Now this guy has worked out the mathematical puzzle of the Last Supper.

"So what does all of this mean? Since Da Vinci is dead and as far as we know never left an explantion, than all we can do is try to interpret what it was he was trying to say. Some people believe the Da Vinci code, and that has to do with a secret bloodline of Jesus Christ or some connection to freemasonry. The people who believe this stuff obviously have not researched any of Da Vinci's notebooks to get a grasp of his personal beliefs and feelings towards religion and the church in general, which were not positive. So to say that the V shape in the painting is representive of a womb or "grail" or bloodline is ,in my opinion, ludacris based on the simple assumption that Da Vinci did not even believe in the Divinity or historical aspect of Jesus. What I find amazing is the fact that America is so fixated on the idea that Jesus is the true son of God, born of a virgin, that to even approach the idea of a "secret" in the painting on the assumption that Jesus never even existed, or to question his divinity would stir up so much controversy in and of itself that it would ultimitly distract from the true point of the inquiry which was the correlation of the painting with the dissection and deciphering, what I believe to be, another small hidden treasure from Da Vinci. "
http://www.davincisecret.itgo.com/

Just out of curiosity, how do you propose da Vinci was actually, physically /painting/ these things? It is one thing to write backwards, quite another to paint so, especially to the alleged level of detail.

As with a lot of great artists, there's a strong sense of fetishizing just what da Vinci could do; he wasn't a super-genius or a super-hero. He couldn't do everything. I have a degree in Art History, and particularly studied the Italian Renaissance. I know of no techniques, no tricks available to da Vinci to create these kinds of images, nor have I seen any visual evidence that strongly suggests they're anything more than happenstance.

And don't waste my time with suggesting mythic devices with no evidence that haven't survived.

--Jaylemurph

The things I have stated before are

1. the painting of the last supper is the replica done by Leonardos Star pupil Marco d'Oggiono



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_D%27_Oggione

I ask my self the question why did he copy it well obviously this ties in well with the facts that

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Why is it falling apart?

Leonardo, always the inventor, tried using new materials for Last Supper. Instead of using tempera on wet plaster (the preferred method of fresco painting, and one which had worked successfully for centuries), he thought he'd give using dry plaster a whirl. His experiment resulted in a more varied palette, which was Leonardo's intent. What he hadn't taken into account (because, who knew?) was that this method wasn't at all durable. The painted plaster began to flake off the wall almost immediately, and people have been attempting to restore it ever since.

http://arthistory.about.com/cs/leonardo/a/last_supper.htm

So if the master had stiffed the establishment on a grand scale (15 x 29 feet) and was upset at his efforts being wasted and realising they would not stand the test of time he would have instructed his pupils to replicate it down to the finest detail The method used is quite well documented in a few books I have at home and a search on google yeilds this

QUOTE

I think overall it means that we seem to have been lied to about alot of things when it comes to accepted esablished religion and Historical facts.

Hi JAYLEMURPH



Ahem



Enough Said

ISA

hahaha touche J..........

Or maybe someone would simply pay him to make a copy of it.

I would also be interested to hear how you think Leonardo would actually paint these things. His mirror writing his barely even related to what's been done to the images that are paraded in this thread -- you'd have to make a copy, mirror that copy and then place it on top of the original at 50% transparency to get a similar result. Adobe Photoshop would still be in the early alpha stages in the late 15th century, so what method would one have had to use? What would Leonardo himself use to check his work and what would he imagine the ones he was trying to communicate with would use?

LOL BELLY LAUGH ALPHA STAGES heheehe cool

I guess they would trace a the architecture or image into the sketch first so say take a cathedral half it place that image under the sketch and place them both on a pane of glass with a candle underneath . Leonardos method for reproducing landscapes so acuratley was to use a pane of glass and stetch onto it using crayon I believe.

Now this is interesting


Why indeed I would theorise so the secret could be painted into a little bit like an invisible SECRET paint by numbers that would work for a technique wouldnt it together with some artistic imagination to conceal it in the surrounding landscape . HMMMM nice one truthist thanks for asking the question that got me looking

http://www.mmdnewswire.com/new-discoveries...ode-1745-3.html

Leonardo Hiding images within images is documented especially with the Madonna of the rocks that was commissioned by the Milanese Confraternity of the Immaculate Conception when they recieved the first one they refused it according to some sources because tehy could see the hidden "PAGANISM" in it by that I guess they mean this one for starters that I found



With refernece to that montage of leonardo works two posts up I made , I can see quite plainly that this man was more than a genius he was obsessed by things that were more advanced than the civilization he lived in at the time Just like the Atlantians take his more than passing obsession with flying machines



ISA

A very Stupid Question....

