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Each one of them started off their drug taking years with cannabis. |
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I'll bet 1 million they started off smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol first.  |
Interestingly, none of them smoke cigarettes.
Do you think they'd have jumped straight from no drug into cocaine; or was cannabis not a stepping stone. Once the use of one no longer gives them the required buzz, they moved on to something else that would.
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| Whichever way you look at it, regular cannabis use is not good for you, whether you think it's less harmful than other substances or not, so to decriminilise it would be sheer stupidity; |
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| No, regular cannabis use is not good for you. So? Isnt that your prerogative? Do you think that a new alcoholic beverage should be banned even if it wasnt as strong as wine, purely because its just adding to the problem? |
We're not talking about banning something that is legal, we are talking about legalising something that is banned. Do you think it would be responsible of the Government to legalise a potentially harmful substance, and risk increasing the usage of it in this country by many times over?
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| and would you want to be subjected to secondary cannabis smoke if you didn't use it? |
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| Would you want to be exposed to traffic fumes if you dont drive? |
Do two wrongs make a right?
How often do you notice the unpleasant smell or sensation of traffic fumes. I work in the third largest city in the country. I never even notice it.
| QUOTE (DespondentDave @ Feb 26 2004, 05:50 PM) |
| Do two wrongs make a right? How often do you notice the unpleasant smell or sensation of traffic fumes. I work in the third largest city in the country. I never even notice it. |
LOL,
that is cause you WORK there.
Your used to it allready, I'll bet you noticed it at first.
I'll tell you the first time I went to london with my family my grandmother made us all breath through a tissue cause it stank so bad. By the time we were done there was a black mark where we were breathing through the tissue.
You say none of them smoke cigarettes or drink, I SAY BS!!!!!!!!!!! What a load.....ROTFLMAO!!!!
So you want me to believe that the first thing they ever smoked was an illegal drug huh? LOL (your going against what your allready saying here, NO?)
Your telling me that in europe where drinking and smoking run RAMPANT that none of those people smoke/drink. LIAR!!!!
One last thing, do you honestly think it is responsible of the government to keep pubs open? I mean HONESTLY.....
of course not
I think they should legalize it, because people are just going to complain until they do. But if we get another smoking alternative, then we should get rid of one, cigs. Cigs are more deadly and a lot more worse then weed. So far, there has only been maybe one case of death by weed, unless you count the ones from it being a gateway drug. A lot of people die everyday from cigs. I dont know for sure how many because I have a feeling that those cigs and weed commercials strecth the truth a bit. Weed and shrooms are legal in Amsterdam, and how many people go there just for that reason?
| QUOTE (Stamford @ Feb 26 2004, 08:27 AM) |
| I personally don't smoke marijuana, I don't need drugs, I have a kid, I look like crap, I have no money and I havn't had any sleep for months . But on a serious note, the history of marijuana is plagued with hyprocricy. It was legal in the States in the early half of the 20th Century and was present in much of the medication sold over the counter. The hemp plant was used in the production of paper (the best quality), clothes and rope. A guy named Asliinger decided that weed was a bad thing (I belive he was also a firm beliver in the temperence movement of the time aswell); he was also in the pocket of businessmen who owned large logging and pharmacutical companies. He began a campain to demonise weed and encouraged tabloid newspapers to print horror stories about cannabis, but using the word "marijuana" instead; this was a Mexican word and fed into the white middle/upper class paranioa about Mexican imigrants at the time. Stories abounded of crazed individuals murdering whilst under the influence of this "new" danger. Soon Cannabis was being outlawed in various states and eventually a blanket ban across the whole of the States was introduced. What people didn't realise was that "marijuana" was also hemp and with this ban all the hemp industries (paper production, rope, clothing manufacture and pharmacutical production) were also outlawed; this led to Aslinger's rich friends who owned non-hemp Companies that could also produced the same items (although inferior) to get very rich. That aside, the war on marijuana costs the tax payers in the US and the UK billions of dollars a year and has failed, whilst at the same time made criminals, who also deal in other drugs very, very wealthy. The legalisation of cannabis, although unpallatable to many, would at least have the following positive effects: 1) Raise billions a year in tax. 2) Take the money away from criminal gangs. 3) Free the Police up to tackle the serious drugs such as heroin and cocaine. 4) Decriminalise young people, who whether we like it or not, are going to smoke it anyway. I know of the negatives people who want it to remain illegal use: 1) That it encourages experimentation in other drugs. 2) That just because people use it shouldn't mean it should be legal. But, if we look at Holland and the result of the decriminalisation of weed there, we can see that they have one the lowest amount of users in Europe and that drug related crime is very low. We in the UK, however, have one of the highest, if not the highest levels of usuage in Europe. Just an opionion, which I am sure I will be slated for. |
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Unless you have tried it you cannot say it leads to other drug use. I have smoked pot, and still do, and the only other drug ive tried is hash, which is another form of pot.
