Do we know as much as a bear in a giant parkland that they are not in the boundaries of another country? Are we the same? Could this account for UFO battles in the sky in Nuremberg in the 1500s and other battle in the sky in other places around the world? We just might be in the middle of an alien landgrab or war. This may even been a really small scale battle in the aliens eyes to suggest the earth may be a minority.

It's not a Land Grab, It is good vs evil, and Good always wins, Halaluja!

We are a Part of an alien Family which is Pure conscienciousness, Or Spirit. There are Good and Bad spirits, Hence the war in Heaven, This war has now come to Earth, But Good does prevail, Or has prevailed , no matter what it may look like on the surface. This is Fathers will, and prophesy.

Love Omnaka

Good does not always prevail Omnaka ,this is not a mystical magical fairy tale it is real life stop giving him hope always be prepared for the worst.


I think that "UFOs" are monitoring us for there own welfare why they havent annhilated us already i dont know but chances are they have something in store for us assuming UFO's are real of course, Dont get me wrong I personally believe in Aliens but ill be 100% sure when they land on this amazing planet.\

This might not relate at all but In my (PERSONAL) opinion i do not think aliens are just going to come down from space and greet us all and tell us to be peacefull and blah blah blah..Especially not in the year 2012. The day that they come from space is when they see us as a threat...


Thats all folks have a good one

I'm going to have to give you a big WTF? on this nonsense.

There is an infinate amount of worlds and Galaxies to choose to incarnate your eternal spirit on. Like will atract like, so if you enjoy hating and ripping off One can go to that kind of world after this one comes to a close. If you enjoy peace and love, this will present itself to you as well.

There is a world and Body for everyone respective of what they want, or relative to their belief.

The alien bros are all kinds.

Yes Good does prevail, and already has, you just don't know it yet, which is understandable.

Love Omnaka

Omnaka that is assuming that ufos are real right...

just because there aliens doesnt mean they arent hostile have you ever spoken to an alien? No what makes you think that trime travelling aliens dont see you as an inferior race? Im athiest so on that spirit subject i dont want to go there...
also what makes you think aliens are your brothers you have never met one i doubt there lovey dovey

P.s. Didnt mean to take the offensive its just in my character when i have strong opinions

Has anyone watched FastWalkers yet? I just seen it and there are some pretty amazing things being talked about.

If they wanted to they already would have.

hmm, this post made me think... were one side of aliens that are controlling us started Christianity to suggest that they were the good side and the other side were evil.

Lol a star wars fan i see

I think we are located in some kind of interstellar neutral zone. We might be located in an interstellar hot seat. Hundreds of different kinds of alien visiting Earth might explain that.

that and/or the possibility of shape changing aliens

...huh!!

No, we aren't part of some alien empire. If we were don't you think they would have "claimed" their land by now? What use would an alien empire have to allow humans to advance technologically?

Our position on an outer spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy is akin to being in Podunk Iowa.....
(no offense Iowans, I once atteneded ISU in Ames.....)

For those who don't know where that is...thats the point....

Hello everyone,

I am new to this site. I have always believed "they" have had some influence in mans developement, and who knows how many more civilizations they have manipulated. Are they "good" or "bad"? who knows that may not be a concept to them or perhaps they are the angels talked about in the bible.

Any additions or rebuttle to this?

best regards,
seax

i agree that good prevails. but to some you would have to first define prevail. . even if evil does engulf this entire planet - it only has a desperate hold of a physical time/place. the infinite good extends forever beyond that. this place is getting trashed, evil can have it if it wants and fight each other over a wasteland. im sure evolution (the future thereof) has taught life that it has to not kill each other to survive.

No, I guess you are wrong.

You might think that more advanced civilizations are located near the center of the galaxy, but the truth is that the closer you go to the center of the galaxy the denser the radiation. We are located in a goldilock zone. I read that most life-sustaining star systems would be located at the outer arms of this galaxy.

