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Beckys_Mom
**Here is a brand new question for anyone that believes**

For those of you that like to think that ALL children go straight to heaven..then perhaps you would care to try can answer this then ...

I was watching Discovery Science - show called - Haunting...a 5 yr old boy called Cody was haunted by another 6 yr old ghost called mann ......Codys mother asked Cody what had happened to the ghost.....Cody went into floods of tears as he told her ....this man took the boy, did bad things to him and buried his body behind some park....the last thing the boy remembers is laying in the cold, crying for his mommy................now he is a ghost, left to wonder the park.....befriended the boy, .most likely because they boy Cody just happen to be at the park at the time..and he was in around his own age .....(easier to relate to than an adult)......but still lost...has been for so many years...the boy cody had this pic of the ghost in his hand..he gave it to his mom, the ghost boy was just what Cody had previously described him...brown hair, pale skin dark eyes etc...Later the house was cleansed but what struck me was...

Here is a child that was brutally taken from his mother...beaten and abused (the kid said the bad man did bad things to him)....left him for dead as he did what any child would do and CRIED for his mommy, but was never to see her again..............so the kicker is...why didnt God just take him up to heaven?? Why was this ghost left to wonder the place where the bad man left him? WHY?

Now how many ar already thinking up their own answers in their own heads?
Could this be yet another - I don’t knows of life questions?
How many are willing to say god is letting the boy find hos own way? By letting him wonder for years lost?? When in reality you like to believe God takes all little children into heaven atraight away...

Was it the kids fault he was brutally taken from his mother , had bad things done to him and left to die crying out for her?? Was it? So due to this..left alone in that spiritual world

BTW the pic of the boy looked like a pic that was taken back in the 50's
greenboy
i was told if they die before 7 years old they go to Heaven, but I dont have any facts....
Beckys_Mom
The catholic faith says so...but the boy was 6 and in my book that comes before 7

And regardless on what the catholic church says...fact is up untill at least 12..a child is just a child


why the age limit??
Wootloops
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ May 31 2008, 05:47 PM) *
The catholic faith says so...but the boy was 6 and in my book that comes before 7

And regardless on what the catholic church says...fact is up untill at least 12..a child is just a child


why the age limit??


Why should the age even matter how any spirit is treated to begin with? I mean do you really think that there would be children in Heaven, stuck in an undeveloped state?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE (Wootloops @ May 31 2008, 10:53 PM) *
Why should the age even matter how any spirit is treated to begin with?

And..............why are you just repeating what I just said??? I said WHY the age limit??


~HaParash~
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ May 31 2008, 02:40 PM) *
**Here is a brand new question for anyone that believes**

For those of you that like to think that ALL children go straight to heaven..then perhaps you would care to try can answer this then ...

I was watching Discovery Science - show called - Haunting...a 5 yr old boy called Cody was haunted by another 6 yr old ghost called mann ......Codys mother asked Cody what had happened to the ghost.....Cody went into floods of tears as he told her ....this man took the boy, did bad things to him and buried his body behind some park....the last thing the boy remembers is laying in the cold, crying for his mommy................now he is a ghost, left to wonder the park.....befriended the boy, .most likely because they boy Cody just happen to be at the park at the time..and he was in around his own age .....(easier to relate to than an adult)......but still lost...has been for so many years...the boy cody had this pic of the ghost in his hand..he gave it to his mom, the ghost boy was just what Cody had previously described him...brown hair, pale skin dark eyes etc...Later the house was cleansed but what struck me was...

Here is a child that was brutally taken from his mother...beaten and abused (the kid said the bad man did bad things to him)....left him for dead as he did what any child would do and CRIED for his mommy, but was never to see her again..............so the kicker is...why didnt God just take him up to heaven?? Why was this ghost left to wonder the place where the bad man left him? WHY?

Now how many ar already thinking up their own answers in their own heads?
Could this be yet another - I don't knows of life questions?
How many are willing to say god is letting the boy find hos own way? By letting him wonder for years lost?? When in reality you like to believe God takes all little children into heaven atraight away...

Was it the kids fault he was brutally taken from his mother , had bad things done to him and left to die crying out for her?? Was it? So due to this..left alone in that spiritual world

BTW the pic of the boy looked like a pic that was taken back in the 50's

Who says that people go to their permanent dwelling place immediately after they die? People may live on as spirits to roam the Earth. It's not necessarily that the person is in pain as the roam. In fact, for many (I would believe) its quite enjoyable.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE (~Kaizen CJM~ @ Jun 1 2008, 12:08 AM) *
Who says that people go to their permanent dwelling place immediately after they die? People may live on as spirits to roam the Earth. It's not necessarily that the person is in pain as the roam. In fact, for many (I would believe) its quite enjoyable.

