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Orion von Koch
Virtual Reality is the tip of the Holographic Paradigm Theory. This is a point-of-departure for the discussion.

Virtual Reality Will Establish
The New Metaphysics of Being

Hidden deeply in the current research and development surrounding the disciplines of Virtual Reality, there lurks a potentially new understanding of immortality and Divine Providence. Virtual Reality, which means the experiencing of an implied state of alternate being in a tacit environment of sensual stimuli that contributes to an illusionary or augmented reality for the one who experiences such, is about to blow the lid off of current philosophical and religious understanding. VR will literally shake the groundwork of all philosophies of reality and establish a new vortex of universal understanding in the mind of future humanity. We will soon see the roots and constructions of life, spirit, and matter through this new lens on tomorrow.

Virtual Reality is a human endeavor to participate in a computer-created world via computerized sensors such as viewing goggles, gloves or a total sensor-suit. Those who travel in this newly created world can experience a perceptual stimulus that approaches the visual and tactile expressions of reality. The Department of Defense and NASA have plans to converge robotics with VR to allow a cybernaut to travel, work, and fight in hostile environs while controlled by a human at a remote site. With such capabilities, we would be able to explore the universe from our own living rooms. Imagine putting on a head-mounted display and body-sensor suit that would correspond to sensors in a robot that might be millions of miles away -- say on Mars. You could actually become part of a cyber-being that would interact with the Martian environment. You would be able to experience all the wonders of such a far away place in a direct sensory manner.

No discovery or invention of man can hold a candle to the blue-white laser blast that is about to flash across the horizon of humanity's existence in this manifest state of earthly being. The automobile, television, space travel-- you name it, nothing means more to us than the idea that is hidden in the physics and metaphysics of Virtual Reality. This idea will serve as a point of departure to new dimensions of amplified being. The idea is the understanding of the meaning of Logos or Reason. If we are careful in this first step on the threshold of the absolute, we will begin to decipher the codes that will send us into the occupation of universe building.

How can this be? The last time mankind came so close to the gods; they gave the tower of Babylon its namesake with many languages to confuse the feebleminded being, which would dare to learn the meaning of life. This time, if we are cautious, we may finally join the lesser gods in springing into a whole new dimension of understanding. Virtual Reality, along with the understandings of Fractal Geometry, Nanotechnology, Holography, Laser-tech, and other leading-edge, computer driven technologies, will show us the way to how Deity and Its powerful energy or spirit can broadcast itself into the virtual reality that we all are experiencing at present...the universe.

According to Michael Heim, who wrote the 1993 version of The Metaphysics of Virtual Reality, there are seven divergent directions that VR research is moving through. They are: Simulation, Interaction (augmented reality), Artificiality, Immersion, Telepresence, Full-body Immersion, and Networked Communications. These seven directions will someday reconvene offering humanity the tools to recreate itself. Marry the newly advocated theory of a Holographic Universe touted by David Bohm, Karl Pribram and Michael Talbot, then charge its mathematics with Benoit Mandelbrot's Fractal Geometry (which can emulate all known visual universes) and we are on our way to seeing the deeper aspects of existence.

Virtual reality will soon allow us to become anyone, anything, anywhere, anyhow, any who-beings when we flip the switch and step into a high resolution, 3-dimensional visual-sound, pheromone aided environment. There, our real sensory systems will suffer a paradigm shift into a world augmented by heads-up displays of hypertext, cyberspace/form, and amplified knowledge available in a mirror-world context, at speeds that will seem like reality is blending into super-reality. We will be able to learn everything we learned in high school in a few short sessions. If Marshall McLuhan thought that television rendered high school obsolete, then VR will render education meaningless. All knowledge will be gestalt and inherent.

Total access will be at our behest. You will be able to live through any animal; dive to the depths of your own blood stream; repair your own body from within, live in deep space in a robot body that will become your home or work away from home, and when the robot sleeps you repair and feed (energize) it and yourself. You may even share in your robots dreams. You will be able to visit virtual worlds within virtual worlds and might even lose yourself and die in a virtual world before realizing that you really are alive in your own living room. Of course, you may really be dead.

Can you see what I am showing you? Who is to say whether or not our lives are really virtual realities for a higher form or ourselves? Localization is suspect. Where do you truly exist? The ancient Essenes said that you exist as spirit or animator occupying a form. You are eternal the form is an experience. Modern day religions say the same thing. Is religion really technology that we think is magical but its really VR in true syntax. Sumerian texts say that the gods came to earth to work the gold mines and became tired. They made a lesser man (via genetic engineering?) and dismembered (divided) a god to use his breath or spirit to drive the beings they made. Many ancient religions such as the Aztecs, Egyptians and others speak of the many faceted god that occupies all of us in our clay-based bodies.

What we are learning today about evolving Physics (another word for Godhood) in Quantum areas, shows us that locating the being on one level is extremely difficult at another level. Flesh and blood or "meat" as William Gibson referred to our bodies in his book Neuromancer, is matter that is glued together by a matrix of being driven by the irradiating force of a peculiar light. This thinking, vibrant mind-form seems to be on board a body but is extremely elusive when brain studies are conducted. What animates our brains and remembers, acts exactly like a holographic entity because it does not necessarily lose its memory even when 90% of the brain is inactive or cut away. A hologram that is fragmented can reconstitute the original when light is passed through the part. The part knows the whole. The holographic-like brain seems to act as an interface to reality--a lens of complex sensory capability that allows a spirit to manipulate the toys of a dimensional virtual reality via waves and interference waves of information animated in feedback loops.

