Evil spirits

We have all heard stories of evil sprits
Discovery Science has gotten to be one of my favourite channels lol
Here’s the deal...This family found themselves in a new home...the mother had a bad feeling about the home she didn’t like it, she felt a horrible presence there but her husband was adamant that it was a good house

So do when they want people OUT...taunting the living!!

Here is what got to me and also got me thinking... the mother in the house was suffering nightmares and her daughter was attacked by this evil spirit. The mother watched in horror as she saw her girl get lifted in the air and pinned against the wall...the girl of course was frightened and crying, the mother dashes over and yells for the spirit to let her girl go. The girl falls straight to the floor..later they all move out for good <------------the thing that got to me was...they previously had a preist over blessing the house 2 months before this happened, they got a peaceful 2 months and then BAMMM..ohh and the dad was possessed and was sent to prison for trying to kill the family...eeeww reminded me of the - Amityville Horror and that too was a true story...amazing

Now in my book that evil spirit got its way and WON..how often has the spirit scared people away from its home?
How many evil spirits get to taunt the living?

So now what? ..........You can be a bad person whilst living on earth and when you die, heck you can continue being the bad guy but wait, now you have powers that allows you to throw people about like rag dolls, set things on fire, possess people and create dreadful illusions to scare people and keep doing it, over and over and most likely love it..YES you get to enjoy in death what you loved to do in life
So what REALLY happens to bad people?? I am guessing they get to remain bad and hey if they are lucky they get powers too

Where do they get their power from? And before anyone tries to make sense of this... evil spirits where people once...all had to begin some place
Is there really a devil or are these evil spirits just dead evil souls that were always that way?

I have a quick qustion to believers...if you believe that evil works for God...then why can't you see that it seems to be a sick way to get people to follow god? <--like I said IF...<--dont ignore the iff LOL plz don't

What makes you think that God sends evil to get us to follow him?

Well if God is supposed to have created everything and is also omnipotent, omnipresent and omnicogniscent. Then he will have known and already seen what would have happened when he created it, God also wants us for follow him and we are told to worship him and some claim that not doing so will be punished. Therefore it seems that scaring people in belief is a perfectly reasonable assumption to make from this don't you think?

Becky, just from a conversation we had ages ago about supernatural etc and whether that belief must go with God, what do you think now?

Personally I err on the side of spirits not existing, but I am not sure of course. And I love hearing the 'stories'. Well not the truly evil ones in any case

If you haven't thought about it and aren't sure - that is cool. I am sure you are still processing and figuring out what goes with what lol. Hell I am still unsure!!!

Why didnt you just read the question you just quoted??? it clearly reads - a question to those that DO believe evil works for god <,--now that you have re-read it...what makes you think believers have never thought the devil or evil works for god???

prove to me that people havent thought this...

No, it doesn't. Because God is also a loving and merciful God. He does not "scare" people into believing in him. Not in Judaism he doesn't. Evil is here simply because of the fact that God wants us to have free will. God does want us to "follow" him, but following him is a simple matter. Most people can accomplish "following" God by:

1. Maintaining humility.

2. Refraining from animalism.

3. Being just and merciful.

4. To be loving and care about family.

5. Not to be anti-religious (IE, there is no reason to ever curse, insult, demean, or harm someone based on the sole fact that they are religion)

6. Do not be cruel to animals.

7. Have standards and accountability.

I DO believe that evil works for God. In Judaism Satan is nothing more than one of God's faithful angelic servants. Evil is relatively non-existant. In any case, evil spirits "work" for God, but not for the sake of getting people to follow God. Evil's main job is to keep our will free.

I never wanted to believe in ghosts but I have seen one or two long ago...

Now ghosts whether they be good or evil...still classed as spirits..so this thread I took hold of the evil kind and taaa daaaaaa LOL

It strikes me they get exactly what they like.....<---I wondered how many would feel a tad concerned....as it dont seem as though they are rotting and suffering in hell now does it?

