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user posted image rMatt Haas: If you are in the field of science or in the field of the paranormal you have heard the term Laws of Attraction. What are the Laws of Attraction? Many credible philosophers, psychiatrists, writers and scientists have proven that Laws of Attraction have a great deal to do with how our Universe works. There's a couple of versions of this theory out there. One is called What the Bleep do we Know? The other is entitled the Secret. I couldn't believe it myself until I watched it. I thought it was far out there. But when they were comparing it to physics and human emotion, there is definitely a connection. You can almost connect the dots.

What is the Law of Attraction? It doesn't pertain to just one Law. There are many Laws of Attraction. You have to decide what is best for you. The simplest way I can explain it is that its how the Universe works for an individual. You can control almost anything to make the Universe work for you. But you must follow the rules in order for it to work. I know this sounds crazy but there is proof it works. I'll give a few examples.

Watching the documentary I seen a man who was laying in a hospital bed as the doctors told him he would never walk again, never talk again. He was paralyzed. He was a construction worker who had a very bad fall. At first the doctors did not think he could ever recover from such a severe fall. He was in a coma for 6 months. He had damage to his spine. There was nothing they could do for him. However, as he woke up from his coma he realized his dilemma. He had a wife and kids to care for. He laid in bed and imagined himself over and over that he was going to walk again. One day out of the blue, he was up standing and walking. He nearly came to a 90% recovery a few months later with some physical therapy. Doctors had no explanation for this except calling him “The Miracle Man”.

This story I thought was amazing. There was a Doctor who was extremely down on bad luck. Everything in his life was in turmoil. He didn't think things were ever going to get better for him as each day had a terrible situation. One day he took a stroll by a river to ponder his thoughts how he can turn his life around. He picked up a rock and put it in his pocket. He went back home and before he went to bed he forgotten that he put these rocks in his pocket. He thought to himself perhaps these rocks will start giving him some better luck. So he laid them out on his dresser. Each day he would get up for work he would take some time to stare at the rocks for a few minutes and collect his thoughts.

Well... before he knew it, things started to turn around for him. His luck got better. Actually his life was never better than before. Now he calls these rocks his lucky rocks. A friend in Africa calls him up one day out of the blue who he hasn't spoken to since college. The doctors friend gave him some very sad news that his son who is no older than 10 years old came down with an illness that had no cure. His friend knowing that he was a doctor asked it there was anything he could do would be greatly appreciated. So the doctor told him, I'll tell you I will do. I am going to send you some lucky rocks. His friend laughed and said “Lucky rocks?” He thought he was joking. But the doctor said yes I will mail them as soon as possible. So the doctor went back to his river where he got his lucky rocks. He knew they had to be special rocks for his friend. He found some special looking rocks and sent them to his friend. He later explained what to do with them to his friend. About a few weeks later his son who was sick started to recover from his illness.

He was up running around and the illness was completely gone. The father couldn't believe it. As a matter of fact he wrote a thank you letter to his doctor friend and told him that the village discovered this and asked for more rocks. Of course the doctor sent more. Months later they now have raised over a quarter of a million dollars selling rocks for the illness going around their village for people who were sick.

Amazing isn't it? Basically, the main part of how this all works is if you put your mind to something with a positive and focused attitude anything can happen. That's what the Law of Attraction is. Positive = Positive, and Negative = Negative. If you are negative, you will attract negative things into your life. If your positive, you will attract positive thing into your life. Its easier said than done. You really have to want it in order for it to work. You have to believe in something. Its a lot like how faith works.

I'll show another example by using something that has happened to me. We've all had struggles in our lives correct? A few years back I had lost my job. I had no money. My debit was climbing so high that I couldn't see the day light. There was fighting at home. Relationships were falling apart. All of this was caused because of my sorrow and negativity. It all stemmed from my own behavior and emotion. One bad thing turned into a string of more bad things and so forth. Nobody was hiring at the time. I honestly didn't think I was going to find a job real soon with the rate things were going. Finally one day, there was an ad in the paper for a school bus driver position. I said to myself, and prayed I really need a job and it didn't become I need a job anymore. It became I wanted a job. I wanted to get myself out of this mess. I changed my attitude because I wanted this. I was focused and determined.

I filed for an application and was immediately given an interview. Mind you... I have filed job applications for 3 straight months and nobody called me for an interview. So I was thrilled beyond belief. They explained how everything works. I had to do a little bit more in order to officially be hired by this bus company. I studied my butt off to get a permit to drive a school bus. I trained really hard to learn how to drive a school bus. Before I knew it, they hired me for the job. I believe it was because of my attitude. My positive attitude and how determined I wanted this.

To me that is the Law of Attraction. Its all about control of your emotion, your feelings, your attitude and being focused. It can be extremely difficult thing to do depending on your situation. Everyone has their own set of circumstances. But the Laws of Attraction will never change. If you know how to embrace it and use it, there is a unlimited universe waiting for you.

If you think I am joking, try it yourself and tell me I am wrong. Tell the thousands of scientists who have proven it they are wrong.

What does the Law of Attraction have to do with the Paranormal? I think it has a lot to do with it! If you go into a Paranormal Investigation with a negative attitude or wrong reason, do you think your going to experience anything Paranormal? In my humbled opinion, I don't think you are.

Skeptics are individuals who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions. That is the definition taken from a dictionary on what a skeptic is. Skeptics in the paranormal field are people who have to experience it in order to believe it. They come from a scientific point of view. They prefer facts & quality evidence that cannot be explained for it to become paranormal. I think that is an accurate view on how skeptics investigate the paranormal?

