You didn't look very hard did you? The answer is yes.

Below are two photographs taken in London during the Battle of Britain in 1940 (I think you will find that is a bit before 1980).

Oh look, LOTS of long white lines in the sky.

How can that possibly be a fact when studies dating back nearly 70 years show that given the right conditions, contrails can and will persist and spread to form a cirrus layer?

Why do you think that something collected on the ground should be assumed to have come from a plane more than 30,000 feet in the air?

...and the very government officials who are "chemming" us breathe the same air we do...don't they? How are they immune from the products they are spraying? Aerial dusting of crops is done at very low levels, not from FL330. Such spraying would be quite indiscriminate.

Why would anyone try and "dumb you down"?? We are simly telling you that you are wrong. Because you are wrong...try reading a little bit before posting next time.

Quote from hazzards post.



You see...You dont have to be afraid of the white lines in the sky anymore...

Jet try the following gather together a large amount of the said material then you can,

1. Float a boat in it

2. Keep fish in it

3. Bathe in it

4. cook vegetables in it

5. mix it with scotch and drink it (Sorry all our Scots fans! )

6. wash a 'chemical bomber' with it

7. Ski on it in both its liquid and frozen state of matter

8. Skip flat stones off it, film them and claim they are UFOs

got the point yet, its water, H2O, Aqua, akool, let it go or I'll get my black suit and sunglasses out of retirement and pay you a neurolisation visit (again - whoops what a giveaway)

I do like you, glyn, seriously!

I honestly do...this is priceless, you government disinformation agent, you!





It's bloody water.

Waspie...posting some pretty unreal photos, ca. 1940, showed some connies in the atmosphere aloft...and they weren't even jets.


I wonder, if all you jet airliner chemical spraying afficianadoes can explain why propeller driven aircraft left these trails in 1940?

Think they too were spraying chemicals over London?

Thanks again Mid,
I've come to the conclusion that you can't talk sense to those who don't want to recognise it - so you may as well counteract their c--p with humour and hopefully sprinkle a little bit of practical engineering science over it.

You do know of course, when the reptiloids park their scoutship on the whitehouse lawn and say "By the way, about the chemicals in the sky thing you were wondering about!" then you and I will have to eat an awful lot of crow - (they might even end up extinct because of it!)

Agreed, completely!



You're absolutely right, we will.

I await the day with anticipation!!!!


But until then, a little fun never hurt anything...

Hey you.....don't take the name of that wonderful, highly intelligent bird in vain.....because IF
there's something 'dodgey' going on...whatever that might be......it could be the crows eating YOU........

Oh Bee!
Eating crow as in eating crow pie! - a colonial expression with the same meaning as what the English call eating ones words or eating ones hat when embarressed to be caught out in an obviously erroneous standpoint on a particular subject.

I agree with you - Eating actual crows would be a nasty vile thing to do.(unless you hang them well and marinate soundly in scrumpy cider ). Hey perhaps that what the 'Chemtrail substance' is!

Here in the states, the old saw goes "Fry the crow on a brick. When it appears done medium-well, throw the crow away and eat the brick."

I know...I was just playing...




Lucky for crows, eh? That they're not very tasty........

Very good point, everybody involved in this "spraying" activity would have to live in bubbles or want to live in bubble's

I did take the time to listen to the video. I really am open to the idea that something could be getting sprayed from planes; I know that there are planes that at times dump fuel, there are also planes that spray water for testing purposes, overall though, contrails are contrails. The happen at all altitude in a lot of different weather conditions and have happened for a long time. We have more planes in the air now than we have in the past, so it stands to reason that we would see more contrails now than in years past.

The lack of knowledge on the part of the narrator(or his staff I guess) in regards to how contrails("chemtrails") occur at different altitudes, made me a bit suspiscious as to the overall study. At one point the haze across the desert southwest is blamed on the chemtrails...as if smog and huge population explosions in the area have nothing to do with that...it just seems like such poor research and such subjective statements lead to the overall fear based theme of the video...A guy(Who claims to have a doctorate in some science) talking about hearing a child wheezing in the hospital...as if that is caused by contrails somehow...Odd. Just sensationalist.

