not sure if people posted these a while back. i was just watching it. Really interesting in my opinion. some nice cases and testimonies people give.
skeptics and believers, whadda you make of these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5uZ15qKpt0...feature=related

thats vid 1 out of.......? i dunno

oh, and vid number 3 i always found interesting. with the ufo flying around the warhead. that was caught on film during the launch.

Thanks!!

Some of those cases were already well-documented long before the Disclosure Project went on the airwaves. We are now on the road to full disclosure and even the State of Kuwait has been reporting UFOs that are of intelligently controlled vehicles.

As the years roll on, the more that is expected to be revealed about what we know about UFOs.

I've watched hours of Disclosure testimony. Hard to think of a reason why 400 former officials, executives, officers, pilots, grunts, etc. would conspire to lie their butts off in public and state their willingness to do the same under oath before Congress.

Can ANYONE suggest a plausible explanation?

They're... *not*... lying?

That's my guess.

Great nic and great hair BTW.

Some of those cases as presented by the Disclosure Project were well-known beforehand and in the case of the Minuteman missiles incidents, my base, Hill AFB, Utah, was involved in the investigation of those incidents because Hill AFB provided logistics support and management for Minuteman missiles.

I often watched as a special trailer lowered the Minuteman missiles into a special holding silo next to my building. I arrived at Hill AFB in 1968, a year after the 1967 Malmstrom AFB Missile incident and a few months after my own UFO sighting in Vietnam.

A few months after arriving at Hill AFB, I was sent to Nakhom Phanom, Thailand on tempoary duty (TDY) for a few weeks and then went on to Pleiku, Vietnam for 3 weeks in 1969. Several months after I left Pleiku to return to Hill AFB, another UFO passed over Pleiku. and was later noted by General George Brown.


About the Malmstrom AFB Minuteman missile incidents




So here is where all of these UFO incidents were happening all around me and the public was unware of what was taking place as they slept. Then, came along my compatirots from RAF Bentwaters, UK, where they passed on their stories about the Rendlesham UFO incidents to me personally.

Nuclear power and weapons are a common denominator in most UFO events. Am amazed at how little this correlation is made. Sometimes have to dig a lttle, but if you dig far enough it's almost always there. Pheonix Lights - look where appeared from and where nuke power plant is. Stephenville, TX - look where nuke power plant is. Roswell - look where nuke SAC base was. Part 3 UFO Disclosure - nuke missile (no w/h). Malstrom above: ICBM nuke base. Rendlesham - purported tactical nuke base. Could go on and on. Either UFO's don't exist and massive human conspiracy to draw attention to dangers of nukes or UFO's do exist and ET's want to draw attention to dangers of nukes. Since I doubt that these military folks are really that concerned about nuke power or weapons enough to conspire...leaves only one other explanation. Humans....be careful with these darned nukes! Quantities generally measured in half lifes stay around a long time!

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When you have so many official people coming forward, even if some are fabricating a elaborate hoax, some Must be real.


PS Cool Hair!

I addition, there were even more pilots, military and government officials, who came forward in November 2007. Also, a group of countries around the globe are now confirming that the UFOs in question, are not the result of natural phenomena, but of intellligently controlled flying vehicles.

On the road to full disclosure.


Pilots to Government: UFO Investigations a Matter of National Security

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXz4rr8rOJQ

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/11...s-to-gover.html





UFOs are no joke, group says
Nov 12, 2007


The panel included a former Iranian fighter pilot, Parviz Jafari, who said in 1976 he tried in vain to fire from his jet at an "object which was flashing with intense red, green, orange and blue light" over Tehran.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g9SlBp...ml6ZR1ROk1DoR1A

I found this letter interesting:

Thanks!!

Sooner or later, everyone will know, what the government knows, about UFOs.


Top Secret Memo

A top secret 1950 Canadian government memo from the Department of Transport by Wilbert Smith has a key excerpt:

"I made discreet inquiries through the Canadian embassy staff in Washington who were able to obtain for me the following information:

A. The [UFO] matter is the most highly classified subject in the United States government, rating higher than even the H-bomb.

B. Flying saucers exist.

C. Their modus operandi is unknown but concentrated effort is being made by a small group headed by Dr. Vannevar Bush.

D. The entire matter is considered by the United States authorities to be of tremendous significance."

My basic take on The Disclosure Project (IMO probably the best one i've seen), they can't all be bullsh*tting. More importantly, look @ the credentials of most of those interviewed...why risk it all (reputations, public shaming, etc) for the sake of talking crap? Obviously the hardcore material evidence is missing but then even if they had it, would it be believed anyway...don't think so?


So bottom line for me without a shadow of doubt in my mind, I still have no frigg'n idea.

Those folks at the Disclosure Project are telling us something.

skyeagle409 THANKS! for postings those.

If you have any other videos like those please share!

There should be some way to do a search engine that uncovers links such as these for cases such as they ones you have been interested in.

http://members.aol.com/tprinty2/bigsur.html

Great compilation and sampler. It's my gut feeling they all haven't banded together to pull off the hoax of the century - I think they would simply like the truth to be known.

