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Aanica
The widely respected Popular Mechanics Magazine stated that the hyped video evidence of a "real alien footage" is a photoshop fake of a fake....

here is the link to the article in Popular Mechanics Magazine.....Aanica innocent.gif


http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/ai...ce/4266921.html
Moonie2012
We've known it's a fake since day one - the real video hasn't popped up yet, but we've seen pics from it.
Aanica
QUOTE (Moonie2012 @ Jun 3 2008, 03:24 PM) *
We've known it's a fake since day one - the real video hasn't popped up yet, but we've seen pics from it.
I wish I knew everyhing like you... sleepy.gif
Moonie2012
QUOTE (Aanica @ Jun 3 2008, 07:53 PM) *
I wish I knew everyhing like you... sleepy.gif


Smart-*** comments aren't needed.

I've seen other people tell you it's a fake in other threads - why do you keep talking about it? WE KNOW it's a fake and have for some time now.
SkepticalEd
QUOTE (Moonie2012 @ Jun 3 2008, 05:24 PM) *
We've known it's a fake since day one - the real video hasn't popped up yet, but we've seen pics from it.

There is no REAL video! tongue.gif No one has any REAL video of alleged aliens. no.gif

Skeptical Ed
Moonie2012
QUOTE (SkepticalEd @ Jun 3 2008, 09:06 PM) *
There is no REAL video! tongue.gif No one has any REAL video of alleged aliens. no.gif

Skeptical Ed


Well, yeah - I mean - oh, you know what I mean.

I'm sure the "real" one will be just as bad.
Decepticon
QUOTE (SkepticalEd @ Jun 3 2008, 10:06 PM) *
There is no REAL video! tongue.gif No one has any REAL video of alleged aliens. no.gif

Skeptical Ed



Why do people tend to think they know the laws of the Universe and KNOW Everything.

People will make up there own mind.

Cards
What I didn't really understand is the fact that the article makes the claim that the video is a fake of a fake... but then never provides the original.

This is not to say that I think the Peckman video is real...
Aanica
QUOTE (Moonie2012 @ Jun 3 2008, 07:50 PM) *
Smart-*** comments aren't needed.

I've seen other people tell you it's a fake in other threads - why do you keep talking about it? WE KNOW it's a fake and have for some time now.
I can say anything I want nana na na na... all, you do is show up to say 'yep its fake' and when engaged you get mad...your pretty one sided if no one see's it your way its fake... wacko.gif

you never come with anything other than your famous last words "its fake" but why is it fake? why is everything "Fake" why ?
Aanica
QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jun 3 2008, 08:14 PM) *
Why do people tend to think they know the laws of the Universe and KNOW Everything.

People will make up there own mind.
Popular mechanics says it is a fake of a fake those were the word posted...... yes.gif
Eieam Wun
QUOTE (Aanica @ Jun 4 2008, 02:50 AM) *
I can say anything I want nana na na na... all, you do is show up to say 'yep its fake' and when engaged you get mad...your pretty one sided if no one see's it your way its fake... wacko.gif

you never come with anything other than your famous last words "its fake" but why is it fake? why is everything "Fake" why ?

LMAO...good one aanica laugh.gif
SoulFire
QUOTE (Aanica @ Jun 4 2008, 06:50 AM) *
I can say anything I want nana na na na... all, you do is show up to say 'yep its fake' and when engaged you get mad...your pretty one sided if no one see's it your way its fake... wacko.gif

you never come with anything other than your famous last words "its fake" but why is it fake? why is everything "Fake" why ?



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Moonie2012
QUOTE (Aanica @ Jun 4 2008, 01:50 AM) *
I can say anything I want nana na na na... all, you do is show up to say 'yep its fake' and when engaged you get mad...your pretty one sided if no one see's it your way its fake... wacko.gif

you never come with anything other than your famous last words "its fake" but why is it fake? why is everything "Fake" why ?


