Hello all.

I need some like minded people to run some things by.
This is not a hoax. I have a very real problem on my hands.

I'm not sure where to start so I'll go with current events and answer what needs to be answered.

I have a friend. He has a spell on him.
Here's the kicker. The person placing the spell on him passed away 6 months ago.
I believe the departed had a pact with satan.

I think he traded the lives of his wife and his 1st born son and his 1st born sons son to escape going to hell to be able to stay in limbo as a free entity.
I think the deceased has possessed a buddy of my friend and is using my actual friend as a battery of sorts to supercharge himself. If you will.

Either that or the man I think possessed is a practitioner. My friends know the possessed very well.
He has been visiting my actual friend at times of the day that are devisible by 3, Daily.
Keeping him ill.

The deceased was a rapist that was never caught. He was a powerful well respected lawyer.
A pillar to the community. He raped my wifes mother trying to get at my wife while she was in her teens.

As a result. Her mother had a nervous breakdown. I know all of this because it was admitted to me upon his death.

He has came back and is sucking the life force from my friend in an attempt to recharge to come after my wife.

Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated. I will answer anything asked that I can.

Thank you good people.

ok, Why do you think that your friend has a spell on him? What is he doing, specifically?

Has your friend seen a metal health worker? I'd try that before ya jump to the paranormal.

In what way is your friend ill? And you said this was admitted to you upon his death. Who admitted that to you? The rapist? Just trying to get a clear picture.

I'm just curious if you think your friends possessed and what to do, what is it your friend exactly is doing? things that seemed to be like the deceased person you once knew? you should do a bit more background research bout him it seems you got an idea on the guy who passed away, talk to others that knew him see what they say, if your "Possessed" Friend is doing things that he usually used to do it's a possibility, but Possession is a senstive topic and hard to say none the less

I'm not new at this guys. Please don't mistake my 1st post with my being a nube.

The possessed person is not my friend. The inflicted person is.

I'm not sure how to put it in words. It's just the actions. The person I believe to be possessed is also a lawyer.
the inflicted person is a lawyer. They are sound mentally. The deceased was a lawyer.

I'm not jumping to conclusions. I just don't know how to word these things just so.

He is being attacked in his sleep. He is being tormented. It's textbook.

Some back ground on me? I have studied demonology.
I have studied the likes of aliester crowley, anton levay. I have read the bl;ack bible and the following book of rights.
I have studied the golden dawn. I know that aliester conjured satan himself.

I have even thrown at least 1 curse with great success. I have just never dealt with entities from another realm actually attacking in this fasion. I don't know if it's 1 presence or if there are a group of them working multiple angles.
I know it's deep and I know it's dark and I know the man that passed set it up this way.

I have seen the shadow people. I have seen flies appear in multitude.
I know there is an infestation.

I need to stop it there before it gets here. I have told them to do a smudging.
I have told them to have a priest bless there house. As they are catholics.

The man doing this is not himself. The infecteds' wife says he scares her latey because he is not the man she knows to be her friend.
She says that the man whispers in low conversational tone and shuts up when she approaches. It's text book.
They are being preyed upon. The man I believe to be possessed is not saved nor baptized. I believe he is charmed.
I believe he as placed somekind of power sig of some type in the house without the owners knowledge.

Now we can discuss wether or not I have validity or merit.
I do not have time for these qualms.

These people need help.

I'm 35 years old. I'm not some punk kid.
I know what I am talking about and if you guys know..., then you should notice that my terminologies are not those of a dabbler.

They are non-believers that just happen to believe all of a sudden.

The dead has cut a deal in exchange for souls and he is back preying upon people that he knew in life.

I don't mean to be rude. I'm sorry if I come across like that.
I have no way to get the departeds remains. I do however have access to a shirt of the man that I think possessed.
He wore the shirt on a campout some time back and it has never been washed. It's been lying in a box awaiting this day.

I know all you need to really torment someone is a single hair from there head.

The man I think possessed told my friend that I would be leaving my wife over things he could not have known.
And it was actually something she and I had been debating heatedly.

