keep researching this kind of thing, we need more open minds in the world.

The Scarab Beetle is very important to the beginnings of many things here on this earth. The Scarab Beetle is way before Atlantis-in my opinion, as I do respect others.

sorry about my mis-spelling of angel-angel angle-same thing really anyways-angel is a angle of the ONE

33degree angle-there ya go

Jaylemurph, I hope you're not referring to that huge phallic symbol dead centre

No disrespect Qoais but NASA LOL arent they the guys that went to the moon LOL

ISA

Hi Isa
Actually, I thought the Russians did that and Nasa took the credit !! Just kidding.

Notice to all members - please keep things civil and DO NOT DERAIL THREADS with off-topic irrelevant comments. I've waded through two pages of arguments about someone quoting sources. This happened two days ago, and could have been resolved by simply hitting the "Report" button which can be found on the bottom-left hand side of every post. If someone is not quoting sources, don't derail the thread even further by making posts saying they are not quoting sources. Report it, and moderators can come in and do something about it!

I've also deleted/edited some of the more off-topic remarks. Please stay on topic, or this thread will be closed and warnings issued as deemed appropriate edit: I have just noticed that both Tiggs and Saru have been on here only a couple of days ago to request that people stay on topic and refrain from flamebaiting. Consider this a last warning for this thread. Thank you,

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