Full Version: Passion of the Christ
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| thats got any examples of this ? |
I saw it on the news. An elderly woman collapsed in the theaters and died of a heart attack/stroke in the hospital.
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| The fact that it deals with peoples religious beliefs is the reason the critics are talking about the blood and cruality. If they ever make a graphic movie about the Holocaust I would be willing to bet that there would be less commotion about the graphic violence. What Hitler and his men did to the jewish people was an outrage of such magnatude that even after seeing thousands of photo's I still can't grasp what these innocent people went through. But I think if a film was made, it wouldn't cause the stir that the Passion has. It deals with a mass of people of a faith, not a single person who is the savior to many. |
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Yea they did. Shindlers List was pretty graphic; between people heads getting blown away and the people in the camps. But yea as you sad it didnt create quite a stirr
If I remember it was praised by the critics
Well, not at first. In the Star I remember Ebert saying it was violent and bloody.etc... but for some reason himself and Ropert are now giving it "Two thumbs way up."
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thats  got any examples of this ? |
Thanlks for the links Siphis. See Xenojjin im not a crazy liar.
We are going to see the movie Monday at 1:00pm CST. I will let you know what
I think later.
I think later.
I think most of you here who have posted their comments are unaware that Mel Gibson is neither Catholic nor Christian. If you think i'm wrong find out for yourself.
He has built his own church with his own ideas of a religious system that follows God and Jesus. He has controversial issues with other religious systems, which is why he has created his own.
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Other interesting events that occured in the making of The Passion of Christ:
1. The actor that protrayed jesus, was hit by a lightning; he was holding an umbrella on hill somewhere, where they were shooting. While, the Assistant Director was hit by a lightning on two occasions.
View: Lightning strikes Gibson's 'Christ' | Source: CNN
2. The actor who protrayed jesus, was accidentally hit by the whip while being filmed on the cross [Edit: I don't think it was while he was on the cross but while he was holding the cross or being tortured]. The stunt man pretending to whip "Jesus", but actually went on target and hit the actor.
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Those of you who have joined with other peoples thoughts of Mel Gibson's Film being anti-semetic, think again.
"Critics have blasted Gibson for writing, directing and personally financing a $25 million film that they say lays blame for Jesus' crucifixion squarely with Jewish leaders. But Jim Caviezel [(Actor portraying Jesus)] vigorously defends the director. "
"The gal that plays Mary [actress Maia Morgenstern] is Jewish and her parents were in the Holocaust. Talk to her. There are Romanian and Jewish actors in this film who say unequivocally that this film is not anti-Semitic."
Romanian actress Morgenstern recently rejected the notion that the film would fuel anti-Semitism, telling the AP: "Mel Gibson is an artist, a director. He never imposed his religious convictions on anyone."
View: 'Passion' Filming Takes a Toll on Jim Caviezel | Source: FOXNews.com
He has built his own church with his own ideas of a religious system that follows God and Jesus. He has controversial issues with other religious systems, which is why he has created his own.
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Other interesting events that occured in the making of The Passion of Christ:
1. The actor that protrayed jesus, was hit by a lightning; he was holding an umbrella on hill somewhere, where they were shooting. While, the Assistant Director was hit by a lightning on two occasions.
View: Lightning strikes Gibson's 'Christ' | Source: CNN
2. The actor who protrayed jesus, was accidentally hit by the whip while being filmed on the cross [Edit: I don't think it was while he was on the cross but while he was holding the cross or being tortured]. The stunt man pretending to whip "Jesus", but actually went on target and hit the actor.
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Those of you who have joined with other peoples thoughts of Mel Gibson's Film being anti-semetic, think again.
"Critics have blasted Gibson for writing, directing and personally financing a $25 million film that they say lays blame for Jesus' crucifixion squarely with Jewish leaders. But Jim Caviezel [(Actor portraying Jesus)] vigorously defends the director. "
"The gal that plays Mary [actress Maia Morgenstern] is Jewish and her parents were in the Holocaust. Talk to her. There are Romanian and Jewish actors in this film who say unequivocally that this film is not anti-Semitic."
Romanian actress Morgenstern recently rejected the notion that the film would fuel anti-Semitism, telling the AP: "Mel Gibson is an artist, a director. He never imposed his religious convictions on anyone."
View: 'Passion' Filming Takes a Toll on Jim Caviezel | Source: FOXNews.com
I have finally seen the movie, however I got in with my family and relatives. Since it was rated 18A--i'm 17 still. 
I thought it was gruesome, torturous, and bloody. Poor Jesus or Jesuah(Pronounciation, in movie), he endured so much for one man alone. You'd think he die after being scourged almost to death. I'd probably pass out after the first 20 whips.
. Anyways, I don't want to kill the movie for some of you, so i'll be descreet for now. 
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An article for those interested in deeper outlook on The Passion of the Christ
[The Passion of The Christ] Will Mel Gibson's Passion of Christ help save Christianity?
Interesting passage from above Article:
Yet the most severe criticism of Gibson has come from liberal, ecumenical Christians. Gibson belongs to a small sect, the Old Catholics, who left the Church more than a century ago over the issue of papal infallibility and have been out of communion with other Catholics ever since. Hence Gibson is not bound by the constantly evolving Catholic doctrine on Judaism and the Holocaust.
