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thunkerdrone
http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/

Operation Inform the Soldiers

PRESS RELEASE

A political activist group is sending letters and DVDs to U.S. soldiers stationed in Iraq
telling them 9/11 was an inside job


San Diego, CA – A group of over three thousand political activists are planning to send letters to soldiers stationed in Iraq telling them that America is largely to blame for the 9/11 attacks.

“We support the troops in their efforts to protect the Iraqi people, but want them to know the real reason they have put themselves in harms way,” explains Mark Dice, founder of The Resistance, a Christian media watch dog group based in San Diego.

Dice is urging people in his organization and others to write letters to soldiers in Iraq and explain the evidence that the 9/11 attacks were aided by corrupt U.S. officials for political purposes. According to a 2006 Scripts Howard News Service poll, 36 percent of Americans believe that elements within the U.S. government purposely allowed the attacks to happen, or aided the terrorists to ensure the attacks.

“I personally know U.S. Marines who believe 9/11 was an inside job, and they tell me that many Marines suspect that this is the case but are afraid to speak up out of fear of punishment,” says Dice.

“I don’t want the soldiers who are risking their lives in Iraq to be used as pawns in the creation of the New World Order.”

“We want U.S. troops to know that we care about them and are doing our best to make sure that they don’t have to risk their lives based on false pretenses,” concludes Dice.

Aside from writing letters and sending declassified documents to the troops, The Resistance is encouraging people to send DVDs to soldiers, since some of them have access to portable DVD players and computers. Recommended DVDs are Loose Change: Final Cut, Terror Storm, and 9/11 Press for Truth.

People can register for free at www.AdoptAusSoldier.org and will then be given a specific soldiers name and the address to send your materials to. Also check churches online or in your area, because many have similar programs.

Dice has handed out over 1000 free DVDs of the documentary film Loose Change at college campuses in southern California, and had a highly publicized confrontation with actor Danny Bonnaduce on the streets of Hollywood where Bonnaduce almost attacked him for saying 9/11 was an inside job. His activism will be featured in Alex Jones' new film 9/11 Chronicles: Truth Rising, which will be released on DVD July 4th and available for free on Google Video.

The Resistance is an international media watchdog organization with over 3000 members. They have made international news for rebuking various Hollywood celebrities for their ridiculous behavior, including Jessica Simpson, Paris Hilton, 50 Cent, Tom Cruise and others. They recently launched a boycott of Starbucks saying the company’s retro logo looks like a prostitute with her legs spread, and called the company “****bucks.”

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Contact:

Mark Dice

Mark@TheResistanceManifesto.com


Copyright © by The Resistance Manifesto All Rights Reserved.

Published on: 2008-06-09 (379 reads)
acidhead43
Thunkerdrone,

You're listening to Alex Jone's live right now!

Way to get the word out bud!

Keep up the infowar!
Fluffybunny
Soldiers have enough on their hands right now without people sending things like this to them, it is in bad taste. What are they going to do about it? quit? Take the next bus home? I mean they have internet access and are likely aware of the idea, so it will come as no surprise, but it still seems like a low blow to me. They have better things to occupy their time with right now than this kind of stuff...

There is a time when they will be able to deal with whether they think 9/11 was in inside job or not; in the midst of an unbreakable contract with the militaryand while in the middle of combat is not the right time.
Michelle
You beat me to it, Fluffy... thumbsup.gif
thunkerdrone
QUOTE (acidhead43 @ Jun 10 2008, 12:00 PM) *
Thunkerdrone, You're listening to Alex Jone's live right now!
Way to get the word out bud!
Keep up the infowar!


this is fantastic strategy. I hope more of this type of targeted effort is done.
The truth movement is too disorganized. I hope the same can be done with
police, firefighters, city councillors, etc. Organize mailing campaigns to strategically
targeted groups. Use the same time and money to achieve ten times the effect.

The troops will enjoy receiving enlightening and informative materials, and when
they return home they will be on the side of truth.