Hey COI you gave me the ole - who says evil doesnt work for god in another one of my threads, then 20 mins later you strolled back to confim i was right and answer the same question you asked me..

so hey if I stick arrround for another 20 mins, you might just answer that yourself? huh.gif rolleyes.gif

ENJOYABLE??? yea enjoyabl to be trapped in the very place to remind you where you were once brutally killed and to cry wondering were your mother is and feeling lost <---you call that enjoyable...I see hmmmm
~HaParash~
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ May 31 2008, 04:11 PM) *
Hey COI you gave me the ole - who says evil doesnt work for god in another one of my threads, then 20 mins later you strolled back to confim i was right and answer the same question you asked me..

so hey if I stick arrround for another 20 mins, you might just answer that yourself? huh.gif rolleyes.gif

ENJOYABLE??? yea enjoyabl to be trapped in the very place to remind you where you were once brutally killed and to cry wondering were your mother is and feeling lost <---you call that enjoyable...I see hmmmm

I didn't contradict myself at all. The only reason you perceived a contradiction is because you started with a presumption that you did not state.

How on Earth do you know what the spirit felt? Did Cody help the spirit? You have to wonder these things. Not to mention that I do not believe that a spirit (which roams) is "trapped" in the place where they passed.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE (~Kaizen CJM~ @ Jun 1 2008, 12:15 AM) *
I didn't contradict myself at all. The only reason you perceived a contradiction is because you started with a presumption that you did not state.

How on Earth do you know what the spirit felt? Did Cody help the spirit? You have to wonder these things. Not to mention that I do not believe that a spirit (which roams) is "trapped" in the place where they passed.

The spirit told Cody how he felt COI..I watch the documentary myself and many others like it....what makes you think spirits dont feel this way?? they all dont live in la la land and think everything is dandy!!!!!!!!!

and if you dont wish to believe he spirit is trapped, then all you are telling me is your wn faith is a simple straight forward all is dandy...nothing is negative or needs question...fair enough, but that faith is far from what I am as a person..I use my head to QUESTION things...lifes all about questions

not la de da answers
~HaParash~
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ May 31 2008, 04:21 PM) *
The spirit told Cody how he felt COI..I watch the documentary myself and many others like it....what makes you think spirits dont feel this way?? they all dont live in la la land and think everything is dandy!!!!!!!!!

So do you think that the documentary should be considered factual because of the fact that it was on Discovery Science?

What makes you think that spirits DO feel this way?

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and if you dont wish to believe he spirit is trapped, then all you are telling me is your wn faith is a simple straight forward all is dandy...nothing is negative or needs question...fair enough, but that faith is far from what I am as a person..I use my head to QUESTION things...lifes all about questions

not la de da answers

It's not a la de da answer, you just have the habit of misunderstanding what I say. So I post the basic answer. Spirits are not trapped, they are free to roam (so I believe). Spirits may or may not be feeling negative. I did not say that it was positive for all of them. I said "For many (i believe) it is quite enjoyable". If it were terrible for most of the spirits then we would have lots of hauntings and a lot more frequently. But do to the small amount of hauntings that occur, we can conclude that MOST roaming spirits are enjoying themselves.
Lt_Ripley
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ May 31 2008, 05:40 PM) *
**Here is a brand new question for anyone that believes**

For those of you that like to think that ALL children go straight to heaven..then perhaps you would care to try can answer this then ...

I was watching Discovery Science - show called - Haunting...a 5 yr old boy called Cody was haunted by another 6 yr old ghost called mann ......Codys mother asked Cody what had happened to the ghost.....Cody went into floods of tears as he told her ....this man took the boy, did bad things to him and buried his body behind some park....the last thing the boy remembers is laying in the cold, crying for his mommy................now he is a ghost, left to wonder the park.....befriended the boy, .most likely because they boy Cody just happen to be at the park at the time..and he was in around his own age .....(easier to relate to than an adult)......but still lost...has been for so many years...the boy cody had this pic of the ghost in his hand..he gave it to his mom, the ghost boy was just what Cody had previously described him...brown hair, pale skin dark eyes etc...Later the house was cleansed but what struck me was...

Here is a child that was brutally taken from his mother...beaten and abused (the kid said the bad man did bad things to him)....left him for dead as he did what any child would do and CRIED for his mommy, but was never to see her again..............so the kicker is...why didnt God just take him up to heaven?? Why was this ghost left to wonder the place where the bad man left him? WHY?

we don't know if the above is even true.

Now how many ar already thinking up their own answers in their own heads?

now do you want our answers or only want us to agree with your answers that you have thought up ?