No mention is made as to how the "biological" evidence is gathered that has been attributed to the chemtrails...which leads me to wonder how valid the evidence is. On a planet stuffed full of biological material it is virtually impossible to NOT get biological evidence in any given place even when you arent trying to...NASA found that out trying to sterilize things for space travel...

Exactly. Also adding to the increase in contrails seen is that jets fly higher now, partly due to increased traffic and partly due to better engines. Higher altitudes means colder air which means better chances for contrail formation. There is also the newer engines themselves that contribute. It was known in the 40's that higher power settings made contrail formation more common. Today's engines are more powerful, and more fuel efficient (more water vapor in exhast to condense on due ot fuel being burned more completely).

Indeed, anything on video or the internet considered as fact is done so by the ignorantor those who researched the shown evidence.

Exactly the same is true for those who provide no counter evidence, though they can only share doubts.

The game is asy to decipher when you used a non biased approach. Test the sun's corona with your cam corder during a day when your sky is filled with lines. the thread video link gives instructions on how to see these so called con trails and properly identify them for yourself as filaments floating in the air. Returnto the video about 18 minutes forwards and view the filaments yourself.

That being one way to gain a fact on chem trails and not to be confused by the corrunt cover story about all trails are con trails.

What the filaments are as suspect research can only be agreed upon by producing more than just words of doubt Mr FluffyBunny ?

I cant say what the filiments are either, because THEY didnt say what they filiments were, where they got them, how they got them, what the chemical makeup of the filiments was or any of a dozen other questions a good scientist would use for such an investigation. The video throws the picture of the filiments out there(I guess, I have no way to know for sure), with a claim of inconclusive reponse from the lab (No actual specific lab results, no letters, nothing) and leaves it hanging implying that there is something ominous going on. Pretty horrible research. I can go grab a spiderweb off of my rosebush and make an equal claim, without evidence it does not make it valid.

When that kind of flakey investigation is taking place with equally flakey reporting, it is hard to take anything they say seriously.

To me it feels like people that have never taken more than grade school science classes who are putting this together trying their best to gather "evidence" to support their claim without getting any input from other sources as to what other explanations to the phenomena may be.

The scientific process is a wonderful thing, it helps to establish an idea and then look at it from all sides to make sure it is sound before claiming it to be fact; this sensationalistic reporting doesnt do anything like that and just tries to trump up evidence to support their claims even when their are other explainations for that evidence.

Having people come on and claim that "Back in the day the sky used to be bluer" and then try to attribute something so speculative to chem trails is just crazy. First you need to establish it as a fact that the skies are in fact "less blue" and not just one mans opinion (along with "back in my day we walked 10 miles to school uphill-bothways kinds of memories) or that the skies being "less blue" cannot be attributed to say, huge population explosions and smog in the area rather than chem trails...

It is just sloppy and sensationalistic reporting that makes it difficult to take anythign they say seriously. I really did take the time to listen to everything they said, and researched what few facts they did give out, but there really werent many, in was pretty much all speculation and opinion which means nothing in the long run.

Quoting myself here.....I have put this video into a couple of Chem Trails threads....and NO-ONE has
taken any notice of it or ventured to comment on it.....Fluffybunny.....JET SAVAGE.....ANYONE care to
say something about this?

The military uses chaff as a "confuser" against radar, be it aircraft or missile borne. Sometimes it's like tinsle, sometimes it's something different. It's used in small bursts, then spreads out. Been in use since WWII. It's got nothing to do with chemtrails, contrails or much else.

I am not sure if I am missing something or not, but(assuming the weatherman is right) it sounds like there was a good deal of chaff in the air. Chaff does get used in testing and training, so we would need to know what military actions were going on in the area and if that accounted for the large amount. If there are missile targeting systems being checked for accuracy through chaff or something similar, then it would stand to reason that there would be large amounts needed. I would need more infor than what the clip provides...it could be something bad, or it could be something explainable.

