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LadyHay
QUOTE (Kazahel @ Jun 16 2008, 07:22 PM) *
I think if parents did their jobs correctly in the first place, they wouldnt even be needing to think of punishments for bad behaviour. So imo when you punish a child, its because you didnt teach them correctly in the first place.



Well now, I really don't agree with that. Kids do dumb things all the time. Kids should be somewhat responsible for their own behavior. I have four kids, and all very different. Two of them want to please adults and so behave really well most of the time (yet, not always!). Two of them are a bit more of a challenge.

So, punishing a child is not simply because they weren't taught correctly. There is way more at play here.

Do you have children?

I am not sure I would humiliate that child for his bullying behavior. To me, that doesn't fit the "crime". It simply humiliates him. Perhaps it serves its purpose in the end, but I don't see it being a very positive punishment. I too, see it as bullying. But I do applaud the mom for doing something. It was just a bit too... public... in a "see what a good parent I am" kind of way. Perhaps I would have him do something where he has to interact with people more. Make the punishment fit the crime better. Perhaps have him volunteer somewhere. Attend some kind of counseling.

Kazahel
QUOTE (LadyHay @ Jun 19 2008, 02:09 AM) *
Well now, I really don't agree with that. Kids do dumb things all the time. Kids should be somewhat responsible for their own behavior. I have four kids, and all very different. Two of them want to please adults and so behave really well most of the time (yet, not always!). Two of them are a bit more of a challenge.

So, punishing a child is not simply because they weren't taught correctly. There is way more at play here.

Do you have children?


Yes my son turns seven soon. And so I'm only going from our experience together. And I havent ever had to punish him for anything yet because he hasnt ever done anything.. wrong. Once he drew on the wall when he was about three.. but I told him your not suppose to because it doesnt come off so easy(and I hadnt told him that before so it wasnt his fault). So other than that, I cant think of anything he's ever done that would need punishment. So I guess I'm looking at it from that point of view because thats all I've seen you know. And I've spent a lot of time teaching my son, I even tried to teach him his name when he was in the womb by singing a very basic song with his name in it(for months/before I even knew for sure from that test they do that he was a boy), and the day he was born I sung the song and he looked over to my direction. It was very cool.

Anyway then I stayed home with my ex wife and helped raise him until she could go to work(she liked working better and I wanted to).. and from a few months after he was born I was looking after him(teaching him) while she worked fulltime. Then when my son was two my wife left me because her family said I didnt work.. basically.. that and they never wanted us to get married anyway(long story). And then I kept on looking after my son fulltime during the weekdays alone, and she always gets him on the weekends.

So anotherwords I'm like a stay at home dad who spends the time teaching. And so far I havent had to punish my kid.. one day I might need to and when that day comes I'll probably just think I shouldve taught him whatever it was first. Like with the drawing on walls.
LadyHay
QUOTE (Kazahel @ Jun 18 2008, 06:54 PM) *
Yes my son turns seven soon. And so I'm only going from our experience together. And I havent ever had to punish him for anything yet because he hasnt ever done anything.. wrong. Once he drew on the wall when he was about three.. but I told him your not suppose to because it doesnt come off so easy(and I hadnt told him that before so it wasnt his fault). So other than that, I cant think of anything he's ever done that would need punishment. So I guess I'm looking at it from that point of view because thats all I've seen you know. And I've spent a lot of time teaching my son, I even tried to teach him his name when he was in the womb by singing a very basic song with his name in it(for months/before I even knew for sure from that test they do that he was a boy), and the day he was born I sung the song and he looked over to my direction. It was very cool.

Anyway then I stayed home with my ex wife and helped raise him until she could go to work(she liked working better and I wanted to).. and from a few months after he was born I was looking after him(teaching him) while she worked fulltime. Then when my son was two my wife left me because her family said I didnt work.. basically.. that and they never wanted us to get married anyway(long story). And then I kept on looking after my son fulltime during the weekdays alone, and she always gets him on the weekends.

So anotherwords I'm like a stay at home dad who spends the time teaching. And so far I havent had to punish my kid.. one day I might need to and when that day comes I'll probably just think I shouldve taught him whatever it was first. Like with the drawing on walls.



Awww, sounds like you are a very devoted dad. Your son is lucky.

I am a work at home mom. I have only worked temporarily outside of the home for 2 years before the last two were born. It was important to be home with the kids. We also live below my parents who are retired ECE (early childhood educators). There is no lack of supervision or attention given these children. I also am lucky to be with a very devoted stepdad. All of us are working hard to raise these kids; they are very loved, but I can already see the independence of them all.