| QUOTE (zygon @ Feb 26 2004, 10:12 AM) |
| i did know someone who smoked weed, and his friend got some really bad stuff, i cant remember whether it was something in it, or just a different drug that looked like weed, but it made him hallucinate. so another good point about legalizing is it means people would only be getting 'good' weed if they bought from a shop. |
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It probably had mass crystal throughout it. But this would no make the experience as bad as you say... so the only thing i can think of is that other white powdered drugs were added to it i.e. crack
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| QUOTE (Stamford @ Feb 26 2004, 08:27 AM) |
| But, if we look at Holland and the result of the decriminalisation of weed there, we can see that they have one the lowest amount of users in Europe and that drug related crime is very low. |
They have the lowest amount of users and crime because people from other countries go there to do drugs.
| QUOTE (thebarman @ Feb 26 2004, 10:52 AM) | ||
Anyone ever tried these? They look awful but if you've got a few mates up for a laugh and some trippy music to listen to it can be a hilarious evening... ...reach for the lasers!! |
Real man ive tried them a few times. My first me an my buddies were **removed** out of our minds. We would run around and do stupid **removed**After watching Cheech and Chong: Up in Smoke we went over to a place we call the deck and my one buddy jumped off it... however i do not recomend using or turning on any black lights after taking mush... i did this and i started freaking out... i had mass brain surges and felt like **removed**in the morning.
Diebytheflyguy posting profanities will not be tolerated even if they are [*]ed out. Please don't do it!
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| So why is it that magic mushrooms are not illegal, yet cannabis is at the front of the 'war on drugs'? |
First i would like to ask why people say "Magical Mushrooms," why not stick to mushrooms or mush or shrooms. Secondly here in Canada and in the US shrooms are highly illegal and are "up there" with crack or blow. Mush is not sold as much as cannabis is because it is harder to get. Because of the higher trafficing of pot, the governemnt and police forces focus on the higher qwuantities of drungs and money made.
Man, Canada kick ass...
I believe it was last year or the year before. Our governemnt actually legalized small amounts of pot. I think it might have been 3 or 4 grams, its not much but its still good. And to top this off our Prime Minister at the time even commented on smoking or "trying it out, " himself.
I believe it was last year or the year before. Our governemnt actually legalized small amounts of pot. I think it might have been 3 or 4 grams, its not much but its still good. And to top this off our Prime Minister at the time even commented on smoking or "trying it out, " himself.
Ya know...this part about America has never made sense to me.....
At this point in time, Marijuana is a federally controlled substance with Hemp being classified in the same boat as Marijuana.
Translated: greedy men know Nature speaks truth and truth hurts...
And because it would generally be "politically incorrect" to study marijuana completely, scientifically, and objectively, no one can say with any scientific precision or conviction as to whether or not marijuana and the "psychoactive" substance within (THC) has any benefits or risks to one's health.
I was "stoned" for a few years in my past. I do not trust the ways of the doctor, for many an incorrect diagnosis (one of which led to an unnecessary surgery) have they given and nothing they've prescribed has ever worked. But I do trust Nature. And Nature's medicine does work. For awhile, I would need to smoke it or drink it in the form of tea daily to prevent the pain. After about a year, the pain stopped coming altogether. I do so every now and then (especially when Aunt Flo comes to visit). And never have I had a problem with it...
And while there is a debate as to whether or not Marijuana should be legalized, Aspartame is a food and drug administration approved food additive / sweetener that is widely used in a majority of "diet" foods in America....
...despite the hundreds and thousands of independant scientific testing done to show that there can be no doubt it is a neurotoxin / excitotoxin.
...despite a list of 92 common symptoms, ranging from mild headaches to spontaneous DEATH.
...despite the FDA's initial resistance to approving this bastard of a chemical.
Do one google search on "Aspartame". That is all you need to do...
Now then....
If you actually have to ask if Marijuana should be legal in the same country that allows a scientifically proven TOXIC (and not just mildly toxic either) substance to be sold in a great many "diet" products as a sweetener, then I have to concur with Dennis Miller: common sense in America is dead....