What transformed The Passion from being seen as an eccentric star's hobbyhorse was last December's story, emanating from the Vatican, that Pope John Paul II had been shown a rough cut and had endorsed it with the words: "It is as it was." This gnomic utterance, though denied by officials, instantly polarised opinion.
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Oh, there was something that was said in the Movie, during the flashback in the Last Supper. "A Helper". For those who remembered this word said. Who exactly was the helper, if jesus or in the movie script, spoke a helper than he couldn't be speaking of himself or he'd be speaking in third person. And if this helper was God, he would of just said God. I was wondering whether this helper, would be another person that would descend from god, with given orders to help us at a time of great great suffering and chaos. But who, if not jesus?
I thought it was gruesome, torturous, and bloody. Poor Jesus or Jesuah(Pronounciation, in movie), he endured so much for one man alone. You'd think he die after being scourged almost to death. I'd probably pass out after the first 20 whips.
. Anyways, I don't want to kill the movie for some of you, so i'll be descreet for now. =======
An article for those interested in deeper outlook on The Passion of the Christ
[The Passion of The Christ] Will Mel Gibson's Passion of Christ help save Christianity?
Interesting passage from above Article:
Yet the most severe criticism of Gibson has come from liberal, ecumenical Christians. Gibson belongs to a small sect, the Old Catholics, who left the Church more than a century ago over the issue of papal infallibility and have been out of communion with other Catholics ever since. Hence Gibson is not bound by the constantly evolving Catholic doctrine on Judaism and the Holocaust.
What transformed The Passion from being seen as an eccentric star's hobbyhorse was last December's story, emanating from the Vatican, that Pope John Paul II had been shown a rough cut and had endorsed it with the words: "It is as it was." This gnomic utterance, though denied by officials, instantly polarised opinion.
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Oh, there was something that was said in the Movie, during the flashback in the Last Supper. "A Helper". For those who remembered this word said. Who exactly was the helper, if jesus or in the movie script, spoke a helper than he couldn't be speaking of himself or he'd be speaking in third person. And if this helper was God, he would of just said God. I was wondering whether this helper, would be another person that would descend from god, with given orders to help us at a time of great great suffering and chaos. But who, if not jesus?
We went to see the movie today. I wasn't particularly fond of it. I thought the violence was way over the top and that the entire point of the crucifixion was
missed by the over-abundance of violence.
I had been led to believe by Mel Gibson's interview that this was about the 'passion' of Jesus Christ...it wasn't...it was about the passion of Mel Gibson!
I was also led to believe that the movie was a very close portrayal of the scriptures. Again...it wasn't. No where in the New Testament does it even suggest that Jesus was scourged in the way the movie portrayed. While the actual crucifixion was a completely horrific experience....the violence of the movie was (as is par for Hollywood) way over done.
missed by the over-abundance of violence.
I had been led to believe by Mel Gibson's interview that this was about the 'passion' of Jesus Christ...it wasn't...it was about the passion of Mel Gibson!
I was also led to believe that the movie was a very close portrayal of the scriptures. Again...it wasn't. No where in the New Testament does it even suggest that Jesus was scourged in the way the movie portrayed. While the actual crucifixion was a completely horrific experience....the violence of the movie was (as is par for Hollywood) way over done.
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| Actually the majority of Christians are going to see it for religious purposes, most aren't offended by the blood at all. |
I completely disagree with this statement. Most Christians are going to see the
movie because of the violent portrayal of the crucifixion! The only difference
between our society and that of the Romans is that we are more civilized in our quest for blood and violence. If this movie had been hyped as anything other than what it was, Gibson would probably have not even made back the 50 million he spent in making the film. That the movie is so popular can only be viewed as an indictment of our entire culture. We are just as blood thirsty as the Romans....we just have different ways of acheiving our blood lust.
I give the movie a B-.
I did like the fact that it was in the original language with English sub-titles.
Again, I will say that the entire point of the crucifixion was glossed over for the
sake of making the most violent portrayal of the event possible. I doubt that Jesus suffered anything near the extreme vision of Mr. Gibson.
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| No where in the New Testament does it even suggest that Jesus was scourged in the way the movie portrayed. While the actual crucifixion was a completely horrific experience....the violence of the movie was (as is par for Hollywood) way over done. |
What do you think the term scourged means?
It is a whipping with a device that resembles a cat-o-nine tales.
The movie depicted the violence the romans used on humans very well. It was not the purified version you see in modern churches. The Romans were flat out cruel and masters at dealing punishment. Historically, the Romans have invented more ways to put people to death than any other before or since.
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| The movie depicted the violence the romans used on humans very well. It was not the purified version you see in modern churches. The Romans were flat out cruel and masters at dealing punishment. Historically, the Romans have invented more ways to put people to death than any other before or since. |
I am not saying that Jesus wasn't scourged in that manner. Rather he wasn't
scourged to that degree. I don't see anywhere in the scriptures where Jesus was scourged almost to the point of death. Do you? Yes he was scourged, but over every inch of his entire body? To the degree depicted in the film? I doubt it.
