Cannabis seeds were originally used in china in 6000 B.C. The use of marijuana as a medicine for the chinese was introduced in 2727 B.C. Hindus adapted the use of pot for spiritual use in about 1200 B.C. After many years of using hemp for clothing mankind adapted Hash into the drug catagory. This was very popular in the Middle East. Cannabis was then intoduced into the egyptian society during the 12th century. The first commercial production and exports of cannabis was used during the 13th century. Slaves then borught plants over to brazil(1549), and the use and planting of cannabis spread. This was also used in America for medical use during the 1840's. The British benefited off this by taxing ganja. From 1877 and on Marijuana steadly became illegal in most countries, and criminal drug rings were developed.
Last year in Canada alone 93,000 Cnadaian faces criminal drug charges. Between 2001 and 2003, sometime in there, The Canadian governemt decriminalized small amounts of pot. The Canadian Prime Minister even made comments about smoking pot.
The use of pot was originally used for medical and spiritual use. Over time these reasons were still used for smoking, but more and more people began smoking it for pleasure and growing for money.
DRUG: A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication.
Such a substance as recognized or defined by the U.S. Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.
A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.
* I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ALCOHOL
To me this defination includes alchohol. It impares the nervous system and changes the behaviour of people who use it. If drungs are illegal, then shouldnt the use of alcohol be criminalized also?
Thousands died each year from alcohol related "accidents"
ZERO people have died from marijuana related "accidents"
If marijuana, pot, cannabis, ganja... poses no threat to anyone, not even the user, why should it be criminalized by the government. The most serious problem from smoking pot are kung related or respatory problems. Insignificant problems include dry mouth, insomnia or paranoia.
In places like ansterdam, marijuana is sold in stores and in food. The government even benifets off this because of taxes. If it is only legal to smoke it for medical reasons, then why arent we aloud to smoke for causual reasons. The government could open stores similar to the LCBO(which sells liquor) or beer stores; and sell pot. They could benefit from this. Money made from these stores could go towards needed revenus for proviences or states. And the 93,000 Canadians (we only have a population of 30,000, so its 1 in every 300 o so) would not clog out justice systems and be less time consuming for the judges. Therefore they can get onto real matters LIKE MURDER, or abuse or sh** like that...
I say why waste time with drugs when they will be used anyway. The popularity of marijuana is up 40% so why not benifit from its many positive uses!
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| If it is only legal to smoke it for medical reasons, then why arent we aloud to smoke for causual reasons. |
That's like saying "if morphine can be used as a pain killer, why can't we all buy it for the sake of it and get high"
I've never actually smoked in my life...pot or otherwise...and I'm proud of that fact
However, I will admit that canabis isn't very high on my hit list of evil things that need done away with.For that matter, legalising it isn't especially high on my list of priorities either.
I consider cannabis in much the same way I consider cigs...smoke them if you want, but do it in private, and not around non-smokers. I don't have much patience or sympathy for the users of either.
However, do you honestly think a group of neds getting high on legalised pot are likely to cause less commotion and vandalism that they do right now?
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| The popularity of marijuana is up 40% so why not benifit from its many positive uses! |
What exactly are the posative uses of casual drug use, may I ask? Getting high, thinking you can fly, and wandering to a nearby building to prove it? Or perhaps you mean putting your lungs through a cheese grater, or the "paranoia" that you freely admit it can induce.
pottie, pottie. oh the pottie. ok, Marijuana has changed a great deal since 6000 B.C. The pottie can be grown without soil or dirt called Hydroponics. Hydroponics grown marijuana gives people a more high effect. Plus these marijuana farmers have grown different types of pot plants and mixed and crossed them so much now they consider it not be legalized. So, should it be legal? ahhhhemmmm. Why not just let the cigarettes maker package them. The illegal drug dealers can move to other drugs to sell. 
You'll have to forgive me for inserting my usual dose of sarcasm and aquired sense of humour...but that's a pretty..uh...vivid post...from the looks of it, someone's been smoking a little bit of the weird stuff as we speak 
Are you accusing me of something? I am confused?
[sarcasm]Oh yes and then we can have welfare dependent dope smokers neglecting there children legally 
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Seiously it may have its uses medicinely . Or even in its Hemp state without the THC in it , but tatal legalisation is quite possibly not a great Idea.