Now do you see the power that virtual reality and holography will have to totally transform our civilization? Recently, I explained this to one of my students who is a preacher and is working toward his higher degree. I am a very spiritual man that can see the changing face of Deity; he is a religious man that may not be able to see the changing of a God that is continuously becoming. What will virtual reality do to our beliefs, our professions, our culture, and our lives? Suffice to say it will be like kicking in the after-burners to our psyches. We are in for the trip of our lives. Hang on!

jaylemurph
Are you aware there is a Metaphysics forum here that's far appropriate for both the threads you've started?

--Jaylemurph
Orion von Koch
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Jun 5 2008, 03:37 PM) *
Are you aware there is a Metaphysics forum here that's far appropriate for both the threads you've started?

--Jaylemurph


Yes I am aware of the entire structure of this site. I once was the Webmaster of a site of some 200,000 primary pages. It is indeed an expansive and exciting website for learning. As I am a former educator, I am setting up some information that will lead back to the Ancient Mysteries slot. Thanks for your help though.


Orion
cladking
I'm a pragmatist. From this viewpoint VR is nearly trivial as it relates to the causes of what man is and is becoming. By the same token however, it is likely to be very important in most or all individuals' lives in the long run so it is or can become critical to all people.

There are so many things more important and we are on the verge of the most important; machine intelligence. This will simply overwhelm the impact of virtual reality. Since it will be concurrent with it they will affect each others development.

The next hundred years will be a time of the most profound change on the species since we swung down out of the trees. It will also be a time of extreme danger and opportunity. We might finally win control of our enviroment but lose our humanity.

What will we each do when human thought and most human labor becomes obsolete?
Orion von Koch
QUOTE (cladking @ Jun 7 2008, 11:19 AM) *
I'm a pragmatist. From this viewpoint VR is nearly trivial as it relates to the causes of what man is and is becoming. By the same token however, it is likely to be very important in most or all individuals' lives in the long run so it is or can become critical to all people.

There are so many things more important and we are on the verge of the most important; machine intelligence. This will simply overwhelm the impact of virtual reality. Since it will be concurrent with it they will affect each others development.

The next hundred years will be a time of the most profound change on the species since we swung down out of the trees. It will also be a time of extreme danger and opportunity. We might finally win control of our enviroment but lose our humanity.

What will we each do when human thought and most human labor becomes obsolete?


Indeed, with me I am already obsolete as I have retired and just sit in my backyard watching the birds and the trees wave in time with my old heart. Life is strange. I have done much in my life in an explosion of creativity I have painted thousands of works, consulted for governors on marketing, written columns on education, philosophy and politics and many other things. Now all is silent except for observation of the human mentality held here at this site. I seek some answers and find few who hold my desire for knowledge and wisdom.
:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR:
QUOTE (Orion von Koch @ Jun 9 2008, 10:07 AM) *
Indeed, with me I am already obsolete as I have retired and just sit in my backyard watching the birds and the trees wave in time with my old heart. Life is strange. I have done much in my life in an explosion of creativity I have painted thousands of works, consulted for governors on marketing, written columns on education, philosophy and politics and many other things. Now all is silent except for observation of the human mentality held here at this site. I seek some answers and find few who hold my desire for knowledge and wisdom.


Very poetic. You should write down your memoirs, if you haven't done so already.
Orion von Koch
QUOTE (:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR: @ Jun 9 2008, 09:17 AM) *
Very poetic. You should write down your memoirs, if you haven't done so already.


Indeed I have written thousands of pages of my reflections upon this process of existence. I will be writing more in the next few years, but at present I am preparing for an Art Show and need to create about 30 to 40 new works. I have a show at my old university. I am writing a book called A SECRET CLOSELY HELD — THE MOIRE ARENA.
Orion von Koch
Humans -- all of us, when not intellectually controlled by a psycho-political force, have yearned to understand what the experience of existence truly is about. Those of us who are deep thinkers have gone to great lengths and even put our own lives up for collateral in order to find the answers to what our purpose is here in Time/Space. Many of us have this feeling that somewhere in our distant past lurks the thread to our knowledge of the re-beginning or the constancy of Soulular Travel – the act of riding the light.

History speaks of this ancient tragedy -- where Humanity went through some gargantuan trials and tribulations while on this planet seeking the grand why. Something happened to geologically position our kind on distant shores with distinct memories of a more glorious period in erased history. The Sanskrit Vedas of India report such a distant catastrophe, as do almost every tribal tradition of mankind. The wise men or priesthood of every culture or religion of man speaks of a way of life that is filled with the Mystery Teachings of human existence. There have been savants who seemed to know what being here is/was all about. It is almost as if they knew through some unknown source of wisdom that there is a purpose and a means of traveling life as a special being…the Soul who traverses the expression of Time/space.

All the ancient greats, from Socrates to Newton seemed blessed with knowledge. Some were very special. An Example: his fellow believers called this man God and Son of God. He was extremely deep and introspective and studied the dictates of divinity from his youth on into his manhood. He left his family to go into the unknown parts of the earth to learn from wise men the decrees of the old laws of existence. He was also said to be under the influence of Divine inspiration.

He studied the secret traditions of Moses the lawgiver of Israel and later instructed his disciples in all manner of religious understanding. After wandering about to try to find the knowledge of Divine wisdom he sought to establish his ministry upon earth. He gathered around him a small community of sincere and dedicated believers and instructed them in his fashion of godly insight. Unfortunately he was regarded askance by the members of the area's residences.