At this point in time, Marijuana is a federally controlled substance with Hemp being classified in the same boat as Marijuana.
Translated: greedy men know Nature speaks truth and truth hurts...
And because it would generally be "politically incorrect" to study marijuana completely, scientifically, and objectively, no one can say with any scientific precision or conviction as to whether or not marijuana and the "psychoactive" substance within (THC) has any benefits or risks to one's health.
I was "stoned" for a few years in my past. I do not trust the ways of the doctor, for many an incorrect diagnosis (one of which led to an unnecessary surgery) have they given and nothing they've prescribed has ever worked. But I do trust Nature. And Nature's medicine does work. For awhile, I would need to smoke it or drink it in the form of tea daily to prevent the pain. After about a year, the pain stopped coming altogether. I do so every now and then (especially when Aunt Flo comes to visit). And never have I had a problem with it...
And while there is a debate as to whether or not Marijuana should be legalized, Aspartame is a food and drug administration approved food additive / sweetener that is widely used in a majority of "diet" foods in America....
...despite the hundreds and thousands of independant scientific testing done to show that there can be no doubt it is a neurotoxin / excitotoxin.
...despite a list of 92 common symptoms, ranging from mild headaches to spontaneous DEATH.
...despite the FDA's initial resistance to approving this bastard of a chemical.
Do one google search on "Aspartame". That is all you need to do...
Now then....
If you actually have to ask if Marijuana should be legal in the same country that allows a scientifically proven TOXIC (and not just mildly toxic either) substance to be sold in a great many "diet" products as a sweetener, then I have to concur with Dennis Miller: common sense in America is dead....
Your telling me that your one of the marijuana users.
| QUOTE (Naraya @ Feb 26 2004, 10:35 PM) |
| And while there is a debate as to whether or not Marijuana should be legalized, Aspartame is a food and drug administration approved food additive / sweetener that is widely used in a majority of "diet" foods in America.... ...despite a list of 92 common symptoms, ranging from mild headaches to spontaneous DEATH. |
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Well actually there are NO marijuana related deaths!
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DBTFG, please refrain from quoting entire posts in a reply and stick to the relevant part, thank you. Post edited.
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| Unless you have tried it you cannot say it leads to other drug use. I have smoked pot, and still do, and the only other drug ive tried is hash, which is another form of pot. |
If this comment is directed at me, which I assume it is seeing as you quoted my entire reply, I would suggest you either read it again, or stop smoking the 'erb long enough to be able to absorb what I was saying.
I'll assume it was directed at me, in which case I will point out that I don't think it does automatically leads to the use of other drugs; I feel it should be legallised.
Although I also think that it should be treated with the respect it deserves, i.e if you blaze up on a regular basis, you will become, among other things, very, very boring.
Have fun kids.
| QUOTE (CMMS @ Feb 26 2004, 06:53 PM) | ||
LOL, that is cause you WORK there. Your used to it allready, I'll bet you noticed it at first. I'll tell you the first time I went to london with my family my grandmother made us all breath through a tissue cause it stank so bad. By the time we were done there was a black mark where we were breathing through the tissue. You say none of them smoke cigarettes or drink, I SAY BS!!!!!!!!!!! What a load.....ROTFLMAO!!!! So you want me to believe that the first thing they ever smoked was an illegal drug huh? LOL (your going against what your allready saying here, NO?) Your telling me that in europe where drinking and smoking run RAMPANT that none of those people smoke/drink. LIAR!!!! One last thing, do you honestly think it is responsible of the government to keep pubs open? I mean HONESTLY..... of course not |
All that cannabis has obviously affected your ability to read properly.
Tell me where I said they didn't drink!It's strange isn't it, the only way cannabis users can back up their argument is to bring drink into the equation.
What percentage of regular alcohol users end up on hard drugs? What percentage of regular cannabis users end up on hard drugs? Might just be the latter that wins the day.
If you think I'm telling porkies about my friends and acquaintances, that's fine. No sweat off my ar$e. I know I'm not, so that's good enough for me.
Anyway you cannabis users need to chill out. I thought it was supposed to relax you to the extent that you have no wish to be confrontational. yet when anyone questions their use of it, they get all aggressive! Dear me, that must be the withdrawal side effects!