Actually the weatherman seems to know more less what he's talking about, which is nothing whatsoever to do with chemtrails, mainly for the reason that the latter are fictitious.

The thing is...they've got to get this 'chaff' out somehow....and I'm thinking that they might have to
release it in the 'trails' that people get suspiscious about.




The reason I wanted to get someone elses views on this was because if the military are releasing 'chaff' sometimes
over large areas then I was speculating that this 'chaff' business could explain a lot of what people talk about....with
jets releasing 'something' and the canisters etc that have been shown on another thread.

Here's another video (72 seconds) saying a bit more....and it's weathermen again!

Link...>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Gw5Wmtu-8&NR=1

The paper that the man is holding up.....you would have thought that people would have found something this
size lying around....but he also says that sometimes it is small glass fibres coated in aluminum(spelling?)
Now...these 'fibres' I presume would disperse and could maybe be breathed in by people....and this could
possibly explain why there may be a degree of health risk attatched to it all...which would also explain why
people have connected 'chem-trails' to health risks???




Perhaps they are more like 'powder trails' not 'chem-trails'......ie the glass fibres coated in aluminum...?


Thanks for watching the weatherman video and commenting you three.....I was frustrated before that
no-one was picking up on it...because I thought it could answer some of the 'chem-trail' questions.

I found this rather cool one of a C-130 releasing flares (to distract heat seeking missiles) and chaff: http://youtube.com/watch?v=BDJOEnuLPzk ;
you can see that the puffs of smoke only lasts a few seconds.

And this is a warship firing chaff: http://youtube.com/watch?v=l4vSajIa904 again, you can see that it comes in puffs of smoke rather than continuous trails.

I don't know whether or not that answers any questions, but I think it looks cool, nevertheless.

Well it does increase knowledge on the subject... ..on the first 'weatherman' video the area that the 'chaff'
was over, was pretty big...so I think it would take more than a few puffs. So the question remains...
would it be dispersed in the trails of jets? In the second 'weatherman' video he mentioned jets.

In WW2 chaff was strips of aluminium foil cut to a set length based on what 'Intelligence' said the enemys radar frequency was for that day.

modern radars change frequencys every few seconds to avoid being jammed by single length chaff, so most modern aircraft systems use a dispensor pod that analyses the radar signal and then chops aluminized fibreglass strands, (stored in the pod as spools), as they leave the pod, to match the current radar frequency threat.

It only takes a small amount of this chaff say 10lbs at most to blanket a large area depending on the speed/height of the aircraft and the duration of the threat and it is not unknown for a pod to malfunction and continuously pump out chaff packets even after the threat is neutralised. this may be what happened in the Tampa weatherman incident.

sorry if i have duplicated anyon elses posts, havent been on line for a couple of days. Hopefully I havent broken too many countries secrets acts sharing this with you!

I think the idea of it is that it stays in the air for a fairly long time, so it confuses radar, but I think it gets spread quickly by the wind, so it probably wouldn't stay concentrated like a contrail for long, though someone who knows about it would probably be able to say more about it.

So Jet, is it your belief that the US Government is spraying the american population to keep them stupid & lathargic ?....................careful how you answer this one.

Firstly, this I think is an official missinformation con video supporting a natual quake in China (non haarp weather controlled). The solar flare at the very end and bottom of the video seem too obvious. Rcorded 10 minutes before the Sichuan earthquake. There actually is an earlier videoshot in China with a similar ` 10 minutes before the quake ` It is at the bottom of this post. THE POINT: I recognize this copy and diffuse method of dissinformation. I i very familiar an is only conducted when sensitive facts have reached the surface of the public domain...A few seconds of our sun.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYQA4ivQcNw

The obvious truth occurs when you actually look at pictures prior to 1985 and compare them to today. Then and before then you will be amazed to see more than 2 trails in the sky at the same time, and you will notice how they vanish very soon after. Today, they last in the sky for hours. no, the vapour trails are the same as pre 1985, 1 or two in the sky at the same time. The majority of lines are quite different, especially if you choose to look at the satellite image on this thread. I prefer to to bother proove anything but display. It is obvious the debate against chemtrals is feuled here only with with speculation and not facts. I sit patiently waiting for facts so the debate can begin, yet I understand that this is a place for informing others as well as prooving facts, so hear this.