Yes but is Genesis not also a book of the Torah? In that he wipes out all life on Earth to a level of functional extinction. How is that all loving?
I also don't believe you can anything that is omnicogniscent, omnipresent and omnipotent and have free will. Since they would know everything that will have happened before they did it.

and 20 mins later you come back and you answer it all by yourself with..



So as you asked me WHY do I think so....UMM people like you make me wonder why?? you just contradicted yourself in such a weird way COI

Yes that is true. Why aren't they in hell?

Believe it or not, you will find people that may well suggest, that that is HELL for them...yet if they call being allowed to have powers used to taunt the living and torture them...thats hell doing what they love...I would like to see what the heck heaven is???

1. What is all-loving?

2. Does the fact that I know you're going to kill a man mean that you don't have any choice as to whether or not you kill the man?



*sighs*....My question was linguistically accurate. You left out that we're assuming that "work for God" means getting people to follow God. That is not why evil is here, that is why the Jews are here. Working for God and Getting people to follow God are different things. Getting people to follow is working for God, but working for God is not necessarily limited to getting people to follow him.

1) well not wiping out 99.99% of the life on the planet wouldn't really come under that would it?
2) If you created the world and you where omnicogniscent, omnipresent and omnipotent, you would know what was going to happen because to you it will have already happened. You know all and knew all consequence because of this. So probably not no, choice is then merely illusionary.

*sighs* you know you just jumped the gun by asking me something getting up in my face then coming back 20 mins later to confirm I was right...

I dont care about the jews...i am talking about EVERYONE not just what the jews believe....this isnt about just one faith

you dont know why evil is here...I dont either...and im not that pretentious to think I do....but if you like to believe evil works for god and yes you just stated you DID...then I will re-share my opinion on that....IMO thats a sick way to get others to follow god...

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It's not about making people follow G-d. It's about humans exercising their free will to choose to follow G-d and not evil.

If you're asking "Why does G-d allow evil the world?" that's something theologians and philosophers have been asking for millenia!!

Did he wipe out 99.99%?

What is all-loving? (You have yet to answer this question)


Knowing something does not mean that you control the outcome of your pre-knowledge. I know that the sun will rise tomorrow, does that mean that the sun can't stay down tomorrow?



God does not have evil here to get people to follow him.

Evil is here to preserve our freewill.

There are other things to get people to follow God.

Evil is not one of them.


Working people for God does not equal getting people to follow God.

Evil works for God. It doesn't get people to follow him.

Where does one find it necessary to push their belief on someone without seeming over condescending?

It seems to happen a lot on here with beliefs and religions.

According to Genesis he did in the great flood, that actually is probably slight to few decimal places though.
Well as I said it isn't killing everyone. That is malice not love. Which by default would rule out all loving since it is not an act of love. I don't therefore need to answer the question, but 'll give you one it would be only acting in love and kindness, no cruelty, no malice no evil. I don't believe that is the case and I have pointed out why. I could give further examples.

It does if you are omni-etc and created everything since you already know the out come and everyone's actions before hand, that by its nature. And yes the sun can not just "stay down" tomorrow. The universe does not work like that.

Where in my post am I "pushing" my beliefs?

Don't you and I have free will - the ability to decide and choose between doing what's right and what's wrong - all our lives? Even an atheist can make a personal decision to do the right thing or not.

Choosing between doing what's right and what's wrong transcends faiths.

Unless you mean actually having a sense of right and wrong is in fact pushing faith? I hope that's not what you mean.

Source?



Lol, I know the sun can't, the sun doesn't have free will. It has no choice but to do what God wants it to.

Genesis, the first book of the bible and book of the Torah. It says he killed everyone but Noah and family and 2 of each animal.

No do we if you believe in an all knowing, all seeing, all powerful God

I believe that God could kill as many people as he wants and remain all-seeing and all-powerful. We do not have the full story. Suppose that all but Noah's family deserved execution?

first off - the Amityville Horror was not a true story .

http://www.csicop.org/si/2003-01/amityville.html

I doubt the next story is true either.



