Do you believe the BS that these yahoos at the California restaurant tried to pull on Jason and Grant last night?! It was, indeed, nothing but a fun house! All the gadgetry that they had installed to fool people into believing the place was haunted was just unreal! Did they really think they were going to fool TAPS? Give me a break! And the guy's excuse for not telling them -- "I simply forgot"! Yeah, right! That knucklehead made the statement that these things had been there for years! And all of a sudden he just now forgets?! If I had been Jason or Grant, I would've punched the daylights out of the guy! I can only imagine what was said off-camera! Hopefully they sued them for expenses!

Most kindly,

Sean

Personally I am glad they showed this episode, I wish they would show more episodes on what could happen during an investigation. Personally the first minute i suspected i was being tricked somehow, i would have packed up and left.

I was hopeing Jay would smack that smile off his face at the revealing.

Well I probably also would have been mad at the TAPS family and there many reports of activity in the restraunt. Makes me wonder if TAPS family members are easily fooled.

Makes you wonder doesn't it. But it was nice to see them debunk for a change instead of the normal its haunted cause we got a EVP.

Oh well, atleast we know they're not easily scared or that thier stupid. Snaps for intelligence and integrity. My sister saw this one, I didn't...I hope it comes on demand....stupid work, earning stupid money.

Try youtube. It will be there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xe3UB-otNo Heres a clip of it.

That guy is probably going to be the embarrassment of the town. Whoops there goes his credibility right out the window.

Funny, his last few words on the episode, he was still trying to validate the claims of it being haunted.

LOL. But he was right people will still go there looking for ghosts. You can sell anything to anybody with a good story.

Go figure, the only episode I've ever missed and it was a good one. >_<

I would have loved to have seen it. That guy must have been either really dumb, or really confident in his "ghosts".

He was confidentely dumb

I wonder what would have happened if Paranormal State would have investigated it instead.

"Strange demonic activity. . ."

No one here has mentioned this,but the restaurant they checked out ,could it have been the Moss Beach Distillery
out in Calfornia by any chance? Seems to me i recall seeing the place on tv,and they had it rigged up with a bunch of stuff
to scare people. The first time I heard of the place, it was on Unsolved Mysteries,the tv show with the late robert Stack as host. At that time some lady owned or managed it, and there were no devices to scare the customers for a laugh.
Apparently the place has new owners. I forgot what show I saw the place on. And they even admitted they tried to liven up the atmosphere of the place.
Sooo happy TAPs caught them.That kind of stuff can give paranormal investigators a bad name.Fortunately Jason and Grant have been around a long time,and even in their book on Ghost hunting,they mention a couple who rigged stuff upto make the place seem to be haunted,but TAPS caught on quick.

If I were Jason and Grant, I would have tried to trick him by saying “We caught some unexplained lamp swinging activity, and laughing noises from the bathroom…” If he went along with it, and tried to play it off like he didn’t know, I’d sue him for the all the expenses… even the gas money it took to drive there.

The Moss Beach Distillery is in my Haunted Houses of California book. Oh well, it has lost all credibility.

Good episode, though. I still can’t believe Grant fell and twisted his ankle because of this hoaxer, and he was still let off the hook.

the laugh in the bathroom was soooo friggen sad,it sounded just like one of the laugh bags when you pick it up it giggles,,they lookd at each other and new instantly,,,i thought it was funny they fixed the ghost face behind the mirror for them,

i would have let the guy know how pissed i was about wasting my time,all the guy could do was kinda smile and laugh about it,,,what a ***.....and yea i would def. hand him a fuel bill ,,or they should have cut every wire and hydrolic line to the fun house equipment and then said ,,well we had to cercumvent certain appliences to do a honest investigation and still we didnt find anything.

I was surprised that Jason and Grant didn't rip him a new one on camera. That guy was so arrogant with his laughter. He really wasted Tap's time by pulling that stunt with them. I can tell that Jason and Grant were pissed and I really felt bad for them.

here's a thought - maybe TAPS and the restaurant planted those there -------

one would gain business - and The Taps show which hasn't been fairing well ( still popular but starting to slide ) has mixed it up a bit.

maybe that's also why they didn't rip him or walk out.

The owner should have said : Yes, but there are spirits and ghosts operating those gadgets and wires.

Thats something to think about Ripley.

I felt bad for them also. I really feel bad for Grant when he fell and messed his ankle up.

Move this to the conspiracy forums...
Maybe they were FORCED to do the show by the puppet masters at Sci-Fi! I'll investigate if there are any Sci-Fi links to the Bush-Clinton crime family...

I'm glad they aired this show.
At the reveal I wanted to jump into the TV and slap that smirk right off that guys face.
At the end that loser says that people are still going to come to the restaurant. I don't think so. Why should they? People only went there because they heard it was haunted.
This little prank just might cost them their business. Boo hoo.