Hey, we do chilli out, thats why we use it. It does mellow or relax us, but some people do get aggrassive after smoking pot. But anyways i dont really know what your trying to say... Are you asking why pot users get mad or hostile when people ask them about it???
Well those who think Marijuana is bad can i ask your views on alcohol. Alcohol is the leading cause of death in driving accidents. Marijuana has cause 0 deaths. It impares the mind and body as pot does, and may be more unhealthy for you. Technically Alcohol is a drug. The only reason why it's not illegal is because the government is making money off Beer Stores, LCBO(liquor stores) and convience stores that sell it.(the same as ciggaretts)
Sorry Folks! I have neither the time nor the patience to read all posts in this
thread line.......so I will just add my thoughts:
The only way to 'win' the drug war in America is to legalize marijuana.
Why? Consider the following scenario:
Little Johnnie starts getting high because his friends turn him on. He likes it and
sooner than later, Johnnie's friends say, "Hey dude, you really need to buy some
because it isn't cool to sponge off of us forever." So little Johnnie buys some from
his friends. Goes that way for awhile until one day Johnnie's friends don't have any and everybody wants some so they go 'looking' for it. During their 'looking'
they run across cocaine, or heroin, or methamphetamines, or LSD or any of a host
of other 'deadly' drugs. They have been told all their lives how dangerous Marijuana is and they know it isn't. They have been told all their lives how dangerous cocaine and heroin are and they figure .....it isn't.
Now, if Johnnie and friends could go to the package store and buy pot...the worst
thing they would encounter at the package store ....cigarettes, alchohol, and porn.
Over a period of time the drug culture would shift from the revolving door that it is to something less sinister. Especially if a percentage of the tax revenue went
toward fighting the 'real' drugs.
It would also take the cartels into mainstream business and the illegality of the
whole thing...the murders...etc., would vanish.
These are my thoughts, I welcome yours.
thread line.......so I will just add my thoughts:
The only way to 'win' the drug war in America is to legalize marijuana.
Why? Consider the following scenario:
Little Johnnie starts getting high because his friends turn him on. He likes it and
sooner than later, Johnnie's friends say, "Hey dude, you really need to buy some
because it isn't cool to sponge off of us forever." So little Johnnie buys some from
his friends. Goes that way for awhile until one day Johnnie's friends don't have any and everybody wants some so they go 'looking' for it. During their 'looking'
they run across cocaine, or heroin, or methamphetamines, or LSD or any of a host
of other 'deadly' drugs. They have been told all their lives how dangerous Marijuana is and they know it isn't. They have been told all their lives how dangerous cocaine and heroin are and they figure .....it isn't.
Now, if Johnnie and friends could go to the package store and buy pot...the worst
thing they would encounter at the package store ....cigarettes, alchohol, and porn.
Over a period of time the drug culture would shift from the revolving door that it is to something less sinister. Especially if a percentage of the tax revenue went
toward fighting the 'real' drugs.
It would also take the cartels into mainstream business and the illegality of the
whole thing...the murders...etc., would vanish.
These are my thoughts, I welcome yours.
And we all know... Porn is good for you. 
Now, I am all for the legalization for pot/hemp stuff like that.
The plant is extreamly versitile. And the uses are abundant!
Now, I am all for the legalization for pot/hemp stuff like that.
The plant is extreamly versitile. And the uses are abundant!
I hope this one dosent get locked like my other one!
| QUOTE (Diebytheflyguy @ Feb 27 2004, 10:35 PM) |
| I hope this one dosent get locked like my other one! |
Not if you're careful!
It was a good debate. No tempers were set off. No feelings were hurt. Someone please unlock it.
What do you think is worse. Health wise, economically wise, and legal wise.
Drugs (marijuana or other drugs)
Alcohol
Fast Food
Diets
Drugs (marijuana or other drugs)
Alcohol
Fast Food
Diets
Joc,
I agree 100% with what you said
I also wanna add that it's a bit ridiculous that there are so many people in prison right now for pot.I think the prisons should be reserved for serious criminals,not the average Joe who happens to get pulled over for a minor traffic offense and ends up in court over a pipe,bong,papers,etc.
I agree 100% with what you said
I also wanna add that it's a bit ridiculous that there are so many people in prison right now for pot.I think the prisons should be reserved for serious criminals,not the average Joe who happens to get pulled over for a minor traffic offense and ends up in court over a pipe,bong,papers,etc.
apart from the medical reasons for it, there is no other reason to use it as there are enough brain dead idiots in the world without people smoking themselves stupid!