I believe 'evil' is just the other side of good - same coin. all part of the path. A way to follow God ? no. I don't think so. Follow God or not - all goes according to the plan , purpose. All part of the experience called life. Organized religion may say otherwise , but that's them.

Indeed, I cannot agree more with your position MasterPo.

I am talking about the people on here who go directly by God's word, a book etc. Then push this belief on everyone else.

That could we be considered and evil thing to do to on Gods parts. And yes he could remain all seeing/knowing/powerful, however if he is and created the universe he knew the out come before hand and hence free will would not be real and hence any action such as his killing is someone because he does not like what they do is malice and since he knew they would do that before hand. Seemingly you have misunderstood the previous post.

Umm I didnt ask why does god allow evil...where did you get this from?

The Amityville story as far as im concerned is true...I believe so...

you can doubt what you wish Ripley...on te same note..I can to, but I can still ask anyone else why

What is the PLAN??? people go on about this plan...but no one knows what this plan is....and how can it be part of lifes experience? please explain

If I misinterpreted your post my apologies.

You seemed to be asking why is evil used as a path to G-d.

Yes but I didnt state God allows it..I didnt ask why even....I asked why do people believe that evil works for god...key word I used was people...and to add, if it is, then its a sick way to get anyone to follow god

so now that we are on that, can you please explain to me how you know how gods mind works?<--not trying to be sarcastic, I m just asking....because so many like ot claim they can speak for god, but at the same time cant prove god is real

I personally, do not think there is any supposed plan. If one so wishes to believe there is then so be it,
that is their prerogative.

If a person does believe in this supposed plan? Then yes, I guess it would be part of their life experience.

See this is what I am trying to figure out, even as a believer I didnt know what this plan was...and I never met a person that did

So I wonder this - how can it be part of a persons life experience, if they have no idea on what it all is?? so are they saying - part of lifes experience is not knowing answers to important questions?
do you see where I am coming from?

Hmmm plan vs no plan. Or plan 'we don't know of and don't understand' vs no plan. What is the difference?

Could it just be when something bad happens we can say "Don't worry about it......it is part of the plan" Like a kind of motherhood statement of "It's OK, don't worry too much it'll all be alright in the end"

Perhaps when I do something bad against a person, I'll just tell them don't worry it's part of the plan. You just don't understand the lesson yet, don't be fussed

If we don't know anything about this 'plan' - how does it differ then from no plan?

So, you are saying that absolutely no one has told you what they think this plan is? If that is the case,
then I suppose that I am dumbfounded on that one as well.

What people have no problem in believing in....meaning SOME people

SOME...like to believe that when a person dies..their soul is judged and sent either to heaven or hell
Good souls ...are only there to help others?

SOme have said they were in the presense of good spirits that didnt harm them <--a lot olf people love to beleive this is true


then we hav the NEGATIVE part..the lost side...not many like to believe souls can be lost? WHY? well I dunno why..all I can say is...they just like to believe so

What about the angry souls? why are they angered? <--som,e will say in denial - who says they are angered? OR maybe they are just angry because they are lost, then they forget that they stated - but who says they are lost? who say what where how?

IS it so wrong to only believe n the good things??? ...my answer is NO..not at all...nothing wrong with it...but there does come a time in someone’s life when things will challenge them, and things change, and you will find yourself asking ALL SORTS

that people is all I am trying to say....yes you can disbelieve ghost stories that dont suit your beliefs its NATURAL you will...heck its natural for anyone not to believe in ANY of it period right?