Because he was outspoken and dedicated to his religion and studies, he suffered personal enmity. Later he came under attack from the authorities of the local area and viscous propaganda was perpetrated against him. Without warning these people descended upon the little group of buildings in his compound and burned it to the ground. All were killed at Crotona, a Doian colony in southern Italy in 590 BC. Thus, the great works of Pythagoras were destroyed. His knowledge included the ancient secrets of the Jews, Essenes, Hindus, Chaldeans, Babylonians, Greeks, Brahmins, and the Vedic Traditions. He has been called the first philosopher and tradition says that he coined the term philosopher -- one who is attempting to find Wisdom through Love.

The Western World and the Americas were built upon the foundations of the great religions of the past. It was built by those who were attempting to find the secrets of human existence as our scientists do today. Yet, all great and small persons who tried to wax eloquent in the state of Divinity have had their problems with the local government/s or secular power structures. The great Pythagoras was crucified and burned; Hypatia's body was dismembered; Jocques de Molay, consumed in flames; Savonarola, burned in the square of Florence; Galileo, forced to submit on bent knees; again, and again persons who sought to enlighten the world, have met their deaths and had their works destroyed.

Even now, Buddha, Christ and all the other more modern religious icons have their revered lives and teachings daily reinforced in our collective minds across the globe. Is humanity awakening to the pathway? What is the source of all this deep thinking that says that humanity is indeed something very special? From where does the root of all our hopes flourish forth into fruit? Does it start or end with the flooding of the earth or the fluke of an Ice Age that never was? It has been said that the source of the knowledge of who and what we are lies inside of our very being. Could the key to our beginnings be found in the fact that we are conscious of our very existence? Does the fact that we think and are able to reason give us the clue to the why we are here? All the ancient practitioners of wisdom indicate that we must know ourselves to know the secret doctrines of the root of mankind. We turn upon ourselves, the entity, and ask, "what am I?"

Logic and reason coupled to the Scientific Process has driven many men to view life in secular tones…a method that seems to put blinders on beings who cannot ask the ultimate or base questions of "Why" and what is existence. The root source questions have always been left out of the equations…that seem to address parts of a whole that few want to deliver proper credence or ultimate points-of-departure. What is gravity? What is light? Why?

The ancient Gnostic beliefs that drove the knowledge base of Judeo-Christian Traditions must have filtered from the Chaldeans, the Egyptians, the Vedics and other distant intellectual cultural forces that reach into our distant sources. Perhaps the traditions from (dare I say?) Atlantis have slipped through to us. The peep-hole to our past is nothing more than a poke-hole in an ancient trash pile of bits and pieces of debris from minds that must have been larger than the intellects of today. We cannot see the grand forested plan for the trees of secular pop-culture and materialistic science.

Other sources of the ancient traditions may hide in and near China or Japan. It seems that somewhere back in those very ancient cultures that reflect such high sophistication and mental power at the roots of their mystic past, something should point to the root of Soulular Travel. When one looks at the accomplishments of that distant world, yet realizes how catastrophe must have destroyed any threads to weave their way to us today, a positive find could amplify our thoughts. But where do we look?

jaylemurph
I have no idea what this... third-tier lashing of bilious prose and dubious philosophy is supposed to be, but it's as far from a serious discussion of history as can be. Judging from this and his other threads, Orion here wants to set up a blog for his preaching.

Where do we look for our past? It depends on what we want to find. I'm guessing Orion here can skip legitimate history all together and wind up somewhere in the part of the bookstore that sells books on Mu.

--Jaylemurph
Герой Советского Союза
I think the answers, or more appropriately information towards your points rest upon Archaeology and Writings. Perhaps over time when new finds and sites are uncovered they will shed more light on the views and thought of the Ancients. Unfortunately it has to be said that many things from our past may be irrevertably lost to time.
Orion von Koch
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Jun 9 2008, 10:50 AM) *
I have no idea what this... third-tier lashing of bilious prose and dubious philosophy is supposed to be, but it's as far from a serious discussion of history as can be. Judging from this and his other threads, Orion here wants to set up a blog for his preaching.

Where do we look for our past? It depends on what we want to find. I'm guessing Orion here can skip legitimate history all together and wind up somewhere in the part of the bookstore that sells books on Mu.

--Jaylemurph


I am a former teacher, preaching comes naturally out of my head. Take it for what it is worth and stop putting everyone down for a little attempt at discussion.
Orion von Koch
QUOTE (Геро
@ Jun 9 2008, 10:57 AM) *
I think the answers, or more appropriately information towards your points rest upon Archaeology and Writings. Perhaps over time when new finds and sites are uncovered they will shed more light on the views and thought of the Ancients. Unfortunately it has to be said that many things from our past may be irrevertably lost to time.


Sadly you are right.
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Jun 9 2008, 03:50 PM) *
I have no idea what this... third-tier lashing of bilious prose and dubious philosophy is supposed to be, but it's as far from a serious discussion of history as can be. Judging from this and his other threads, Orion here wants to set up a blog for his preaching.

Where do we look for our past? It depends on what we want to find. I'm guessing Orion here can skip legitimate history all together and wind up somewhere in the part of the bookstore that sells books on Mu.

--Jaylemurph



I have to concur.
jaylemurph
QUOTE (Orion von Koch @ Jun 9 2008, 01:50 PM) *
I am a former teacher, preaching comes naturally out of my head. Take it for what it is worth and stop putting everyone down for a little attempt at discussion.


But you're not fostering much discussion, you're ranting on at length (often with incorrect facts), which is precisely why this sort of thing would be much more appropriate in a blog than a forum.