I went to the book store today i bought all kinds of books.

I'm dealing with a demon. If not minions.

I came here seeking support. I am not a practitioner. I just happen to know some things due to a mis-spent youth.

Sea salt in the doorways isn't going to get it done.

If there is someone out there that has been looking for a cause to apply themselves in this realm.
I implore you to please work with me. This man is being drained like a battery while this thing gets stronger from his demise.

All the while I'm gearing up for spiritual warfare. Is there anyone here that can help?

I need someone that knows how to cast this entity back to hell. All I know to do is throw a curse to slow them down.
All that will do is piss it off and I will be in deeper water than I currently am.

Please. Thank You.

Call Paranormal state they battle demons all the time.

My apologies if you jump to the wrong conclusions, but have you also studied psychology? Neurology? Electrical engineering? Are you a certified buildings inspector? Have you studied toxicology? Immunology? Microbiology? Mycology?

It makes me shake my head when people leap to the conclusion, when they say they have 'studied demonology', that any misfortune inflicting them or others is automatically of demonic origin.

Look to mundane causes (and there are many, many mundane causes - more than you are probably aware of) for apparently bizarre behaviour before leaping to the paranormal conclusion.

Alright sorry I bothered all of you.

Pyrex, Leonardo is right. Regardless, if anything, he needs to be cleared by a Psychologist first. First things first.
You should know (if you understand the subject as you say you do) that EVERYTHING, other than paranormal, should be cleared before making any assumptions. That alone (suggestion) can be very dangerous to the person in question here.

& If by chance this man is NOT suffering from any psychological problems,
(btw, many mental disorders can cause symptoms that would mimic a "possession" of some sort)
he must WANT help if the problem is, in fact, spiritual.. He must acknowledge it first- or it's pointless.


You have to understand this before you can move forward to help your friend.

LOL! they do remember the possessed piano? Or the demon that chases Ryan all over. So much comedy in a 30 min show.

Well, this is all very interesting. I know nothing on the subject of rituals, so I may be of little help. Regardless, I do try to keep an open mind. Firstly, if you're friend is showing traits of some sort of posession, then perhaps a priest should see him. I've also read that shamans have a high sucess rate at allieviating many, if not all, of the symptoms. Curiosly, you haven't mentioned anything about unexplained nasty smells, and if anything, that is a textbook sign of a demonic presence.

When I read your first post, you mentioned your friend is getting regular visits from some person, who drains his energy and keeps him ill. I thought that person was real until your next post, so I didn;t understand why this person couldn;t have just been kept away from thsi guy, especially at night. Anyhow, (and far be it from me to know anything), if this guy is visited every 3 hours, wouldn't it stand to reason that this guy should be guarded so that the presence can't touch him, which in turn would weaken it, so you or whoever might be able to banish it later on? I'm sure there's alot of things that can be done to protect this guy during those times. As I mentioned before, I know nothing abt the details of these sorts of things, but perhaps some sort of ritual, blessing, a ring of salt, white candles, what have you, etc...might be the first step? I would assume the first order of business would be to protect your friend, which may also help weaken whatever is sucking his energies away.

It's a thought anyways... I am just trying to help, but please consult someone who knows about this sort of thing.

Yea, did'nt they bury the piano with the demons, too? So totally stupid, & hysterical at the same time.

Yea. I think they did. LOL

actually, I remember them busting that dad-gum thing into pieces, and saying a ritual.. According to Lorraine Warren, (demon queen), or else, she said it would return to torment the family...

First off no ones called you a noob about this event at all or a kid either....least i havnt seen. Anyways no one's attacking you simply put up a post and we're offering small knowledge to help you out....
it does sound like you know what your talking bout because i dont know LOL hell i'm 18, i'm good with Technology LOL
but anyways, i just think casting it into hell wont keep it from comming back...thats just my opinion...