In historical documents, the Romans recorded that the average man would die at 40 lashes, Jesus recieved 39. It was Roman practice to cause the body to bleed everywhere they could. Back buttocks, legs, chest, arms and face in some cases.
This is where a lot of people have renewed their faith in him, because he suffered an immense amount of torture at the hands of the Romans. Most people would have fainted after about 20 lashes of a Roman whip. No where in the bible does it say he fainted or cried out.
I again say that has a historical depiction, I feel it is accurate.
This is where a lot of people have renewed their faith in him, because he suffered an immense amount of torture at the hands of the Romans. Most people would have fainted after about 20 lashes of a Roman whip. No where in the bible does it say he fainted or cried out.
I again say that has a historical depiction, I feel it is accurate.
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| In historical documents, the Romans recorded that the average man would die at 40 lashes, Jesus recieved 39. |
Can you please supply me with the historical document that says Jesus received 39 lashes? Thanks.
If the movies graphic portrayal of a graphic event instilled greater faith in Christians...so be it. It didn't do that much for me. I get teary eyed when I
consciously think of the crucifixion and what it means to me. It was a Hollywood movie. No more, no less. It certainly doesn't fit into the category of 'spreading the gospel'. At least not in my opinion.
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| I again say that has a historical depiction, I feel it is accurate. |
Was the absence of scourging of the other two crucifixion participants equally accurate? Or Hollywood hype to magnify the violence of Jesus' crucifixion?
I thought it seemed accurate as well . It protrayed the overall meaning so the little things dont really matter much .
I heard that certain priests was shown the video before it was aired in the Theaters. They had to analayze the movie and determine whether or not it was religiously appropriate. And by appropriate i mean more or less correct.
In the movie Jesus says something about no one having the will to kill him but only himself, which seems reasonable enough for him to endure such a torturous punishment. At the end of crucification, in the movie, he decides for himself to more or less end his physical suffering. That scene is still inside my head, like a bad memory that recounts itself.
Then God begins his literally ground-shaking remorse.
In the movie Jesus says something about no one having the will to kill him but only himself, which seems reasonable enough for him to endure such a torturous punishment. At the end of crucification, in the movie, he decides for himself to more or less end his physical suffering.
That scene is still inside my head, like a bad memory that recounts itself.Then God begins his literally ground-shaking remorse.
a woman died watching it, that scares me!
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| a woman died watching it, that scares me! |
Two women.
And I am off to see the movie right now. Wish me luck
(warning, im goin to spoil some parts)
i saw the movie last week. it was intense. i did like it. my friend, who is catholic, thought everything was accurate except a few thing. i think she said when the queen lady handed mary the towels and when the crow poked the guys eye out at the end. i think that was it.
also, can anyone name the guy who was with mary thru most of the movie even at the end when jesus dies. when jesus says something like son behold mother, mother behold son. she couldnt find his name anywhere.
but a very intense movie. my girlfriend was ballin her eyes out the whole movie. i teared up then mary went to help him when he falls.
sorry for spoiling some parts.
i saw the movie last week. it was intense. i did like it. my friend, who is catholic, thought everything was accurate except a few thing. i think she said when the queen lady handed mary the towels and when the crow poked the guys eye out at the end. i think that was it.
also, can anyone name the guy who was with mary thru most of the movie even at the end when jesus dies. when jesus says something like son behold mother, mother behold son. she couldnt find his name anywhere.
but a very intense movie. my girlfriend was ballin her eyes out the whole movie. i teared up then mary went to help him when he falls.
sorry for spoiling some parts.
Well, it is easy Jesus to die for our sins (sh** load of good it do us) when he knows he will be resurrected..... 
The question is, will Jesus make another return or another one of God's messengers?
Another saviour? In the movie, and in the bible, the Jewish High priests and their followers did not see there Saviour right in front of their eyes, now if our Saviour is right here with us as we speak. How would we know that he or she (our next "Helper") is here.
Another saviour? In the movie, and in the bible, the Jewish High priests and their followers did not see there Saviour right in front of their eyes, now if our Saviour is right here with us as we speak. How would we know that he or she (our next "Helper") is here.
| QUOTE (KayEl @ Mar 11 2004, 05:26 AM) |
| Well, it is easy Jesus to die for our sins (sh** load of good it do us) when he knows he will be resurrected..... |
what!?! easy? did you SEE The Passion??? do you kno what he went through?
He was beaten and scourged- basically had the flesh ripped off his back and legs, with a whip that was made of strips of leather with sharp things on the end- and, being in Jerusalem, every time he fell, sand would have gotten rubbed into the wounds. and he probably fell a lot, on his way to the cross, since he was beaten nearly to death then forced to carry his cross. Nails driven straight through his hands and feet. And he had to go through all this, knowing he didnt deserve any of it. The only man to never sin, and he had to endure pain beyond anything you could imagine.
AND YOU THINK THAT WAS EASY???????????
I saw the movie yesterday. I thought it was mostly accurate, there were a few little things, (Claudia, the raven, etc) that werent, but all of the important stuff was. It is so incredible and humbling and completely amazing to me that he went through that torment to save scum like me
There is little need for this post, as I will not see the movie for now.
However, this is the most illuminating board, to my short time here.