Where do we look for our past? As I said, it depends on what you want to know: You seem bent on confounding history and metaphysics. But they're two completely discrete subjects; you can't fault those studies or their actual practitioners because they don't tell you what you want hear. In that, you remind me of many, many people on UM who turn up their nose at history.

--Jaylemurph
Orion von Koch
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Jun 9 2008, 01:07 PM) *
But you're not fostering much discussion, you're ranting on at length (often with incorrect facts), which is precisely why this sort of thing would be much more appropriate in a blog than a forum.

Where do we look for our past? As I said, it depends on what you want to know: You seem bent on confounding history and metaphysics. But they're two completely discrete subjects; you can't fault those studies or their actual practitioners because they don't tell you what you want hear. In that, you remind me of many, many people on UM who turn up their nose at history.

--Jaylemurph


I know who you are, I had someone like you in my philosophy class. Hang in there...It may become clearer as time goes on.
cladking
I suspect all sentient beings have such thoughts. They may be dimly remembered times from the womb or egg or they might be the result of the way the brain is wired. Few can say it so eloquently but this is just the wonder you can see in another's eyes.

Unfortunately life is really a dirty and basal sort of thing. Enlightenment isn't so much rising above this as it is the practical application of knowledge and intelligence to function in the real world and inb the very real culture in which we find ourselves. Enlightenment is getting to the light as it turns green.

Life is kindda like sex; if it ain't dirty you might be doing it wrong.
jaylemurph
QUOTE (Orion von Koch @ Jun 9 2008, 02:16 PM) *
I know who you are, I had someone like you in my philosophy class. Hang in there...It may become clearer as time goes on.


Philosophy? Really? I'd've thought then you'd know better than to go around telling people that Pythagoras was crucified and burnt, or that America was built on the foundations of the great religions of the past.

--Jaylemurph
Dr. D
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Jun 9 2008, 08:18 PM) *
Philosophy? Really? I'd've thought then you'd know better than to go around telling people that Pythagoras was crucified and burnt, or that America was built on the foundations of the great religions of the past.

--Jaylemurph


The Pythagoras statement struck me as odd too, Jay. As far as I know, the form of his death remains unknown but perhaps Orion believes that he died in the villages that were burned in the revolt . . . who knows?
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Jun 9 2008, 01:07 PM) *
But you're not fostering much discussion, you're ranting on at length (often with incorrect facts), which is precisely why this sort of thing would be much more appropriate in a blog than a forum.

Where do we look for our past? As I said, it depends on what you want to know: You seem bent on confounding history and metaphysics. But they're two completely discrete subjects; you can't fault those studies or their actual practitioners because they don't tell you what you want hear. In that, you remind me of many, many people on UM who turn up their nose at history.

--Jaylemurph

Exactly. This is similar to all his posting. A blog is a perfect place for this.
Orion von Koch
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Jun 9 2008, 03:11 PM) *
Exactly. This is similar to all his posting. A blog is a perfect place for this.


After looking at your reputations, I guess I had best just give up. But NO.
jaylemurph
QUOTE (Expatriate @ Jun 9 2008, 03:56 PM) *
The Pythagoras statement struck me as odd too, Jay. As far as I know, the form of his death remains unknown but perhaps Orion believes that he died in the villages that were burned in the revolt . . . who knows?


Actually, there's substantial historic evidence that pre-Hellenic Greeks, as the people of Croton/Metapontum were, did not use crucifixion as a form of execution*. Furthermore, I'm not aware of any historic document that refers to Pythagoras' death in that fashion. That seems to be the remit of websites extolling the less practical parts of his unique philosophy,


*Journal articles here and here confirm.

--Jaylemurph
Orion von Koch
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Jun 9 2008, 03:59 PM) *
Actually, there's substantial historic evidence that pre-Hellenic Greeks, as the people of Croton/Metapontum were, did not use crucifixion as a form of execution*. Furthermore, I'm not aware of any historic document that refers to Pythagoras' death in that fashion. That seems to be the remit of websites extolling the less practical parts of his unique philosophy,


*Journal articles here and here confirm.

--Jaylemurph


One should read Manly P. Hall's materials.
jaylemurph
QUOTE (Orion von Koch @ Jun 9 2008, 05:34 PM) *
One should read Manly P. Hall's materials.


Should one want tawdry metaphysics, one should. If one wants history, one consults historians.

But, from the above, I can see how you mistake the two.

--Jaylemurph
truthist
QUOTE (Orion von Koch @ Jun 9 2008, 09:16 PM) *
I know who you are, I had someone like you in my philosophy class. Hang in there...It may become clearer as time goes on.

As a teenager, one of my favorite snappy answers (somewhat snappier in Finnish) was "I used to think that too, when I was still stupid!"

It's good to know that I can start using it again once my head's turned gray. I just need to bake it into an anecdote. Maybe something like: "I used to know a guy just like you. Slipped on the wet bathroom floor and drowned in the toilet. Ergo, I'm right."

Note the intellectually intimidating random Latin in that piece of rhetoric. I wish I was old already.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (Orion von Koch @ Jun 9 2008, 03:58 PM) *
After looking at your reputations, I guess I had best just give up. But NO.

My reputations. Huh. I would like to think I have a repuatation for being logical.
EtuMalku
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Jun 9 2008, 11:50 AM) *
I have no idea what this... third-tier lashing of bilious prose and dubious philosophy is supposed to be, but it's as far from a serious discussion of history as can be. Judging from this and his other threads, Orion here wants to set up a blog for his preaching.