I also find it ridiculos to see that Tommy Chong was arrest last year for selling Bongs and drug paraphanila over the internet. Like tess said, the overcrowding of prisions could be solved by reserving it for harsher crimes commited by people. I live in Niagara Falls Canada, and there are a few stores selling paraphanila like bongs, pipes, papes..etc.. Also a few hours from here there is a hydroponic stores which sells hydroponic equipment to grow pot indoors. I say legalize it, and concentrate on bigger issues.
I would also like to point out the corrupt cops who also are involved in Marijuana selling and smoking. If I were a country leader (Prime Minister, or President) i would not waste time on pot laws. More and more cops are smoking pot for themselves which they take off people from the streets. In the paper, it said that random drug tests would be issued on police, and police forces. The real issue is that governments arent making money off it(like with taxes on beer and ciggarettes) and so they illegalize it.
ambyglam1 ,
Actually,i think there are alot of people that should think about smoking it rather than being on prozac,zoloft,etc.....i think it would take care of alot of their problems.I personally don't smoke it(anymore),but only because it is illegal.If it were legal,you bet i would.And FYI,it doesn't make people brain dead or idiots(well,i take that back,there are those who over indulge and they DO seem to be brain dead).What's the difference in kicking back and having a few drinks to relax and burning one?I don't see much difference other than the fact that you can smoke one and drive fine and be in control of yourself,whereas if you have a few drinks,it alters your perception.
Actually,i think there are alot of people that should think about smoking it rather than being on prozac,zoloft,etc.....i think it would take care of alot of their problems.I personally don't smoke it(anymore),but only because it is illegal.If it were legal,you bet i would.And FYI,it doesn't make people brain dead or idiots(well,i take that back,there are those who over indulge and they DO seem to be brain dead).What's the difference in kicking back and having a few drinks to relax and burning one?I don't see much difference other than the fact that you can smoke one and drive fine and be in control of yourself,whereas if you have a few drinks,it alters your perception.
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... and as for those people who are brain dead. That is a stereotype that comes with Marijuana use. This is not true and should no be said. Its when people get into other harsher drugs like Acid, E, Coke, Shrooms...etc... Thats when you get brain dead losers. As if you are thinking that pot leads to others drugs, it dosent. People again assume that it does. I dont know of any of my friends that do other drugs that pot. They may smoke Hash, but that is just another form of pot. It the people you associate with, not the fact that you are smoking pot.
Way to go DreamRebel... I think I might as well smoke a joint, as long as we are on the topic.
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| if you are thinking that pot leads to others drugs, it dosent. |
It most certainly does!! Are you on drugs?
Read my post about little Johnnie if you missed it. This is a brilliant assessment of how the youth of America are being drawn into the drug world. Very few people begin taking hard drugs with
out experimenting with pot first. That is just the facts Jack!
The problem is: imagine two circles on a piece of paper...in one circle is a baseball, baseball glove and an elephant. Pick the one that doesn't belong. In
the other circle is Heroin, Cocaine, and Marijuana. Marijuana belongs in the
circle with cigarettes and alchohol. Unless you remove Marijuana from the circle,
it will continue to be a launching pad to further more dangerous drug use.
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| I don't see much difference other than the fact that you can smoke one and drive fine and be in control of yourself,whereas if you have a few drinks,it alters your perception. |
Actually Tess it has been proven that Marijuana does impair one's driving ablilities and I would be in favor of the same laws for DWI being used for driving under the influence of pot. The difference is the 'degree' of impairment which is greatly
increased with alcholhol.
Okay.
I see Marijuana being just as addictive as cigarrettes and alcohol. For this reason I feel it should be legalised seeing as the other two are already. However I have heard comments from my friends saying that is has healing properties, its non addictive and its much healthier to smoke the weed than to smoke cigarrettes, while they are stoned. And I think to myself no its not, how could it be? You are inhaling something into your lungs that is not a natural thing to do, it gives you the whites and when the buzz has ended you want more. It creates all kinds of imbalances in your brain and many of my friends have actually suffered from depression trying to get off the stuff that they have been smoking for years, morning , noon and night.
This is from someone who loved to have a smoke in her younger years. Just my opinion.
lottie
I see Marijuana being just as addictive as cigarrettes and alcohol. For this reason I feel it should be legalised seeing as the other two are already. However I have heard comments from my friends saying that is has healing properties, its non addictive and its much healthier to smoke the weed than to smoke cigarrettes, while they are stoned. And I think to myself no its not, how could it be? You are inhaling something into your lungs that is not a natural thing to do, it gives you the whites and when the buzz has ended you want more. It creates all kinds of imbalances in your brain and many of my friends have actually suffered from depression trying to get off the stuff that they have been smoking for years, morning , noon and night.