We are part of " God" empire aka an alien empire

i hope we find an alien empire
and then eat them

Most likely to me is that they haven't genetically manipulated us but may have prevented cosmic disasters beyond our ability to address in our formative history though. Believe their policy to be non-interference from a evolutionary perspective. Evolution is a universal phenomenon and direct engineering (i.e. interference) of it always results in non-optimal outcomes and imposes a liabilty and responsibility to the interferer as well. Ultimately we have to stand on our own and make our way off of our this rock to make the jump. Maybe we'll make it, maybe not. Good or bad? We don't know enough to say what has been observed are actual evolutionary beings or engineered beings for that matter. Hard to believe they are bad though, the evidence supports otherwise. If they were bad they likely wouldn't have survived/evolved either. What goes around comes around. Angels? Hope they aren't the fallen angels that had children with human women cause if they are, they have genetically manipulated us in the past and resullted in the Flood to exterminate (well, not for all time because the Bible says they were here then, AND also later). Personally, don't believe it but is at the core of why contact can't be made any time in the near future. Most likely a tragic coincidence that the Bible does tell a story that fits extremely well with attempted pollution of humanity by Satan's fallen angels to prevent Jesus from ever being Messiah - son of man, son of God. Daniel states in end times prophecy that "the last ruling kingdom of metal will mix with the seed of humans" - paraphrase. The analogy used in the Bible is mixing miry clay and some metal (can't recall, maybe was iron). Miry clay is potter's dust. The metal is the last ruling kingdom. Man is made from dust as per the Bible. This won't hold and will fall and result in the end times. Certainly, in Jesus's time this was the understanding (fallen angels mating with humans) because the NT Bible says that women should cover their heads to show subjugation to their husbands AND because of the angels. Jesus says that the end times will be "like the days of Noah". Hmmm. What was happening in Noah's time? Like I said, think it's a tragic coincidence but others....won't (and don't).

If we are , no one bothered to tell me.

I dont think they (aliens) are comming to wish us a welcome to the universe either best to be prepaired as you state...Aanica..

Hello evolyoushun,

Thanks for the response. I agree with you it is highly possible they have influenced us in ways we aren't aware of. Who knows how many times they have intervened in matters or possible disasters. It is my belief that they have a variable in the equation of man, and I feel the bible tells us-- but the way it was written and the way we interpret it does not make it clear. After all, angel means "messenger". I don't believe the bible describes an angel anywhere as far as appearance. The angels that went to sodom in the bible looked like man. Also, you mentioned the fallen angels. Have you ever heard the theory that the battle fought in heaven was on a planet that was between Mars and Jupiter. According to what I read it created the asteroid belt. I'm not saying I believe it ,but I did read it. The reasoning behind the aliens in this theory is that they are the fallen angels and they are trying to influence man through the governments. Makes sense, but is it true?

best regards,
seax

In the bible, there was a passage that said something about harvest. We are like a harvest, the bad ones will be burnt and the good ones taken. Perhaps there is one powerful alien race. Maybe they are cultivating us and want to see us bear this fruit. Perhaps our journey as a human being is just the beginning, middle or end of some long process to be entered into something.

On the other hand, maybe we are a product of several years of intelligence (human) experimenting on how to control people. They can use implications and propaganda through the media and common views to push our ideas to a certain direction. All of a sudden the history channel and other channel are talking about these things?

If you imagine a race of aliens so successful as to have technology that use very advanced, you'd have to imagine their beginnings. Perhaps they came about on some planet with or without struggle. The only way they could be so successful is if they worked together with their own species to advance themselves to a certain point. Good and evil are both concepts. If you define what is evil you come up with things that are bad IN OUR VIEW. Killing in general is bad because in the past there weren't that many of us around and it was detrimental to our survival. Today, we relate to other people and we definitely don't want to be killed ourselves. We feel this sympathy/empathy. The long list of evils are just physical acts that harm us and our thought process. Some harm people through thoughts. Telling someone they can't make it or any other insult. Evil, to us, is whatever harms productivity as a community. Many others interpret it in other ways. So perhaps, it depends solely on the agenda.

Perhaps it isn't the concept of evil. Perhaps it is the concept of which alien sees potential in us and will help us keep our good thoughts and productivity so that we may advance and join their group. Perhaps if an alien is doing evil to us, it may mean that us being successful would be harmful to them in some way. So this war fought in our backyard is done with all sorts of things from thoughts to disease and our saviors are right there for us.

...I don't know about that? Let's assume alien bit aside what supposedly has taken place here on earth. Spirituality I can understand but the concept of god, living in small communes that eventually become civilizations over thousands of years I can understand but in a few hundred and in several indepently different locations all within 5000 years of each other. Switching topics the UFO phenomena and the supposed abduction phenomena, to me it isn't either "its either this or its either that", its a combination of things albeit IMHO all connected, in other words a game. I say game, not so if there is a alien presence they see it as such , but because technically that is what it would be called. I seriously doubt this will 1 day all pan out and well go, " oh, that's what this was all about" . Nah if there be an alien presence chances are their game will continue on and the vast majority of us well never know and most likely won't even be around.