Many skeptics feel offended or insulted by believers who think of the term skeptic as a dirty word or negatively. However, I think that we can all agree that all people in the paranormal field are misusing the terminology. Therefore they mislabel individuals which then causes conflicts and heated debates. If the terminology was re-evaluated and approached properly I believe that it would cut down a lot of the animosity among skeptics and believers. I think the best way and healthy way to be a Paranormal Investigator is to be 50/50 with their approach and methodology.

What I mean by 50/50 is go into an investigation with an open mind yet be real and objective about it. Not all things are paranormal and 9 times out of 10 have a natural cause or logical reason for it. There is a small number of 1% where cases are labeled as being paranormal or haunted.

Now me personally, I like using the term “alternative possibilities”. Your leaving room for a chance for it to be paranormal and at the same time you might find a scientific explanation for it. But keep in mind you do not work or live at these establishments every day. We only get an opportunity to investigate them at an estimated number of 3 or 4 times. You don't visit on a 24:7 basis. Sometimes my team investigate establishments for a whole year before determining the cause of activity. I think its only fair to the client. We know that these things do not happen on demand and only happen in cycles.

If your a skeptic who doesn't believe in the paranormal I think you are wasting your time and the clients time if you don't believe in it. What is your reason for being in the field if you don't believe in it? If its to help people, that's great. But how do you expect to experience anything paranormal if you don't know what to look for or go into an investigation with the mind set of not believing? That's where I think the Laws of Attraction come in. If you don't have the right approach or attitude, you aren't going to experience anything. Although, is this why believers experience more? Are they creating paranormal activity in their minds with the Laws of Attraction? If I'm a ghost, do you think that I am going to show myself to you if your out to prove I don't exist? Absolutely not. I will show myself to someone who cares about communicating with me. Perhaps spirits are only showing themselves to believers because of their approach and attitude. There are pro's and con's as well as differences on how to be objective and keep things real at the same time.

At this point we know what can be proven, and we know what can't be proven. The paranormal field needs a lot of improving with methodology and terminology. There is no expert in our field since nothing can be proven 100%. Before we can prove to the world that the after-life exists if we ever came across the best evidence in the world that couldn't be disproved at all without a shadow of a doubt, I think the field needs to change internally before we expect the outside to take us seriously.

LIGHT Paranormal Research
Founder - Matt Haas (631) 732-8336
http://www.lightparanormal.com
An Urban Legend
That was almost an interesting article; it almost made me crack a smile, a crooked smile. I would have been absolutely attracted to the article if I was a believer in magic or wishful-thinking, too bad I'm not. This article attempts to push the belief that one's mental disposition attracts similar external circumstances and events. Basically, your mental attitude and current emotion such as:happiness, sadness or depression is suppose to attract people, situations, things, and outcomes based upon your held emotions and feelings. santa.gif Sadly enough, I wish that were a reality, but it's not. The "law of attraction" is true in a more common sense than exaggerated in the article. People more frequently socialize with people who share the same beliefs or values as themselves, rather than with people who usually disagree with them and share different values. To simply put it, people feel more comfortable being around other people who share some quality they themselves possess, so naturally they'll try to surround themselves with like minded people. If you want to call that "Law of Attraction" do as you will, but it's something that humans do naturally, it's not anything spiritual or magical which somehow gives you control over the world around you. Much as we'd like to believe we can control things outside our inner circle, the cold hard reality is that more often than not, we can't. sleep.gif

The Law of Attraction provides wishful thinkers with the illusion that they can have anything they want. As if they're mind is a genie in a bottle.  "All I need to do is change my attitude and intentions and I'll attract money like a magnet (or lose weight or whatever else it is I want to achieve). If it doesn't work, it's my fault because I didn't truely change my attitude and intentions." This is the same tactic that the "faith healers" use when they can't heal someone , "Aww Sally, you didn't have enough faith!" With this line of thinking it's impossible test or prove the law of attraction because everytime you don't get what you want, just claim the intentions weren't genuin and try again. Merely holding a good or bad attitude doesn't change the situation or circumstance at all in reality. It changes YOU, but not the situation. At a funeral, crying for the person who is dead doesn't bring them back to life,...but it sure makes you feel better. Having a happy positive attitude at a job interview doesnt ensure that you've gotten the job, it just makes you look better to the employer, rather than if you frowned or looked angry. That's law of attraction in it's essence. Putting on a happy face and thinking towards the sky won't make reality drop your wishes at your front doorstep under 3 day shipping. You dont attract anything! If that's the case everyone would have what they want, because everyone dreams and wishes and are happy while they do it and every time they think about it, but it's nothing more but that....a wish. Now, despite not being able to make a situation definately go your way, what you can do is use your emotions to influence some situations. Sometimes a smile can go along way, othertimes it's worthless. Either way, smile or frown, being positive and rational in thinking will keep you cool, calm, and focused on your goals while making your days less stressful. But if you're depressed, angry, and negatively emotional you'll start to dwell upon your problems and probably continue to make situations around you even worse. I can sit here all day and "wish" and "feel" like I'm already rich, and then continue to wait for the universe to throw the money in my lap, but I'll be waiting until I die; it will never happen. All you need to do is ask any rich man, "waiting and wishing" isnt how they got rich, it occured through doing the opposite, "pursuing and planning".  In closing what I'm saying is, we as humans don't have the ability to totally control our enviroment and the things around us, but we have ability to greatly influence them, which in the end can tip the balance to your loss or gain.
Aanica
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linked-imageMatt Haas: If you are in the field of science or in the field of the paranormal you have heard the term Laws of Attraction. What are the Laws of Attraction? Many credible philosophers, psychiatrists, writers and scientists have proven that Laws of Attraction have a great deal to do with how our Universe works. There's a couple of versions of this theory out there. One is called What the Bleep do we Know? The other is entitled the Secret. I couldn't believe it myself until I watched it. I thought it was far out there. But when they were comparing it to physics and human emotion, there is definitely a connection. You can almost connect the dots.