Where do we look for our past? It depends on what we want to find. I'm guessing Orion here can skip legitimate history all together and wind up somewhere in the part of the bookstore that sells books on Mu.

--Jaylemurph


I'm sorry, I tried to follow this thread and wound up at the end completely befuddled
To your OP: first I must ask are seeking the past of you / yourself or for Mankind in general?
Grey Area
QUOTE (Orion von Koch @ Jun 5 2008, 09:34 PM) *
Virtual Reality is a human endeavor to participate in a computer-created world via computerized sensors such as viewing goggles, gloves or a total sensor-suit. Those who travel in this newly created world can experience a perceptual stimulus that approaches the visual and tactile expressions of reality. The Department of Defense and NASA have plans to converge robotics with VR to allow a cybernaut to travel, work, and fight in hostile environs while controlled by a human at a remote site. With such capabilities, we would be able to explore the universe from our own living rooms. Imagine putting on a head-mounted display and body-sensor suit that would correspond to sensors in a robot that might be millions of miles away -- say on Mars. You could actually become part of a cyber-being that would interact with the Martian environment. You would be able to experience all the wonders of such a far away place in a direct sensory manner.


Not gonna happen, at least not in our lifetime.

If the DOD & NASA did create this model, it would be a military training application, certainly not available to the public. It is impractical and flawed, current software is good, but not that good, but just in case you are right, pray MS don't have a hand in its developement.

As for a virtual reality hooked up to a mars probe, well it would be nice, but would never work. Imagine millions of people logging on to take control of one robot on the surface, now thats what i call a sensory experience, not to mention the 15minutes delay in signals travelling to mars. May as well just look at the pics.

Here's a crazy thought, instead of putting goggles on and experiencing a third rate rendered environment thats gonna be a couple of years behind current technology on release, try stepping out of the door and experiencing the real world, now that could stimulate the senses.

As for fighting remotely, well thats great, nothing new with UAV's etc, but a single EMP could win a war, and then some third world country, who can't afford this amazing technology could walk in and slaughter all the troops who are now unfit and poorly trained having spent their military careers in a VR pod.

You didn't happen to write Battlefield Earth did you?
Jennie 1
I agree with Grey Area, but if you did write Battlefield Earth, it was good!!! grin2.gif
This is very interesting, but I can't say that I find the VR possibilities as enlightening or as wonderful as you seem to think they will be.
QUOTE (Orion von Koch @ Jun 5 2008, 03:34 PM) *
Virtual reality will soon allow us to become anyone, anything, anywhere, anyhow, any who-beings when we flip the switch and step into a high resolution, 3-dimensional visual-sound, pheromone aided environment. There, our real sensory systems will suffer a paradigm shift into a world augmented by heads-up displays of hypertext, cyberspace/form, and amplified knowledge available in a mirror-world context, at speeds that will seem like reality is blending into super-reality. We will be able to learn everything we learned in high school in a few short sessions. If Marshall McLuhan thought that television rendered high school obsolete, then VR will render education meaningless. All knowledge will be gestalt and inherent.


I think that Mr. McLuhan was wrong. wink2.gif As a teacher with a few years under your belt, don't you find the students today lacking in....how shall I say it, umm....common sense? No offense to anyone, but today I had to explain to the recently graduated valedictorian of the local high school that if there are 15 calories in 1/3 of a cucumber, than a whole cucumber has 45 calories.
She looked at me wide eyed and said, "How did you figure that out so fast?" rolleyes.gif

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Total access will be at our behest. You will be able to live through any animal; dive to the depths of your own blood stream; repair your own body from within, live in deep space in a robot body that will become your home or work away from home, and when the robot sleeps you repair and feed (energize) it and yourself. You may even share in your robots dreams. You will be able to visit virtual worlds within virtual worlds and might even lose yourself and die in a virtual world before realizing that you really are alive in your own living room. Of course, you may really be dead.

That sounds like a terrible waste of a life. What would be the point of spending your whole life in VR?
I have a brother who is so into his computerized virtual reality,(the World of Warcraft) that he doesn't even spend time with his children when they come for his visitation. It's up to those of us in the "real world" to see about them and entertain them. Sad really....
A couple of months ago I went to the beach, while we were there, I noticed that most of the teenagers I saw were walking down the most beautiful beach, not noticing the sun or the sand or the ocean or even each other. They were staring at their cell phones texting their friends, or surfing the internet. Sad really....

QUOTE
Can you see what I am showing you? Who is to say whether or not our lives are really virtual realities for a higher form or ourselves? Localization is suspect. Where do you truly exist? The ancient Essenes said that you exist as spirit or animator occupying a form. You are eternal the form is an experience. Modern day religions say the same thing. Is religion really technology that we think is magical but its really VR in true syntax. Sumerian texts say that the gods came to earth to work the gold mines and became tired. They made a lesser man (via genetic engineering?) and dismembered (divided) a god to use his breath or spirit to drive the beings they made. Many ancient religions such as the Aztecs, Egyptians and others speak of the many faceted god that occupies all of us in our clay-based bodies.

That's the interesting part, to me anyway. I'd like to hear more about what you think on this. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it is a very interesting concept.
QUOTE
As I am a former educator, I am setting up some information that will lead back to the Ancient Mysteries slot.

I'm listening.
Jennie 1
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Jun 9 2008, 06:06 PM) *
My reputations. Huh. I would like to think I have a repuatation for being logical.


No worries!! thumbsup.gif
adkchamp
The past is no more but a story and the future is like a hidden surprise. The present is the reality and thats how life is. Sadly if some of us keep looking for the truth, life will surely go on and on, while we as humans don't realize that we eventually go after time goes by. Having all the fun you can is what some are thriving for, but i guess the truth is nothing but a big lie.

