What I mean is you pray to God to give you straight A's in school and then play games all year. Why should he help you.


Or we ask him to help feed the hungry but then are not willing to ship the food from the United States to the areas of the world that need it.

Absolutely true. We must first put forth the effort and then God may reward us. That's how it works with parents and their children.
Simple. Teaching us is what a mother or father does best.

What about the good people who do good things but still suffer? Or better yet faithful believers who obey his laws?

Why should he? An all loving, all merciful, and all good being should always love, give mercy, and do the right thing.

Why should he? Because if he didn't why do we need him?

why should he let it rain on the good and the bad?

Your child has made some poor decisions in his/her life and has got into a bad situation. Do you...

1) Do what you can to help your child

or

2) Let your child fend for him/herself, thinking "My child has free-will and got themself into this situation. It is within my power to help, but I won't because then my plan won't come to fruition."

Doesn't take a genius really.

How many times do you help and have thrown back into your face before you stop helping until asked for real

Because God said this



Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask




Are you saying God was only joking when he inspired the writers to write this??


fullywired

God set the rules because he created us. Don't think your rules are better because that is quite hypocritical. By the way, Jesus Christ was the first person to use the word hypocrite on someone who was parading around as a fake.

J

Could God with all his powers make it so if he helped one person - there weren't any negative flow on effects to anybody else? Because if he was meddlesome his interventions would continuously be changing not just the specific situation but others as well.

And these situations wouldn’t have prior causation either so how would that work anyway? How would an intervention mechanistically work.

I suppose, yes he is God, he can magic it so anything happens, but it still seem peculiar to moi.

So, you put human frailties on God? God gives up simply because His help is thrown back in His face?

You argue for God being 'beyond human ken' when it suits you, but compare God to humanity when it does also. Did someone else in this thread mention hypocrisy?

God cannot do evil. God is not human. God is not of this Earth. God is an allien. But God does have all of the Human emotions. God can get mad, upset, love, frustrated.


But what probable really happens is the person closes his/her mind to Gods help.

You have never tried to help someone and had it thrown back in your face with the statement "I DON'T NEED YOUR HELP OR I DON'T WANT YOUR HELP"?

I hope you know that guiling us won't work.
Love thy neighbor and thyself.

Look to 1 John Chapter 3 verses 11-24:

11This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous. 13Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.

16This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. 17If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? 18Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. 19This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence 20whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

21Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.


So if you read those verses and are now reading this, I will accept a reply. Otherwise, what's the point to this thread if no one has the patience to read.
You decided to be sarcastic to a fellow forum member. I don't mind, I've done it myself, but don't be foolish when replying without giving it good thought.

We all make mistakes in life but one that shouldn't be made is hate.
Love.

J

I hope you don't mean what I think you mean when you "alien". An alien can't create matter or destroy it by thought.

J

Alien means Main Entry: 1ex·tra·ter·res·tri·al
Pronunciation: \-tə-ˈres-trē-əl, -ˈres(h)-chəl\
Function: adjective
Date: 1848
: originating, existing, or occurring outside the earth or its atmosphere <extraterrestrial life>

Well, with God, it is a little more complicated then just outside the atmosphere.
Theology is making me tired, though everything makes me tired at this time of night...

So, when did you come to Christ? With the willing belief that you are a follower?

You could say the day I was born, or the first time I heard the xmas story.


And no it isn't any more complicated with God since he was around before the Earth.

I am not 'guiling' anyone, I am showing how parents feel about their children. The believers see God as a parent, well He sure doesn't behave like one.

BTW, I reserve my right to reply whether you 'accept it' or not. Do you consider yourself as being above others because of your belief?

In reading the passages you supplied I fail to see how they are relevant to the question of why God should help. They are very nice to be sure, but your point was?



When I decide to point to the inconsistency in the belief expressed by the religious you may use the term 'sarcasm' to describe this if you wish, it does not negate the inconsistent nature of belief however.

And I do not hate. Do you believe this a common reaction among non-believers to the 'truth' that believers dispense - hatred? If so then you have been very successful in wrapping yourself in the isolation that blind belief confers, I commend you.

Perhaps we can get back to the topic of discussion and debate why God (the all-loving parent) should help?

No, its the first time you've accepted Christ into your heart. Many people born into Christian families don't come to Christ for many years. It is a personal decision between you and Jesus.
I'd start by showing Him that you love and obey him. Baptism is a wonderful way of doing that.

J

I have said this before in other topics. The United States government throws away enough food every year to feed the whole world. This is on top of paying farmers not to grow crops.


So the real reason there is hungry people in the world is 1 money, 2 infrastructure, 3 to control population, and 4 to make prices higher.

The day i was born I had my first thought. Which was "so this is life!!!!!!!!!!!". This means three things. 1. I already existed but it wasn't life. 2. I hadn't lived before. 3. I was looking forward to it.

The only Church that ever felt right with that thought was the lds church.