You are all very able to consider and respond to such matters,
whether they be basic or profound.
The history of the world is not my best subject. But to my imagining,
waves of populations and armies swept the ancient world.
It was assimilate or be assimilated to the Roman view.
I believe they got that from the Greeks, as they replaced them.
After all, it cost money and men to mount an army, and one needs
other matters tended to- farming, industry of the day.
So, they opted to incorporate new peoples, and '"Romanize" them.
They could serve as a barrier to the outside world, pay taxes,
and contribute in that way.
So, the empire tried to civilize the world, their way.
But, just in case, they held out examples of defiance for all to fear.
They had very public demonstrations to prevent disruption.
An ounce of prevention... was ghastly for those persecuted or punished.
It was part of history. Were the hoards they swept the plains
of central asia, pillaging and plundering, any less violent at times?
Perhaps the example of Christ is somewhat unique. The Greeks
preceeded the Romans, who gave way to the middle ages ~ 400 A.D.
Rome fell apart. But one could conjecture- would Christianity have
preserved it ? What about the hoards, and the Vikings, that
were the enemies of Rome? Would they have converted?
So many events, and the Rennaisance, and indivdual thinking and creativity.
Still, the story of Christ persisted. It created institutions, who both abused
and aided people. But, maybe that is the natural way.
By the same token, I have read some stories of events in the name of religion,
that show the capacity of mob action.
My sister's husband is a missionary, who speaks and travels in ~ Russia.
They are very devout, and make good tolerant neighbors.
As for me, I do believe in higher 'life forms'. I had a dream of Christ
in a blue robe. He told me come with him, and I rose beyond the bed.
I was very puzzled as to what to do, and begged it to end.
It was disconcerting, for it seemed real.
He warned me, gave me a taste of reality, and it scared me into a sweat.
Everything he said came true. He spoke in general terms, but nonetheless,
life had events beyond my abilities to cope. I would say there is more than
meets the eye. I think the person of Christ is a spirit, and has something
to do with an over-dimension to the Universe. It does not dissolve
the planets, nor stop supernovae, nor arrest the passage of time.
Any film about it is just another instance of someone wondering about
the meaning and realization we may have regarding a trancendent being.
However, this is the most illuminating board, to my short time here.
You are all very able to consider and respond to such matters,
whether they be basic or profound.
The history of the world is not my best subject. But to my imagining,
waves of populations and armies swept the ancient world.
It was assimilate or be assimilated to the Roman view.
I believe they got that from the Greeks, as they replaced them.
After all, it cost money and men to mount an army, and one needs
other matters tended to- farming, industry of the day.
So, they opted to incorporate new peoples, and '"Romanize" them.
They could serve as a barrier to the outside world, pay taxes,
and contribute in that way.
So, the empire tried to civilize the world, their way.
But, just in case, they held out examples of defiance for all to fear.
They had very public demonstrations to prevent disruption.
An ounce of prevention... was ghastly for those persecuted or punished.
It was part of history. Were the hoards they swept the plains
of central asia, pillaging and plundering, any less violent at times?
Perhaps the example of Christ is somewhat unique. The Greeks
preceeded the Romans, who gave way to the middle ages ~ 400 A.D.
Rome fell apart. But one could conjecture- would Christianity have
preserved it ? What about the hoards, and the Vikings, that
were the enemies of Rome? Would they have converted?
So many events, and the Rennaisance, and indivdual thinking and creativity.
Still, the story of Christ persisted. It created institutions, who both abused
and aided people. But, maybe that is the natural way.
By the same token, I have read some stories of events in the name of religion,
that show the capacity of mob action.
My sister's husband is a missionary, who speaks and travels in ~ Russia.
They are very devout, and make good tolerant neighbors.
As for me, I do believe in higher 'life forms'. I had a dream of Christ
in a blue robe. He told me come with him, and I rose beyond the bed.
I was very puzzled as to what to do, and begged it to end.
It was disconcerting, for it seemed real.
He warned me, gave me a taste of reality, and it scared me into a sweat.
Everything he said came true. He spoke in general terms, but nonetheless,
life had events beyond my abilities to cope. I would say there is more than
meets the eye. I think the person of Christ is a spirit, and has something
to do with an over-dimension to the Universe. It does not dissolve
the planets, nor stop supernovae, nor arrest the passage of time.
Any film about it is just another instance of someone wondering about
the meaning and realization we may have regarding a trancendent being.
Shun. Very nice. Well put
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| Well, it is easy Jesus to die for our sins (sh** load of good it do us) when he knows he will be resurrected..... |
First of all...thanks Stillcrazy for the post and the link...very informative...I still think the violence of the movie was a bit over the top, but then it is Hollywood.
KayEl.....Jesus was a man. He did know he would be resurrected. He believed that he would. He was a man just like us. The only difference was that he was not hampered by the memory of the sin of the garden.
He didn't have to go through with the crucifixion.
The good news is that you can know that you will be resurrected as well. If you are interested PM me.
joc
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| First of all...thanks Stillcrazy for the post and the link...very informative...I still think the violence of the movie was a bit over the top, but then it is Hollywood. |
Your welcome Sir. Glad to be of assistance.