[/sarcasm]Seiously it may have its uses medicinely . Or even in its Hemp state without the THC in it , but tatal legalisation is quite possibly not a great Idea.
I personally don't smoke marijuana, I don't need drugs, I have a kid, I look like crap, I have no money and I havn't had any sleep for months 
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But on a serious note, the history of marijuana is plagued with hyprocricy.
It was legal in the States in the early half of the 20th Century and was present in much of the medication sold over the counter.
The hemp plant was used in the production of paper (the best quality), clothes and rope.
A guy named Asliinger decided that weed was a bad thing (I belive he was also a firm beliver in the temperence movement of the time aswell); he was also in the pocket of businessmen who owned large logging and pharmacutical companies.
He began a campain to demonise weed and encouraged tabloid newspapers to print horror stories about cannabis, but using the word "marijuana" instead; this was a Mexican word and fed into the white middle/upper class paranioa about Mexican imigrants at the time.
Stories abounded of crazed individuals murdering whilst under the influence of this "new" danger.
Soon Cannabis was being outlawed in various states and eventually a blanket ban across the whole of the States was introduced.
What people didn't realise was that "marijuana" was also hemp and with this ban all the hemp industries (paper production, rope, clothing manufacture and pharmacutical production) were also outlawed; this led to Aslinger's rich friends who owned non-hemp Companies that could also produced the same items (although inferior) to get very rich.
That aside, the war on marijuana costs the tax payers in the US and the UK billions of dollars a year and has failed, whilst at the same time made criminals, who also deal in other drugs very, very wealthy.
The legalisation of cannabis, although unpallatable to many, would at least have the following positive effects:
1) Raise billions a year in tax.
2) Take the money away from criminal gangs.
3) Free the Police up to tackle the serious drugs such as heroin and cocaine.
4) Decriminalise young people, who whether we like it or not, are going to smoke it anyway.
I know of the negatives people who want it to remain illegal use:
1) That it encourages experimentation in other drugs.
2) That just because people use it shouldn't mean it should be legal.
But, if we look at Holland and the result of the decriminalisation of weed there, we can see that they have one the lowest amount of users in Europe and that drug related crime is very low.
We in the UK, however, have one of the highest, if not the highest levels of usuage in Europe.
Just an opionion, which I am sure I will be slated for.
.But on a serious note, the history of marijuana is plagued with hyprocricy.
It was legal in the States in the early half of the 20th Century and was present in much of the medication sold over the counter.
The hemp plant was used in the production of paper (the best quality), clothes and rope.
A guy named Asliinger decided that weed was a bad thing (I belive he was also a firm beliver in the temperence movement of the time aswell); he was also in the pocket of businessmen who owned large logging and pharmacutical companies.
He began a campain to demonise weed and encouraged tabloid newspapers to print horror stories about cannabis, but using the word "marijuana" instead; this was a Mexican word and fed into the white middle/upper class paranioa about Mexican imigrants at the time.
Stories abounded of crazed individuals murdering whilst under the influence of this "new" danger.
Soon Cannabis was being outlawed in various states and eventually a blanket ban across the whole of the States was introduced.
What people didn't realise was that "marijuana" was also hemp and with this ban all the hemp industries (paper production, rope, clothing manufacture and pharmacutical production) were also outlawed; this led to Aslinger's rich friends who owned non-hemp Companies that could also produced the same items (although inferior) to get very rich.
That aside, the war on marijuana costs the tax payers in the US and the UK billions of dollars a year and has failed, whilst at the same time made criminals, who also deal in other drugs very, very wealthy.
The legalisation of cannabis, although unpallatable to many, would at least have the following positive effects:
1) Raise billions a year in tax.
2) Take the money away from criminal gangs.
3) Free the Police up to tackle the serious drugs such as heroin and cocaine.
4) Decriminalise young people, who whether we like it or not, are going to smoke it anyway.
I know of the negatives people who want it to remain illegal use:
1) That it encourages experimentation in other drugs.
2) That just because people use it shouldn't mean it should be legal.
But, if we look at Holland and the result of the decriminalisation of weed there, we can see that they have one the lowest amount of users in Europe and that drug related crime is very low.
We in the UK, however, have one of the highest, if not the highest levels of usuage in Europe.
Just an opionion, which I am sure I will be slated for.