Next, we send every police officer in America the same information, then every
firefighter, then every city councillor. It can be done.





acidhead43
QUOTE (Fluffybunny @ Jun 10 2008, 10:01 AM) *
Soldiers have enough on their hands right now without people sending things like this to them, it is in bad taste. What are they going to do about it? quit? Take the next bus home? I mean they have internet access and are likely aware of the idea, so it will come as no surprise, but it still seems like a low blow to me. They have better things to occupy their time with right now than this kind of stuff...

There is a time when they will be able to deal with whether they think 9/11 was in inside job or not; in the midst of an unbreakable contract with the militaryand while in the middle of combat is not the right time.





The truth hurts... anytime.




Fluffybunny
Whether it is the truth is still up to debate, sending dvd's accusing their own country (they feel they are defending) of orchestrating 9/11, to the soldiers fighting the war (as a result of 9/11) is in pretty poor taste...not much to debate about that.

Perhaps if this organization gave as much speculation to the impact and frustration on the soldiers and the slap in the face they felt from these dvd's, as the speculation as to the cause of 9/11, they would rethink this plan.

thunkerdrone
QUOTE (Fluffybunny @ Jun 10 2008, 12:39 PM) *
Whether it is the truth is still up to debate, sending dvd's accusing their own country (they feel they are defending) of orchestrating 9/11, to the soldiers fighting the war (as a result of 9/11) is in pretty poor taste...not much to debate about that.

Perhaps if this organization gave as much speculation to the impact and frustration on the soldiers and the slap in the face they felt from these dvd's, as the speculation as to the cause of 9/11, they would rethink this plan.



You are in no position to predetermine for them how they will react to receiving this truthful information. 80% of Americans are opposed to the Iraq war.
A good % of the soldiers are rethinking their involvement in it. For all you know,
the DVD's could have a positive impact, in that they will see some hope or light at the end of
the tunnel. If they feel that a movement is afoot inside the U.S. to end their misery overseas.

acidhead43
Also, Ron Paul the respected Texan congressman and economist received more donations from Troops than any other candidate...

Any other candidate!.. and he's not even on the ticket!

That is a fact and those actions speak louder than anything the MSM can conjure up to divide the public's opinion about what the Troops are thinking.
Fluffybunny
Explain the logic that allows for a positive impact to come from these dvd's to get delivered to soldiers. Soldiers who have volunteered to leave their friends and families, homes and jobs to go half way around the world who are in the worst possible conditions, extreme heat, poor food, limited sanitation. Constantly sweaty, dirty, hungry, afraid of dying in some random roadside blast they wont see coming. Watching kids grow up via email photos and spouses taking care of things while they are gone. They have undergone financial hardship as many have taken a big hit to their finances from their civilian jobs to their military pay, but they do not have a choice in that...

They are under a constant threat of bodily harm every day and night; even in the safest places they can lay their head. Any day can be their last day and they all know that and they have to live with that. But you know what? with all of the disgruntled military people they have one thing to hang their hopes and determination on; that they are doing their duty to keep their family and country back home safe. At least they have that to focus on until they can come home. A goal...serve the country...protect the country, protect my country, my family, my loved ones...everyones' loved ones...

...and you want to send them a dvd full of speculation, that craps all over that.

Good thinking. thumbsup.gif

If you want to have a positive impact on those soldiers, send a care package with snack foods and baby wipes so that can be clean for a few hours and have a full belly with the foods they miss the most.

They will have plenty of time to determine if the us government did pull of 9/11 when they get home. Right now they have a job to do that requires 100% focus. It is digusting to send this stuff to them while they are there trying to do a job; insensitive, thoughtless, wreckless.