I don't think it was too 'hollywood' as most of those yahoos rejected Gibsons film. But IMO I think it is accurate. It has helped me understand my faith a little more.
I thought it was well done.
I agree with Stillcrazy. The film was an accurate description of the torturous pain that the man went through. Gibson evoked this thought purposely to help people understand what Jesus did for us. He didn't do it to flare anti-semitism or any of that crap because hatred is not the way. If you show hatred towards a group because of race or religion then evil is winning.
I thought the film was a masterpiece!!!
I thought the film was a masterpiece!!!
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| I thought the film was a masterpiece!!! |
Amen.... er..... ah...... I mean I agree.
I feel Mr. Gibson, tried to express his feelings and his understanding of the death of Christ. The movie was very well done. There may have been a few things that were added for dramatic effect. (Such as Christ falling off the bridge and being pulled up by the Roman soldiers) But all in all very well done and delivered.
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| As for me, I do believe in higher 'life forms'. I had a dream of Christ in a blue robe. |
In a blue robe, interesting. Do you know why he was wearing blue and not white?
| QUOTE (shun @ Mar 16 2004, 08:45 PM) |
He warned me, gave me a taste of reality, and it scared me into a sweat. |
A reality of future events?
| QUOTE (shun @ Mar 16 2004, 08:45 PM) |
| Everything he said came true. He spoke in general terms, but nonetheless, life had events beyond my abilities to cope. |
What exactly did he say that came true?
| QUOTE (shun @ Mar 16 2004, 08:45 PM) |
| I would say there is more than meets the eye. I think the person of Christ is a spirit, and has something to do with an over-dimension to the Universe. It does not dissolve the planets, nor stop supernovae, nor arrest the passage of time. |
He did not explain the "truth" to you? Are you a religious person? In the movie the wife of the roman governor, said that she was able to hear the truth of god, for she held the qualities needed to recieve these truths. Do you?
| QUOTE (shun @ Mar 16 2004, 08:45 PM) |
| Any film about it is just another instance of someone wondering about the meaning and realization we may have regarding a trancendent being. |
I agree, there is more things to the universe than what meets the eye. Take for example, ultraviolet light, we cannot see them but with technology we can. If this technology wasn't created, we would never have been able to see what once could not have been.
| QUOTE (stillcrazy @ Mar 6 2004, 06:20 AM) |
| The fact that it deals with peoples religious beliefs is the reason the critics are talking about the blood and cruality. If they ever make a graphic movie about the Holocaust I would be willing to bet that there would be less commotion about the graphic violence. What Hitler and his men did to the jewish people was an outrage of such magnatude that even after seeing thousands of photo's I still can't grasp what these innocent people went through. But I think if a film was made, it wouldn't cause the stir that the Passion has. It deals with a mass of people of a faith, not a single person who is the savior to many. |
This may just be one of the best posts
I have EVER read here!
Amen! stillcrazy
Gazz
Thanks Gazz.
The movie isn't out in Norway yet.
I'm really looking forward to see it. I think it's going to be a very strong excpirience. And I'll probably cry my heart out.
Since I'm a christian this film will be more like a documentary to me..
I'm really looking forward to see it. I think it's going to be a very strong excpirience. And I'll probably cry my heart out.
Since I'm a christian this film will be more like a documentary to me..
Well I'm glad my post had such a great response! 
I liked the movie...But does anyone have any proof of if the temple-thing really did cave in like that? I've been wondering. And the raven-thing is an accurate demonstration, as the Romans attracted ravens to the crosses so they would eat the punished alive. And if you think about it, Mel Gibson could have gone farther. Did you know that a lot of times the Romans disemboweled victims while they were on the cross? So before you complain, remember that this is an accurate description of what happened, and that it's not as bad as it COULD have been!
I liked the movie...But does anyone have any proof of if the temple-thing really did cave in like that? I've been wondering. And the raven-thing is an accurate demonstration, as the Romans attracted ravens to the crosses so they would eat the punished alive. And if you think about it, Mel Gibson could have gone farther. Did you know that a lot of times the Romans disemboweled victims while they were on the cross? So before you complain, remember that this is an accurate description of what happened, and that it's not as bad as it COULD have been!
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| But does anyone have any proof of if the temple-thing really did cave in like that? |
Yes, if you look back into historical proof, the temple in Jerusalem really did rip in two during a large "earth quake"
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Yes, if you look back into historical proof, the temple in Jerusalem really did rip in two during a large "earth quake" |
Exactly, it was an earthquake; a natural disaster... arent they taking it out of the theaters on Easter?
| QUOTE (joc @ Mar 17 2004, 01:45 AM) | ||
First of all...thanks Stillcrazy for the post and the link...very informative...I still think the violence of the movie was a bit over the top, but then it is Hollywood. |
I didnt think it was over the top, I didnt even think it was gory (only ripped up flesh/blood/the seeing of bones) no big deal, especially when compared to other movies...
| QUOTE (Joe013 @ Mar 31 2004, 06:39 PM) |
| And the raven-thing is an accurate demonstration, as the Romans attracted ravens to the crosses so they would eat the punished alive. |
They were crows I believe, and I think that they came by themselves to feed on the corpses just as vultures do...