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| We in the UK, however, have one of the highest, if not the highest levels if usuage in Europe. Just an opionion, which I am sure I will be slated for. |
Not at all mate, anyone noticed the plant in my avatar?
I personally dont smoke pot. I find it makes me too paranoid, so I choose to get drunk and make an arse of myself regularly.
I do not see the sense in it being illegal though, surely in a free country banning a plant that grows naturally makes no sense?
I think it is beyond question that alcohol is far more harmful and damaging than marijuana, but the problem seems to be the propaganda (propaganja ha ha! Oh shut up) and misinformation that eminates from the anti pot camp.
People seem to hear the word 'drugs' and conjure up images of aids infested heroin users in squalid bedsits. caffeine is a drug, aspirin is a drug etc.
We probably wont be seeing it legalised for a few years yet, as any politician promoting its legalisaton will be losing a lot of votes from the anti 'drugs' camp.
Seraphina, I know you are very intelligent, so this statement took me aback:
I do not see the sense in it being illegal though, surely in a free country banning a plant that grows naturally makes no sense?
I think it is beyond question that alcohol is far more harmful and damaging than marijuana, but the problem seems to be the propaganda (propaganja ha ha! Oh shut up) and misinformation that eminates from the anti pot camp.
People seem to hear the word 'drugs' and conjure up images of aids infested heroin users in squalid bedsits. caffeine is a drug, aspirin is a drug etc.
We probably wont be seeing it legalised for a few years yet, as any politician promoting its legalisaton will be losing a lot of votes from the anti 'drugs' camp.
Seraphina, I know you are very intelligent, so this statement took me aback:
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| What exactly are the posative uses of casual drug use, may I ask? Getting high, thinking you can fly, and wandering to a nearby building to prove it? |
You do realise that these stories are always associated with LSD use, and not pot right?
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| I do not see the sense in it being illegal though, surely in a free country banning a plant that grows naturally makes no sense? |
You mean like...oh...I don't know...opium?
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| You do realise that these stories are always associated with LSD use, and not pot right? |
Yes, yes I am
That was intended as sarcasm.I'm well aware of the possible economic benefits that could be gained by legalising cannibis....however, are we all such capitalists that we're willing to expose people to a substance that can and will harm their health, and the health of those nearby, and as has twice been admitted, has a personality altering affect, for the sake of making money?
i did know someone who smoked weed, and his friend got some really bad stuff, i cant remember whether it was something in it, or just a different drug that looked like weed, but it made him hallucinate. so another good point about legalizing is it means people would only be getting 'good' weed if they bought from a shop.
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| I'm well aware of the possible economic benefits that could be gained by legalising cannibis....however, are we all such capitalists that we're willing to expose people to a substance that can and will harm their health, and the health of those nearby, and as has twice been admitted, has a personality altering affect, for the sake of making money? |
On a purely capitalist note, the continued illegality of cannabis is costing tax payers more.
On the health note: Sure smoking weed isn't the healthiest past time, but it is a personal choice, I don't for one second advocate that you should be able to blaze up in a bar and force the fumes down someone else's lungs (let them buy their own weed
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| QUOTE (zygon @ Feb 26 2004, 10:12 AM) |
| so another good point about legalizing is it means people would only be getting 'good' weed if they bought from a shop. |
Well, not necessarily.
Anyone who smokes cigarettes will know there's a difference between an expensive pack and a cheap pack. Same with alchohol, cheap beer tasts crap, expensive beer tastes good.
I see where you're coming from but just because it comes form a shop does not then imply quality.
Also, the product your friend purchased was most probably super skunk which is laced with LSD in order to give it that extra kick. Only recommended around friends and in a safe place, ie: not on your own watching some twisted film about drugs unless of course you enjoy hours of paranoia
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| Sure smoking weed isn't the healthiest past time, but it is a personaly choice |
And doesn't it follow that, if it were legalised, more and more young people would take up this "past time", and damage their health, for the sake of curiousity? Certainly far more than those who currently do...At least there is currently a certain degree of moderation in who can get a hold of it, and who gets exposed to it
Yes, yes, I know Holand has a lower rate of drug related crime than we do...however it should be noted that Holland has vastly different attitudes and cultural nuances than we do, and significantly fewer neds
I mean...let's face it, neds cause trouble and throw bricks at passing cars and so on without the benefit of being high to begin with
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I have to question this comment, as as far as I know LSD cannot be smoked, it is possible it was laced with PCP; if it is Super Skunk then we have a plant that has been cross bred to create Marijuana with a very high THC level.