This is from someone who loved to have a smoke in her younger years. Just my opinion.
lottie
It impares your senses but not your visibility like Alcohol. When you drink you get slopy, you loose your balance, and are "unstable." Pot does not have the same affect on you as alcohol does. Thats why there are more drinking and driving accident rather that smoking and driving ones.
| QUOTE (DreamRebel @ Feb 27 2004, 11:42 PM) |
| Really wish it would be legalized but, I don't think it will happen anytime soon. Marijuana and hemp are both very useful plants. That exactly why they won't legalize it. The phamaceutical, lumber, petroleum and cotton industries would lose money. The government is in their pocket and they can't let that happen. I guess I'll stay a criminal. |
Hey man come to Canada( when they legalize it again) Small amounts ( a joint or two) were legalized a couple years ago, but it is now illegal again
. Our Prime Minister said he would even try it out. I believe they are working on legalizing small amounts again.
if you smoke cannibus, it should be your choice. (all for freedom of choice) the government has taken a hold on every aspect of our lives, the personal choice to make use of a natural plant, without altering it, so as to be in an altered mental state should not be criminalized. Cannibus would be a cash crop for the government, but it would also be responsible for a revolution (at least in thought). The brain has nerve receptors which react only to the stimulation THC provides. If there is a God (the driving force behind this anti-civillian socialism), it created us with these nerves, and if there is not, we have evolved them...why again is this so negative (besides people needing a scapegoat for thier inability to cope)?
(as a coping mechinism)
some use love
some use money
some use food
some use god
some use drugs
if pot were legally accessible, it's use as a coping mechinism is no worse then any self induced delusion. Plus the high goes away so it doesn't perminantly change your outlook on things negatively....how about a broken heart?
i'm for legalizing marijuanna, vote for me...
(as a coping mechinism)
some use love
some use money
some use food
some use god
some use drugs
if pot were legally accessible, it's use as a coping mechinism is no worse then any self induced delusion. Plus the high goes away so it doesn't perminantly change your outlook on things negatively....how about a broken heart?
i'm for legalizing marijuanna, vote for me...
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You are inhaling something into your lungs that is not a natural thing to do
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Really! Imagine drawing super hot smoke into your lungs and not acquiring any
damage.
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It impares your senses but not your visibility like Alcohol. When you drink you get slopy, you loose your balance, and are "unstable." Pot does not have the same affect on you as alcohol does. Thats why there are more drinking and driving accident rather that smoking and driving ones, |
Of course it is more dangerous to drive while drunk, but that doesn't mean that it is 'safe' to
drive while stoned.
[QUOTE=joc,Feb 27 2004, 11:44 PM] [QUOTE]if you are thinking that pot leads to others drugs, it dosent.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]It most certainly does!! Are you on drugs? Read my post about little Johnnie if you missed it. This is a brilliant assessment of how the youth of America are
being drawn into the drug world. Very few people begin taking hard drugs with
out experimenting with pot first. That is just the facts Jack![/QUOTE]
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No, pot does not lead other people to harder drugs. It is the people you hang around with. And that Johnnie thing was an analogy. The only reason teens go to harder drugs is because of the availabilty to it. It is alot harder for teens to get coke, herion, crack... but if you know the right people they will get it for you, making it the people you hang around with. When you smoke pot you dont just go "oh, well then why dont I try some blow," it dosent happen like that.
[QUOTE]It most certainly does!! Are you on drugs?
Read my post about little Johnnie if you missed it. This is a brilliant assessment of how the youth of America are being drawn into the drug world. Very few people begin taking hard drugs with
out experimenting with pot first. That is just the facts Jack![/QUOTE]
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No, pot does not lead other people to harder drugs. It is the people you hang around with. And that Johnnie thing was an analogy. The only reason teens go to harder drugs is because of the availabilty to it. It is alot harder for teens to get coke, herion, crack... but if you know the right people they will get it for you, making it the people you hang around with. When you smoke pot you dont just go "oh, well then why dont I try some blow," it dosent happen like that.
| QUOTE (ambyglam1 @ Feb 27 2004, 11:11 PM) |
| apart from the medical reasons for it, there is no other reason to use it as there are enough brain dead idiots in the world without people smoking themselves stupid! |
There are a ton of other uses for it other then medicinal and smoking.