The US Government is not God though, is it? (Although that, perhaps, is debatable )

God could 'magic' all the food produced to where it was needed. He doesn't need the US Gov to do that, in fact He doesn't even need the farmers to grow it!

So, why doesn't He think of the children? Why does nobody ever think of the children!!!

I'm not the one with the superiority complex. I know you know what that means, if not too bad.
That line "I commend you", fits into your ego just fine.

But aside from your flame war, people should know that God helps everyday. He intervened all the time up to about 2008 years ago when he decided to prove to mankind that he knows what it is like down here. He tried, while he was human, to persuade people to a better way of life. They killed Him, but of course it didn't work.

So now we come to the conclusion, why God should help...
He is helping, just not by your standards, and especially because you are not the standard, HE IS.

J

Yes, if he can cure a child's meningitis than he can do that too.

Well then why doesn't god cure amputees also ? Why does he discriminate against them ? Alot of them pray and pray and no new limbs !!

Why don't you spend all of your hard earned money to help the children. God helped you get the job.

After taking care of your family first.

Okay, fair enough. But denomination wasn't created by Christ. His words are straight forward(it is true) so denomination isn't necessary.

J

never heard of artifical limbs i guess.


In central america 15 years ago they turned guns into arms and legs. talk about beating swords into plow shears.

No, they are god's family,his children, remember .....he "willed" them here


Father is responsible for his starving children

Your right going to church isn't needed but it helps to keep you on the path. I should know I haven't been to church really in 20 years.

Why fakes ,when god can make THE REAL THING ?

Their your family too. This has been proven now scientifically. There was an eve and an Adam. but according to science they lived about 20 thousand years apart and half a continent apart.

Be glad your not an ant they don't repair anything.

They are my brothers & sisters, But who's your daddy ?


I'm not their daddy.

Are fathers not responsible anymore for what they created ?

Ah. I didn't really mean it that way.
I attend a church that is non-denominational. Not a cult mind you. We simply research the Bible and take every lesson in it seriously. That's all. Lord's supper every Sunday and so on.

J

Am I my brothers keeper?

No, but your Father is.

You don't need to be if your father is doing his job

It seems that I have come late to this party...



I do not believe that ANYONE should ask any God/s to do something knowing that they can do it themselves. However if you have tried to do it yourself then perhaps you should ask your God/s to help.

These are just my thoughts....

So your both on Cains side then.

Believe in God but tie up your horse.

it's life ......... if God stepped in for one then God would have to step in for all. kinda takes away the point of life. to live. no one was promised it would be fair , perfect , happy , nor always horrible either.

yet we wouldn't learn acceptance. My brother that passed away 3 years ago lost his left leg below the knee. At first he was in denial , and angry. but eventually he found acceptance ( and even gratitude since it help him score with women. )

it's life on lifes terms.

my wonder is why is it that many who don't even believe in God find his lack of change so apprehensible when they don't believe in God ! If you really didn't believe in God you wouldn't think it fruitless to blame one ? to become angry ? a contradiction ?

This is a contradiction, if ever I read one......

So, God isn't human, yet he thinks/feels like a human.......

So, God feels human emotions but not the evil ones like wrath or revenge, just the moderate ones like anger and frustration........And of course, love, we can't forget the love......

Feels like a custom-made God to me but that's just my opinion......

It's hard to believe what my eyes are hearing... So, was the 3 y o's death a reward? Was her suffering a reward?
You and danielost are cut from the same fabric(ation)... You toss platitudes out and hope they will stick. Well, they do stick - in my craw.

I'm an agnostic which means I DON'T KNOW, although I am rather doubtful of his existence ,especially the human concept of him if he exists. (i used to hear god's voice & realized I was giving myself "pep talk")

But the abrahamic "notion of god" borders on the absurd (and that's put kindly-as you know)

If god indeed was/is a deranged king then it would certainly explain the behavior of the Abrahamic god - the acts of a jealous, paranoid and inconsistent cosmic Saddam Hussein or Hitler.

Wise words.


Says who?

Depends on the age of the child. Children that fail usually can blame their parents because a lot of times it's the parent's fault. In any case, if the child has left your house (with no problems) and then later ended up in a bad situation because of stupid decisions, well then the child has to deal with the consequences of his/her mistakes.


christians are not the only people who believe in God.


Human frailties? That suggests that we came first. Our emotions are not hindrances, not if we know how to handle them. They are the very qualities of God, those things which he has endowed upon us as gifts, not as ailments. They are tools for making the world a better place.

It is prideful of man to think that God has his emotions.

No not a reward.

What are you talking about I stated that God could feel all human emotions and I gave examples.

He can't do evil...funny but it looks as though he needs EVIL to help steer others towards him...evil has been a great help to god by the looks of it...sick and sad but it looks as though those are the brakes...evil that haunts the living, tortures them, and most will turn to a preist or minister for help....and BINGO!!

Another thing...you have made your posts look as though you personally KNOW thisgod...but yet you can't answer as to why small children who can barley string a sentence together, let alone talk or know about god...yet they get to SUFFER no help....<---you don't know why and you never will