Especially for those living near Bright0on UK>

South England, near Brighton, right now I was attempting to identify if a heavy haze of clouds above me was con trais or normal clouds. It is so big it was dubious yet it seems to be partly a chem trail construct, To test whether or not they were vapour trails I watche for over three hours and saw no disapation of trail intensity as the winds were slight.

A thought came to mind, maybe the chem trails are used as a transmitter to manipulate minds over a wide area. I suddenly noticed a strange marking in the clouds, three lines in the clouds shaped in the form of a large capitol N. The colour of the lines were like a familiar metal rainbow sheen. I immediately recognised this anomalae from the recent China quake where accusations of haarp type technology being used to cause the quake were reported. The clouds over the hina quake zone hours before their quake is on this video.

The point is to inform others of this anomalae, and to speculate on the use of technology prior to events, or to speculate the need for chem trail meshes to control mindsand weather via this EM technology or to speculate that we are alredy being mind controlled via these methods.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=hzVamNQzfYA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYQA4ivQcNw


Firstly, this I think is an official missinformation con video supporting a natual quake in China (non haarp weather controlled). The solar flare at the very end and bottom of the video seem too obvious. Rcorded 10 minutes before the Sichuan earthquake. There actually is an earlier videoshot in China with a similar ` 10 minutes before the quake ` It is at the bottom of this post. THE POINT: I recognize this copy and diffuse method of dissinformation. I i very familiar an is only conducted when sensitive facts have reached the surface of the public domain...A few seconds of our sun.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYQA4ivQcNw

The obvious truth occurs when you actually look at pictures prior to 1985 and compare them to today. Then and before then you will be amazed to see more than 2 trails in the sky at the same time, and you will notice how they vanish very soon after. Today, they last in the sky for hours. no, the vapour trails are the same as pre 1985, 1 or two in the sky at the same time. The majority of lines are quite different, especially if you choose to look at the satellite image on this thread. I prefer to to bother proove anything but display. It is obvious the debate against chemtrals is feuled here only with with speculation and not facts. I sit patiently waiting for facts so the debate can begin, yet I understand that this is a place for informing others as well as prooving facts, so hear this.

Especially for those living near Bright0on UK>

South England, near Brighton, right now I was attempting to identify if a heavy haze of clouds above me was con trails or normal clouds. It is so big it was not obvious yet it seems to be partly a chem trail construct. To test whether or not they were vapour trails I watched for over three hours and saw no dissapation of trail intensity as the winds were slow.

A thought came to mind, maybe the chem trails are used as a transmitter to manipulate minds over a wide area. I suddenly noticed a strange marking in the clouds, three lines in the clouds shaped in the form of a large capitol N. Actually, more like that ZORRO symbol The colour of the lines were like a metal rainbow sheen I see rarely in clouds. I immediately recognised this anomalae from the recent China quake where accusations of haarp type technology being used to cause the quake were reported. The clouds over the China quake zone hours before their quake is on this video.

The point for writing this is to inform others of this anomalae ( and learn if you know anything else), to speculate on the use of technology prior to quake and typhoon events, or to speculate the need for chem trail meshes to control mindsand weather via this EM technology or to speculate that we are already being mind controlled via these methods. But mostly to debunk Haarp if possible.

I WANT YOU TO BE WISE ABOUT THIS USE YOUR INTUITION with both videos and their very similar video titles, obviously I believe one video was produced to debunk the other. The debunking video is Nasa footage. I am not sure if a solar flare can cause a quake in 10 minutes or in fact the sol video is for real. Please correct me on this...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=hzVamNQzfYA

I dont think you looked at your own thread just a few posts up where pictures where posted that showed WW2 planes leaving trails just like are left today ALL the way back in the 40's; not to mention the incredible increase in air traffic since then. There are several logical issues that have been brought forth which have been totally dismissed by you and not even addressed. You might want to try and look at the other side of the coin, there are logical answers to the concerns raised in the video if you would be open to them...