Clothes, oils, lotions, alternative fuel, paper...
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| Really! Imagine drawing super hot smoke into your lungs and not acquiring any damage. |
Smoke is not hot.. the cherry on the joint or in the packed bowl is hot! And as for the chemical pollutants in the smoke... If you dont want to harm your lungs with smoke then stop breathing altogether. There are more chemicals in the air from smog and crap created by factories and the cutting of trees.
we need more pro cannibus events
I haven't read this thread, it would probably just fuel my anger...
The politics in Norway is beyond my understanding...
Let's say it's an saturday evening, person A goes out, gets seriously drunk, starts a fight, making the evening bad for a lot of people. -That's ok for the gouvernement..
It's the same saturday evening, person B is sitting at home, in his/ hers own livingroom, smoking a joint, minding his/hers own business, that's NOT ok for the gouvernment...
I DON'T GET IT!!!!???!!!!
Most of the people who smoke are people who sit at home enjoying their bong, they don't use their energy to make trouble.
People who drink alchohol often get into a fight, or get aggressive when they're drunk..
Seriously, I don't get it!?!!
-And, no, I don't smoke...
I can't handle the constant fear of razzia..
The politics in Norway is beyond my understanding...
Let's say it's an saturday evening, person A goes out, gets seriously drunk, starts a fight, making the evening bad for a lot of people. -That's ok for the gouvernement..
It's the same saturday evening, person B is sitting at home, in his/ hers own livingroom, smoking a joint, minding his/hers own business, that's NOT ok for the gouvernment...
I DON'T GET IT!!!!???!!!!
Most of the people who smoke are people who sit at home enjoying their bong, they don't use their energy to make trouble.
People who drink alchohol often get into a fight, or get aggressive when they're drunk..
Seriously, I don't get it!?!!
-And, no, I don't smoke...
I can't handle the constant fear of razzia..
Cannibus, if even considered a "drug", would have to be the safest of all the illegal drugs, and much safer than alcohol. The only thing that is safer than pot is tobacco in the short term experience, although not in the long term. The long term health risks of smoking tobacco are worse than that of weed. I personally have never heard of anyone ever dying from just smoking pot, even if you are severely allergic to it your body would not allow you to ingest enough to kill you. A recent test done by the U.S. government said in order for a human being to die from smoking pot they would have to smoke at least 10,000 pounds in less than 10 seconds. An act that in and of itself is impossible. Many people die from alcohol ingestion. The only thing that makes recreational use of pot dangerous is the fact that it is illegal. The only thing I have ever been worried about is getting caught, which isn't even that big of a threat if your not stupid about it. I grew up in Kentucky, the #1 weed grower in the United States. I have met a few plantation owners in my day, and none of them are rich by any means. People who aren't familiar with weed I think often place it under the same ideas most people have about uppers like heroin, coke, crank, meth, etc. An argument I hear a lot of people make is that pot is a gateway drug. What drug isn't though. Actually the number one gateway drug in the U.S. is alcohol.
[QUOTE]And doesn't it follow that, if it were legalised, more and more young people would take up this "past time", and damage their health, for the sake of curiousity? Certainly far more than those who currently do...At least there is currently a certain degree of moderation in who can get a hold of it, and who gets exposed to it .
Actually, legalising weed and putting age restrictions and laws on it may actually make it more difficult for young people to get a hold of. I can recall one sunday when I was with some friends and they were debating on wether or not to buy alcohol or weed with the 25 dollars they had. Most everyone had agreed they would rather smoke weed than get drunk, but they could buy more alcohol with it their money than weed. The problem was actually finding some alcohol on Sunday, local blue laws make it nearly impossible to actually get alcohol on sundays. Eventually they came to the conclusion that it would be much easier to get a hold of weed than it would be to get alcohol. Currently a person can buy weed at any time, there are no age restrictions, no health screenings of weed, and it is everywhere. It doesn't matter who you are, if you are 4 years old and you have the money you can get weed if you really want it. If weed were legalised with age limits and tax laws created for it, weed would not only become less available to minors but would be much safer. Say you went to the gas station and bought yourself a pack of marijuana cigarrettes you would know that you were about to smoke weed and it would not be laced with another potentially extremely dangerous drug like PCP for instance.