"On the other hand, maybe we are a product of several years of intelligence (human) experimenting on how to control people. They can use implications and propaganda through the media and common views to push our ideas to a certain direction. All of a sudden the history channel and other channel are talking about these things? "


Hello Pyschicstuff,

Interesting you mentioned that, I read an article a few months ago about the Russians trying to manipulate world leaders by some kind of aparatus that throws out some kind of waves that effects the thought process. I'm sorry I can't be more specific, but it has been a few months. In fact, the article said when Ronald Reagan went to Russia on one occasion he got sick, and some have blamed it on the experimentation the Russians were using. It would be feasable that the brain could be effected by some kind of "brain wave", after all a scientist in Canada has proven sleep paralysis can be induced by electromagnetic waves.

Maybe the aliens are beaming down "crazy" on us from space. Wouldn't that be something?

best regards,
seax

As matter of fact, I have spoken to my brother Corneioious, who is the father, of the grays, His last incarnation on this world was as Noah from the flood.
He is indeed a great loving brother.

it is understandable if you don't believe me, but your unbelief can't change my experience, or the truth that we are apart of an infinate family including but not limited to The brother's called Alien.

Love Omnaka

Our scientists have already told us that if we leave this planet we can attain immortality by moving from one system to another and if we never leave and only stay here we will eventually be burned up along with this planet by its sun.

...one thing is factual Omnaka, your experience, that is true it is undeniable, though what can be debated is whether such said experience actually occurred in the reality we all collective experience...and I think I'll leave it at that

Hello seax: Yea, I've heard the theory but don't put much stock in it. They are talking about it on the "Summerian Culture and Annunaki" post over on "Ancient Mysteries.." forum here on UM. About the fallen angels, a few years back I went through a pretty intensive study of what the bible meant with fallen angels beacuse it scared the hell out of me. To me it was pretty clear what the Bible says about this as well as the ramifications of what it said. For the first time, things that had never made sense to me in the Bible made perfect sense and for once the Bible told a coherent story. Also, I wasn't looking for this story at all. I was sick and thought this might be my last read so I started at the beginning and read throughout - took about two years while checking translations vs. Strongs Exhastive Concordance (absolutely required). E.g. why was a flood neccessary, people had always been spiritually corrupt before and this could change in their hearts - to wipe out the polluted genetics. What was Satan's purpose of polluting mankinds genetics with his fallen angels? The perfect man could never be born (i.e. Jesus). Why was Noah chosen? He was "perfect in his generation". The Hebrew word for perfect is the same as that used to select a proper goat/sheep for sacrifice and represents physical perfection. Noah was't a preacher of rightousness as stated in the NT, the first thing he did when the ark landed was to get drunk and naked - he and his family were just not genetically corrupted yet. Why did God command that in specific instances that all be killed - men, women, children, and animals. To wipe out remaining pockets of genetic pollution - even the animals were being genetically corrupted. Why the many tirades on partaking of "unnatural flesh"? Uh, angels and humans, not homosexuality as has been understood today and amplified in the NT. You brought up Soddom & Gommorah, the humans wanted to have sex with the Angels that were visiting Lot - bad idea as evidenced by God's reaction. It's been about 8 years since I looked at this so I'm sure I'm leaving out much of the more compelling evidence. Then pick up with the end times prophecy in Daniel and the NT writers that were reading Enoch and add another level of extrapolation that intertwines and amplifies this story and you've got what we've got today. To me, I had to either somehow find a way to disprove this or just accept it and the obvious consequences. First, the fallen angels come from ancient Summerian myths that were heard by the Israelites and the ancient Egyptians and woven into their foundational myths. Read the link below if you are interested:

http://www.truthbeknown.com/anunnaki.htm

Next an expert academic on foundational myths shedded insight. After listening to Joseph Campbell's tapes for several hours (it's like a college course & he was a college professor) it becomes much easier to understand how these foundational myths came about and how they can mutate. Hate to be a buzz killer on cool theories but my sense is that the ancients worshipped the Sun and stars. These myths got extrapolated and amplified and mixed with actual observations (of actual ET contact) and left us with a myriad of theories taken to be based on truth that mostly say the ET's are bad. Certainly, the fallen angels in the Bible come from the Summerian myths (i.e. Annunaki) that were heard by the ancient Hebrews, subtly modified, and incorporated into the Bible. These Summerian myths also influenced Egyptian religion which is another illuminating month of research pertinent to this subject. But whether it's the Bible's or Zachariah Sitchkins' (sp? - see anunnaki) spins on the Summerian myths or others I have heard, the story is generally the same and that is the ET's are not our friends. That they are trying to influence us or our governments for some diabolical purpose. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are not, and never were any fallen angels, at least in my opinion. This all comes from the Sumerian "anunnaki" myths. Best fit to the evidence, to me, is that they are our friends but can't make contact because of our belief in unfortunate mythologies that make this contact impossible without tragedy. As far as how to justify this postion to the bible I guess I quote Hillel: When Hillel was asked by a non-Jew to relate all the Torah had to say while standing on one foot, Hillel replied, "Do not unto your neighbor what you would not have him do until you; this is the whole Law; the rest is commentary." If Hillel was correct, I seriously doubt that anyone would want to be precieved and treated like he was in league with Satan by his neighbor. Seems that God got the message across but man messed up some of the commentary. Peace.....