This is one of the reasons that legalisation would be a good thing, because the strength of the weed could be regulated and at least you would know what you are buying, much in the same way as alcohol.
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| Yes, yes I am That was intended as sarcasm. |
Good, just checking
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| I do not see the sense in it being illegal though, surely in a free country banning a plant that grows naturally makes no sense? You mean like...oh...I don't know...opium? |
hey! The British empire was practically built on the opium trade!
It does enter a grey area here, though. I would say that if a drug needs to be prepared in any way then it couldnt be considered natural. I belive that opium is distilled from the opium poppy so therefore is not used in its natural state. I know that cannibis leaves are dried and that could be construed as prepared.
Magic mushrooms (Psylocibe Semilcaenta(sp?)), Flyagaric and henbane grow naturally in Britain, and therefore are not illegal. yet their affects are far more powerful than marijuana. If I know the law correctly, it is OK to possess magic mushrooms and dry them, but not to make an infusion out of them?
Also, you will find in a lot of 'smoking paraphanalia' shops in Britain Salvia Delorium(again sp?) and Khat, which are a powerful hallucinogen and an amphetimine respectively. (Khat is illegal in France). They are both dried leaves.
So what is my point? I dont really know. Alcohol is distilled.
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| Yes, yes, I know Holand has a lower rate of drug related crime than we do...however it should be noted that Holland has vastly different attitudes and cultural nuances than we do, and significantly fewer neds I mean...let's face it, neds cause trouble and throw bricks at passing cars and so on without the benefit of being high to begin with |
I agree with your comments; we do have a different culture, mores the pity.
One of the problems with the UK is the nanny state; drinking laws in this country are one of the reasons people binge drink; people drink with one eye on the clock.
Legalising weed may actually make it less attractive, it would certainlt lose some of its rebelious image.
I am assuming "neds" are the snotty little morons who hang around street corners (I haven't heard that expression down South).
These little scum bags need dealing with by the Police and it is a seperate issue; or are you also advocating the banning of cider and cheap larger?
What I am talking about is people's freedom to live their life how they want to, as long as it doesn't infringe on other people's lives.
At the moment some very nasty people are making a hell of a lot of money while weed is illegal; just something to think about!
| QUOTE (Stamford @ Feb 26 2004, 10:39 AM) |
| as as far as I know LSD cannot be smoked, it is possible it was laced with PCP; if it is Super Skunk then we have a plant that has been cross bred to create Marijuana with a very high THC level. |
Try it, you'll soon find out.
As long as a drug gets into you're blood stream it will have an effect, whether you eat it, smoke it, snort it or inject it into your eyeballs it will still have an effect.
You could inject alchohol into your arm and you'd still get drunk, much the same as you can stuff crushed paracetamol up your nose and it'll still cure your stomach ache.
I'm not advising this to anyone of course, just demonstrating my point.
| QUOTE (mowo @ Feb 26 2004, 10:44 AM) |
| Magic mushrooms (Psylocibe Semilcaenta(sp?)), Flyagaric and henbane grow naturally in Britain, and therefore are not illegal. yet their affects are far more powerful than marijuana. If I know the law correctly, it is OK to possess magic mushrooms and dry them, but not to make an infusion out of them? |
Anyone ever tried these? They look awful but if you've got a few mates up for a laugh and some trippy music to listen to it can be a hilarious evening...
...reach for the lasers!!
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| Anyone who smokes cigarettes will know there's a difference between an expensive pack and a cheap pack. Same with alchohol, cheap beer tasts crap, expensive beer tastes good. I see where you're coming from but just because it comes form a shop does not then imply quality. |
true. but surely they, like cigarettes, would have different strengths and would have a better quality than if bought from some skanky backstreet dealer who would charge loads for low quality stuff.