So you "sit patiently" waiting for a debate that will never happen... for the fact you clearly dont want a debate to happen as you never even deal with the information presented to you in rebuttal; instead you ignore it and pretend it is speculation and lean on videos in support of chemtrails that are so full of poor science and bad reporting that no one should ever take them seriously.

Really, do some reporting outside of these silly videos; they are so horribly done that they shouldnt be a cornerstone of your research...opinions are fine, but they do not make for good science, and that is what the chemtrail videos try to do; and fail.

What you need to do is "recognize" the science of contrails. You are not "familiar" with contrails, as you ignorantly spout that there are no more than a couple of contrails simultaneously visible before recent times. The photo of the B-17 bomber stream trailing hundreds of long lasting contrails seems to have just been beyond your comprehension, so you just blanked it out of your mind.

Keep spouting, Jet, you've got us on the ropes with your laser sharp, irrefutable arguments...

Hmmm,
Imagine that, 3 lines drawn together can in some circumstances resemble a letter N or Z depending on your perspective!

I too have seen these - also i have noticed agents of the NWO/illuminati/reptilian overlords creating sky signs in the form of the letters, X V M W I E T H F A K L and the Numbers 1, 11, 111, 1111 etc and (in roman numerals 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 etc).

Perhaps the fact that all these are straight lines could explain why they occur!

Your arguments have been repeatedly shot down by numerous people on this and other posts, you only have to look at your argument that there are no old pictures of contrails, In WW2 the American pilots detested the damn things because they guided german fighters right up their tails for gods sake.

Also as for contrails being non persistant, they are made of water vapour, in case you hadn't noticed so are clouds and they seem perfectly happy to persist for long periods! or are they merely large concentrations of chemtrail material in your own personal matrix?

Honestly Jet there's clutching at straws and there's clutching at straws when trying to flog a scare story such as this, your credibility has long ago vapourised just like a CONTRAIL.

Why would a flare aimed 100 million miles away from earth (and in the direction we're orbiting away from) have anything to do with an earthquake in china?

As for the pictures that many have brought forth as theyre "proof" to the contrary you have all seemed to skip one fact that concerns these WW2 photos. these were all PISTON powered regular engined Bombers none of these are or were JET aircraft. there are many reasons that these would produce more voluminous amounts of contrails mainly the fuel air mixture being burned for starters and the fuel type for seconds

also one would pay attention to the obvious difference in altitudes between the comparisons . is something being done aloft in the skies above our heads? one only needs to pay attention for a two week time span .while paying attention i would also ask that you pay attention to the weather fronts as the associate with the "spraying" there is a direct correlation between the two

there have been weather modification experiments being conducted in this and many other countries since the late 1950's cloud seeding is regularly practiced as well as hail abatement and drought reduction these are all real sciences practiced daily....who is to say there is NO experimentation in these areas on a larger scale?

easy to see the de-bunkers in this and the other threads the same few all the time funny how that works on the web

hmmm sorry? You're saying that piston engined aircraft produce more contrails than jets? And this is a well known fact, presumably. So, therefore, any jet making a contrail, must be them doing something vaguely sinister.


Do you have any evidence to back that up?

The type of engine makes little to no difference in regards to the process by which contrails are formed.

Both engines burn hydrocarbon fuel (80 - 100 Octane Avgas for WWII-era piston engines, Jet-A, Jet-B or JP-4 for most commercial jet aircraft, JP-8 for most US military jet aircraft) the byproduct of which - engine exhaust - contains carbon dioxide and water vapor. It is the condensation of the water vapor in the exhaust which creates the contrail.