Think about it, if what is true to you can be false to others. And vice-versa. But what happens when a truth is connected to another truth and to top that, what if those truths are connected to a lie, then what? I guess everyone have their own philosophies (actually maybe not cause everyone seems to follow one another, especially here in NYC) and maybe thats how the world works.

Enjoy the now, remember the past and live for the future...remember only you are a conspiracy to the bunch and the bunch... are blind and only you are a hero of your OWN life and sometimes, you will help others get up...life is like a ride
Ghostfly
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Jun 9 2008, 04:59 PM) *
*Journal articles here and here confirm.

--Jaylemurph


Confirm? How is this confirmantion? How are your sources more accurate than everyone elses? What makes them legit? You're simply choosing which stories you'd like to buy based on the places you heard/read them. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
jaylemurph
QUOTE (Ghostfly @ Jun 10 2008, 12:28 AM) *
Confirm? How is this confirmantion? How are your sources more accurate than everyone elses? What makes them legit? You're simply choosing which stories you'd like to buy based on the places you heard/read them. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...


You seemed to have missed the point a bit. I actually have confirmed sources backing up what I claimed to be true. Orion hasn't even done that much.

What makes them "legit" is that they're serious, informed academic articles, written by actual historical professionals with relevant training, and by virtue of their presence in an academic journal, subject to review by other trained professionals, as opposed to say, unsourced, ill-written, anonymous material from the internet (which, again, Orion hasn't even come up with). I'm more than willing to discuss and even concede the point given input from educated, informed sources.

--Jaylemurph
Герой Советского Союза
Battlefield Earth, was written by L. Ron Hubbard he died in 1986. Not only was he a Science Fiction writer, he was also the founder of scientology disgust.gif
Grey Area
QUOTE (Геро
@ Jun 10 2008, 10:36 AM) *
Battlefield Earth, was written by L. Ron Hubbard he died in 1986. Not only was he a Science Fiction writer, he was also the founder of scientology disgust.gif


Yeah I know, it was a subtle attempt at sarcastically highlighting the preaching parallels of Scientology and Orion's OP.

NM!
Orion von Koch
The virtual reality I truly reference is the one you are living at this very moment.

The Enigmni ZetaBox for Soulular Travel

Soulular Travel is the physical leveraging of Time/Space for the benefit of knowledge and wisdom to the spiritual soul, the eternal monad. It can only be accomplished by the higher being existing within and throughout the realm of perceived existences. That higher being is ever changeless yet outwardly changing and monadically multifaceted in expression. It has been said that it is almost holographic in its emulation, what some refer to as holo-spirited. Mankind is the progeny of this multifaceted generator or God. His means will be experienced here.

The Lord is my shepherd...I shall not want. (God is the Light whereby you are able to be. Light (photons) indwells every elemental of your being. If one were to read the Torah — Cosmic Law ( the order of Melchizedek) or the Vedic traditions they would learn of the Tree of Sefirot (Ain Sof Aur) is the endless light of God. It is the broadcast of God to us. We are part of this grand whole and swim within this grace. It is not unlike the simple Holographic elemental of current day science but is vastly more complex. For one to learn of this body of shepherding by God they must listen with a mind that can see the symbols of the Tree for their purposes. Da'at is the source of this issuance of His Light.

The opening line of the 23rd Psalm — The Lord is my shepherd is as if God gave you this life opening up all your senses to see and behold his creation in Light (Holographic Universe). In this experience of being here in Time/Space or His Light, He will shepherd you via His symbols or His personal expression of you in this realm. You are held within His realms via His light. This very light is Magical to you but is indeed the reality. For you are composed of His elementals of supernal broadcast. Mankind has forgotten this lost wisdom but it can be reclaimed for those who become of the order of Melchizedek. Awaken O you Worthy.

Learners, I am going to insert you into this program for extracting incremental worth of the Monadic Soul. It is a program not unlike a simulation utilizing holographic virtual elements. It will appear as real as existence can possibly be yet it is a device for learning. For each of you it will initially seem strange because you will experience event sequences via a framework or vehicle that will exist within the Zeta program only. Its parameters are set to various conditions and means of solving vehicular problems within that environment. It is not unlike what you have here in this realm but you will be able to be subjected to existences that you never imagined before and you will not recognize yourself in that realm. It is indeed a very advanced RPG or Role Playing Game.

What is great about this experiment is that you are at present highly advanced in all that you know which seems like everything. But, when you enter this realm, you will be highly unfamiliar with the apparatus of motivation. There will be much learning that will be somewhat frustrating in the beginning. You will be highly clumsy and make many mistakes. There are others of us already in the program that will help you move through all the timely challenges. You will grow to admire many of those who are already moving up the chain of the gambital learning site. Their expertise in this highly challenging environ will aid you in your periodic movement through the various tests.

The program is written to allow you to grow in knowledge and it is the very same for everyone who is in the virtual realm. It rewards and punishes you vehicularly by taking away certain aspects of power and leveraging for movement in the realm. The program is highly robust with the laws of consequence and if one makes too many mistakes you will have need to opt out of the program and start over.

Your vehicle will have an onboard computer that must record every aspect of every event that takes place in this world or realm. It is like a server that keeps everything headed in the right direction automatically. You will have some leeway for creative efforts in the realm but pretty much the program has you by the lifeline when it come to working the challenges that will fly at you from the beginning.