Where does ATLANTIS come into the picture of all this davinci-painting-mirror-thinga-jinga-thingy???

I pretty much asked the same thing back a bit...........since when does the image of Atlantis by Plato have anything to do with advanced technology like levitation?

I'm not suggesting he wasn't a talented man, but he was by no means able to do everything, nor am I certain what a few pictures proves. He was hardly what we would call a scientist; he was a gifted engineer: his studies were geared towards practical results and never the theory to /explain/ them.

Which is to my point really: for all your fetishizing of da Vinci, you still can't tell me how he created these "images".

--Jaylemurph

I'm not really a proponent of all this image overlay message in stuff but I really think you have to admit da Vinci was more than a gifted engineer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci
Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci (pronunciation (help·info)), April 15, 1452 – May 2, 1519) was an Italian polymath; a scientist, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, painter, sculptor, architect, botanist, musician and writer.

Doesn't leave much else for him to do.......seems to have 'everything' covered.

I'm not going to let your weird worship of da Vinci detract from my question. How did he do these things you allege? For all your cargo-cult like awe of him, you have little enough respect for the things he actually believed and the things he did with his life if you can't be bothered to try to it figure out, and just chalk it up to his god-like ethos.

--Jaylemurph

I alledge nothing. I have no weird worship of him, maybe the OP has, nor am I in awe of him. I simply stated he was more than an engineer. Which he was. But obviously you want to stick to your guns and not admit he was.............whatever then.

You allege he was good at everything:



There are plenty of things he wasn't good at, as far as we know: baking, masonry, ditch-digging, speaking Manchu, erotic pottery making...

I've never suggested he wasn't a deeply talented individual in a number of areas (although, as I said, all his interests were geared towards practical results, making him first and foremost an engineer), nor do I have a reluctance to admit it. What I'm descrying is this attitude that he could do *anything*, especially when you buy into some foolish mystique and don't take the trouble to learn that much about him.

--Jaylemurph

You asked me this: "How did he do these things you allege?" But I alleged nothing of the things he did re: the painting. In fact I was the first one to bring up the fact that these things can't even be seen out 'Mary's' window and that the blue Vishnu is chipped paint, so I don't even know why you asked me how did he do these things I allege because I did not allege them...........sure I allege he was bordering on genius but that wasn't what you asked me.

Anyways..........I know I often 'buy into some foolish mystique' but this time I'm not buying it.

This is all becoming quite vexed, and I'm sure I'm doing nothing to allay it. I must apologise for myself, and clarify my intentions a bit:

I don't think da Vinci was bordering genius, he was one. He just wasn't a super-duper hyper genius that's good at everything. And I know you're not the one making elaborate claims about the artwork; but since you had some knowledge of the subject I thought you (as opposed to ISAEYEALLSEEING, whose grasp on the actual art history discussed here is slippery at best) might know. I certainly think if you do, or even if you have ideas on how he might have, you could discuss it in a far more lucid and ration manner than Isa.

--Jaylemurph

I am at least getting a good chuckle out of this. You ask - how did Da Vinci make a MIRROR image? I wonder if it could have been with a MIRROR?

Well thank goodness someone asked before me! I was beginning to think I'd missed something.
Or maybe I did, What makes anyone think that DaVinci knew where Atlantis was to begin with?

Ask me that after you've tried it, love.

--Jaylemurph

While da Vinci was undoubtedly gifted, throughout his adult life he was surrounded by others who were also very clever, he had many students in his workshops. While not denigrating his acheivements it was the fashion of the day (and still is) for the master to take credit for the works of the student - until the student left the master's tutelage.

He was a polymath, of that there is little doubt, but there is also nothing to state he did all this work on his own (some of course he did, and we have records to show this).

I think I'll leave Leonardo and how clever/smart he was since I have no real true knowledge of him, only what I read in Wiki and the like, but I think Leonardo just added something interesting for us all and I see a comparison of that same instance even as early as Plato, many of his students did work credited to him from what I've read, possibly even Critias.