Just went to see it. I did think the violence was dwelt on a bit, but as a Catholic I agree with previous posts. You know about the crucifixion but this brings it right home and hits you in the face. You suddenly realise what this man went through.
All he did was preach kindness, to love your neighbour, to treat all men (and women) as equals, to not give way to violence but have tolerance, patience and understanding. And for that they crucified him! For that!
As for the film bein anti-semetic, I think the Italians came worse off! My friend and I were disappointed that he didn't spend more time on the resurrection. That's the fun pretty bit with angels.
I only go to church occasionally (with the great lethargy of a student) but after this film I thought, so church is dull, that;s nothing after what He went through, so I decided to go. Even if you don't agree with organised religion, without it no one would teach people about Jesus and what he said. Even if powermongers try and twist the bible for their own ends the words are there for everyone to see - Love and tolerance and kindness and patience. That's all I need to know to know that he was a force for good in the world.
All he did was preach kindness, to love your neighbour, to treat all men (and women) as equals, to not give way to violence but have tolerance, patience and understanding. And for that they crucified him! For that!
As for the film bein anti-semetic, I think the Italians came worse off! My friend and I were disappointed that he didn't spend more time on the resurrection. That's the fun pretty bit with angels.
I only go to church occasionally (with the great lethargy of a student) but after this film I thought, so church is dull, that;s nothing after what He went through, so I decided to go. Even if you don't agree with organised religion, without it no one would teach people about Jesus and what he said. Even if powermongers try and twist the bible for their own ends the words are there for everyone to see - Love and tolerance and kindness and patience. That's all I need to know to know that he was a force for good in the world.
I saw this film last sunday after debating wether to go and see it at all and was very surprised that it wasn't(IMO) as violent as every one has been saying.
What I will say is that it touched me very deeply in certain parts of the film and I did actually shed a tear or two.
As to it being anti semetic , well I didn't see any of that going on in the film , but I will say that the behaviour of the Roman soldiers was sickening(Yes it's only a film) and that Pilate was portrayed in a sympathetic light, wich is questionable as he written as a bully and a coward in some historical documents
The scenes of violence were needed to tell the story and at times it was hard not to turn away. And some of the scenes were not historically correct (veronicas veil is a roman catholic myth) and the film is based on the visions of an augustinian nun by the name of Anne Catherine Emmerich. (1774-1824) who was supposedly to have had visions and wrote them down. This book was titled "The Dolorous Passion" .
'The Dolorous Passion' contains her visions of the suffering of Christ. If her visions were accepted as nothing more than imaginative reconstructions of what the sufferings of Christ may have been like, there would be no problem. But many people see them as 'revealing to us more information about the Life of Jesus Christ besides what we read of Him in the Bible' . Maybe she did see all these things or maybe she was just delusional??????. Who knows.
Whatever the case for or against this film, it is in fact one mans interperitation of the death of christ and is open to debate historically.
But then again is the story of christ (as told in the bible) actually the full story?.
We may never know unless we go to that great cloud in the sky.
What I will say is that it touched me very deeply in certain parts of the film and I did actually shed a tear or two.
As to it being anti semetic , well I didn't see any of that going on in the film , but I will say that the behaviour of the Roman soldiers was sickening(Yes it's only a film) and that Pilate was portrayed in a sympathetic light, wich is questionable as he written as a bully and a coward in some historical documents
The scenes of violence were needed to tell the story and at times it was hard not to turn away. And some of the scenes were not historically correct (veronicas veil is a roman catholic myth) and the film is based on the visions of an augustinian nun by the name of Anne Catherine Emmerich. (1774-1824) who was supposedly to have had visions and wrote them down. This book was titled "The Dolorous Passion" .
'The Dolorous Passion' contains her visions of the suffering of Christ. If her visions were accepted as nothing more than imaginative reconstructions of what the sufferings of Christ may have been like, there would be no problem. But many people see them as 'revealing to us more information about the Life of Jesus Christ besides what we read of Him in the Bible' . Maybe she did see all these things or maybe she was just delusional??????. Who knows.
Whatever the case for or against this film, it is in fact one mans interperitation of the death of christ and is open to debate historically.
But then again is the story of christ (as told in the bible) actually the full story?.
We may never know unless we go to that great cloud in the sky.
Nice post Ellechim. So the temple really did cave in? Creepy! I think if I was the Roman's I would have pooed my pants haha. And sorry, I thought crows and ravens were the same thing. Jeez people no need to be so freakin picky!
| QUOTE (Joe013 @ Apr 5 2004, 12:27 PM) |
| And sorry, I thought crows and ravens were the same thing. Jeez people no need to be so freakin picky! |
Difference between Crows and Ravens.
While both birds are part of the same general family there is a slight difference.
The Difference is the number of pinon feathers on the wings. (The feathers located at the very tip of the wing)
A crow has 4 pinon feathers while a Raven has five. So the difference between a crow and a raven is......
A matter of a pinon.
That was a joke folks.
| QUOTE (stillcrazy @ Apr 5 2004, 02:42 PM) |
| A crow has 4 pinon feathers while a Raven has five. So the difference between a crow and a raven is...... A matter of a pinon. |
Just kidding. Good joke but i'm not one to Rave'n'joke about it.