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| have to question this comment, as as far as I know LSD cannot be smoked, it is possible it was laced with PCP; if it is Super Skunk then we have a plant that has been cross bred to create Marijuana with a very high THC level. |
if i am right in saying that LSD is liquid form?
so it could be dried in with the marijuana so that when smoked it would still make the weed stronger and have halucinagenic effects?
| QUOTE (zygon @ Feb 26 2004, 10:52 AM) |
| if i am right in saying that LSD is liquid form? so it could be dried in with the marijuana so that when smoked it would still make the weed stronger and have halucinagenic effects? |
It is sprayed on rather than dried in, but yes that's right
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| QUOTE (Stamford @ Feb 26 2004, 10:39 AM) as as far as I know LSD cannot be smoked, it is possible it was laced with PCP; if it is Super Skunk then we have a plant that has been cross bred to create Marijuana with a very high THC level. Try it, you'll soon find out. As long as a drug gets into you're blood stream it will have an effect, whether you eat it, smoke it, snort it or inject it into your eyeballs it will still have an effect. |
Um, without wanting to get sucked into a debate on how to get high; if you check out the Sensi Seed Bank in Amsterdam, you can find out all about Super Skunk and how it was created.
LSD is a very interesting drug because you need a tiny drop of the stuff to get the effect. As a deploying tool, weed is no good because the chemical would be burnt off in the initial smoking process.
You cannot inject LSD and you cannot smoke it; you can however, injest it orally or through your skin.
Anyway, this is off topic.
And as for your comment try it you will soon find out? I haven't always been such a good boy you know!!
*must admit, find it slightly telling that people who try to give a thought out and logcal front on why cannibis should be legal, then go on to get into a debate on the application and how to effectivly get zoned with their friends 
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Well, I've got to get to Uni now, so I'll leave you guys to it...
Just...don't let me come back and find you waving your hand back and forth in front of your faces, marveling at the after image
*Well, I've got to get to Uni now, so I'll leave you guys to it...
Just...don't let me come back and find you waving your hand back and forth in front of your faces, marveling at the after image
| QUOTE (Stamford @ Feb 26 2004, 10:56 AM) |
| And as for your comment try it you will soon find out? I haven't always been such a good boy you know!! |
Stamford! I'm shocked!!!
....nice one
This is a pretty good topic. I have only smoked once. I'm not addicted. But its just stupid. I'm surprised they smoked weed as a medicine... 
This debate does seem to be heading into a "How to get mashed" zone; so I will just maybe ask that we all stick to the legalise debate and not the, have you tried this or done that thread..
It would be a shame if this topic got shut down so early.
The Christian Right Wing in the States are still asleep and I am looking forward to their ranting!!!!
It would be a shame if this topic got shut down so early.
The Christian Right Wing in the States are still asleep and I am looking forward to their ranting!!!!
So why is it that magic mushrooms are not illegal, yet cannabis is at the front of the 'war on drugs'?
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| So why is it that magic mushrooms are not illegal, yet cannabis is at the front of the 'war on drugs'? |
For many of the reasons I detailed earlier; the banning of hemp/weed meant that a vast renewable crop that was used for paper/rope/clothes production was out of the picture. The more expensive alternatives such as wood had to be used, which made a lot of people very rich.
Hemp is the cash crop of the poor and has been throughout history.
| QUOTE (Stamford @ Feb 26 2004, 11:08 AM) |
| It would be a shame if this topic got shut down so early. The Christian Right Wing in the States are still asleep and I am looking forward to their ranting!!!! |
You're right, I never did give my actual opinion on the legalisation of cannabis.
I'm actually all for it although I think we need to adopt the same kind of respect for it as they have in Amsterdam.
As an example, there are separate rooms for smoking and drinking, and mixing the two is frowned upon.
I believe it should be legal, but only in "certain designated places" to loosely quote a much loved film
I once heard that apparantly the county of Hampshire was originally called hempshire because of the hemp crops which were grown there.
Also I remember watching a Countryfile report about fields of hemp that were being grown for medicinal use at a secret location in Dorset.
Also I remember watching a Countryfile report about fields of hemp that were being grown for medicinal use at a secret location in Dorset.
| QUOTE (mowo @ Feb 26 2004, 12:15 PM) |
| So why is it that magic mushrooms are not illegal, yet cannabis is at the front of the 'war on drugs'? |
Magic mushrooms not illegal !!!!!!!!!
I hate to break the bad news but possession of dried magic mushrooms in quantity will result in a prosecution for possession of a class A drug.
| QUOTE (thistle1 @ Feb 26 2004, 11:25 AM) |
| I hate to break the bad news but possession of dried magic mushrooms in quantity will result in a prosecution for possession of a class A drug. |
Bugger! Are you sure?