What is the Law of Attraction? It doesn't pertain to just one Law. There are many Laws of Attraction. You have to decide what is best for you. The simplest way I can explain it is that its how the Universe works for an individual. You can control almost anything to make the Universe work for you. But you must follow the rules in order for it to work. I know this sounds crazy but there is proof it works. I'll give a few examples.

Watching the documentary I seen a man who was laying in a hospital bed as the doctors told him he would never walk again, never talk again. He was paralyzed. He was a construction worker who had a very bad fall. At first the doctors did not think he could ever recover from such a severe fall. He was in a coma for 6 months. He had damage to his spine. There was nothing they could do for him. However, as he woke up from his coma he realized his dilemma. He had a wife and kids to care for. He laid in bed and imagined himself over and over that he was going to walk again. One day out of the blue, he was up standing and walking. He nearly came to a 90% recovery a few months later with some physical therapy. Doctors had no explanation for this except calling him "The Miracle Man".

This story I thought was amazing. There was a Doctor who was extremely down on bad luck. Everything in his life was in turmoil. He didn't think things were ever going to get better for him as each day had a terrible situation. One day he took a stroll by a river to ponder his thoughts how he can turn his life around. He picked up a rock and put it in his pocket. He went back home and before he went to bed he forgotten that he put these rocks in his pocket. He thought to himself perhaps these rocks will start giving him some better luck. So he laid them out on his dresser. Each day he would get up for work he would take some time to stare at the rocks for a few minutes and collect his thoughts.

Well... before he knew it, things started to turn around for him. His luck got better. Actually his life was never better than before. Now he calls these rocks his lucky rocks. A friend in Africa calls him up one day out of the blue who he hasn't spoken to since college. The doctors friend gave him some very sad news that his son who is no older than 10 years old came down with an illness that had no cure. His friend knowing that he was a doctor asked it there was anything he could do would be greatly appreciated. So the doctor told him, I'll tell you I will do. I am going to send you some lucky rocks. His friend laughed and said "Lucky rocks?" He thought he was joking. But the doctor said yes I will mail them as soon as possible. So the doctor went back to his river where he got his lucky rocks. He knew they had to be special rocks for his friend. He found some special looking rocks and sent them to his friend. He later explained what to do with them to his friend. About a few weeks later his son who was sick started to recover from his illness.

He was up running around and the illness was completely gone. The father couldn't believe it. As a matter of fact he wrote a thank you letter to his doctor friend and told him that the village discovered this and asked for more rocks. Of course the doctor sent more. Months later they now have raised over a quarter of a million dollars selling rocks for the illness going around their village for people who were sick.

Amazing isn't it? Basically, the main part of how this all works is if you put your mind to something with a positive and focused attitude anything can happen. That's what the Law of Attraction is. Positive = Positive, and Negative = Negative. If you are negative, you will attract negative things into your life. If your positive, you will attract positive thing into your life. Its easier said than done. You really have to want it in order for it to work. You have to believe in something. Its a lot like how faith works.

I'll show another example by using something that has happened to me. We've all had struggles in our lives correct? A few years back I had lost my job. I had no money. My debit was climbing so high that I couldn't see the day light. There was fighting at home. Relationships were falling apart. All of this was caused because of my sorrow and negativity. It all stemmed from my own behavior and emotion. One bad thing turned into a string of more bad things and so forth. Nobody was hiring at the time. I honestly didn't think I was going to find a job real soon with the rate things were going. Finally one day, there was an ad in the paper for a school bus driver position. I said to myself, and prayed I really need a job and it didn't become I need a job anymore. It became I wanted a job. I wanted to get myself out of this mess. I changed my attitude because I wanted this. I was focused and determined.

I filed for an application and was immediately given an interview. Mind you... I have filed job applications for 3 straight months and nobody called me for an interview. So I was thrilled beyond belief. They explained how everything works. I had to do a little bit more in order to officially be hired by this bus company. I studied my butt off to get a permit to drive a school bus. I trained really hard to learn how to drive a school bus. Before I knew it, they hired me for the job. I believe it was because of my attitude. My positive attitude and how determined I wanted this.

To me that is the Law of Attraction. Its all about control of your emotion, your feelings, your attitude and being focused. It can be extremely difficult thing to do depending on your situation. Everyone has their own set of circumstances. But the Laws of Attraction will never change. If you know how to embrace it and use it, there is a unlimited universe waiting for you.

If you think I am joking, try it yourself and tell me I am wrong. Tell the thousands of scientists who have proven it they are wrong.

What does the Law of Attraction have to do with the Paranormal? I think it has a lot to do with it! If you go into a Paranormal Investigation with a negative attitude or wrong reason, do you think your going to experience anything Paranormal? In my humbled opinion, I don't think you are.

Skeptics are individuals who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions. That is the definition taken from a dictionary on what a skeptic is. Skeptics in the paranormal field are people who have to experience it in order to believe it. They come from a scientific point of view. They prefer facts & quality evidence that cannot be explained for it to become paranormal. I think that is an accurate view on how skeptics investigate the paranormal?