With the paintings, you know, a few posts earlier I did say I had fiddled with a mirror and put it down the nose line of some main characters, (the Mona Lisa shows a new person) particularly his Madonnas and found many made a picture of a women's part - starts with v, down low, a known part that is associated with fertilty and this people, would be more in line with what Leo saw as divine, from what I've read. I'm not sure of the name of the painting off hand but it's a dark brownish one with a hand coming in from the side and the main woman has very curly hair - you cannot miss the women's part I mentioned on this one.

If anything I think it would not be so hard to paint a mirror image such as this, simple half image, but as for the mirroring that ISA is talking about being almost superimposed that seems all too tricky.

Certainly food for thought, especially as many, many critics think Leo was probably queer.

[But I see perfectly well what you mean; and, as you say, it fits in very well with what we know about some of his less orthodox beliefs...]

--Jaylemurph

This is so out there... wow... just wow... I mean where do people find the time?

Kudos for intelligence though.
your arguement though flawed was intriguing.

There seems to be pretty strong historical evidence that Atlantis indeed existed, but so far no one has been able to pinpoint its current underwater location. But I doubt whether DaVinci had any clue himself as to Atlantis' location, only theories. If he did actually know, why the need for the veiled references? Why wouldn't he have just come out and told where it was?

I believe it was because he was warned not to as he was a grandmaster of the Priory of Sion from 1510-1519 an organization linked to freemasonary and would have sworn oaths not to speak about it , but I guess the oath didnt cover hiding the secrets within the images he created

It seems that leonardo placed 33 degrees in another of his famous works
THE MONA LISA

only reinforcing for me that they are litterally pointing towards the location of ATLANTIS



ISA

Priory of Sion???

That didn't exist until the 1950s, long, long after DaVinci left this world:

http://priory-of-sion.com/psp/id43.html

Wikis version states something different

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priory_of_Sion

Plus there is something alot of people dont know that Amerigo Vespucci was friends with leonardo and had possesion of the "shepards journal" (according to the disney movie laugh if you like) at this time so if we assume as I have previously demonstrated that Walt Disney has Masonic links and I believe that this city is kept secret by a corrupt church and powerful people who wish to control the world (and do) but people throughout history have tried to inform us using their specific talents like Leonardo , Disney , Salvador Dali , Poussin , etc etc it has all become less and less coincidental to me, take the fact that the city of Atlantis I have shown you in this post has laid on its back for all the world to see the giant crucifix and Apex That world religion describes as and uses to show "THE HOUSE OF GOD in the disney cartoon atlantis is it coincidental that they also had giant hovering stones above the city of ATLANTIS



then theres the scarab beetle in aladdin that jafar clipped the two halves of together , it then flew across the desert and lead him to the cave of wonders which appears in the mirroring of Marcos version of the maddona of the rocks



Disney and Dali worked together on an animation Prior to Dali painting his sacrament of the last supper, which he saw fit to place Jesus inside a dodecahedron as shown in the marys window viewpoint of the city of atlantis in the Pharos Lighthouse which as stated earlier contains a fleur d lye which is part of the logo of the Prioy of sion

http://www.blumation.com/kheper33/images/P...f_Sion_Logo.png





ISA

So maybe Walt Disney was really Raelian - ever seen Lilo & Stitch??????? Once I read Intelligent Design, Lilo & Stitch fitted right in there......

The Jafar cave is quite interesting.

So masons have a hidden agenda tell us something we didn't know,
or maybe your just hung up on the wrong cult how about the black Vatican and they're hidden underground library which HAS been proven to exist
and contains Millions and millions of records.

Think about it every time you go to confession,
why can't you talk to your priest face to face?
most likely he records anything interesting your saying
and sends it right back to the Vatican
God knows what the Jesuits are upto.

No, actually it does not. It says almost the exact same thing that someoldman's link says.


This is becoming more and more ridiculous. I'm laughing now.

some people will it depends on how much of the truth you want to see and how out of the box you are prepared to think I have given alot of time to this and I am one hundred percent convinced that we have been lied too for longer than we care to believe , the freemasons do want a new atlantis , from what I have read this is supposed to be America.