I'd better keep my "tea parties" a bit more secret then
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| I'm actually all for it although I think we need to adopt the same kind of respect for it as they have in Amsterdam. |
To be honest, I dont think they have it quite right over there. Cannabis has only been decriminalised, and is not strictly legal. This means that any short walk will involve being offered all kinds of drugs, due to the no searching law. If cannabis were to be legalised, it needs to have the same licensing regulations put on it as alcohol.
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Very true, as is the name Hemel Hempstead.
Apparently, during Elizabethan times is was the law that farmers had to set aside some of the fields for hemp production as it was used by the navy for rope manufacture.
If you have an old victorian bible at home chances are the paper came from hemp; it really is a fantastic crop.
People get too excited about the getting high factor of cannabis, but the really interesting thing is the number of practical uses the plant has.
And yes, there is an increase in the cultivation of hemp in the UK at the moment. A few years ago there were some fields near where I live that were used for growing hemp.
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| I hate to break the bad news but possession of dried magic mushrooms in quantity will result in a prosecution for possession of a class A drug. |
That was the point I made earlier that if they are prepared it is illegal. Raw mushrooms in tea is sold at Glastonbury festival.
| QUOTE (mowo @ Feb 26 2004, 11:28 AM) |
| If cannabis were to be legalised, it needs to have the same licensing regulations put on it as alcohol. |
I agree, that would mean you could buy it from a licenced bar, smoke it in a licenced pub or at home, but not smoke it walking down the street - yet could still legally carry it without a problem, cool
I read once that the parachute cords that saved George Bush seniors life were made from hemp.
Damn that hemp!!! 
Im not gonna bother readin any of your arguments.
I smoke it casually now and infrequently, i smoked it a lot when i was younger. I enjoed it an i still enjoy it. I dont care what ne1 says.
They call hash a gateway drug, well in my opinion if yer stupid enough to take a class A drug then your gonna do it without hash, Myself an my friends have all had the chance an turned it down pointblank.
Hash is practically legal here anyway. The police just used to take it of us wen we played shotgun in the street anyway they never took it futher.
As for medissinal use IE. MS sufferers if even doctors say it eases their pain then whats the problem? Surley these people should be given a shot at pain less life eh?
Thats ma views on it
I smoke it casually now and infrequently, i smoked it a lot when i was younger. I enjoed it an i still enjoy it. I dont care what ne1 says.
They call hash a gateway drug, well in my opinion if yer stupid enough to take a class A drug then your gonna do it without hash, Myself an my friends have all had the chance an turned it down pointblank.
Hash is practically legal here anyway. The police just used to take it of us wen we played shotgun in the street anyway they never took it futher.
As for medissinal use IE. MS sufferers if even doctors say it eases their pain then whats the problem? Surley these people should be given a shot at pain less life eh?
Thats ma views on it
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No one really seemed to be arguing though. In fact, the post did turn dangerously close to turning into stoners anonymous.
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| No one really seemed to be arguing though. In fact, the post did turn dangerously close to turning into stoners anonymous. |
LOL theres a first i read the first couple of posts an thought "not again...."
At the end of the day, decriminalising cannabis will lead to more people using it. Is that a good thing? Whichever way you look at it, regular cannabis use is not good for you, whether you think it's less harmful than other substances or not, so to decriminilise it would be sheer stupidity; and would you want to be subjected to secondary cannabis smoke if you didn't use it?
As for the gateway thing, well it's obvious that not everyone will go on to more serious drugs, but I can assure you this. I know five or six regular users of cocaine. Each one of them started off their drug taking years with cannabis. If they had never tried cannabis, does anyone really think they would have gone on to use cocaine?
As for the gateway thing, well it's obvious that not everyone will go on to more serious drugs, but I can assure you this. I know five or six regular users of cocaine. Each one of them started off their drug taking years with cannabis. If they had never tried cannabis, does anyone really think they would have gone on to use cocaine?
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| Each one of them started off their drug taking years with cannabis. If they had never tried cannabis, does anyone really think they would have gone on to use cocaine? |
Its the people you hang around with, the people you "choose" to surround you not the drug you take first.
Thats more like it!