Many skeptics feel offended or insulted by believers who think of the term skeptic as a dirty word or negatively. However, I think that we can all agree that all people in the paranormal field are misusing the terminology. Therefore they mislabel individuals which then causes conflicts and heated debates. If the terminology was re-evaluated and approached properly I believe that it would cut down a lot of the animosity among skeptics and believers. I think the best way and healthy way to be a Paranormal Investigator is to be 50/50 with their approach and methodology.

What I mean by 50/50 is go into an investigation with an open mind yet be real and objective about it. Not all things are paranormal and 9 times out of 10 have a natural cause or logical reason for it. There is a small number of 1% where cases are labeled as being paranormal or haunted.

Now me personally, I like using the term "alternative possibilities". Your leaving room for a chance for it to be paranormal and at the same time you might find a scientific explanation for it. But keep in mind you do not work or live at these establishments every day. We only get an opportunity to investigate them at an estimated number of 3 or 4 times. You don't visit on a 24:7 basis. Sometimes my team investigate establishments for a whole year before determining the cause of activity. I think its only fair to the client. We know that these things do not happen on demand and only happen in cycles.

If your a skeptic who doesn't believe in the paranormal I think you are wasting your time and the clients time if you don't believe in it. What is your reason for being in the field if you don't believe in it? If its to help people, that's great. But how do you expect to experience anything paranormal if you don't know what to look for or go into an investigation with the mind set of not believing? That's where I think the Laws of Attraction come in. If you don't have the right approach or attitude, you aren't going to experience anything. Although, is this why believers experience more? Are they creating paranormal activity in their minds with the Laws of Attraction? If I'm a ghost, do you think that I am going to show myself to you if your out to prove I don't exist? Absolutely not. I will show myself to someone who cares about communicating with me. Perhaps spirits are only showing themselves to believers because of their approach and attitude. There are pro's and con's as well as differences on how to be objective and keep things real at the same time.

At this point we know what can be proven, and we know what can't be proven. The paranormal field needs a lot of improving with methodology and terminology. There is no expert in our field since nothing can be proven 100%. Before we can prove to the world that the after-life exists if we ever came across the best evidence in the world that couldn't be disproved at all without a shadow of a doubt, I think the field needs to change internally before we expect the outside to take us seriously.

LIGHT Paranormal Research
Founder - Matt Haas (631) 732-8336
http://www.lightparanormal.com

You have definitely touched upon a subject that needed to be brought to light.I see this everyday in this forum from extreme skeptics whom I wonder what in the world are even here for, to some who believe every bump must be paranormal. Each I watch, and see slowly emerge through their answers what is the basis for their being here.Some skeptics seem so angry and wish nothing more than to try to extingush anothers belief system that they attack relentlesly each thread that will engauge with them ,when challenged for substance they retreat to their own kind.How could they ever have a true paranomal experiance with such negitive thoughts? as you stated ,They cant. I have been a long time beliver in the law of attraction and have seen how powerful a world of positive thinking and manifestation can be. I am sticking with it and it does take time to learn to control thought process and I cant even imangine life any other way now as far as relating to the paranormal yes most certinly I think your right. Those who are open to expeiance are going to have them and those not, well that goes without saying. Taken with an education and "alternative possabalities" this could be come a refined science a lot quicker and I think it is elvolving to that status slowly but surely. It certinly is in its infant stages but those who survive the initial crude beginings are surly in the end to be brought togeather after all this is a world of attractions....Aanica grin2.gif
An Urban Legend
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How could they ever have a true paranomal experiance with such negitive thoughts?
Counter, if true paranormal experiences were a real phenomenon wouldn't they occur reguardless of a person's belief or disbelief in the paranormal? If the paranormal is possible, these experiences should occur to us at random despite our belief systems, ...if they were real. I mean, how is a supposed "ghost" suppose to know a sceptic from a non-sceptic just by simply observing them walk around and all? What monitor they're daily activities?? Believing that ghost can somehow "read-minds" then make decisions about if they should reveal themselves to you based on if your a believer or not is nothing more but engaging in imaginitive thinking and nothing more, fore the believers in the paranormal have no basis in that claim. Even if I or any other atheist harbored negative thoughts, if the paranormal is truely real it shouldn't matter. The ghost will appear whenever they choose to and why. Belief or disbelief shouldn't stop an encounter is what Im saying.

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I have been a long time beliver in the law of attraction and have seen how powerful a world of positive thinking and manifestation can be. I am sticking with it and it does take time to learn to control thought process and I cant even imangine life any other way now as far as relating to the paranormal yes most certinly I think your right.
Mmmm hmmm,......
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"All I need to do is change my attitude and intentions and I'll attract money like a magnet (or lose weight or whatever else it is I want to achieve). If it doesn't work, it's my fault because I didn't truely change my attitude and intentions."
Just couldn't control my thought process, try again.... santa.gif
MasterPo
There's nothing special or unusual about like minded people being attracted to each other. Someone interested in the paranormal is going to attend paranormal events, join a paranormal group, read paranormal books etc. They aren't going to join a bowling league or hiking club hoping to meet more paranormal minded people.

Same with having a positive "can do" attitude. People do pick up on someone with a positive vs. negative attitude. The phrase "attitude matters" is true.

I'm glad you were able to over come adversity and get your life back on a good track. But I think it's more a result of strength of character and trying to stay positive rather than "law".

As an inspirational article it's pretty good. But there's nothing mystical or paranormal at work here.
Wootloops
These New Age laws bother me. I mean, do the people who believe in them have any idea what the source of them is? At least other religious people think that their beliefs come from a book written by God himself. Where do people get off thinking that because some guy decided to call the fact that like minded people attract each other a universal law and the fact that working hard for something will grant rewards a universal law, it must be a real universal law tantamount to the laws of physics.

