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'Hell' is an invention ?
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John Shelby Spong, retired Episcopal bishop from Newark, N.J., talks about why Christianity must change its view of hell.
Cradle of Fish
Wow, he's the smartest clergyman I've ever heard. It's a fresh change from all these rapture obsessed preachers.

I just wiki'ed him. He rejects traditional theism, he called the virgin birth impossible and says the miracles in the new testament should be rethought. The way he describes Christ is more like a buddha than the messiah. He sounds like a cultural christian and a deist rather than an actual christian.
ShyByNature
That be the most truth i've ever heard a man of cloth speak...
When man has reconciled with himself, only then will nature begin to speak to him in words of universal wisdom, bearing testimony to the eternal truth of man.
linked-imageHolySh!tz, there goes the nieghborhood....
An Urban Legend
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Wow, he's the smartest clergyman I've ever heard. It's a fresh change from all these rapture obsessed preachers.

I just wiki'ed him. He rejects traditional theism, he called the virgin birth impossible and says the miracles in the new testament should be rethought. The way he describes Christ is more like a buddha than the messiah. He sounds like a cultural christian and a deist rather than an actual christian.
Exactly! I totally had no problem with this guy while listening to that! I even went on youtube and watched some more videos of him speaking about Christianity, and the only thing I have to say is that I'm speechless. He has to be the most humble theist I've ever heard of. And even though he believes in a supernatural god of some sort, he explains it all in a way people can accept. He outright rejects the god of the bible, that psychopath. He doesn't maintain that his god absolutely exist, he maintains that if a "god" of some sort does exist, it's nothing like what's described in ANY holy book, rather that god would be something above all of those gods morally.

Like said, he does sound like a deist because he doesnt maintain that god absolutely exist,being dogmatic, but he leaves the possibility open for himself being wrong. And that's something I just quite haven't ran into when encountering theist.
heinrich1858
Now all we need to do is convince all the Muslim extremists and well Utopia here we come.
No more infidel and suicide bombs.
Sweetsalem82103
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I believe that if there was a man like that around here then I would go to church. . .not because I'm christian, but because it seems like the way he thinks and what he preaches could trangress beyond the bounderies of one religion. I am always up for listening to those of other religions speak, you never know when one might say something that is meaningful to you as a person, not as a member of a religion.
The Fallen Deity
I may be "going too far" when I say this, but...OF COURSE IT IS!

I haven't watched the vid. yet but I had to make the following point:

If God were truly an all-perfect omni-being, then the idea of Hell is not only ludicrous but an insult to think that anything possessed of "omni-benevolence" could ever allow the eternal torment of it's infinitely-loved children. The only torment that exists is the result of one another's free will, which God seems opposed to altering.
The Fallen Deity
After watching the vid. all I can say is WOW! I think someone actually got "IT" right.

PRAISE ALLAH!

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timbeau
I like this guy.
Drayno
You see...this is a smart man. We share similar views on the idea of religion. Although I am atheist. tongue.gif
therion24
He is absolutely right.
Drayno
QUOTE (therion24 @ Jun 10 2008, 04:49 AM) *
He is absolutely right.

If the entire world thought like that man..I believe it would be a much less gloomy place. original.gif
666XZ
He took the words right out of my mouth.
ammy
QUOTE (timbeau @ Jun 10 2008, 03:09 AM) *
I like this guy.

I havent even watched the vid.But so do I original.gif.Bout time someone spoke up.
iSeeDeadPpl!
wow, well put.
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