Have you read the whole thread Jennie 1 ? if yes how do you explain 4 scarab beetles pointing towards the flag of macedonia which gives us alexandria the line of site from the window puts us directly on the spot of The Pharos Lighthouse site and the freemasons have a replica dedicated to George washington in Alexandria the third floor of which is a shrine to christ and has 3 windows to each of its four walls just like in the Last supper painting ? Why does my mirroring of the images and the things that reveals fit so well with so many other theories about mary and jesus having children together , is it coincidence that the bastet appears on marys head mary magdelene been called the woman with the alabaster jar and bastet meaning female of the ointment jar. which would make sense if you have seen the book title Jesus Last of The Pharos by Ralph Ellis and under stand that the bastet was the protector of RA (Amun-Ra or AMEN!!!!!).

ISA

Something else I think isnt coincidence I found while messing around in my 3D software at work was that if I created a MERKABA , a Stella octangula , a double tetrahedron and rotate it 33 degrees you can see the star of david. which is interesting when you consider the location 0f

33N 33E



ISA

interestingly I found the book of Ezekiel very inspiring and thought provoking , especially when he sees god come down in the MERKABA isnt god supposed to be omni present appearing at will , therefore why is he seen riding around in a physical object and of all things a MERC

Ezekiel 33:33 And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them.

Job 33:33 If not, hearken unto me: hold thy peace, and I shall teach thee wisdom.

ISA

The monument you stated does have 3 windows to each wall, but have a look at the last supper again hmm ? there are 3 ACTUAL windows, and then 4 i suppose we can call them niches to the side. Also if this was occuring in a light house, why is there a mountain range ? if as you say, the line of sight is towards a sunken scarab shaped city ?

Cyprus has some nice mountains straight behind the City of ATLANTIS but I would say that not all the detail belongs to what Leonardo wished us to find, going back to the mona lisa I theorise that he
painted the secret image in translucent oils first so he could then add the parts of it onto the full colour image later using the ridges and grooves created by the brushmarks in the translucent image underneath.

If your honest and actually follow the information I have posted here all the symbolic clues add up to be POINTING towards this cities location the preverbial Eden, Cave of wonders, ATLANTIS.

Take the Phrase "Cave of wonders" what would you think if you walked into a Domed city (provideing a great radiation shield and a great green house like the eden project)



for the first time and saw more gold than you had ever seen and vehicles that flew with no flapping of wings or creatures to pull them it surely would be a truly Wonderous site.

ISA

Oh, I see. Most of these theories are from the Dan Brown DaVinci Code thing.

Some people must still not realize that the DaVinci Code is a work of fiction.
The main principles of the whole thing were easily debunked in a series of investigations by a British reporter (BBC) and presented in a one hour time slot.

BBC dont make me laugh

NO these are all discoveries made by me that only go to support theories and pictorally demonstrate the FACT that leonardo hid this stuff in his work , he was friend to many many people
and knew kings queens and one of his most important connections was the medici family.

If you want to call it the Davinci Code Thing , I see that as your not really up on the story about how he stole his material but a court ruled in his favour because the work he lifted it from
was factual and he wrote fictional.

If you wish to compare this to dan brown go ahead thats fine I do find it interesting that they talked in that film about pushing the image of Mary across so she rested her head on the shoulder of Jesus remembering that the story line revolves around their relationship and the outcome being that their descendant was a main character the go back to my mirror version which clearly shows mary with a now pregnant stomach her hand within reach of the knife and a spaceship outside the window.

Please use your expertese and try and defunk all the points I present here I am sure you can try

ISA

I did add a link that pointed out a women who had claimed to find Mary holding a baby in the Last Supper. So are you saying you didn't find that yourself? Just the Atlantis link or the scarab beetle island or the Disney link?
btw did you see the mention of Lilo and Stitch having Raelian storylines? Seems many Disney movies are ingrained with hidden religious messages.....if we look hard enough and are familiar with them, maybe there is something in that, but there is no way all this is pointing to Atlantis - where is any mention of Atlantis having technology of this kind or a need for such secrecy surrounding it?