Your own article SAYS it's a fake (as in not the genuine video) - how hard is it to understand that it's not the ACTUAL video everyone is talking about and is still waiting to see? That's all I'm trying to say here. I think they're calling the original a fake due to past evidence against the guy - but who knows.

I have no solid opinion on the actual video, because WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET.

And YES, the current video IS A FAKE. The article explains who, how, and why it was made, or did you skip that part? hmm.gif

It's an ADMITTED, DOCUMENTED FAKE. Nana na na na, Care to put your foot in your mouth yet again? sleepy.gif
SirRedeye
its fake tongue.gif
supervike
The fake one from Popular Mechanics looks WAAAAY better than the 'real' one.

Moonie2012
QUOTE (supervike @ Jun 4 2008, 01:57 PM) *
The fake one from Popular Mechanics looks WAAAAY better than the 'real' one.


Do you have a link?
Aanica
QUOTE (Moonie2012 @ Jun 4 2008, 08:51 AM) *
Your own article SAYS it's a fake (as in not the genuine video) - how hard is it to understand that it's not the ACTUAL video everyone is talking about and is still waiting to see? That's all I'm trying to say here. I think they're calling the original a fake due to past evidence against the guy - but who knows.

I have no solid opinion on the actual video, because WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET.

And YES, the current video IS A FAKE. The article explains who, how, and why it was made, or did you skip that part? hmm.gif

It's an ADMITTED, DOCUMENTED FAKE. Nana na na na, Care to put your foot in your mouth yet again? sleepy.gif
yea as a mattrer of fact you were the first response to say you knew along (sound familar) I never said it was fake or real just a simple post of Popular Mechanics article...about your other foot, I am sure its used to fitting along side of the current one... tongue.gif
Aanica
QUOTE (Moonie2012 @ Jun 4 2008, 02:00 PM) *
Do you have a link?
link is supplied as usual with any thing I post... rolleyes.gif
SkepticalEd
QUOTE (Aanica @ Jun 4 2008, 02:50 AM) *
I can say anything I want nana na na na... all, you do is show up to say 'yep its fake' and when engaged you get mad...your pretty one sided if no one see's it your way its fake... wacko.gif

you never come with anything other than your famous last words "its fake" but why is it fake? why is everything "Fake" why ?

It's sooo easy to declare the video as a fake for the following reasons:
1) The videocam is obviously on a tripod or on a solid surface and it's shooting at a window. Why?
2) No one has a vidcam aimed at a window unless they're waiting for something to show. Did they have advance notice of a visitation?
3) If an "alien" is seen by the occupants, no one will have a vidcam ready, they would all be yelling, screaming, confused at what they thought they saw and how many saw it, they'd have to go get the vidcam, connect the battery and activate the vidcam and aim it at the window ending with a jittery video that may not necessarily be in focus. By the time this is all done, the alleged "alien" will have returned to his flying saucer.
4) A few other reasons.

Skeptical Ed


FireMoon
I think the camera was there because the family had been pestered by , what they assumed was kids trying to be funny. So a couple of cameras were set up pointing in the general direction of where the disturbances had been coming from to see if they could catch the perpetrators, inflagrante, as it were.
supervike
QUOTE (Moonie2012 @ Jun 4 2008, 02:00 PM) *
Do you have a link?



Just judging from the pics on the Popular Mechanics link:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/ai...ce/4266921.html
theSOURCE
10000 holes in Balckburn Lancashire.

Or should that be 10000 post over a lame fake video?

Eh, same thing. Boo ya! tongue.gif

FireMoon
Either this guy is an absolute wizard at PR, or, something about the video has piqued the interest of the Media enough to make them interested.

Unlike the Alien autopsy video, where they never allowed the film to be examined and even a first year path student would have spotted the *tailor's grip* being totally wrong for holding the scissors, the guy has at least allowed the original print to be investigated by someone with an expert eye and opinion.