On a lighter note, you just can't beat the antics of that great comedy team Steve and Dave.
I thought it was so funny when Steve scared Dave in that cafeteria at Moss Beach.
I always think that stuff is funny. (when it's not done to me)

Beat me to it!

Grant almost snapped his ankle, he should've sued that dude right there at the end. That would of been something.

But people will still go there Livinona. It doesn't matter if Taps outted them. People will buy into anything. Look at the conspiracy threads.

Like here?

actually yes they can be FORCED too if they are under contract which logically they would be. Do it or get sued for the remainder of the contract.Breach of contract . not much of conspiracy , just good logical thinking , you may want to give it a spin.

who know's they may want to go back to working for Roto Rooter .

My sarcasm was aimed at:

Which implies they were in cahoots, and which is pure conjecture. Besides, as has been already explained, those devices had been there for years and it was not a big secret. In theory, if anything, TAPS should have known they were there, making this an exercise in debunking.
As well as:

which is more conjecture. I have yet to find any data that shows GH ratings doing anything other than seasonal fluctuations.
And this too:

Maybe they WERE under contract to investigate, and that's why they were there, so that's what they did. Maybe they didn't walk out or "rip him" because they try to be as professional as possible, in order to cast a positive light on the whole paranormal investigative community.

What irks me I guess is that as soon as someone is successful, they start getting trashed. Why all this speculation that TAPS or the networks are faking, lying, etc? Skepticism is good, but sheesh...unless you have some inside info, you just pretty much made up this stuff, right?

I also saw a show many years ago about the distillery. They admitted they had installed these fake ghostly appliances, but still said they had actual haunting occurrences. So, like eq said, I doubt that the Taps planted anything that had already been planted years before the show was ever developed.

If there is anything TAPS should be ripped for is why didn't they see this show? It played regularly on the Travel Station (if I remember correctly). And they are supposed to be up on all this stuff.

I dunno....There have been some other threads doubting the veracity of TAPS' claims. And they have seemingly been caught 'fudging' things as well. I don't know what to make of it myself, but the evidence is pretty compelling.

To me, it is a well scripted episode that 'proves' they are first and foremost debunkers...or at least that is the way they script writers want us to believe. That is purely conjecture on my part.

I really have looked at those videos, and I agree some of them have caught things TAPS missed, or offered alternative explanations, BUT I don't see ANY evidence that they are intentionally lying or falsifying evidence, or that Pilgrim or Sci Fi is either.

Now, IF indeed Pilgrim knew about the fake stuff at Moss Beach and did not tell TAPS, but told the "Client" that TAPS knew all about it...that would PISS me off. And, it MAY have been miscommunication, but it may also have been some intentional misleading.

I just can't help but laugh sometimes. It's like people are LOOKING for a conspiracy, a way to prove TAPS is fake. The evidence is as compelling as the "Alien shape-shifting reptoids" conspiracy.

Don't believe personally that TAPS faked that stuff last night. The evidence suggests otherwise. Though, I do find this topic interesting and would be eager to see what others think.

The statements that TAPS is losing ratings doesn't seem to jive with what I know, however. Are there any statistical arguments to back this up? Last I heard they were hitting all-time highs in their viewers.

Well, seeing that thier up agianst Paranormal staet and Most Haunted, I can only see thier ratings go up. I mean come on. What compitition do they have?

Ive been to moss beach distilery everyone knows they rigged everything so that "unexplainable" things happen. They did it for business.

You know what's good about UM....people can actually have an "episode discussion" here without some moderator deleting and locking and acting like little gods.
Yep, I'm talking about the TAPS forum. What is the point of their so-called "episode discussion" if people can't discuss.
I haven't used their forum for some time but occasionally I'll go there and look around and I'll be damned if they didn't lock another one.
But...they'll allow people to take up two thirds of a page with their pictures..over and over and over again.

I've been a huge GH fan for a long time and will be for a long time.
So this is nothing about the TAPS team.
It's just about the moderators on the forum. Aren't the members getting a little tired of them slapping their hands every time they have a comment that isn't to the almighty mods liking?
Or.....are the moderators getting their instructions from somebody higher up? Hmm.....

Sorry I posted off the subject.

I just had to vent.

in late 2007 and early 2008 TAPS was hot. all new equipment , vans ( gone the roto rooter van) , new sponsers. they were so hot that sci fi launched the International Ghost Hunters.

Still a big draw , But in the last few months it's started to drop off.