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I'll bet 1 million they started off smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol first.
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| Whichever way you look at it, regular cannabis use is not good for you, whether you think it's less harmful than other substances or not, so to decriminilise it would be sheer stupidity; |
No, regular cannabis use is not good for you. So? Isnt that your prerogative? Do you think that a new alcoholic beverage should be banned even if it wasnt as strong as wine, purely because its just adding to the problem?
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| and would you want to be subjected to secondary cannabis smoke if you didn't use it? |
Would you want to be exposed to traffic fumes if you dont drive?
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It's all propaganda, Seraphina, PROPAGANDA!
It is legal to grow some shroom strains in England but it's illegal to prepare them and I'm pretty sure it's illegal to consume them.
I tired growing them once but it didn't work, though I think I came close.
I would like marijuana to become legal. People should be able to choose for themselves and not have the belief that it's bad for them forced on to them by biased organizations who ignore the possitive affects and exagerate the negative.
If it was illegal the weed would be safer, the government will be able to tax it and police will have more time to focus on the real criminals.
Does anyone no of the marijuana community called Exidus? They seem like the most kindest and forgiving people I know. Still the guy staying with them still reported them.
They even had children there and how would it affect them with the police came busting down there door and confiscating something that doesn't seem to affect them badly at all.
It is legal to grow some shroom strains in England but it's illegal to prepare them and I'm pretty sure it's illegal to consume them.
I tired growing them once but it didn't work, though I think I came close.
I would like marijuana to become legal. People should be able to choose for themselves and not have the belief that it's bad for them forced on to them by biased organizations who ignore the possitive affects and exagerate the negative.
If it was illegal the weed would be safer, the government will be able to tax it and police will have more time to focus on the real criminals.
Does anyone no of the marijuana community called Exidus? They seem like the most kindest and forgiving people I know. Still the guy staying with them still reported them.
They even had children there and how would it affect them with the police came busting down there door and confiscating something that doesn't seem to affect them badly at all.
| QUOTE (wunarmdscissor @ Feb 26 2004, 03:56 PM) |
| Its the people you hang around with, the people you "choose" to surround you not the drug you take first. |
Agreed, I'm living proof
Like i said the minute you smoke hash you dont automatically say b***s to life i what to become a smack head livin insqualor.
its the people you surround yourself with.
its the people you surround yourself with.
| QUOTE (wunarmdscissor @ Feb 26 2004, 04:07 PM) |
| Like i said the minute you smoke hash you dont automatically say b***s to life i what to become a smack head livin insqualor. its the people you surround yourself with. |
Agreed again, they're two very different types of drugs, to coin a phrase, you get uppers and downers.
Marijuana is a "downer" and relaxes you, numbs pain and well, can make you pretty damn lazy aswell, much the same as alcohol.
Cocaine and speed are uppers, and taken by a different sub-culture within society.
I usually find that those that smoke the happy herb like it because it's all natural, Cocaine and other class A's go completely against this principal
Alot of people will probably thing i am wrong in saying this,but.......i have teenage sons,i don't want them to drink/do drugs or anything at all,however....i think i'd much rather they smoke a joint while out with their friends rather than to get drunk.Sure,there's alot of bad things said about marijuana,but alot of it's not true either.I'd much rather my kids smoke a joint and be mellow than to get drunk and fight,drive or other things.
I am from california, USA. We are about as close as the US has come in the fight to legalize Pot. Usually when the Police catch anyone using/have Pot they just make us do the "California Stomp" and empty the bag out on the ground and crush it in the asphault. We have many "clubs" around here who serve "medical Pot" to patients. Unfortunatly there are many "patients" who have payed off doctors for a prescription. All in all we might as well legalize it as I don't know many folks who DON"T use it.
As for it being a "gateway" drug. IMO Cigarettes and Alcohol are the Real "gateway" drugs. Most people who I know that drink and smoke cig's/cigars have tried Pot at least if not more. Now lets take a look at people who don't smoke OR drink, I'll bet they havent even tried ANYTHING for the most part.
As for it being a "gateway" drug. IMO Cigarettes and Alcohol are the Real "gateway" drugs. Most people who I know that drink and smoke cig's/cigars have tried Pot at least if not more. Now lets take a look at people who don't smoke OR drink, I'll bet they havent even tried ANYTHING for the most part.
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