All the mirror images are my own originals and the Re-discovery of Atlantis is my mere claim to fame I think the most famous story was last year that of Slavisa Pesci in italy mirroring the last supper and finding the person holding the baby the lost chalice in front of Jesus and a man dressed as a templar knight

You are right about the disney stories I really want to see Destino the film that Disney and Dali worked on together before Dali went on to paint his Sacrament of the last supper

Destino Trailer

I was reading a site yesterday about the little mermaid and the scene where Ariel has a picture of Mary Magdelene in her room . WORTH A READ

The Little Mermaid and the Archetype of the Lost Bride.


ISA

Your grabbing random things out of the air here. Atlantis and Christianity, Masons, Mary Magdalene, Leonardo da Vinci have no ties. If these mirror imagaes are YOUR originals then how could Disney have reproduced the 'Alladin's Cave' Leonardo could never have possibly have copied it from this reference, how do you explain this ?

OKAY I see your point but I found the image that is the striking resemblance of the aladdin image and I am damn sure disney isnt publicising their source

WHAT AN INTELLIGENT CLAIM



Atlantis had a giant stone crucifix (christianities true use of the cross not some idolatry created by the church with some sick story that he was crucified on a cross it was all an illusion) above it
The masons hid the location of Atlantis they use the YOD as one of their most important symbols it is assigned to the constellation of virgo the VIRGIN (MARY)
Leonardo was a member of an organisation linked to freemasonary He hid the fleur de lye in the image I have posted showing Mary Magdelene I think youll find with some careful research that you are WRONG
I prefer to believe what is before my eyes rather than what we are told to believe.



ISA

why,why,why is the ? the first why, is the father for he is first.
the second why is his son for jesus showed us the way.
the third is the holy spirit for he come and walk in the flesh.

that mt that you see is right here ,and here is CAPE BRETON ISLAND,
it is up to you and all to see and keep up the good work in our father's way's,
to be blessed and be invited to that marriage that is made in heaven not on earth.

AMEN RA

ISA

Crucifixion was copied by the Romans as it was by the Greeks, Macedonians and a number of other Civilisations. It was first thought to have been created by the Babylonians and was considered the most shamefull way of death. This is how the 'church' and christianity came to use the imagery of the Cross, because this guy called Jesus was crucified. He is essential to their beleif so this symbol is used as a representation of both him and the suffering.

Freemasonary do not belive in Christianity, instead the main ideal shared by the Masons is the beleif in a 'Superior Being' they are agnostic. Virgo only became attributed to the Virgin Mary through religion, many cultures will and would have had many names for the constellation although this one stuck.
The Fleur de Lis cannot be attributed solely to atlantis either, its usage covers a broad span of both history and culture, would you have it that the world scout association are also hiding atlantis




Also i have done my research and have studied history.

Nice image

This is worth a read

http://www.pinetreeweb.com/bp-freemasonry.htm

as is this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Baden-Powell

I see that it incorporates two five pointed stars just like the freemasons hall in london uses them in their symbology The pentagram star is created using a pentagram and is one of the twelve faces of the dodecahedron

32 of two complete circles around the giant "crystal" Star



one of my points through all this is that I dont believe we can believe any more what we have been taught and what we are told is the gospel truth.

ISA

I still want to know WHY they hid Atlantis and WHEN did Atlantis have all this advanced technology stuff? I don't recall Plato saying anything about levitating or giant stone crucifixes.......

I dont recall either but the stone crucifix alone would explain if the masons knew a secret like this why the roman church might have had them all put to death on friday the 13th


ISA

oh right.....well that answered my question.....not

Have you thought about the idea that this has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Atlantis?

Where do giant floating Cruciforms come into this ? other then the DISNEY CARTOON

OK, after reading all this amazing information, i want to say first that it is chalked full of SACRED GEOMETRY.
Another thing - and probably a breakthrough in understanding - use the GOLDEN RATIO in all your findings and see what turns up!

Its an idea, but Davinci discovered this golden ratio, and probably used it to hide a reality inside all of his paintings! Someone try it out.

Im thinking Davinci may have been a multi-dimensional viewer, and therefore cross-intersected all of his paintings to inevitably merge into one PHYSICAL painting

You really arent reading this thread are you, I have clearly shown that the city of Atlantis that was hidden in the painting of the last supper clearly shows the apex and crucifix hovering above the dodecahedron that are clearly visible on the google earth imagery to this day.





http://www.blumation.com/kheper33/images/0006.jpg

Oh thanks for the Church lead its beautiful

ISA