It might be and this a huge MIGHT, that someone has noticed some artefact, due to the infra red nature of the film, that leads some to think this might be genuine.

Personally, i think this video, won't amount to that much, in the long run. However, this i would caution people about. If there is ever some *genuine beyond reproof* video ever taken. It won't look like some multi million dollar epic. I think people have wholly too great an expectation of the sort of quality the proof might come in.
theSOURCE
QUOTE (FireMoon @ Jun 4 2008, 07:12 PM) *
Either this guy is an absolute wizard at PR, or, something about the video has piqued the interest of the Media enough to make them interested.

Unlike the Alien autopsy video, where they never allowed the film to be examined and even a first year path student would have spotted the *tailor's grip* being totally wrong for holding the scissors, the guy has at least allowed the original print to be investigated by someone with an expert eye and opinion.

It might be and this a huge MIGHT, that someone has noticed some artefact, due to the infra red nature of the film, that leads some to think this might be genuine.

Personally, i think this video, won't amount to that much, in the long run. However, this i would caution people about. If there is ever some *genuine beyond reproof* video ever taken. It won't look like some multi million dollar epic. I think people have wholly too great an expectation of the sort of quality the proof might come in.


Just one question, FireMoon. How can a video of a supposed alien's head bobbing up and down be proof of ET visitation?

It's not like he/she/it's flashing an ID card giving it's DNA structure.

Come to think of it, even that wouldn't mean anything.



And yes, I noticed the word MIGHT.
FireMoon
I agree there TheSource...I can't quite see why this video has garnered so much interest. Given how, on the surface, rubbish it looks there has to be something deeper about the whole incident that has not been made public yet... Sheesh at least i hope there is... grin2.gif
theSOURCE
QUOTE (FireMoon @ Jun 4 2008, 08:11 PM) *
I agree there TheSource...I can't quite see why this video has garnered so much interest. Given how, on the surface, rubbish it looks there has to be something deeper about the whole incident that has not been made public yet... Sheesh at least i hope there is... grin2.gif


Sadly, I still think this is the media's way of ridiculing the UFO phenomenon.

"Hey, look folks! This is video of a real alien!" Chortle chortle.

I really hate when they do that.

Aanica
QUOTE (SkepticalEd @ Jun 4 2008, 06:15 PM) *
It's sooo easy to declare the video as a fake for the following reasons:
1) The videocam is obviously on a tripod or on a solid surface and it's shooting at a window. Why?
2) No one has a vidcam aimed at a window unless they're waiting for something to show. Did they have advance notice of a visitation?
3) If an "alien" is seen by the occupants, no one will have a vidcam ready, they would all be yelling, screaming, confused at what they thought they saw and how many saw it, they'd have to go get the vidcam, connect the battery and activate the vidcam and aim it at the window ending with a jittery video that may not necessarily be in focus. By the time this is all done, the alleged "alien" will have returned to his flying saucer.
4) A few other reasons.

Skeptical Ed
This orginal post was just for reading about what popular mechanics had to say since it is a respected magazine they were talking about how this fake video was a fake of a fake Ithink they mean the orginal and all the others that have surfaced thought it was a cool compairson! thats how it started out I love seeing how things get going and everyones view ,I love this forum!! thumbsup.gif yes.gif
The Silver Thong
QUOTE (theSOURCE @ Jun 4 2008, 08:30 PM) *
Sadly, I still think this is the media's way of ridiculing the UFO phenomenon.

"Hey, look folks! This is video of a real alien!" Chortle chortle.

I really hate when they do that.