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade 3.0
Mystery of the Crystal Skulls 2.2
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom 1.9
Raiders of the Lost Ark 1.7
Battlestar Galactica 1.2
ECW 1.1
Ghost Hunters 1.0
Doctor Who 0.9
Timeline 0.8
Merline part two 0.8
Source: Nielsen Galaxy Report, 5/12/08 to 5/18/08

compared too



Ghost Hunters 1.4 (LOST SOULS)
Eureka 1.2
Stargate Atlantis 1.2
ECW 1.1
Species: Awakening 1.1
Doctor Who 1.0
Alone in the Dark 0.9
Flash Gordon 0.7
10.5 part two 0.7
War of the Worlds 0.7
Source: Nielsen Galaxy Report, 9/24/07 -- 9/30/07

and
ECW 1.3
Ghost Hunters 1.1
Hallowed Ground 1.0
The Stand, part four 1.0
From Dusk 'Til Dawn 3 0.9
The Stand, part three 0.8
Children of the Corn 0.8
Showdown at Area 51 0.8
Clive Barker's Plague 0.8
Cabin Fever 0.8
Source: Nielsen Galaxy Report, 12/17/07 -- 12/23/07

or

Ghost Hunters International 1.5
Resident Evil Apocalypse 1.3
ECW 1.2
Resident Evil 1.1
Painkiller Jane 1.1
Ghost Hunters 1.1
Stargate Atlantis 1.1
Bloodrayne 1.0
Wicked Little Things 0.9
Queen of the Damned 0.8
Source: Nielsen Galaxy Report, 1/14/08 -- 1/20/08

woohoo lol the Moss Beach Distillery wrote about the TAPS show.

A VISIT DOES NOT AN INVESTIGATION MAKE

Comments on the Moss Beach Distillery “investigation” by GHOST HUNTERS,
which aired June 4, 2008.

Loyd Auerbach
June 4, 2008

I just got finished watching tonight’s episode of GHOST HUNTERS on SciFi Channel. The second half of the episode was their “investigation” of the Moss Beach Distillery, and her long-time apparition, most often referred to the Blue Lady.

The episode did a great disservice to the restaurant, but more importantly, to the hundreds of people over the years who have experienced something paranormal/psychic at the Distillery since the early 1930s.

Keep that in mind – phenomena has been reported since the early 1930s, through multiple owners, including some who lived on property, and through a complete teardown and rebuild in the late 1990s (for seismic retrofit).

No disrespect to Jason, Grant, Steve and Kris, but “investigation” includes MUCH more than merely going to the place, checking it out, setting up tech, and reviewing the “evidence” caught (or not caught) by the tech............

...........

1) Much has been written about the Moss Beach Distillery in books, magazines, newspapers and on the web. Many articles since the late 1990s mention the special effects.
2) Dozens and dozens of TV shows and segments have featured stories on the Moss Beach Distillery and its resident ghost, the Blue Lady. I have been the person/investigator most associated with the restaurant, with psychic Annette Martin a close second (and often featured in segments with me). Many of these repeat endlessly on A&E, the Travel Channel, Biography, the History Channel, etc.
3) Several segments have mentioned the effects, and there’s been one that prominently featured the effects and my discussion of them. This show recently reran yet again.....
........
7) The week before the TAPS team visited the Distillery, I got a call from a producer identifying himself as with the show. He was asking for names/contacts for witnesses for the Presidio Officer’s Club in San Francisco, which he’d learned I’d investigated. Before we got off the phone, I asked him where else they were going in the Bay Area. He mentioned the Distillery. I offered to provide him with any info about the place and folks experiences there, and specifically mentioned my book. He indicated they had what they needed. I asked him if they were aware of the special effects. HE SAID THEY WERE AWARE OF THE EFFECTS!!!

http://www.mossbeachdistillery.com/loydaue...ersepisode.html

hhhhhhmmmmm

If TAPS is so professional this should have been checked in to, or maybe it was and it was all for show. Jason seems like a bad a$$ and if something was deliberately hoaxed I think he would have acted a little different. I am not starting another faking post but I think its possible it may be been for ratings.

So, really not much of achange, and as far as May goes...I made bold the reasons why. I won't even try to look up which of these ratings represent GH re-runs going against new shows. I don't see a drop.

Now, THAT makes me wonder who is yanking who's chain! I'd be pissed at someone if indeed, they neglected to pass along important info like that, and this was a "staged" debunking.

He is right about this; re run as apposed to new episodes are 2 different things. Like me I watch every new episode Wednesday but none of the reruns before or after.

No TAPS had nothing to do with the planted equipment.In fact,The Moss Beach Distillery has been on tv twice.
The first time was back in the 1980s or early 90s,on the show Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack,long before TAPS got any tv show.At that time,the restaurant was run by a woman.There were NO ELECTRICAL OR OTHER DEVICES THERE
to simulate ghostly hauntings. They just told the story of the place,and the staff related some experiences.
Then some time in 2000 or later, AGAIN BEFORE TAPS EVER WENT THERE, the Moss Beach Distillery was again on tv.
It was a show about haunted places. Only this time, the place was owned by a man,and while they mentioned the Blue Lady,they also pulled some of their special effects and admitted as much.
So TAPS was never invovled with what this guy has been pulling.
Yes,the guys could have gone all psychodrama,but maybe they didn't go off on him because either Jason or Grant would have punched him,so they kept their cool,and maybe were told by the production people to do so.
It reflects badly really on the owner I think rather than TAPS. This is the sort of garbage that makes it difficult for paranormal investigations to gain credibility in the scientific world.

