Hi,

First of all my english is not perfect, sorry about that.
I am new in this forums and it looks very interesting.

So, i am posting here my point of view about god:

When i was studying bible(i am from Israel) in school it was not so interesting to me and i didn't thought a lot about this.
Then(after a few years) i started to think that it can't be all(UFO's, gods powers, life creation) done just by accident, there should be something
Think about it - if some expedition from our days will travel to the past(3000BC for example) with all our latest technology and developments, the ancient civilizations will see in us some gods(weak gods because we are not ***so advanced***, but still...) or their "agents".
It is possible that some ancient and very advanced technologically life forms was helping us.

Now there is some interesting questions:
Is god created us or just was interfering after our beginning of existence?
If he created us, was it for some purpose? what he wanted to accomplish?
Where is he now? is he still watching us(and maybe still interfering)?
The god, is he alone? is it a whole civilization?
There was dozens of questions in my mind but can't remember all of them now.

Now, some explanation of mine about some events in the bible:

When Yakov was fighting with god, Yakov won - that can be explained by that god was fighting in he's true form without any technological help.
Garden of eden - in case the god created us, for any(almost) purpose, he wanted he's creation to be able advancing, what is the key for developing new technology and advancing? curiosity!!! i believe the real test(apple tree test) was curiosity. if we weren't curious enough, it is meaning his new creation has failed. So actually we pass the test - we ate the apple.
Our creation - it is wrote that the god created us by his image, i believe it means that the basic elements of the body are the same but not sure about anything else.
Almost any event that involving magical powers can be explained as uses of very advanced technologically devices.

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What such advanced race can't accomplish by he's own? Why he need to create a new basic life form?
If it was a man power, he could create life form(or clones) with already enough knowledge and why to wait such a long time for the results?

I didn't learn other religious but i believe that Koran and egyptian mythlogy, greek mythology... also leads eventually to this.

There is much more for me to say, maybe later.

Many are stories which evolve into legends, myths and eventually lore. Many people rely on the 'Gods/Aliens/Omnipresent Reptilian Grey Shape-shifting, Black Wearing, Blood Drinking things' to offer an explanation to the unkown. There were Religions before Judaism, Islam, Christianity - to name some of the most notable, Paganism for example.
A trend common in all Religions however is that many share the same story lines and characters. Jesus for example is present not only in the obvious Religion Christianity, but Islam and Judaism too.

Also i think this is the wrong thread.

If you mean the thread is in the wrong forum then I think you are correct. This would be far better suited to the Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs forum than the Ancient Mysteries & Alternative History, so I will move it.

Sorry mate, I cant get past the language barrier.

I'll translate it...

Wouldn't it be something else if we traveled back in time and instead of being seen as gods we were out powered by the ancients? Some ancient technology, mainly that which was utilized in building the megalithic structures around the world, cannot be recreated by modern society even with all our 'assumed' technological advances compared to the ancients. My personal theory is the ancients had technology, quite advanced, but not in the same directions in which we have advanced ours.



This is the theory a few subscribe to. Some believe aliens will return soon and claim they helped us become civilized and also brought us from the beast stage into humanity. That they taught us agriculture, mathematics and sciences, song and dance, language and writing, and culture in general.

Now some might claim the aliens are returning to help us onto our next stage of evolution once again, the new consciousness, the paradigm shift, but others will not trust the aliens and see them as demon tricksters, who might claim to be gods or sent from the gods, and view that as a deception. The book of Enoch describes the fallen angels, demons, as teaching mankind many things, and that before the Noah's Flood or the Great Deluge that civilization was advances because of demons and it was a technology and spirit of the age that would have destroyed mankind.



Many views will arise I believe God created us, even though we have had interlopers from the spiritual realm attempt to hide this fact, and that God not only directs the whole of mankind to fit His master plan but that we can also allow God to direct us personally. Of course some disagree and disbelieve but this is my view.



I do not know exactly. To be able to know Him perhaps. To be able to choose Him maybe.



Yes and yes in my humble opinion.



There is only one God but He has the angels and maybe even some of the dead who are in spirit form now.



Did Yakov really win? Or was it a struggle that God knew how exactly it would end? With Jacob not giving up and finally asking for a blessing maybe it is representative of how we each must struggle with God, allow our will, as Jacob's thigh, to be injured, so we can truly receive the blessing. Some think the man Jacob wrestled with was an angel some as you have said think it was God himself in human form. After though when his name was changed to Israel, which means struggle with God, it can also be seen as the history of the Israelites for they have struggled with God throughout history, and in the same way each of use are simply unable to accept God, we have to struggle with it until we can finally accept. This struggle can simply be questioning God until His true power can be seen. This struggle is the antithesis of blind faith, which blind faith is bad for one to maintain, they should truly know by reinforced faith why they worship and follow God.



I believe God created mankind (Adam) and life (Eve) and that the tree of life was our direct spiritual connection to God and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was the disconnection, our own will, our own logic, our own wish to become like God without needing God. This is 'gnosis' this is why the serpent told us if we ate of the fruit our eyes would be opened and we could be like God. This mindset is strong today and it is the original sin. But you touch on an important aspect not just of curiosity but its implications of free will. In a way we are allowed to choose or not choose God, to be curious about others thing, but using our intellect and heart we can reconcile both and also reconcile them together with God if we choose to so we can understand Him once again.



His image is a concept that for me is difficult to understand and maybe for others. What is it exactly? Your idea is one of many. I used to think it was the circle, all the systems are circular, our body is made up of circular systems, and no matter how far we go in or out the circle remains. Now I wonder if the image of God is actually what separates us from the animals. We can connect to God through the spirit. Animals and rocks can praise God it says in the Bible. But we are the only ones who can choose or not choose God. Maybe the image is free will combined with the spirit. I do not know and most of the examples others have offered do not convince me to accept them.




Ethics is what stops mankind from fully accepting us making clones on some levels. Mr Walker gives wonderful argument for why we should ethically look into clones and advance the technology. I see a bit of danger that can happen and we have to be careful in how we go about it.



You are right in that all religions lead into some forms of spirituality and understanding of esoteric mysteries. Religion and science are only going to get closer in the future and this is mainly due to science making serious inquiries in how religion works.

Very interesting - "not in the same direction"? it gave a thought about the purpose of our creation. Look, when a civilization advancing in some specific direction, they can't view beyond that, i mean the ideas and all the thoughts generally goes by that direction of advancement.
Maybe the god also have this problem, how to solve it? create new life forms and let them advance to other directions. Then after a long period of time and advancements, maybe he could gain(maybe he already gain some goods) something from it because they are advancing in other direction than he is.
Here is a picture to demonstrate:



I know, it is a little crazy to think this way, but if you stick to this theory(an alien god) it makes a lot of sense.