Could this be yet another - I don’t knows of life questions?

sometimes the answer is 'I don't know'. or 'just because' or we don't get the answers yet since the test is not over and no one said 'put your pencils down '


How many are willing to say god is letting the boy find hos own way? By letting him wonder for years lost?? When in reality you like to believe God takes all little children into heaven atraight away...

I can't even say the story is true. yet if it is it could be even the emotional memory stuck , not the soul ? Maybe it's the soul just wanting it's mother to know what happened ? Who says he's lost ?

Was it the kids fault he was brutally taken from his mother , had bad things done to him and left to die crying out for her?? Was it? So due to this..left alone in that spiritual world

fault ? could be his spiritual path . Who said he was alone ?

BTW the pic of the boy looked like a pic that was taken back in the 50's


I believe we all get to heaven . all of us without exception.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE (~Kaizen CJM~ @ Jun 1 2008, 12:26 AM) *
So do you think that the documentary should be considered factual because of the fact that it was on Discovery Science?

What makes you think that spirits DO feel this way?

What makes you think they DON'T? could it be that for so many dont catch on they they have died?? for so many they are saddened by what had happened to them? what makes you think this dont happen??

you seem to be caught up in some little dandy world of your own...but this is real for so many....you do not want this to happen to you .

you are just a 15 yr old kid, you have your life ahead of you...then you must wonder...are you going to encounter a lost sad spirit??? you dont know....but it could happen

then what? save it I dont wish to know... just like all those spirits that were taken before their rtime are lost...confused as to why so soon? hurt because they are lost...<--deny it all you like..but I cant and neither can many others

QUOTE
It's not a la de da answer, you just have the habit of misunderstanding what I say. So I post the basic answer. Spirits are not trapped, they are free to roam (so I believe). Spirits may or may not be feeling negative. I did not say that it was positive for all of them. I said "For many (i believe) it is quite enjoyable". If it were terrible for most of the spirits then we would have lots of hauntings and a lot more frequently. But do to the small amount of hauntings that occur, we can conclude that MOST roaming spirits are enjoying themselves.
You have just stated like you said what you believe <--FINE if you believe in it...but DONT tell me what I should believe OK??? got that???


~HaParash~
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ May 31 2008, 04:34 PM) *
What makes you think they DON'T? could it be that for so many dont catch on they they have died?? for so many they are saddened by what had happened to them? what makes you think this dont happen??

I'm certain it does, I mentioned that in the second part of my post.

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you seem to be caught up in some little dandy world of your own...but this is real for so many....you do not want this to happen to you .

you are just a 15 yr old kid, you have your life ahead of you...then you must wonder...are you going to encounter a lost sad spirit??? you dont know....but it could happen

For your information I have met sad lost spirits, most of them were alive. Those who have passed have passed. We could try to help them, but it would be rather unfruitful. It would be easier to prevent more "lost" spirits from being created.
QUOTE
then what? save it I dont wish to know... just like all those spirits that were taken before their rtime are lost...confused as to why so soon? hurt because they are lost...<--deny it all you like..but I cant and neither can many others

Why are they lost? Who said that all those who pass "before their time" are lost?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE (Lt_Ripley @ Jun 1 2008, 12:28 AM) *
we don't know if the above is even true.

Well I am not going to call a 5 yr old child from Kentucky a lair.....you can if you wish...but I dont....

QUOTE
now do you want our answers or only want us to agree with your answers that you have thought up ?

You are a grown up arent you ripley?? then why do't you answer as you wish...or are you just nit picking at me for something ELSE?? huh.gif seriously!!!

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I can't even say the story is true. yet if it is it could be even the emotional memory stuck , not the soul ? Maybe it's the soul just wanting it's mother to know what happened ? Who says he's lost ?

Well see I am going on what this spirit told the boy...when I saw the face of the boy telling the story...I sensed it....and if the soul was wanting its mother to know..then he must be so far from her...I think the killer took him far away so he could never wonder back to contact her EVER AGAIN ....

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fault ? could be his spiritual path . Who said he was alone ?

Did you just more or less answer this yourself moments ago? and as for if he is alone..well it seemed that way, as he attached himself to a living 5 yr old boy and played with him....well the boy was just a year younger

as for you thinking it MUST be his path..well if that happened back in the 50'd and this boy Cody was haunted by the little spirit in the year 2000, gee thats one long path to wonder

which leads me to ask yet again...........why this path?? why if he was killed brutally and dumped far from his mother, why didnt god just take him straight to heaven?? you do believe in heaven right?
Lottie
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You have just stated like you said what you believe <--FINE if you believe in it...but DONT tell me what I should believe OK??? got that???


If you don't want an opinion than don't start the thread. Before this develops into what will be another thread with nothing but arguments, bickering and name calling, I am closing it down.
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