I agree, you must look at possible factors that arnt paranormal, hell people who seem possessed often are diagnosed with Sever Schizophrenia, BiPolarism and Multiple Personality Syndrom (cant remeber the term for last one), infact a guy who seems perfectly fine was with his wife one night, they were having fun, havnt had any problems in life at all, when well he got up got and pulled out a gun, pointed it to his wifes forehead and shouted to her in a deeper tone "I'm going to blow your ****ing brains out woman," which the guy is diagnosed with Sever Schizophrenia and BiPolarism


agree
again were here to help you because you posted something asking assistance, you may not want to hear this information but it might just help you out even more in the long run.

To the OP,

If you are not a noob, then you would be well-aware that there are posts like this all the time. Many from 30 year old people. Not just "punk kids". Sorry if the idea of demons is a bit hard for many of us to swallow. Even us believers. Even harder still, to swallow, is to have someone claim they've studied demonology, claims to be well versed, and yet, they're asking for help on a forum.

The questions we have all asked, (if you have been around a while, you would know this) are all pretty much par for the course. Most of us don't want to comment until we know more.

Other than that, it sounds VERY dramatic.

For instance:


Awaiting what day? This sounds weird in itself.

Some of you need to read with the intent to understand instead of with the intent to feather your post counts.

My friend is NOT possessed. The individual making him ill is.

Am I speaking sputnik..., or did I show up when they released the tardery onto this page?

This guy is a lawyer. Have any of you a clue what you have to go through to pass the bar exam???

This isn't a long term thing. This is effecting him over the course of a few days.

People under attack from demonic entites are normally driven to the brink of sanity. So to have him tested now is redundant.

This man was of sound mind and body days ago. He isn't being visited by his tormentor every 3 hours. But daily.
And always in hours divisible by 3. Which is an insult to the holy trinity.

This place is a joke with the exception of a few of you. An obvious waste of my time.
I wonder why the most of you are even here.

You apparently aren't seriously into this noise.. Ya Ya the smell of excrement yada yada yada how trivial.

I offer you nuggets of gold and you scoff. I have not met the person I believe to be possessed.

There are factors that can not be disclosed with obvious good reason.

I came here looking for like minded individuals and all I see are self proclaimed whatever you all proclaim.

I thought wrong. I am clearly in the wrong place. I thought you people would be serious.

I thought there would be far more of you willing to make ready. I said I was not a practitioner.

I have only studied things of interest. Some of you might be surprised at what you could learn from me as I have seen the powers of good and evil at work throughout my lifetime.

Some of you are blatant disgraces to this entire thought process and just because you can post doesn't always mean that you should.

So I will stand fast and await someone that has some intelligence and a willingness to help instead of waste peoples valuable time.

****. I thought I found something here to get some resolve and all i found with the exception of a few are **** talkers that let people like me do the walking while you all sit back and pop tops on your pedastles.

I'm seeking real believers not posers.

When I find someone that seems trust worthy I will disclose further. You want more 411.
Prove your woth and your value. Other than that the line for the nay sayers Begins over at the cloven hoof.

I'm seeking someone that can match my knowledge and back it up with action that I do not have the knowledge to do.

I only have theories and given the large amounts of attitudes. None of you are woth the time it takes to type it to explain it.

So If any of you can help or at least are seriously willing to speak about the topic in this thread stop hijacking about your stupid piano.

I am %&^&&%^ serious. This is not a joke.

1st we go along and then we get along. The body of this thread thus far is a joke.

Thank You to those few that are serious. I don't have time for a hand job.

I need some hard hitting factoids. Which the majority of you here clearly lack.

Thanks. But no thanks.

So, we don't tell you what you want to hear, so you insult? Figures. Hard to take someone like that seriously. No one here has disrespected you. However, you have been quite harsh with us and all because we are not telling you what you want to hear.

Sorry we are too stupid for you. You're what - three posts in? and not making a good name for yourself. Have fun with your demons.

pedastle in point.

I'm not here for me doof. I'm here trying to help someone and if this is what passes for whats advertised.

It's a bigger joke than any of you even realize.

I have seen demon possession though it is rare--- it's often hard to tell if its an actual posession of it its just some mischivious demon playing games or worse-- a dark curse.