[QUOTE]And doesn't it follow that, if it were legalised, more and more young people would take up this "past time", and damage their health, for the sake of curiousity? Certainly far more than those who currently do...At least there is currently a certain degree of moderation in who can get a hold of it, and who gets exposed to it .
Actually, legalising weed and putting age restrictions and laws on it may actually make it more difficult for young people to get a hold of. I can recall one sunday when I was with some friends and they were debating on wether or not to buy alcohol or weed with the 25 dollars they had. Most everyone had agreed they would rather smoke weed than get drunk, but they could buy more alcohol with it their money than weed. The problem was actually finding some alcohol on Sunday, local blue laws make it nearly impossible to actually get alcohol on sundays. Eventually they came to the conclusion that it would be much easier to get a hold of weed than it would be to get alcohol. Currently a person can buy weed at any time, there are no age restrictions, no health screenings of weed, and it is everywhere. It doesn't matter who you are, if you are 4 years old and you have the money you can get weed if you really want it. If weed were legalised with age limits and tax laws created for it, weed would not only become less available to minors but would be much safer. Say you went to the gas station and bought yourself a pack of marijuana cigarrettes you would know that you were about to smoke weed and it would not be laced with another potentially extremely dangerous drug like PCP for instance.
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| Smoke is not hot.. the cherry on the joint or in the packed bowl is hot! |
You are on drugs aren't you?
Ever eaten a 'smoked' turkey? Of course thesmoke isn't as hot as the cherry but it is definitly hot and if you don't think it
damaged your lungs you are crazy.
SMOKE IS NOT HOT, how could it possibly be hot!...........
And it is impossbile, literally IMPOSSIBLE to over-dose on pot like you can with every other drug.
And it is impossbile, literally IMPOSSIBLE to over-dose on pot like you can with every other drug.
I tried marijuana once many years ago.
The result was, well you be the judge!
First I felt nothing, then later I had
a real dry mouth!.. so dry I thought
I was going to die.
Then later I got real hungry... more
hungry than I had ever been in my life
I remember looking through the fridge
and finding a dish of left over food
that was kinda green (after I learned
the green was mold) but it was goood!
Then I went to bed after becomeing a
part of my couch!
The next morning I brushed my teeth, only
to find out later that it was not toothpaste
I had used, it was preparation H.
Then I found that my head hurt really
bad, so I thought I took some of my
mom's pills for headache.. But later
I found out they were her hormone pills.
The strange thing is I did not have to
shave for weeks, and my nipples were
very sensitive
Bottom line... learn from my mistakes!
marijuana is not a good thing, trust me
or learn as I did the hard way!
Gazz
The result was, well you be the judge!
First I felt nothing, then later I had
a real dry mouth!.. so dry I thought
I was going to die.
Then later I got real hungry... more
hungry than I had ever been in my life
I remember looking through the fridge
and finding a dish of left over food
that was kinda green (after I learned
the green was mold) but it was goood!
Then I went to bed after becomeing a
part of my couch!
The next morning I brushed my teeth, only
to find out later that it was not toothpaste
I had used, it was preparation H.
Then I found that my head hurt really
bad, so I thought I took some of my
mom's pills for headache.. But later
I found out they were her hormone pills.
The strange thing is I did not have to
shave for weeks, and my nipples were
very sensitive
Bottom line... learn from my mistakes!
marijuana is not a good thing, trust me
or learn as I did the hard way!
Gazz
LOL, pasties, and munchies... have had those but I have never mistaken objects for other objects... thats pretty bad...
Ive only been smoking for 2, 2.5 years and maybe thats not long enough, but I have no health problems because of it. I am more afraid of breathing the toxic fumes in our air than from from of a joint. I have always been a mid 70 student, and since my pot adventure my marks havent gone down. I do notice that I have lost interest in certain things, but nothing serious.
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| SMOKE IS NOT HOT, how could it possibly be hot!........... |
Okay....smoke is not hot.....(
)I guess you have never smoked a turkey have you?
Dragging on a joint produces super hot smoke.........you deleted!
Wow, sure the smoked turkey is hot. Because its a turkey that has been smoked under greater heat than a small joint. The smoking process also takes place in a closed in area, which holds in more heat, and inturn becomes hotter. Smoking a joint is done outside, or in a wider opened space than a smoke house.( an even in a hotbox a small joint cannot heat the room/space like a smokehouse is intended to)
...but im not going to argue cause my last God topic got closed because of that.
...but im not going to argue cause my last God topic got closed because of that.
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