Nice to know the difference about these obviously distinct species.
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To get on topic. I have been hearing a lot about Jesus on the news lately, interesting stuff.
I dont mean to be mean( 
) but whos noticed when you make a movie or a book about Jesus Christ, many believers will get angery and make your book/movie controversal, even though it appeals to them if they had a different attitude?
) but whos noticed when you make a movie or a book about Jesus Christ, many believers will get angery and make your book/movie controversal, even though it appeals to them if they had a different attitude?
I'm gonna see the movie this afternoon !!! Lookin forward to it
'Passion' Breaks Records on First Night in Italy
ROME (Reuters) - Mel Gibson's controversial film on Christ's last days broke all box office records for a first night showing in Italy, its distributor said on Thursday.
"The Passion of The Christ" took 1.22 million euros ($1.5 million) on Wednesday, beating the 1.11 million first-night takings for "Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King," it said.
In Italy, no viewer restrictions have been imposed on the violent film about Jesus Christ's last hours.
It has stirred controversy in many countries where it has been shown, with critics denouncing it as anti-Semitic and a distortion of Christian teaching.
ROME (Reuters) - Mel Gibson's controversial film on Christ's last days broke all box office records for a first night showing in Italy, its distributor said on Thursday.
"The Passion of The Christ" took 1.22 million euros ($1.5 million) on Wednesday, beating the 1.11 million first-night takings for "Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King," it said.
In Italy, no viewer restrictions have been imposed on the violent film about Jesus Christ's last hours.
It has stirred controversy in many countries where it has been shown, with critics denouncing it as anti-Semitic and a distortion of Christian teaching.
DEAR EVERYONE,
ONE THING THAT I WANT TO EXPLAIN,
REPLYING TO Blue-Scorpion's QUESTION, WHICH I'M QUOTING HERE: "Oh, there was something that was said in the Movie, during the flashback in the Last Supper. "A Helper". For those who remembered this word said. Who exactly was the helper, if jesus or in the movie script, spoke a helper than he couldn't be speaking of himself or he'd be speaking in third person. And if this helper was God, he would of just said God. I was wondering whether this helper, would be another person that would descend from god, with given orders to help us at a time of great great suffering and chaos. But who, if not jesus?"
TO KNOW WHO THE HELPER REALLY IS, VISIT THIS ARTICLE:
Removed The link, unsurprisingly, was to an aggressively religious page. Proselytizing is not encouraged on this forum.
YOU WILL BE AMAZED TO KNOW THE TRUTH,
AND, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE ARTICLE, GO AND SEE THE MOVIE "PASSION OF THE CHRIST", AND LISTEN TO THE ARAMAIC WORD THAT JESUS SAID WHEN HE SPOKE ABOUT THE HELPER..
MAY GOD GUIDE ALL OF US TO THE TRUTH, AMEN.
ONE THING THAT I WANT TO EXPLAIN,
REPLYING TO Blue-Scorpion's QUESTION, WHICH I'M QUOTING HERE: "Oh, there was something that was said in the Movie, during the flashback in the Last Supper. "A Helper". For those who remembered this word said. Who exactly was the helper, if jesus or in the movie script, spoke a helper than he couldn't be speaking of himself or he'd be speaking in third person. And if this helper was God, he would of just said God. I was wondering whether this helper, would be another person that would descend from god, with given orders to help us at a time of great great suffering and chaos. But who, if not jesus?"
TO KNOW WHO THE HELPER REALLY IS, VISIT THIS ARTICLE:
Removed The link, unsurprisingly, was to an aggressively religious page. Proselytizing is not encouraged on this forum.
YOU WILL BE AMAZED TO KNOW THE TRUTH,
AND, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE ARTICLE, GO AND SEE THE MOVIE "PASSION OF THE CHRIST", AND LISTEN TO THE ARAMAIC WORD THAT JESUS SAID WHEN HE SPOKE ABOUT THE HELPER..
MAY GOD GUIDE ALL OF US TO THE TRUTH, AMEN.
| QUOTE (sherifm00 @ Apr 9 2004, 03:19 PM) |
| He spoke about the helper... |
Thanks for that url, Sherifm00. It was very enlightening.
Unfortunately it was removed. However, I understand how it is seen as proselytizing.I agree with some people who thinks that learning from different religions is a good guideline to a more broader-mind where morals and ethics are concerned.
| QUOTE |
| Jealousy and hatred towards anyone will always make one degrade the one that is hated. |
This is true. The war in Iraq is really confusing, especially when these Muslims seem confused about their purpose in the war. Do they understand what exactly they are doing??? They are not helping, they seem like a militant group who is now prasing this new cleric, one who committed a sin, which was killing another cleric.
| QUOTE |
| The Muslim view of the phrase, "He joined His Father in Heaven," is that Jesus never joined God, but is in the second heaven waiting until God sends him on his "second coming". Also, it should be pointed out that Muslim's do not praise even Muhammad's name although it means "the praised one". |
So Muhammad was the Helper that I've questioned about, if what was written on the site is the truth. This quote also points out that Jesus will come back...
I can't wait...
I knew Muslims weren't as bad as people speak of. My father thinks badly about them,
. I don't agree with my dad, i'm an optimistic person. I believe, in general, everyone has good intentions.