New Ageness is harmless enough, but I think it's even dumber than organized religion. My dad got into this New Age trash and whenever he brings up crap like the "Law of Attraction" it really gets under my skin. It's like why don't you go read a book on basic human psychology?
Pluto-x
As stated in my article... Scientists, philosophers, writers, who have credible background and PHD Degree's have proved that The Laws of Attraction indeed exist. That part is not exaggerated. I took foot notes from the books, documentaries and information they give. If you think its a crock, your entitled to your opinion. But the Laws of Attraction was discovered by our ancestors. Humans are made up of energy. Everything that is living is energy. Positive = positive, and negative = negative. There's no lies about it. If something negative occurs in your life, look at the end of the day and reflect back what started it all? You cannot dismiss the laws of physics or human mentality. Did they embellish the truth? Possibly. I didn't create this law. So don't shoot the messenger.

I think those who shoot down the Laws of Attraction are those who have not made any efforts to give it a try. If you ever have a bad day which we all do from time to time. Think about something that makes you happy. It doesn't matter what it is. It could be the most stupidest thing in the world. But I believe whole heartedly if you harness a positive feeling it will turn into a bunch of good things. I have a lot more things that have happened in my life I won't share publicly because its very personal. But when I got a positive feeling and focused on it with all my efforts, within the next few days a bunch of good things happened.

When I started my own Paranormal Research Group I didn't know anything from a whole in the wall how to begin? I entered the field in 1998 and I joined my first group in late 2005. Once I started researching, making the efforts, studying, and working towards my goal it all came out of no where. I started getting members a little at a time. I started getting cases a little at a time. But I was a man who had nothing. No equipment, no where to start, nothing! But when one good thing happened, the rest fell together like dominoes.

I can go on and on!! I really think it also has a lot to do with your beliefs. If you truly believe in something with all of your heart you'll make it happen.

I'm just simply comparing the Laws of Attraction to the Paranormal. Perhaps we need to make Laws in the paranormal field that are alike the Attraction Law? I don't know. I'm not an expert. But... seriously ask yourself one question. If your an investigator who's ONLY goal is to disprove or prove that ghosts don't exist. If they do and we could prove they do... do you think if you were a ghost you'd want to interact with someone who is out to prove a ghost don't exist?

Or... are those in the field who investigate and believe manifesting ghosts with their imagination with the help of the Laws of Attraction?

MasterPo
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As stated in my article... Scientists, philosophers, writers, who have credible background and PHD Degree's have proved that The Laws of Attraction indeed exist. That part is not exaggerated. I took foot notes from the books, documentaries and information they give.


Can you post some links to these research articles?

Or the titles and authors to the books?


Pluto-x
Summary of LOA

The Secret ( Own it and watched it, excellent documentary )

Michael J. Losier ( One I have bought and read )

there's also another documentary called What the bleep do we know?



MasterPo
QUOTE (Pluto-x @ May 31 2008, 07:47 PM) *


This is merely a site that summarizes quotes and passages from other sites. No scientific research here.

Worse, the only real quotation is a from a site about someone/something named "Abraham" that describes itself as quote "Abraham is a name. A symbol. A feeling. Evocative-yet simple-like we want our names to be." Hardly a PhD source.

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The Secret ( Own it and watched it, excellent documentary )


This is a video by someone named Rhonda Byrne in Austrilia. She's not a scientist or PhD researcher. Looks like a well produced self-motivation video.

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Michael J. Losier ( One I have bought and read )


The author is a motivational speaker and an "NLP practitioner". NLP stands for Neuro-Linguistic Programming. It means "NLP is a pragmatic school of thought - an 'epistemology' - that addresses the many levels involved in being human." Here's my source for this: http://www.nlpu.com/whatnlp.htm

Again, probably a great motivational "can-do" inspirational book but hardly science research.

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there's also another documentary called What the bleep do we know?


This is a similar video, not a scientific documentary. Amazon reviews are very mixed.

Anyone can be an author and philosopher.

So again, can you site the sources for all these PhD scientists how have researched this?

And again, I'm not bashing the message of being positive, having a "can-do" attitude, like minded people seeking each other out, etc. All good things. But not a guarantee in life much less a law of the universe.
Pluto-x
Dr. Enigma Valdez > Valdez

The Secret Those who are Scientists, Doctors and Writers who were in the Secret

Here's a good definition by good old wikipedia L.O.A. Wiki



Pluto-x
to name a few scientists who also discovered and used the Laws of Attraction:

Benjamin Franklin
Issac Newton
Thomas Edison

To add*

A list of other scientists
MasterPo
QUOTE (Pluto-x @ May 31 2008, 08:49 PM) *
Dr. Enigma Valdez > Valdez

The Secret Those who are Scientists, Doctors and Writers who were in the Secret

Here's a good definition by good old wikipedia L.O.A. Wiki


Look up "Pseudo Science".
Aanica
QUOTE (Pluto-x @ May 31 2008, 07:04 PM) *
to name a few scientists who also discovered and used the Laws of Attraction:

Benjamin Franklin
Issac Newton
Thomas Edison

To add*

A list of other scientists
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Shankpin
To say it's a law is to say that it's constant, and that Law will ALWAYS have the same result.. This is dealing with psychology, and our minds patterns are not always foreseen (far from predictable)- our minds-emotions/mentality do NOT always produce constant results.. many variables can change the consequences of those things.. depending on our make up- our unique character.. nothing with the human mind can be written in stone. While, I'm not saying the mind isn't a powerful force, it very much IS, it's simply a force that can't always be predicted.
Pluto-x
You must forgive my grammar. I'm new at writing this year. I am getting the knack of it. I'm no English Major! But I do enjoy sharing my thoughts, my experiences, and my opinions. I'm here to learn as well as educate to the best of my abilities. All I can offer is my best. Nobody is perfect, and nobody is an expert in this field. By publishing my articles I hope that someday everyone can see I am just simply trying to improve myself, but also to contribute to the field with these ideas. I'm not here to gloat or show off my knowledge. A lot of users on here misjudge me. Very few understand where I come from. I feel I am connected to those who do understand me. UM is a great way to express myself in public with those who may feel the same way or have the same common interests.