The controls you have for movement in this realm are hair trigger and extremely deft. Of course you are highly advanced as a thinker, and extremely creative, but in the early stages it is mostly learning how to leverage the projected challenges to just sustaining some kind of composure that allows life in this environ. You may find it hard to stand and deliver.

Your other facets of being will join you and become players in the gambit. Some will be ahead and others behind but time will seem the same for all of you. You will play this game through to the end though you will be able to slip out when the vehicle itself crashes on a cyclic basis. When this happens you will return here for a debriefing and briefing with your colleagues where you will try to work out the next sequences of events in this realm and perhaps revisit the same gambit from a different perspective.

I must warn you. In the early stages of this simulated vehicular role playing, you will remember your advanced stages of being here in Timelessness, but as you learn the physical apparatus you will suffer immersion with the vehicle and begin to buy into the gambit. Unless you meditate and seek to maintain your present knowledge of the Eternal Monadic Realm, you will lose all contact with us. I know it seems strange being as intelligent as you are, but the program is good.

Of course, this event of being in the program is almost instantaneous for us, it will seem to you as a lifetime, because everything is on a different sequence coupled to events that are fired at you as potential to leverage.

Good luck, this thing is much better than ZBOX 137. It is holographic and extremely high resolution. It is better than a ride at Atlantis’ best theme park, and some of you will think this is the only realm of existence.

Orion von Koch
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Jun 10 2008, 12:39 AM) *
You seemed to have missed the point a bit. I actually have confirmed sources backing up what I claimed to be true. Orion hasn't even done that much.

What makes them "legit" is that they're serious, informed academic articles, written by actual historical professionals with relevant training, and by virtue of their presence in an academic journal, subject to review by other trained professionals, as opposed to say, unsourced, ill-written, anonymous material from the internet (which, again, Orion hasn't even come up with). I'm more than willing to discuss and even concede the point given input from educated, informed sources.

--Jaylemurph


As a former university person, who worked with many folks just like yourself, I know whereof you retort. But you see, I have gone to other sources for much of my information. Sources that have been kicked out and roughed up by the likes of persons who just cannot move off third base. I have access to information that is somewhat beyond you and if you want to learn of it, fine and if you want to discredit fine, but I truly do not care. I am on to something and I will follow it out all the way while you do like the dog in your icon, just nip at my heels. The universe is wide open, and you should take a look at it. It is beautiful out here.

Orion
Orion von Koch
QUOTE (Ghostfly @ Jun 9 2008, 11:28 PM) *
Confirm? How is this confirmantion? How are your sources more accurate than everyone elses? What makes them legit? You're simply choosing which stories you'd like to buy based on the places you heard/read them. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...



I have lived a long time, and have seen a lot in my life. The universe is full of surprises and I will show you some very interesting things down the road. Yes, some folks are full of their own data, but I am open to everything that presents itself. The ancients knew more than we do — heck we don't even have the sense to really check the Egyptians out but instead listen to a loan loon who finds a mummy every once in a while and puts it on TV. The Ancient Egyptians have the secret to our being and our past. If we actually explored it, we would find our past and could see our future a little better.
Orion von Koch
I Joman, have lived beyond any man I know and have kept it a secret since my early years of existence. Then, I was privileged to have been born during the last years of Earth’s Golden Epoch now some 11,500 years ago. My father was privileged enough to be one of the most advanced of all souls who lived on this planet, a scientist and member of the League of All. Some at the time said his name was thought exemplified in physical form. His works have been my guiding light since those ancient of days and I have tired to escort his words down to this very period conveying to humanity his great and grand works. His linkage to the source of our very being here in Time/Space was unbroken in soulular communication. If ever a man knew everything in this forum of existence, he was that man. His life was a normal 137 orbits of the Goge Portal what is now called the Sun of this solar system. I took his name later in my life to carry on his work, but we will come to that later in this long, long tale that I am sure is the only link to who and what we all are here in Time/Space.

My home was Ubnake a place near what is now called Cuba I am transcribing this material now from a hidden place deep under that old mountainous abode…my former youthful home. Things were very different back when I first became manifest here in this realm of the Moiré Arena, the focused ground-point of the eye of God within this dimension. It was a home filled with excitement and much learning from the instant I arrived here — my father made sure of that. He was already very old when he fathered me to my mother, one of his assistants in the most important aspects of his research into how we should attain coherency in this realm. I was my father’s own experiment in prolonging existence as a being in one form. It is this abode where I live that contains the secret to my longevity. But I shall dwell upon the how of that later in this transmission.

My becoming is so involved with the exactness of my father’s findings on human existence in this manifestation of being here in physical form that I have had to maintain incremental and precise controls in how I leverage each and every second of my movement from one point of being to another in this world. It has taken its toll on me mentally and physically yet he trained me well in this strange endeavor that few will ever need experience. I do not suggest its regimen to anyone.

My span of being here has been 11,500 years as I communicate to my beloved friends of the Realm of the Moiré Arena. I have been the founder of this society down through the ages, always to outlive all my beloved friends — brothers and sisters have you always been. Though our group has been extremely small, we have always had the edge in all earthly conflicts by being able to interface with the “then” powers that be, to offer our insight and knowledge which has always been superior due to the hard work of my father, his old friends and those who worked on the many projects as was standard for his great and grand generation and the one that spawned them. The Golden age has at least tricked down to the present even though humanity has suffered numerous catastrophes over the last 11,000 years. The Initial calamity was indeed the blow that almost destroyed all of us on this planet and in this sector of Goge. I will reiterate how we saw it coming, dealt with it and survived its havoc within this thesis.