As has been mentioned by several in this thread, IF chemicals were being sprayed in the atmosphere for some kind of nefarious reason (which one would assume to be harmful or detrimental in some fashion to the public) why would "they" (whomever "they" are) use a method that allows for virtually NO control over where the chemicals actually end up? Why would they do it as such altitudes where particulate matter or aerosolized chemicals can and would stay aloft for days at a time which, as has also been noted previously, due to exposure to higher levels of UV, would most likely degrade the chemicals to the point where they would no longer be useful for their aforementioned "nefarious" purposes?


And who's to say that these experiments, even if they were being done at a larger scale, would necessarily be a bad thing, or have some kind of "evil conspiracy" or plot behind them...?



Cz

Everything must.

Yes there is a correlation between the two. The conditions known to be conducive to formation of persistent contrails often preceeds weather fronts. This has been known for decades longer than those that think contrails always dissipate have been spouting their trash.

This is a good site showing evidence of persisting trails from times past. Note some would be piston and some would be from the jet era
http://contrailscience.com/persisting-and-...ding-contrails/

It has some quotes from newspapers in the 40's, 50's, and 70's as well

The News, Frederick, MD, March 7, 1944

“Contrails frequently have a tendency to cause a complete overcast and cause rain. In Idaho I have seen contrails formed in a perfectly clear sky and four hours later a complete overcast resulted“


One of the earliest reference to contrails covering the sky is from the Mansfield News Journal, August 11, 1957, Page 29:

“Within the past few years, the weather bureau has begun to report the trails as actual cloud layers when there are sufficient trails to cover a portion of the sky.”


the Arcadia Tribune, April 29, 1970:

Aircraft contrails begin to streak the normally bright Arizona sky at dawn. Through the day, as air traffic peaks, these contrails gradually merge into and almost solid interlaced sheet of cirrus cloud - an artificial cirrus cloud that is frequently as much as 500 meters deep.

i never said anything nefarious was happening? nor did i say they were spraying anything, just said to watch the skies above you and make your own decision...how much do you get payed to defend this? your very consistent frenat.
you see i never said anything was being done............just posed a few thoughts,it was you who decided that i was listening to someone or something? why is that? do you always assume peoples positions ?

and to the other chap i didnt say that anything WAS dangerous if this was a larger scale weather mod? all i said is that it could BE a larger scale weather mod.............which it COULD .......where does that say its "bad"? and 747 i didnt say anything sinister was happening did i? no i dont believe i did

wow what a fervor you all exhibit when attacking others post when it comes to certain things....you all have assumed much and taken many liberties with what i have posted not uncommon of paid de-bunkers or govt drones? perhaps some of you are in this category? or maybe not just a thought i had.

Any proof that I am "payed" (sic) to post? No? Then kindly keep your untruthful accuations to yourself. As I have said before, I post on this subject because of a love of aviation. The fact that some choose to believe in "chemtrails" when they are completely unsupported by fact bothers me as I and I'm sure many others do not like o see ignorance being spread about a subject they love. I and others have posted nothing but facts to correct ignorance. That you have take offense so easily is quite telling.

why i havent taken any offense at all?
again you assume .accusations? i stated clearly in my last lines that it was just a "thought" i had? you can be as arrogant ,and know it all, as you'd like. It really has no bearing on my life. See how fervorus ,and incensed ,you have become? I was simply stating a few things that i had thought ,or noticed, and you began with YOUR accusations, and assumptions! How about you try and keep them to YOURSELF for a change? I have read many of your post in this web forum, you seem to always play the same cards.

And im quite sure that you do work for the government .I have no doubt of this, you have stated so yourself right on this very webforum. anyone can find the post and see it for themselves. your love of aviation is directly tied to your job is it not? yes i thought so, quit expending so much angry energy, it isnt very becoming of you and it frankly seems to make one wonder why it is you are so ferverent in your counter attacks on posters to this forum

You definitely appear to have taken offense. That you think you have worked us into a fervor is part of it. I of course could be wrong and if so, I apologize. I am quite calm and finding your posts actually rather humorous. The "card" you are playing is the most humorous of all. The one where those that disagree with you must be paid to do so. Usually a last defense of the desperate.