All I ask is to read my articles with an open mind. grin2.gif
Aanica
QUOTE (Pluto-x @ Jun 1 2008, 05:43 PM) *
You must forgive my grammar. I'm new at writing this year. I am getting the knack of it. I'm no English Major! But I do enjoy sharing my thoughts, my experiences, and my opinions. I'm here to learn as well as educate to the best of my abilities. All I can offer is my best. Nobody is perfect, and nobody is an expert in this field. By publishing my articles I hope that someday everyone can see I am just simply trying to improve myself, but also to contribute to the field with these ideas. I'm not here to gloat or show off my knowledge. A lot of users on here misjudge me. Very few understand where I come from. I feel I am connected to those who do understand me. UM is a great way to express myself in public with those who may feel the same way or have the same common interests.

All I ask is to read my articles with an open mind. grin2.gif
Well as far as the Law of Attraction goes" they" can call it what they will ,you and I know... hundreds of people ,influential and historical knew it for what it means and I am sure it applys to the paranormal world ,after all why would it change when it is universel I am thankfull(grateful) everyday for the path it has lead me to there are too many things to list I have already recieved...Aanica cool.gif
An Urban Legend
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Look up "Pseudo Science".

Omg, please do. Yessir.....

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Pluto-x:
But the Laws of Attraction was discovered by our ancestors. Humans are made up of energy. Everything that is living is energy. Positive = positive, and negative = negative. There's no lies about it. If something negative occurs in your life, look at the end of the day and reflect back what started it all? You cannot dismiss the laws of physics or human mentality. Did they embellish the truth? Possibly. I didn't create this law. So don't shoot the messenger.
Yea, uh huh. And based upon everything you've used in an attempt to prove that the "Law Of Attraction" exist, it's all been proven to be pure human psychology;  nothing magical or "universal" about it. Read up on: Behavioral Psychology/Social Psychology.

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People more frequently socialize with people who share the same beliefs or values as themselves, rather than with people who usually disagree with them and share different values. To simply put it, people feel more comfortable being around other people who share some quality they themselves possess, so naturally they'll try to surround themselves with like minded people. If you want to call that "Law of Attraction" do as you will, but it's something that humans do naturally, it's not anything spiritual or magical which somehow gives you control over the world around you.
 

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I think those who shoot down the Laws of Attraction are those who have not made any efforts to give it a try.

How would you know!? I've given this new age form of the mental crutch a try, and based upon what happen(nothing).....it doesnt work! I've done what you, The Secret, and others who are "experts" at the LOA have stated to do to "get what you want", and it just doesnt work. If this "Law" is real, then it's just like every other law in nature:consistant. Meaning, if you pick up a glass, drop it, then it breaks on a hard surface such as the ground, then everytime I drop that glass on the hard ground it will break, reguardsless if I wish it would maintain structure. The LOA should be exactly the same, .....if it's a law. Think happy thoughts, feel happy, invision yourself already having exactly what you want and how great it feels, do this every day, feel good, and eventually(??????) you'll get exactly what you want. Wrong. Not proven. If I invision winning over 500,000 dollars in the lottery, feeling how great it would feel to have that much money, feel happy as if I already have the money(everyday) according to LOA and "The Secret" I should win the lottery and get exactly what I want or something which almost equally amounts to what I want. Sorry dude, been there done that, it doesnt work. And that was just 1 instance. You try living the "law of attraction" for 12 months without ever getting what you want,....I think you'll say it doesnt work, or wait.....in your case "If it doesn't work, it's my fault because I didn't truely change my attitude and intentions. I'll keep trying." If that's the mindset the believers in the LOA have then it's impossible to disprove.
Pluto-x
QUOTE (An Urban Legend @ Jun 1 2008, 08:53 PM) *
Omg, please do. Yessir.....

Yea, uh huh. And based upon everything you've used in an attempt to prove that the "Law Of Attraction" exist, it's all been proven to be pure human psychology; nothing magical or "universal" about it. Read up on: Behavioral Psychology/Social Psychology.




How would you know!? I've given this new age form of the mental crutch a try, and based upon what happen(nothing).....it doesnt work! I've done what you, The Secret, and others who are "experts" at the LOA have stated to do to "get what you want", and it just doesnt work. If this "Law" is real, then it's just like every other law in nature:consistant. Meaning, if you pick up a glass, drop it, then it breaks on a hard surface such as the ground, then everytime I drop that glass on the hard ground it will break, reguardsless if I wish it would maintain structure. The LOA should be exactly the same, .....if it's a law. Think happy thoughts, feel happy, invision yourself already having exactly what you want and how great it feels, do this every day, feel good, and eventually(??????) you'll get exactly what you want. Wrong. Not proven. If I invision winning over 500,000 dollars in the lottery, feeling how great it would feel to have that much money, feel happy as if I already have the money(everyday) according to LOA and "The Secret" I should win the lottery and get exactly what I want or something which almost equally amounts to what I want. Sorry dude, been there done that, it doesnt work. And that was just 1 instance. You try living the "law of attraction" for 12 months without ever getting what you want,....I think you'll say it doesnt work, or wait.....in your case "If it doesn't work, it's my fault because I didn't truely change my attitude and intentions. I'll keep trying." If that's the mindset the believers in the LOA have then it's impossible to disprove.