They in turn would benefit - currently many of them are just as much in the dark as we are relative to the ''big picture" - i.e. - what's really going on.

Hey all. I don't usually post in this section due to most of what I know about UFO's and other unexplained mysteries I've only read about in books. But I came across this thread, watched part 1 and 2 of the video link and it sparked a memory I have of a film I watched on PBS once back in the late 70's.

At that time Carter was president. Carter along with the senate and congress had recently passed the freedom of information act. So what I'm about to tell you about happened over 30 years ago and I have to rely on my memory. I think if I write it down somewhere and talk about it there's a chance I'll remember more of the details about what this film said and talked about. So here goes....

I was surfing the channels on the tv one evening/afternoon, when I came across a film being aired on PBS (Public Broadcast Station) about UFO's so I started watching the program.

What got me interested in the program was it was showing what looked like an 8mm filming of a disk shaped object following a single engine private airplane as it was landing at an airstrip (in the middle of the day). The narrator said the film was taken by a 12 year old boy who had taken his new camera to a nearby airport to try it out and happened to capture the disk on film. (I'm telling you now guys, if you would have seen what this boy caught on tape you'd crap because it was the real deal, and the footage was several minutes long) The plane landed but the boy continued filming the disk. On it's underside it had three small domes. As the disk wobbled in the sky the narrator stated that the wobbling action of the disk was indicative of a craft from another dimension. It also went on to explain that there are 10 known dimensions of reality.

By now I was thinking to myself, what in the heck is this?

It said that we have already been visited by alien beings from what we call the Wolfe star approximately 9 light years away. There were 11 of them and they used a nearby blackhole to get here and it took them 7 earth months time to complete the journey. They contacted people on earth using telepathy to be their hosts and landed in a mountainous region on the border of France and Spain. I don't know about any nearby black hole to the Wolfe star or how far away it is, or if the border of France and Spain has mountains. Maybe I should look into it.

The only other thing I remember (with any clarity at the moment) is it said that, not all but some, of the cattle mutilations were the result of an unseen aerial preditor that was discovered, photographed and studied, using an argon camera.

I Googled argon camera. Wiki had no practical application for argon being used in camera's listed. But there was a link that led to a declassified document that dealt with classified satalites from the 60's, but no mention of an argon camera on the page, but there was mention of it in the search results. I'm asking myself all these years later what the heck is an argon camera...? HA!

I have never seen this film aired since that day. The matter of fact way it was presented and the never before seen extemely realistic and high quality footage of the UFO's shown led to believe it may have been a government/military training or debriefing film.

Anyways, gotta go for now and thanks for putting up with me. Like I said, if I discuss it I stand a better chance of remembering more.

Why would you link a well-known debunker such as Tim Printy who has been proven to be loose with the facts?

He, and I, had a battle at "Bad Astronomy" and when the smoke cleared, he was forced to make a correction on his own website. He was wrong and I made sure he knew it after I posted some historical facts that proved him wrong, which again, resulted in his correction!

And, he is wrong on other issues as well and I have been meaning to bring those issues to his attention, including the Rendlesham UFO incidents which involved my compatriots, but I am very sure he is still a bit sore from our last meeting.

I sure will!


The Belgian UFO Incidents

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoBL_Wpx7Fo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsQ6W9eduV8...feature=related

Haven't checked updates, so just curious; Is Greer planing to bring out other Disclosure tapes? After all he claimed there were over 200+ witnesses and only a handful on the original Disclosure tapes.

Well, we'll never catch code-named 'Sky Eagle' (whoever he really is) EVER admitting factual error anywhere, that proves he's more reliable than Printy.

Note that Sky Eagle has nothing to say about the contents or author of the linked piece, he just claims that since it's posted at a site he doesn't like, it must be unbelievable.

Faith trumps facts again in celestial birdbrains...

The link deals with the missile-attacking UFO story and a prosaic explanation offered by the chief scientist of the project.

To sum it up: Tim Printy is very sloppy and was the reason why he was sent off to the burn center of reality after our confrontation at Bad Astronomy.

The fact that he was unaware the C-54 was flying components of the first atomic bombs out of Kirtland AFB, proved to me that he was very sloppy since he'd claimed that the C-54 was unable to fly out of Kirtland AFB while also being unaware that the larger and heavier B-29 had used the runway at Kritland AFB as well.

I got on his case about that because he has been posting flawed and inaccurate junk on his website in attempts to debunk UFOs, but then again, he is simply just another wanna-be UFO debunker anyway.

Ask Tim what he thinks was was responsible for the Roswell, Belgian, and Rendlesham incidents and you will have your proof on just how sloppy Tim Printy really is, and you referenced him as a means of support????



Come on, Jim, I have dealt with debunkers long enough to know when debunkers play around with words, so don't distract from the fact that Tim Printy made claims that were proven incorrect, and done so beyond any doubt.