Did I say I did not work for the government? No. But I am not paid by them to post here or anywhere else. Again, I post here on this subject simply because of a love of aviation. The only "angry" words I have typed (and hardly angry at all really, projection on your part maybe?) were against your insulting accusation that I must be paid to post here. An accusation you have made with absolutely no evidence. The rest has been calmly answering questions or posting factual information in an attempt (a fruitless attempt is seems) to fight ignorance.

Again, your posts are rather humorous. If that is your intent then keep it up.

disagree with me? i havent implored anyone to agree with me? not in the least bit.one can still be calm in a ferverent attack much like you have shown. Yet look how you cling to the thread like a hungry walleye talk about humorous. waiting for each post, to exude your prowess upon those whom you do not agree with.

Wow what an insulting accusation ....one would generally laugh this accusation off and move on.....why is it so "insulting to a man of your military stature? Yes we all know you work for the government frenat ,your an airforce man . that has been discussed here at this forum has it not?

Again ignorance? you have yet to demonstrate where it was that i was saying anything nefarious, or dangerous was occurring? all i said is that it COULD be related to larger scale weather modification experiments? And then i only said it "COULD" not that it was? so then my stating that is is possible that something is being done is ignorant? wow talk about the kettle calling the pot black.

your the one who is so humorous and i thank you for the great laugh

Aim High Buddy Aim High

Cling to the thread? How? I happen to be on the computer, get an email that there is a post and go to look at it. Amazing how technology works!

Why should you have to implore anyone to agree with you to have those that don't?

Yes, it is insulting to be accused of being paid to post something. It implies that what I am posting I do not have a great interest in already and further implies that what I am posting is not factual.

And again you bring up my job. I have not denied that I work for the Air Force so why are you making such a big deal out of it? What I do deny is that my employment with the Air Force has anything to do with my posting here. That you have mentioned it repeatedly seems to indicate that you think it does. Seems rather insecure of you.

Anyone that believes in "chemtrails" is in my opinion ignorant. Perhaps you could point out where I called you ignorant? Or that you believe in "chemtrails"? Or when I ever said you stated something nefarious or dangerous was occuring? Why should I demonstrate you said something when I never accused you of saying it in the first place? I will admit that my first post to you had some words that were slightly controversial but they were not directed towards you. It was a copy/paste from another post made on another forum intended to get the quotes from the website in there. I have now edited it to be closer to the original intent.

Hilarious

Yes, it is hilarious that you were arguing with me about things I never said. That is, if you're not going to answer these questions

I hope we're past that now.

Regarding your previous statements about weather control,

Yes, there is some weather modification (debates rage on about the efficiency of cloud seeding and the like, it doesn't always work but that is a topic for another time) and there "could" be weather modification on a larger scale going on but there is no evidence for it ocurring, especially on such a large scale. Also of note is that most of the trails people point to and say "chemtrail" are clearly coming from commercial traffic. These trails persist (the major reason "chemtrail" believers say they aren't normal contrails in opposition of over 70 years of science) in the very conditions (altitude, humidity, temperature, etc.) one would expect them to. They are backed up by the aforementioned 70+ years of science and study and are well understood. There is really no evidence that the trails we see in the sky are anything other than normal contrails.

If you don't mind me saying, you seem to be remarkably defensive for one who claims that don't have a conspiracy theory to promote.
Accusing people of being "ferverent" and angry and such like. "paid de-bunkers or govt drones"? That from someone who doesn't have a conspiracy to push?


I think it's you that seems remarkably ferverous, if you don't mind my saying.

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WOW great pics WD,did you just Google St Pauls+contrails?

The more voluminous contrails are a function of the number of aircraft involved in producing them. Dozens of them certainly , all in the same area at the same time.

Piston aircraft produce propeller tip contrails which are a phenomena produced by lowered pressure and temperature at the propeller tips, not by exhaust.
What you're seeing is a collection of these...(B-17 tip contrails)



As to whether they are more voluminous that jet exhaust contrails, this photo might propose a reasonable argument against that idea (747 exhaust contrails).