But I have asked questions...I ask because I myself am curious.....im not going to run along an just agree with everyone who denies all is lost and sad or whatever the soul situation may be

*****But I will say this much............we here on earth experience what it is like to feel - Sad, lost, hurt, anger..just the same way we feel love, happy, even funny lol... <---so if you believe we living have souls..then why cant the soul feel the same as it once did as a human being?*****

Id lik to see anyone explain how a soul cant feel anyone those things

I tend to feel thats a bit of a derogatory statement. It solves nothing really, it only adds to the confusion.

Thats just it! I don't get it. What plan? How can a person say there is a plan in life without knowing if there
in fact, really is? How can a person be so sure it will all be ok in the end when they really do not know what the plan is.

People can tell me what they think it is ut that says nothing to what it really is

lol of course humanly we don't know what the plan is . spiritually we do. we are spiritual beings having a human experience . if we realized what the plan was the experience of living life wouldn't be the same.

Yes, that's true! But, only in the sense that in means nothing to you, as far as the person
telling you though it means quite a bit. But, will more than likely solve nothing.

How do you know we are all spiritual beings Ripley?

a soul would have no need to feel as a human does . it's a different existence ! that doesn't mean it can't take in the experience.

look back at your past and everything you went through. do those emotions and events feel the same as they did when you first went through them ? How did they shape your character ? if your life were to end today and you summed it up in one sentence what would that sentence be ? was it worth it ? was life worth living ? why ? what did you gain ?

maybe that's what happens to the soul.

plenty of psychics tell others loved ones are happy ......... even those who died violently. Obviously there is a difference in the way we as humans feel emotion and once we die.

about as much as your sure there is nothing . there is no way of knowing .

But we all build our beliefs on something. They aren't just random things that pop into our heads, well mostly not lol! So how did you find out about it, or what do you base the belief on? Just interested - cause you have mentioned the 'spiritual beings having a human experience' a few times. It actually has a nice ring to it

I am not saying there is NO spiritual realm beyond this one because, I do not know. If a person decides to feel
that there most certainly is then thats fine, as these beliefs only pertain to the individual.

It's discussing these points of view in a forum as if they are facts that I cannot get a grasp on.
Everyone has a different opinion on such controversial beliefs.

LMAO..forgive me but I still dont see your point...saying we are spiritual s then that must mean..............we all know there is a plan?? or could that be..we all like to think we are here for SOME weird purpose so there MUST be a plan...but in reality we have no clue as to what it is??? which leads us ALL right back to the drawing board!!

Pretty much like the dino's..once roamed the earth over 65 million years ago..the ruled...what was the plan for them?live, eat, get wiped out lol OR culd we all be as ignorant as humans to only think...plans are for just the humans and forget the rest of the living!!!!!!!!dun dun dunnnnnn

Like it's a part of this supposed plan for millions of people to suffer on a daily basis. Seriously, what kind of plan is that?

Is this a personal belief of your own? or has someone told you this?


Looking back at my past..IE something that hurt me.........ok I look back and do I feel the hurt as I once did?..............YES....still feel hurt for what happened...so now what ripley??


Well it took a long long long time to try and get past them...but still they haunt me...I dont believe it made me stronger...I think thats just cods wallop (in other words crap talk).... it dont make you stronger..it just makes you remember and it can sadden you still the same

Some things are so easy to get past...but when something disturbs you..thats it...

ripley...all i could say is this...in reality if I were taken and I felt I was not meant to go..I would most likely feel anger......was it worth it? the only thing I would say was worth it was being with my partner and having becky...the rest NO..I wouldnt sit and dwell on it...

I believe if you as a human once felt enmotions good and bad..then as a spirit you can still do so.............I call it reality ..in what makes sense to ME

You say MAYBE..and you do so for a reason..because you just don't know............neither do I..but see like you, I am putting together what makes sense in reality and in the spiritual world....im not trying to pretend all will be so good..and no negative feelings will ever pop up again...NO...

I believe..as a spirit, you need to be prepared for all emotions....

Sadly its not..but I understand that a lot of beleivers wish to beleive that just dont happen...I was once like that....

Are some of you trying to say that LIFE in general is the plan?