I couldn't agree more.... This kind of grandstanding does hurt the reputation of many credible ufo studies. It's almost like when a study comes out about cold fission or a cure for cancer but amounts to nothing. The public I believe has been mislead so many times that anything like this and the for mentioned just becomes backstage news. Anything that could be a truly outstanding find (not meaning E.T. phone home) seems to get it's 30 seconds of fame and then fades away to the point skeptics can pick a thousand false claims, and then justifies why this is ridiculous, meaning this so called vid. unsure.gif
fatrobot
i think its a real article and a real fake alien suit and they probably used a real copy of photoshop
Moonie2012
QUOTE (Aanica @ Jun 4 2008, 06:18 PM) *
link is supplied as usual with any thing I post... rolleyes.gif


Not that fake you keep pushing, I mean the ACTUAL vid. Why would I ask him for a link to the article and fake video I already read and saw? rolleyes.gif

EDIT: Nevermind, I found it - or at least one that looks more like it. This one looks like a fake compared to the pic in the article too. The head never lines up with the reflection in the window like in the picture in the article. The reflection looks all wrong too - bu that's assuming the picture in the article of the "real" video is actual from the real video.

THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h_ZR5F0PFg...feature=related

Probably just another fake. It looks very CGI.



Aanica, I think we have a misunderstanding here - I thought you were trying to say this next (very fake) video is NOT a fake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSTcgn6IaZo...feature=related

Is that what you were trying to say, or were you just commenting on the fact that the article says the real one is a fake as well?
morrison1976
QUOTE
It's sooo easy to declare the video as a fake for the following reasons:
1) The videocam is obviously on a tripod or on a solid surface and it's shooting at a window. Why?
2) No one has a vidcam aimed at a window unless they're waiting for something to show. Did they have advance notice of a visitation?
3) If an "alien" is seen by the occupants, no one will have a vidcam ready, they would all be yelling, screaming, confused at what they thought they saw and how many saw it, they'd have to go get the vidcam, connect the battery and activate the vidcam and aim it at the window ending with a jittery video that may not necessarily be in focus. By the time this is all done, the alleged "alien" will have returned to his flying saucer.
4) A few other reasons.

Skeptical Ed


You should read the whole story about the case, then you will know why he said he was filming the window. Chances are, its fake. I hate the fact that they will not show it, and we have to wait for the documentery. That just sounds like a scam to me. I saw the fake footage, and was quite impressed with it, and i have heard that the real footage does not look half as good, but we will have to wait and see. Im sure that many people, and tv channels will pay them loads of money to view this, so i guess thats why they are not releasing it yet. Because if they did, and people started to find holes, then people might lose interest.




Aanica
QUOTE (Moonie2012 @ Jun 5 2008, 08:51 AM) *
Not that fake you keep pushing, I mean the ACTUAL vid. Why would I ask him for a link to the article and fake video I already read and saw? rolleyes.gif

EDIT: Nevermind, I found it - or at least one that looks more like it. This one looks like a fake compared to the pic in the article too. The head never lines up with the reflection in the window like in the picture in the article. The reflection looks all wrong too - bu that's assuming the picture in the article of the "real" video is actual from the real video.

THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h_ZR5F0PFg...feature=related

Probably just another fake. It looks very CGI.



Aanica, I think we have a misunderstanding here - I thought you were trying to say this next (very fake) video is NOT a fake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSTcgn6IaZo...feature=related

Is that what you were trying to say, or were you just commenting on the fact that the article says the real one is a fake as well?
Maybe we did, I never thought the video was real I thought it was cool that even popular mechanics was putting it in an atricle as a fake of a fake .They have not released it as far as I know... cool.gif
Aanica
QUOTE (fatrobot @ Jun 5 2008, 08:00 AM) *
i think its a real article and a real fake alien suit and they probably used a real copy of photoshop
LMAO...I think your real...cool.. laugh.gif
ufoscan
If you wish to debate which fake looks more real or fake than the fake we haven't seen (but that may have been leaked... or not), you now have ample choice...

Go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iyUi_amu38

And watch the pretend-leaked video. Then look at your right in the "related videos" box and choose from any number of wanabees, lookalikes, spoofs and better-than-the-original videos - including one where "two girls capture the alien in the window" !!! rolleyes.gif (so the caption says...)
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