'Passion' Reclaims Top Box-Office Spot
By DAVID GERMAIN, AP Movie Writer
LOS ANGELES - Many Christians made "The Passion of the Christ" a part of their Easter weekend, lifting the crucifixion saga back to the top box-office spot with $17.1 million.
Mel Gibson's bloody retelling of Christ's final hours raised its domestic total since opening on Ash Wednesday to $354.8 million, passing "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers" for the No. 8 spot on the all-time domestic charts, just behind "Jurassic Park."
"The Passion" had been No. 1 its first three weekends, then fell back in the pack for the next three before claiming the top spot again.
"That's unprecedented. I've never seen that before. 'The Passion' is just rewriting box-office history," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box-office tracker Exhibitor Relations. "This is a holy day, and this movie is tailor-made for a weekend like this. It's not just a movie. It's a religious experience for many people."
"The Passion" easily fended off a rush of new movies. Disney's costly historical epic "The Alamo" opened weakly with $9.2 million, tying for No. 3 with Cedric the Entertainer's comedy "Johnson Family Vacation," according to studio estimates Sunday.
Full Article
By DAVID GERMAIN, AP Movie Writer
LOS ANGELES - Many Christians made "The Passion of the Christ" a part of their Easter weekend, lifting the crucifixion saga back to the top box-office spot with $17.1 million.
Mel Gibson's bloody retelling of Christ's final hours raised its domestic total since opening on Ash Wednesday to $354.8 million, passing "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers" for the No. 8 spot on the all-time domestic charts, just behind "Jurassic Park."
"The Passion" had been No. 1 its first three weekends, then fell back in the pack for the next three before claiming the top spot again.
"That's unprecedented. I've never seen that before. 'The Passion' is just rewriting box-office history," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box-office tracker Exhibitor Relations. "This is a holy day, and this movie is tailor-made for a weekend like this. It's not just a movie. It's a religious experience for many people."
"The Passion" easily fended off a rush of new movies. Disney's costly historical epic "The Alamo" opened weakly with $9.2 million, tying for No. 3 with Cedric the Entertainer's comedy "Johnson Family Vacation," according to studio estimates Sunday.
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Now I wasn't part of this forum, some months back, so I'm sure this thread has been done to death. But I have to get this off my chest, and you all are always so intellegent and supportive, in your answers and input I thought I would try it here.
Ok, I FINALLY saw "Passion of the Christ" last night. My friend said I had to see it before it left the theatres.
And well... I just wasn't impressed. In fact, I was downright mad that I had spent money on it.
Now, it wasn't that it was a badly done movie. It wasn't the content of the movie (blood/gore). And it wasn't the subject of the movie (Jesus' final hours).
I just felt, been there, done that.
Everyone I met kept saying it was a life changing movie, for everyone that sees it. Life changing? Did these people read at all? Or watch T.V. at Eastertime? I knew everything in the movie, because I had read the Bible. Or watched one of a hundred, Easter shows on T.V., that showed the exact same thing, sans the gore.
Was the blood and violence, what everyone was talking about? Was that what made it "real" for them? I heard some people saying, "I never knew how horrible it was for him, to go through that." Huh? Maybe it was just my childhood, but my impressonable years, were spent in Europe. And my family visited MANY churches there. And most of the crucifix's I witnessed were quite gory. Horrible to look at sometimes. But in looking at them, as a child, it stuck in my head, that it WAS very gory and henious what happened to Jesus. I don't see many, if any, here in the states though.
And no, I didn't think it was an anti-semetic movie (don't know if I spelled that right, I really do suck at spelling). Every race/religion/culture at one time at another, has been dominated, repressed, or conquered.
I don't know. It just wasn't all it was made out to be. Maybe it was the hype of it all. Your thoughts?
Ok, I FINALLY saw "Passion of the Christ" last night. My friend said I had to see it before it left the theatres.
And well... I just wasn't impressed. In fact, I was downright mad that I had spent money on it.
Now, it wasn't that it was a badly done movie. It wasn't the content of the movie (blood/gore). And it wasn't the subject of the movie (Jesus' final hours).
I just felt, been there, done that.
Everyone I met kept saying it was a life changing movie, for everyone that sees it. Life changing? Did these people read at all? Or watch T.V. at Eastertime? I knew everything in the movie, because I had read the Bible. Or watched one of a hundred, Easter shows on T.V., that showed the exact same thing, sans the gore.
Was the blood and violence, what everyone was talking about? Was that what made it "real" for them? I heard some people saying, "I never knew how horrible it was for him, to go through that." Huh? Maybe it was just my childhood, but my impressonable years, were spent in Europe. And my family visited MANY churches there. And most of the crucifix's I witnessed were quite gory. Horrible to look at sometimes. But in looking at them, as a child, it stuck in my head, that it WAS very gory and henious what happened to Jesus. I don't see many, if any, here in the states though.
And no, I didn't think it was an anti-semetic movie (don't know if I spelled that right, I really do suck at spelling). Every race/religion/culture at one time at another, has been dominated, repressed, or conquered.
I don't know. It just wasn't all it was made out to be. Maybe it was the hype of it all. Your thoughts?
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