You said something important when you said you hadn't taught your son yet, to not draw on the walls. There is always something we need to teach our kids better on. There are also things our kids inherently know, through life's experiences/exposures, such as not stealing from a store. I was never told by my parents that this was wrong, but I know that somehow I knew it. I also know that there are kids who will do it anyway. I am not enough of an expert to attribute that to poor upbringing or lack of supervision, though. Kids will continue to push those boundaries, in differing degrees. My son's counselor says you only have to be a good parent 40% of the time to raise a good kid. I like that.
--Mandalore--
QUOTE (Drayno @ Jun 7 2008, 08:45 PM) *
Taking away privileges to an extent affects them. But, actually guiding them whether they like it or not is more what I feel is best. His mom probably doesn't pay attention to him to he acts out. Or she has a effect on him and he translates that to the teenage logic. Which probably makes him subject of claims of entitlement to bash others...thanks to his thought process. This guy is a teenager..he is pretty close to adulthood. I only have about three years until I am legally an adult. If she had seen the world seven or eight years ago, it was getting worse...so it would have made sense to impress positive morals upon him then.



Taking away things may affect them, but they know they'll eventually get them back, so until then they'll act like little angels and when they get their stuff back they'll revert back to the way they were before they got it taken away in the first place. I know from experience, I did the same when I was that age. hmm.gif

--Mandalore--

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Yahveh
I'd have to agree with the mother on this. From what I understand I was a torment as a kid. Typical punishments like grounding, spanking, and taking things away were only a temporary fix for me at least. I'd just wait until my parents weren't around or weren't looking. I glad my parents didn't do this to me, but you can guarantee if they had I wouldn't have repeated the behavior.
TheBlackMamba
I really think more people would consider the things they do if public humilation was the punishment.
Blind Atrocity
I knew the moment I saw fox16 in the url, that it was Arkansas related. And I can tell you exactly where she got the idea from: Fox16 news itself, as well as KTHV and KARK, our other local news stations. Why? Because they've made a point of telling us all about how other women have taken this approach through out the country. This woman isn't the first, and won't be the last.

Sometimes, all it takes is showing a bully what it's like. Yes, his mother could have chosen a better way of wording it. Dumb wasn't necessary. And making him stand in the middle of Little Rock was a little over-doing it, especially in THAT part of town. However, the alternative could have been worse. They didn't specify what kind of iPod -- some total over $500, and that's where you can start getting in big trouble.

I respect her -- she took an approach that made him feel the way he makes other's feel. Embarassed.
Alex01
You can't get a better mother than that. That's a very good punishment indeed-----------> For a bully.

The kid won't understand it now, he will in the future. wink2.gif
Kazahel
QUOTE (TheBlackMamba @ Jun 28 2008, 02:17 PM) *
I really think more people would consider the things they do if public humilation was the punishment.


You mean like some of the things people might do in the privacy of their own homes....

Dont worry that wasnt really a question.
Jennie 1
QUOTE (Kazahel @ Jun 28 2008, 10:11 PM) *
You mean like some of the things people might do in the privacy of their own homes....

Dont worry that wasnt really a question.


Maybe, if they bully others and steal from others, in the privacy of their own homes...
Kazahel
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Jun 29 2008, 02:00 PM) *
Maybe, if they bully others and steal from others, in the privacy of their own homes...


Yes but the ones I'm alluding to dont get humiliated by the.. public.. the public it seems accepts their behaviour....

And how does one bully one from their own home?.. Or steal something from them... Do you mean like siblings? Or do you mean when people use their computers to cyberstalk and harass people they dont like.. for an example? Like cyberbullies/gossips...

You see its those people who dont get humiliated, because they agree with what they are doing even though its.. criminal. They just justify to themselves somehow. And if their 'friends' agree as well.. well then you cant really humiliate them..

Anyway.. people seem to be into public humiliation instead of removing the wood from their own eyes.
OilFight
QUOTE (Shankpin @ Jun 7 2008, 02:52 PM) *
Do people not realize the consequences that bullying has on kids? School shootings ring a bell? - mass murderers on the sole account of bullying. Teachers, and students are even scared to go to school on that reason alone--- Teachers are (in fact) getting licences to carry weapons to their jobs- on school grounds out of fear of these bullies. & in turn we have the underdog students carrying weapons to school in defense.. will it end?? This way, do we, are we solving this major problem??
The laws are so messed up that any form of deterring discipline is considered "illegal." Their hands (school authorities) are often tied-- Come on People! It starts at home, by God, it should stop there.

I say ^^ to that momma!!

* adding, if the punk needs any counseling at all from his "trauma" I bet you this-- It doesn't even compare to the counseling needed for those he's picked on, bullied around--

he's lucky he's not mine, I'd probably do more than just give him a bell and a poster board.. more like ringing that bell of his, while whooping his *** with a board.


(b^.^)b
Kazahel
QUOTE (LadyHay @ Jun 24 2008, 09:00 AM) *
Awww, sounds like you are a very devoted dad. Your son is lucky.


Sorry I missed this.. but thanks. And yeah he is doing very well. yes.gif
ScreaminJock
Well done that Mom. About time more parents were a bit harder on kids, world is going crazy with kids thinking they are untouchable.
just think of the murders being committed by them and all the other lesser crimes. They need to have discipline and respect instilled in them.
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