good reply evolyushun,

like you say these myths get out, they sound good, but there is always another story. You mentioned Noah, have you ever heard of the theory a NASA scientist has concerning the flood? I can't remember his name, but his theory makes a lot sense. Will be glad to get you the info if you want it.

best regards,
seax

evolyoushun

Great post but I have some questions. Do you think that the bible tells of a battle between different alien groups? Would you say the aliens that mated with us were hostile or were they just hostile with another alien group.

Hello psychicstuff,

Really to be honest, I don't know. When I was a little boy in sunday school I heard about Lucifer rebelling against god and 1 third of the angels in heaven sided with him, and there was a war in heaven. It immediately hit me that angels are suppose to be immortal, when you have a war people die or there would be no need for the war, so how could angels die how could there be a war?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it describes anywhere in the bible what an angel looks like. I do know the angels that went to Sodom looked like a man. And it also says that God created man and he said "let _us- create man in _our_image. So that is plural, meaning someone else was in Gods image. We will assume they were angels. After the war in heaven, Lucifer and his angels were cast out. I think this group that was cast out are in some way trying to influence us today. The bible is not real clear on this, just bits and pieces here and there. You know Lucifer has several different names , I can't name them all but one name means "he that darts here and there quickly" It may be belzebub, don't quote me, I'm not sure. that sounds like a craft jumping space and time.

I don't know anywhere it suggest alien life forms had war. It does say that some of the angels saw that the daughters of man were fair and mated with them. I am paraphrazing, I can't remember exactly. But a lot was left out, maybe Lucifer has allies. Maybe, there were other forms of life under gods kingdom , or if Lucifer was the next powerful to God maybe he made his own creation (demons). It is an intiqueing subject, that can only be speculated on. I do feel the aliens have something to do with the story, if they are good or bad is only a guess. You heard my story now what is yours?

best regards,
seax

Angels are the messengers and most physically present of the spiritual beings in the eternal world of the Elohiym. The word used in the Old Testament is Malak, pronounced mal-awk' and means to dispatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically, of God. They serve the Elohiym, though obviously not in absolute perfection, as conveyors of thought and action. They are not gods. They are protectors of the Elohiym and mankind. They are not described as having wings, halos, harps, or having the appearance of the orthodox portrayal as commonly seen in paintings and other representations. Angels can appear in flying vehicles or on terra firma and are often in some form of brilliant uniform. There are at least 2 ranks of angels with the archangels being superior in rank. Satan was, of course, an angel, apparently of very high rank though in earlier times he attempted to take over the throne of the Elohiym. Angels appear almost 200 times in the Bible so the entries in this section deal with those references that relate to appearances in the sky, vehicles, and close encounters.

The concept that man was made "a little lower than the angels" as stated in Psalms 8:4 is based on a mistranslation. The word angel is taken from the same word as Elohiym. Therefore, this is properly rendered " a little lower than the Gods". This is repeated in Hebrews 2:5 and in this case, 'angels' is properly translated. However, a statement that shows the angels were not given the high level of responsibility bestowed upon man prefaces this. This puts the ranking of angels in limbo until the true nature of man is clearly stated by Yhovah in Psalms 82: 6, I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Jesus quotes himself in emphasizing this fact in John 10:34, Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" In Luke 20: 36 he speaks on the nature of man after his spiritual change, " Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection." 1 Corinthians 6:3 Paul states, " Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?" It seems that the angels rank at least equal to man but are not the children of God and will be judged by men after a spiritual change. This, of course, is up to the opinion of the reader. An interesting perspective on this can be found in Hebrews, chapters 1 and 2.

http://www.bibleufo.com/angel.htm

Thanks for the post nickoli,

It was interesting, you know a lot of movies you see portray angels to be jealous of man. I wonder where the script writers get this protrayal from? I have never heard of anything in the scriptures that jealousy exist. I realize Holly Wood is Holly Wood and movies are entertainment but it is odd that they portray it this way. Just a thought, maybe you know something I don't.