Is it possible that SCI-FI production crew didn't tell Jason and Grant about the special effects,maybe. My sister works in television as does her boyfriend up in NY,soI'll maybe ask them about that and if they watched the show,and if so,what do they think from a professional standpoint.

well to be honest if they didnt know about the special effects they did act like professionals wile doing the reveal.jasson rolled his eyes and kind of made a "what a jerkoff face " to the manager but they were not rude even when telling the guy ,look we found your crap wasted most of our time looking for more fun house effects and still did regular research just to make sure nothing was here,,it would have helped to let us in on the tricks so we could ignore them....
my point being even tho it was ****ty on the resturamts part,,jason and grant couldnt have raised all kind of hell without loosing face as profesionals,,they said what the felt when they were alone but showed their client respect and restraint weither he deserved it or not.

You are so spot on here S8! Paranormal State would have made all kinds of crazy claims that the place was haunted by evil demons so forth and so on! The lead investigator probably would have gone through his elaborate dance of saying he knows the demon's name ... but cannot divulge it out of fear of retribution! This group is an absolute joke! How they even stay on the air simply amazes me! It's nearly impossible to get science involved in the paranormal with these types of groups. Throw in Most Haunted here as well.

Most kindly,

Sean

Good Sunday morning Ripley.



If this is true, I have to wonder if TAPS was aware of just how elaborate the staging was? I also have to wonder if this was not simply a deliberate attempt by TAPS too out these knuckleheads -- to show what they have to deal with on a regular basis? This would have been the perfect opportunity to do so. Beyond that, long before the Distillery changed hands -- and all the elaborate gadgetry was installed -- there had, indeed, been numerous reports of hauntings there ... particularly of the Blue Lady. If I'm not mistaken, these go back many decades. So, it seems, the new owners wanted to build upon an already well-established tradition of paranormal activity -- activities that TAPS felt warranted to investigate. I certainly hope this is the case. I think I shall e-mail them and find out -- see what they have to say.

Most kindly,

Sean

Now I am seeing an assortment of claims by an assortment of people on both sides of the coin. I just find it hard to imagine TAPS went there and had no idea what was up. I find it hard to swallow that one guy says he spoke to a "Pilgrim" person, yet Jason of TAPS never heard a word. I also am dumbfounded that the "client" (in this case the Chef) never mentioned this stuff in the pre-interview.

Too interesting, and all too curious.

The smirking guy is just the head chef who's been working there for a few years. I don't know that he is the one making any claims or if he even wanted TAPS called in or wanted to talk to them. For all I know, his boss made him do it. He might have been smirking the whole time because he thought the whole thing was dumb. Maybe he was passively sabotaging the shoot by failing to mention the gimmicks. Then he could look on and laugh up his sleeve while TAPS discovered all this obvious flummery.

Who knows?

I agree that it's very odd that everyone at TAPS would be unaware of certain things about the place. It's one of the most famous "haunted" locations around. Aren't they professionals?

That episode made me so mad. Those people at the distillery should be ashamed of themselves for using the GH team just to get more publicity. Did they think Jason & Grant wouldnt try & debunk those claims by doing everything in their power to disprove things? How dare that place do that? It's like making a joke out of this field, as if we dont deal with enough criticism. When they did that reveal & that guy was sitting there laughing & smirking made me wanna punch him through the tv. What a bunch of tools!

I don't believe that guy from Moss Beach Dist. did get a call from TAPS producers because:

1. You'd think he'd give the name of the person he apparently spoke with to save his business's reputation, but he never mentioned someone's actaul name.

2. When the Exec Chef was talking to the business owners 'before' TAPS even got there, you would think it would have been discussed between the two of them about the contraptions and speakers etc, they would have HAD to have talked about what the Chef was to tell the TAPS team. The boss apparently never told the Chef that TAPS were supossed to have known about the speakers etc because if he had, then during the reveal the Chef would have said 'he thought they knew about it' and NOT just given the lame excuse of 'slipped my mind'!!!

The Distillery got caught out faking the hauntings to try and get more business, and are now trying to make Taps look like the bad ones, plain and simple!!

In that letter the owner posted on the Distillery site... I like how he says that Taps never do thorough investigations and that they do a crap job..... If he thought they were so crap to begin with, then why get them in to investigate his distillery!!!

Will have to read the letter on the distrillery site,the jerks!!!