It doesn't exactly work like that. I never said anything about it being magical. The ones who promote it on the Documentaries and Books say that. You have to follow all the steps in order for it to work. Watch the Secret. Its very inspirational. It motivated me. Depending on the circumstances going on in your life, its not going to happen over night. So yeah, its not magical. Its not like rubbing on a magic lamp and a genie comes popping out to grant you your wish. If your going be negative about the idea, its certainly not going to work for you because then you are going to attract negative things in return. I don't believe in the whole opposites attract bit. I believe in what you give is what you get. If you yell or talk down at someone what does it normally do? Start an argument or push someone's buttons. Then watch the chain of negative events that follow. Just give it time, and really focus. Its easier said then done. I don't have everything in the world. I'm not rich. But I am very happy. I have a new job. I have a wonderful girlfriend. Things are looking great for my paranormal group. I couldn't ask for anything more.
Wootloops
QUOTE (Pluto-x @ Jun 2 2008, 01:12 PM) *
It doesn't exactly work like that. I never said anything about it being magical. The ones who promote it on the Documentaries and Books say that. You have to follow all the steps in order for it to work. Watch the Secret. Its very inspirational. It motivated me. Depending on the circumstances going on in your life, its not going to happen over night. So yeah, its not magical. Its not like rubbing on a magic lamp and a genie comes popping out to grant you your wish. If your going be negative about the idea, its certainly not going to work for you because then you are going to attract negative things in return. I don't believe in the whole opposites attract bit. I believe in what you give is what you get. If you yell or talk down at someone what does it normally do? Start an argument or push someone's buttons. Then watch the chain of negative events that follow. Just give it time, and really focus. Its easier said then done. I don't have everything in the world. I'm not rich. But I am very happy. I have a new job. I have a wonderful girlfriend. Things are looking great for my paranormal group. I couldn't ask for anything more.


So.......it's psychology.
An Urban Legend
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It doesn't exactly work like that. I never said anything about it being magical. The ones who promote it on the Documentaries and Books say that. You have to follow all the steps in order for it to work. Watch the Secret. Its very inspirational. It motivated me. Depending on the circumstances going on in your life, its not going to happen over night. So yeah, its not magical. Its not like rubbing on a magic lamp and a genie comes popping out to grant you your wish. If your going be negative about the idea, its certainly not going to work for you because then you are going to attract negative things in return. I don't believe in the whole opposites attract bit. I believe in what you give is what you get. If you yell or talk down at someone what does it normally do? Start an argument or push someone's buttons. Then watch the chain of negative events that follow. Just give it time, and really focus. Its easier said then done. I don't have everything in the world. I'm not rich. But I am very happy. I have a new job. I have a wonderful girlfriend. Things are looking great for my paranormal group. I couldn't ask for anything more.

It doesn't work like that? The people on documentaries and books are the only ones who promote this "magical" thinking? Well, a few post ago you just told us to refer to "The Secret", and to watch it. So I stand corrected, The Secret is exactly the documentary which promotes this "magical thinking" idea. I agree, I do love watching The Secret, it's VERY motivational, especially Bob Practor, my favorite speaker, I might not believe the concept he promotes, but I ignore that he's wrong because he's a damn good liar and he makes me feel good by listening to him! But nothing promoted within that documentary is true. The documentary is highly motivational, and that's about all it's good for; motivation. Anything beyond that is just to practice the Law Of Attraction....A.K.A.-wishful thinking. I've already knew the results won't happen overnight, as The Secret says "the universe works on it's on accord, the results can come very quickly or it may take some time, but be sure....it's coming, keep thinking positive". Yeah, exactly......that sounds exactly like the same jedi mind tricks Christians use when God doesn't answer they're prayers; "God will grant your prayers when he is ready, but just keep praying. God works in mysterious ways; he will work things out on his own time".  As time passes your soon forget the damn prayer, and that it was never granted, and then start counting the new prayers which were granted. (Counting the hits and not the misses)

And note, when I did attempt to try the LOA of course I believed it would work and I thought positive, so don't say "it wont work if your thinking is negative". You say that but all the while you ignore that other possibility, some people actually tried to apply the techniques genuinely.... and that maybe....just maybe.....even after trying it correctly....it just doesnt work! hmm.gif  See, thats the thing, I already see your mindset, "if it doesnt work, you must not be doing it right. It's not working because your thinking negative; your thoughts and intentions weren't genuine" To close this, you won't always get what you want, no matter how positive your thinking is. Thinking positive can make you feel better on a daily level and it can increase the chances of something good happening in your interactions with other humans, but thinking positive doesn't bend the universe to your will. Sure, your life can be great, you can have nice things in it, but those are things YOU brought into your life through your own efforts, they didn't come from wishing upon a star with high hopes your wish will come true. Do I see a pattern here??

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"Reporter: Well Bill, you just nailed the winning kick to win the super-bowl, what are comments? Who would you like to thank?
Bill:Well firstly I'd like to thank GOD because without God I wouldnt have been able to do it.
Reporter: Well what about your hard training which made it possible?
Bill: Man, I could'nt have done it without God. Nothing I have in my life would be here if I didnt recieve it from God!
Reporter: So Pluto-x how did you recieve so many good things in your life?
Pluto-x: Well,...firstly I'd like to say it wouldn't have been positive if I weren't using "The Law Of Attraction".