As I have lived through, with those beloved of you, each and every epoch of striving here on Earth though most of you did not survive the periods of history, your work and words still travel as the basis of our total knowing. The libraries we have established and the one here in this vault of vaults attest to the dedication you all have striven for over the many thousands of years will someday come to the real world…when it is ready. It will be your testament. Alas, that world or this one now, is still not ready for our knowledge and enlightenment. I will not be able to carry on much more and it will need to left up to you to form the ultimate guild to see the day of reckoning so all will finally know their own being.

My initial start was in a wonderful world where all human interface and adjustment was finally worked out with all the parameters known and in full utilization even to the point of achieving everlasting life in one from through the entire test of existence rather than the reincarnation of another body to continue the quest. My father’s Great Grandfathers had already learned the secrets of existence here in this realm…it was almost old even to them. Their lives were long in comparison to yours.

They had the knowledge of their existence from the beginning of their dispensation some 4 million years ago. It was never lost when they come through the portals of Goge as Light beings. Now they lie at the threshold waiting for the door to open so they may return to their true source, as we will also. Those our ancient of days.

Герой Советского Союза
Is this from your book ?
Orion von Koch
QUOTE (Геро
@ Jun 10 2008, 08:17 AM) *
Is this from your book ?


It is from some of the data but not the new book.

The above is a research topic of mine utilized in classes where we explore the potential of our ancient past via the gnostic teachings of ancient Vedic influence to a topic. By exploring our creative minds, we can see some of what existence could have been. Some think we lived an entirely different life back then. One highly advanced but much more creative in terms of genetics and the engineering output of such genetics on a higher level. Such a paradigm would have much influence on life today if we could only reclaim it.
louie
Do you realise you have 4 threads running on ancient mysteries out of 15. why dont you just set up a series of questions on 1 thread an discuss friom there.
Герой Советского Союза
Yeah this would make an excellent blog. Its a little lost here on the forums
HollyDolly
QUOTE (Orion von Koch @ Jun 9 2008, 12:53 PM) *
Sadly you are right.


Yes, a lot of the past has been lost.think of all the ancient wisdom in the Great library at Alexandria in Eygpt,that was destroyed by religious fanatics.
It makes you wonder what it contained,maybe information of how the pyramids were built, on healing the sick,on mathmatics and other subjects.
We of course will never know.And as you say, when people try to bring change or enlighten the world for good and the benefit of others, they are crushed and destroyed in one way or another which is so sad.
mnemeion
So what secrets can you reveal to us Orion? There are only a few that haven't been told or proposed here.
Герой Советского Союза
QUOTE (Grey Area @ Jun 10 2008, 12:30 PM) *
Yeah I know, it was a subtle attempt at sarcastically highlighting the preaching parallels of Scientology and Orion's OP.

NM!


yeah i got that, i was directing it at the other guy happy.gif
Grey Area
Ookaay

Totally lost me now, sounds like the matrix tbh, but a little science would come in handy, and may make a little more sense.

Beam me up Scotty!
jaylemurph
QUOTE (Orion von Koch @ Jun 10 2008, 08:48 AM) *
As a former university person, who worked with many folks just like yourself, I know whereof you retort. But you see, I have gone to other sources for much of my information. Sources that have been kicked out and roughed up by the likes of persons who just cannot move off third base. I have access to information that is somewhat beyond you and if you want to learn of it, fine and if you want to discredit fine, but I truly do not care. I am on to something and I will follow it out all the way while you do like the dog in your icon, just nip at my heels. The universe is wide open, and you should take a look at it. It is beautiful out here.

Orion


I'd leave off commenting about the dog. Flooding the forum with pretentiously vague cod-metaphysics justified by the smug assurance you know more deep celestial truths than the rest of us is one thing, dragging an innocent hound into your dreck is another.

--Jaylemurph
Orion von Koch
QUOTE (HollyDolly @ Jun 10 2008, 08:58 AM) *
Yes, a lot of the past has been lost.think of all the ancient wisdom in the Great library at Alexandria in Eygpt,that was destroyed by religious fanatics.
It makes you wonder what it contained,maybe information of how the pyramids were built, on healing the sick,on mathmatics and other subjects.
We of course will never know.And as you say, when people try to bring change or enlighten the world for good and the benefit of others, they are crushed and destroyed in one way or another which is so sad.


I totally agree. I would give my left earlobe to see the stuff destroyed but idiots who follow some joker full of charisma and change yet have nothing to offer at all. Yep. Thank goodness I have a library full of great books that cut through much of the mist.
Orion von Koch
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Jun 10 2008, 11:22 AM) *
I'd leave off commenting about the dog. Flooding the forum with pretentiously vague cod-metaphysics justified by the smug assurance you know more deep celestial truths than the rest of us is one thing, dragging an innocent hound into your dreck is another.

--Jaylemurph


I know and I love dogs. You tend to dislike those who try to stimulate discussion and that makes me wonder about you. What have you done for us lately??? I see nothing of value coming from your factory. Try being nice for a change.
Orion von Koch
QUOTE (Геро
@ Jun 10 2008, 08:49 AM) *
Yeah this would make an excellent blog. Its a little lost here on the forums


Sorry, I love the mysteries and have tons of questions about it. I just try to generate something that stimulates discussion on the topics but what I have received so far is a bunch of folks trying to stop my questions. Could some of you guys try answering some of this stuff. I am beginning to believe that there are a bunch of takers and not enough givers. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Gee, I just want to know some stuff before I die and I am getting close to those days. Lets get down to discovering what is behind this experience of being here in Time/Space.

Orion
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