If you are a demonologists or have any knowledge of demons then you should know that USUALLY rebuking the demon in the name of christ and using holy water will drive it back into hell. Has worked for me before, but if this is a more serious case then I suggest that you contact a priest or some sort of religious leader lest you become posesed/cursed yourself.

Now that said, I feel the need to say not all DEMONS are evil. Demon is a loosely used word that describes anything not wearing wings and a halo. That much I do know. If I were you I would most certainly seek out the help of a pro....

You are right about most of the people on here. I wonder why those who refuse to believe anything waste their time *sigh*

It's a death curse I am dealing with.

I can banish or bind it but I don't trust that to extinguish the issue at hand.

The head of the family passed. His 1st born son followed. Then his 1st born son followed then then the wife passed and then the 3rd brother murdered the 2nd brother. Then the original 1st born sons wife passed.

Some real wrath of god type crap I'm messing with here. Just not the lord above.

Thank you GypsyWolf.

As for the imposters...., it's a poor bird that fouls its' own nest.

EDIT: I have not yet seen the man i believe to be wrong doer in person yet. I just started working on this today.

However the entity that is in charge of this fiasco. I knew in real life and found out upon his passing that he was leading a double life.

This is not mischevious. It's malicious.

The large part of these people aren't serious and make a mochery of the entire process.

That is true indeed. Yeah, I'm afraid you're dealing with some stuff that will have to be dealt with professionally

If Paranormal State saw a real demon they'd all crap themselves and run home to mommy to hide in their black painted gothed out bedroom with their black gloomy bear dolls and watch more anime. Seriously folks.

Well, Duh! Hahhahaaa....maybe you should spend a little time reviewing the reactions in this forum to serious paranormal inquiries, before you go presenting such a dramatic account. What did you think you would reap in here? Help? Pffft. This forum is more sceptics and atheists and non-believing trolls that just want to belittle you. And if you had done your research, you would have known that this is a tough crowd, not easily convinced, and requiring evidence for everything. And their answer to anything is usually psycho-analytical. There are a few fair minded research oriented people in here, believers and sceptics alike. But very few. Most are of a closed mind just occupying space here, waiting for the next sad story to ridicule. So the next time you come into a forum of this nature, I suggest you have done your research, and be armed with evidence, and a clean bill of health from a psychiatrist, and a medical general practitioner (and a brain surgeon couldn't hurt). Of course, even if you can afford all of that, you'll be dead before you can accomplish it. And then you can give us a REAL first hand account. As far as this forum being a joke...well, I find it amusing....SO WHAT. ~Jackal

You're right Jackal. I was absolutely wrong to assume.


Thanks for responding. Keep enjoying the forum.

I wish you well. Good luck with your dilemma. Sorry we couldn't/wouldn't help you. ~Jackal

Whoa,

You guys are assuming WAAAAY too much.

Who belittled besides you, Jackal, who is being much smarmy and sarcastic, and wolf and of course the OP. I have really got to wonder who is being serious here. I asked for more information, as did a few other people, suddenly this forum is full of non believers and sceptics and I forget what else you disapprove of. Oh right atheists. Way to be insulting Jackal. But I guess I should have expected that from ya.

This is not a serious thread. This OP is obviously trolling. Now he has what he was after. Isnt this fun Pyrex. Now I'm sure you feel all big in the britches.

Wonder why any of us wasted our time on this thread, other than those who wish to mock and be hurtful (yeah Jackal, you). What a silly thread.

Jackal, if you want to believe every joker who comes on here wanting us to jump up and go "OMG a DEEMUN, I'll go get my demon repellent NOW"... go ahead. If you wish to blindly believe some guy who has no credentials of past posts, you go right ahead.