I rest my case......

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So.......it's psychology.

Wootloops......YES, it is. Purely...... rolleyes.gif
Pluto-x
I never disagreed or said it wasn't psychology. It has a lot to do with training your mind and thinking.

An Urban Legend
QUOTE (Pluto-x @ Jun 3 2008, 07:28 AM) *
I never disagreed or said it wasn't psychology. It has a lot to do with training your mind and thinking.
I totally agree 100%. I just dont think thinking positive will bring whatever you want into your life....that's all.
MasterPo
QUOTE (Pluto-x @ Jun 3 2008, 08:28 AM) *
I never disagreed or said it wasn't psychology. It has a lot to do with training your mind and thinking.


A "law" is something that happens regardless of your think. If I step off the roof of my house I'll get hurt even if I truly believe I can fly. The law of gravity still applies whether I believe in it or not.

How can one discern between something that happens due to hard work and a positive attitude vs. your law of attraction?

ps- How come you disabled your private messenger?
An Urban Legend
QUOTE (MasterPo @ Jun 3 2008, 10:26 PM) *
How can one discern between something that happens due to hard work and a positive attitude vs. your law of attraction?
wink2.gif  Damn, you really hit the nail on the head with full force. Very good question. If one is to understand the concept it seems as if it would be impossible to distinguish between something that happens due to your own efforts and your efforts applied with the Law Of Attraction(positive thinking and visualizing). The thing is, if by chance you do get exactly what you want, fine, but when you don't get what you want the believer can just claim your actions applied with the concept weren't genuine so try again; never admitting a failed attempt because the LOA works everytime if done correctly. See the thinking pattern? It's just too slippery of a concept to have any meaningful content if obvious contradictions to it are said to support it.
Pluto-x
It doesn't apply or work for everyone. It worked for me... and then you have to ask yourself one question here. How come it isn't working for you?

I don't have the answers guys. I'm just sharing that it has worked for me. If it doesn't work for you, I don't know what to tell you. I'm not arguing with anyone over it just sharing my life experiences and hope that it gives hope to those who need faith or something to believe in.

P.S.

MP: I've turned off my IM System on UM only to specific users. I do not wish to communicate with those who I do not see eye to eye with or do not get along with. I'm only here to write, help and learn. Nothing more, nothing less.



LIGhostChick
QUOTE (Pluto-x @ Jun 4 2008, 09:43 AM) *
It doesn't apply or work for everyone. It worked for me... and then you have to ask yourself one question here. How come it isn't working for you?


You seem to always get defensive when people dont agree or see eye to eye with you. That question seemed a little confrontational. You have to expect to get all the different views & opinion of others. Not everyone thinks alike. Btw, how do you know that it hasn't worked for masterpo & why would you ask that? hmm.gif

The article was an interesting read. My friend tried to get me to read the book but it seems a little too "magical" for me. I'm more the have faith in yourself & be a strong willed person. It works for me. IMO I dont believe that if you need to get out of debt you envision yourself coming into some money & then it magically happens. Or if you need to lose weight you picture yourself thin & bam it happens. If you're in debt STOP SPENDING... if you need to lose weight STOP EATING JUNK! That's how I see it but it's just my opinion. It has nothing to do with the universe, it has to do with yourself. Some people just need to believe in something so badly that they fall for gimicks. Just be happy with yourself, be a good person & live your life without hate in your heart.
Oen Anderson
We all like to think of Doctors as some of the most intelligent people among us, yet the most common answer they have for problems is "I don't know".
Just because a Dr. fooled himself into thinking rocks made his life better shows me he had rocks in his head. On this web site a month ago was a column by Tilley called Alchemy Vs The Secret. You should read it. I agree with Master Po, it is pseudo science.
Pluto-x
Thelma what's with the avatar? LOL... huh.gif

My whole article wasn't to put out a scam or support something "Magical".

My whole point is, I honestly think the Laws of Attraction, Science, and Psychology all tie into the Paranormal. I'm not guaranteeing that the Laws of Attraction will work on everyone. I know it has worked for me. Everyone is different and has a different set of circumstances going on in their lives.

Great scientists discovered the pieces of the Laws of Attraction and used it.
Issac Newton
Thomas Edison
Albert Einstein
Benjamin Franklin

I'm just reflecting what has happened to me to the Laws of Attraction and things with the Paranormal.

MasterPo
QUOTE (Pluto-x @ Jun 4 2008, 09:43 AM) *
MP: I've turned off my IM System on UM only to specific users. I do not wish to communicate with those who I do not see eye to eye with or do not get along with. I'm only here to write, help and learn. Nothing more, nothing less.


Good idea. thumbsup.gif Why bother talking with people who don't agree with you.


Wootloops
If I were to sit on my couch today and not move for an entire year, the whole time doing absolutely nothing except stare out my window thinking positive and visualizing a UPS truck delivering a high powered computer to my doorstep; should then, given that the Law of Attraction be real, this computer be delivered within that year?

If I have to work towards getting this computer then I think it disproves the Law of Attraction.
An Urban Legend
QUOTE (Wootloops @ Jun 7 2008, 06:33 AM) *
If I were to sit on my couch today and not move for an entire year, the whole time doing absolutely nothing except stare out my window thinking positive and visualizing a UPS truck delivering a high powered computer to my doorstep; should then, given that the Law of Attraction be real, this computer be delivered within that year?

If I have to work towards getting this computer then I think it disproves the Law of Attraction.

lol. Whoop, there it is...... laugh.gif
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