best regards,
seax

There is also mention of God casting the devil further into hell. It seems that God is much stronger than the devil and that this thing called sin was involved. We were once perfect or without sin. The devil then tempted us with the tree of knowledge. Perhaps this tree was a building that held vast amounts of knowledge. Perhaps this knowledge can be "downloaded" into your brain by consumption. Maybe this knowledge was a collection from a library of the concepts of good and evil and their applications. Perhaps this affected Adam and Eve immediately on all levels including genetically. Then maybe God, who loved us very much, decided to give us all a second chance (To avoid being erased?) to fight this imperfection and resist the devil. Maybe Lucifer did all of that to buy himself more time to amass some sort of coup. However, God has the power of future sight which it doesn't seem that Lucifer possessed. There was mention that God had stripped Lucifer of certain powers or glories and shot him (cast, hurl?) to be locked in chains somewhere possibly relating to Earth. So he stays and tempts us (manipulation?) to sin (cultivate destructive thoughts that are known to be imperfect?) and our second chance at salvation is to live a long-suffered life (A life we were living more fully during Eve and was natural to us?) following these thoughts that God maybe wants us to have. If our lives have ended or the rapture occurs and we have chosen our spiritual/mind paths, we will be accepted and made anew, discarding our old selves (corrupted parts) and adding the center or soul to a new medium. We will be "washed" or something like that.

Anyway, that's just my imagination.

You would have to do a search, but I think a story of angels complaining over the creation of man was handed down in Judaism and in Islam.

Thanks for the info Bella-Angelique I will look it up.


Psychicstuff,

You mentioned the rapture, you know I heard an argument a few weeks ago that the rapture was not in the bible. That it was an idea of a preacher in the 1800's midwest US, I'm sorry I can't remember his name but I will look it up. what do you think and if it is not in the bible is this where you get your belief? I don't know, I always believed of the rapture, but now I'm not so sure. One of the arguments was it says in the bible that they will be working in the fields and one will vanish and one will stay behind, I'm paraphrazing, but you get my point.

What do you think?

seax

If there is no rapture and we were given a second chance, it must mean that God is giving us a chance as a civilization to become benevolent and productive super civilizations that can probably do things like control whole solar systems. If we kept this destructive sin mindset, we'd end up nuking each other out. If we somehow made it out to colonize our own solar system, we'd nuke the other planet and probably mess up the sun in order to indirectly attack another planet. We would be destructive to ourselves and the universe if we kept this violent nature of ours. Terrorism, greed and all that.

The thing I'm thinking about is the video games that we make. It seems like 90% of all video games are about something hitting or shooting something else. We enjoy this and it must have something to do with survival or power. What if we did not shoot at the other guy. What if the other guy worked with us to solve problems and make innovations? What if it was like that for 10, 20, 30 years? How advanced would we be? There are people who find it fun to be in a helicopter miles away from the target and launch hellfire missiles and have it hit its target with deadly accuracy.
They don't have to be there to see parts of the person's remains splattered everywhere. They don't have to relate to him and his family through the cold steel of the helicopter. This makes it fun for some pilots. The feeling of having awesome skill, seeing this explosion, having power over your enemies.. If this is what we will take with us if we make it to space travel.. That, IMO, will spell massive destruction. I do hope that we can wipe these destructive natures from our gene pool. Maybe have some kind of revelation.

I don't know what agendas are moving around planet earth but something odd is up. Seax, about my belief in the bible. I'd have to say that I don't do much research into its origin or where it came from. Evolushyun said something about the bible getting some stories from the ancient Sumerians. I don't know about this and would like to verify it. If it were true I'd want to research or guess about the relationship the Hebrews had with the Sumerians. I'd also want to understand everything about the cultures of the two. I want to gather a good picture about how these two people did things and how they might have dreamed and imagined things. Then compare this assumption I made to their original stories and see if the more fantastic stuff may or may not have been influenced by how they might interpret things.
I want to know how the stories like Adam and Eve (if made up) relates to their own cultures and ideology. Then I'd make a guess at the accuracy of the story.

Anyway, this is just entertainment for me and I am take it serious only very slightly. Maybe the truth is something too complex to even speculate about and that the best we can do isn't even close. The people who actually have found and tested these things (Shadow U.S government) sound like a very intelligent and very sinister organization who are interested in their own interests. Hopefully, if all this is real, the advanced outer-space civilizations can help us sort this out.

Unfortunateley I think we will always be a war like race. We seem to need enemies to function as a society.