As for me, I'm gonna go hang with the friendly people who don't come here to be silly and try to be hurtful. Have fun boys.

come throw your hellish tantrums in this thread aptly named 'demonic possession'

Oh... I saw your post. Did you assume I was referring to you? Hmm. Very telling. I don't automatically believe anything. And I don't just assume it is some psychological malnormity either. I like to hang back and just watch, for the most part. As I have for several months now. But since Pyrex was obviously disgruntled, I thought I would pop in and say something. It really is difficult for me to pass on phrases with "demon" or "possession" in them, because I know without looking that the OP is suffering some amount of ridicule or just plain not being believed. So like I said, I just popped in. You had some very kind words for me. I'm glad you missed me. As I mentioned, there are a few fair minded research oriented people in here. It speaks volumes that you don't associate yourself so, Hez. You truly were not even in my mind. But really, it hurts me more that you didn't miss me. I'll try harder to make an impact, I promise.

It comes down to WILL. If the victim in this case refuses the claimed authority of the aggressor to be able to do this, it must stop. That is the Law in these matters. You know this, your choice of handle for this forum reveals you fancy yourself to be able to withstand this sort of heat by force of will and knowledge you trust in.

The fact is nobody can do that alone, in this plane, just as the fact is this clown cannot do what you claim without the tacit permission of the alleged victims. He has no authority to pledge other souls, etc. That is just superstitions which require belief to work. Do not talk to me from your books and readings on Crowley from your teens. Crowley wrote about a lot of cr@p and in the end he got flushed along with it. That is not a recommended expert or advisor to consult. The doors have to be open for such a thing to enter and do anything. Close the freaking doors and get out of the kitchen. Vulnerability must be there for curses to work.

In these matters, if the victim needs help (as we mostly do) to bolster his/her WILL more, then the victim needs to become a believer and seek out the religion of his/her choice to gain that and repent or do whatever they need to do to bolster their WILL. They need to appeal to God/The Source, for rightness to prevail and their personal right to be free to be backed.

If the victim will not do this, then there is nothing to be done. Your tale is convoluted. If the wife is a target then she can leave and protect herself via this same means. She has the right.

Genuine cases are so extreme that people will do these things to escape such an attack. If they will not, then I doubt it and their own sincerity. Most people become so sickly fascinated by the process they watch it to the bitter end and eat popcorn.

The shirt business is a road you do not need to go down. Never play with fire to beat fire. That works for firemen, not in real spiritual warfare. I'd burn it myself and be rid of it.

The real victim here is you, as what you describe manifests via what you believe to be significant proofs and points of demonic activity. Demons are not bound to act in any way at all, such as hours divisible by three, etc. Deal with yourself and your fears and your own needs. Or do not. There is a price to be paid for everything.

Go talk to a genuine priest and quit thinking you know so much. You actually don't in this arena as it is not much by book learning and a whole lot by faith, which you do not have. This works on the mind, and you have become obsessed and demonstrate all the classic signs in your posts and attitude of oppression and growing delusion, but not possession. Go, get someone to talk to face to face who has the self protection to counsel in such things, and the time. I would also go and talk to a psychiatrist to help deal with this obviously extrememly stressful period in your life, before more is damaged, such as the marriage, relationships, and trusts. No responsible priest is going to help very much if you will not also see a psychiatrist as these events require it.

Or don't. The choice is your's. The ego will stop you, though. Your ego. That is what you need to overcome to get out. It is the harder part, though. We can change the world more easily than ourselves. Then again, we can change ourselves more easily than we can change other people.

That is just how it is.

Good day, counsellor. Nothing further.

NS

I came back to this thread to apologize to Jackal for being quite grumpy with him.

Jackal, I am very sorry to have been rude to you and lumping you in with the others like that.

Exactly. They battle the same kind in this post. The kind that don't exist.

Pyrex, you've posted your story here which is fine, but rather than consider or rebuke anything anyone has suggested you've responded with hostile comments, insults and obscenities because those commenting, not being 'real believers' in your eyes, are apparantly unworthy of a civil response.

This isn't a believers-only forum, not everyone is going to accept at face value anything that anyone else says. If you are not willing to be civil towards people who don't automatically subscribe to your beliefs then this forum is most definately not for you. You are asking people for a procedure to 'send an entity back to hell' - I would suggest seeking out a demonology forum because i'm afraid you are very unlikely to find that information here.

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