America West B-757 and F-117 Stealth Fighter UFO Encounter.

http://www.realufos.net/2007/09/norad-conf...fo-in-1995.html

UFOs Are Real: Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlT_Wg0onG0...feature=related

Thanks for posting Skyeagle. I see Oberg is still snooping. What a gas lol.

Jiom Oberg is the new Phil Klass.........<groan>.

He's never met a UFO case he didn't want to debunk.

Oberg actually does a service to UFO research in debunking. Got to give the guy credit for trying. If it can be proved false, he can do it...but not everything has a "prosaic" explanation. I'm not interested in hoaxes or false sightings, only the real ones...and there are enough of them to be very convincing...at least to this engineer.

I remember seeing this segment of Unsolved Mysteries on broadcast TV in the 1990s. I wasn't too interested in UFOs and thought the whole thing was a big joke. I admit I had a somewhat arrogant intellectual attitude and was ready to heckle this thing and point out all the holes in it so that I could file it alongside the Elvis sightings.

The experience played out somewhat different than I expected. With the observations and data gathered by the gendarmerie and the Belgian Air Force, along with the corroborative testimony of so many ordinary people on the ground, it was impossible to laugh off. So did I change my mind or admit to myself that I'd been mistaken? No! I just sort of mentally shelved it to revisit later. But it was like that gendarmes said: it wasn't funny anymore.

The cognitive dissonance was the oddest feeling, and the decision to set the information aside rather than assimilate it was pretty much a conscious one. I just didn't know how to deal with this information, and so I just ignored it. It did not stop me from reflexively scoffing at other cases.

Since then I've managed to come to grips with this incident as well as many others. I tell about my response to it because it may provide some insight into the thought process that occurs when a scoffer is confronted with information that fails to conform to his preconceived notions. I think we see a lot of this in response to things like the Disclosure Project. It can just overload one's ability or willingness to cope with it, at which point one has the option to just ignore it and continue somewhat as before.

Yes, agreed- I think 90- 95% of them all are either natural phenomena, misinterpretations, or downright hoaxes. It's that other 5% I find intriguing.

I just have have a problem with those in this world that are intent on debunking the full 100% of all incidents.

People throw that number around, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

Heck, I wouldn't even call it a "UFO case" if somebody told me he saw something extremely ambiguous, like a fast-moving point of light in the sky. Something that indeterminate could be anything, and it's just not interesting, even if the witness happens to think it's from the planet Narxus.



Very. As when multiple pilots are reporting the same 400-foot oblong craft to ground control, and the NORAD rep is swearing about it over the telephone. That's not swamp gas.



Probably because they go about it by defaming anyone who says he saw anything truly puzzling, as well as anyone who seriously entertains any such report. And it does not appear to matter to some debunkers whether or not the defamatory remarks they make are true. It's a depraved hobby and an even nastier way to make a living.

It is a very interesting case and the Belgian incidents continued for months afterwards and spread to other nations as well. Because the object was triangular-shaped, skeptics believed that it was a stealth aircraft, but triangular UFOs were also reported during the 1800's.

That is interesting, because debunkers have said that the Belgian flap must have been a local outbreak of UFO hysteria, given that no such things were seen in neighboring countries.

The thing that has always cast doubt on the "experimental aircraft" hypothesis in my mind is what you always point out, namely: this is not how any country we know of behaves with its classified assets.

For the US government (for example) to be behind the Belgian flap, I think it would have to be a segment of it that is compartmented from the ordinary defense and security apparatus. It would have to have its own specific interests and be unaccountable to the conventional command structure.

The debunkers should have done further checking.



I can't imagine a commander allowing a secret aircraft under his command to violate the airspace of a friendly Ally for no reason other than to hover the secret aircraft for all to see, photograph, and video tape. If the secret aircraft suddenly malfunctions and crash in the middle of a city of the country whose airspace was violated by that secret aircraft, then there is going to be a problem at promotion time for that commander.

As a result, that secret aircraft will now be known as a former secret aircraft and the U.S. government is going to receive a large bill much higher than the cost of fuel that was used by two jet fighters of a former friendly allied nation that were scrambled to intercept that former secret aircraft, which was in it's airspace illegally in the first place.



And, that would be a problem to say the least, especially if they sent a classified aircraft into friendly airspace without authorization and in violation of friendly airspace, and an additional problem would come should that classified aircraft malfunction and crash, as was the case with this B-2 bomber.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html...,332038,00.html

AM Great post!
That was an interesting watch.
Cheers matey

Looks like the Disclosure Project is still going strong- their website is up and running with new material as recently as May 10, 2008:

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

My sense is the majority of these guys are telling the truth. Of course they didn't retire from their military careers with photos, documentation, physical evidence, etc- all that stuff is tightly controlled of course. A few guys like Clifford Stone apparently provided some embellishment to their tales, but I think the majority were telling it as they remembered it.

Yes indeed, and don't be surprised if others come forward in the coming years to reveal what they know about UFOs.