To actually go out and target soldiers for this material makes me question the thought processes of the supporters of the 9/11 idea more than ever.
acidhead43
QUOTE (Fluffybunny @ Jun 10 2008, 11:42 AM) *
Explain the logic that allows for a positive impact to come from these dvd's to get delivered to soldiers. Soldiers who have volunteered to leave their friends and families, homes and jobs to go half way around the world who are in the worst possible conditions, extreme heat, poor food, limited sanitation. Constantly sweaty, dirty, hungry, afraid of dying in some random roadside blast they wont see coming. Watching kids grow up via email photos and spouses taking care of things while they are gone. They have undergone financial hardship as many have taken a big hit to their finances from their civilian jobs to their military pay, but they do not have a choice in that...

They are under a constant threat of bodily harm every day and night; even in the safest places they can lay their head. Any day can be their last day and they all know that and they have to live with that. But you know what? with all of the disgruntled military people they have one thing to hang their hopes and determination on; that they are doing their duty to keep their family and country back home safe. At least they have that to focus on until they can come home. A goal...serve the country...protect the country, protect my country, my family, my loved ones...everyones' loved ones...

...and you want to send them a dvd full of speculation, that craps all over that.

Good thinking. thumbsup.gif

If you want to have a positive impact on those soldiers, send a care package with snack foods and baby wipes so that can be clean for a few hours and have a full belly with the foods they miss the most.

They will have plenty of time to determine if the us government did pull of 9/11 when they get home. Right now they have a job to do that requires 100% focus. It is digusting to send this stuff to them while they are there trying to do a job; insensitive, thoughtless, wreckless.

To actually go out and target soldiers for this material makes me question the thought processes of the supporters of the 9/11 idea more than ever.



Again, your opinion differs from mine and the majority of soldiers.

You're country invaded Iraq killing thousands of muslims and you consider my country safer for it?

Stupid propoganda.. how can anyone buy into that?!...

Fluffybunny
If you have ever read any of my posts here on the topic, you know where I stand on this war and have since the getgo, I have been against the war.

I have simply been in the military long enough and in combat enough to likely have better idea how things are going to land than anyone that is for this idea. I am simply stating a mindset that the military sets; you can call ity brainwashing or whatever you like, but it is something that gives the troops something to focus on in the midst of miserable conditions. It works...it is a carrot on a stick...That is the way it is and has always been.

Are you saying that the majority of the soldiers believe that the US orchestrated 9/11? care to back that up?

747400
I wonder what most of the troops who get one of these little gifts will do with it? Will they watch it and then say "Gosh, I'm convinced, our president orchestrated the murder of thousands of our fellow citizens"; or will they find some alternative, more imaginative uses for them?

I wonder which it will be?
747400
I just saw this bit:

QUOTE
"The Resistance" recently launched a boycott of Starbucks saying the company’s retro logo looks like a prostitute with her legs spread, and called the company “****bucks.”

Ah yes, I saw about that. That's one way to give your campaign credibility, and convince hard-bitten troops that you're not a bunch of fringe loons.

:-/
mrbusdriver
Might be careful about putting a return address on said packages, because the troops receiving them won't appreciate your...

uh, nevermind...
Incorrigible1
QUOTE (thunkerdrone @ Jun 10 2008, 11:55 AM) *
http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/



“We support the troops............

Utter bull excretion.
jaylemurph
QUOTE (Fluffybunny @ Jun 10 2008, 03:49 PM) *
If you have ever read any of my posts here on the topic, you know where I stand on this war and have since the getgo, I have been against the war.

I have simply been in the military long enough and in combat enough to likely have better idea how things are going to land than anyone that is for this idea. I am simply stating a mindset that the military sets; you can call ity brainwashing or whatever you like, but it is something that gives the troops something to focus on in the midst of miserable conditions. It works...it is a carrot on a stick...That is the way it is and has always been.

Are you saying that the majority of the soldiers believe that the US orchestrated 9/11? care to back that up?


My first reaction to this was exactly like FB's: that it is in awfully bad taste, and ultimately pretty damn disrespectful to the soldiers. After more thought, I have too much respect for soldiers' and sailors' intellect to think that they (allow themselves) to take this too seriously.

That's my story and until my *** gets far better training and much, much braver, I'm stickin' too it.

[Not that they would let people like me in the armed forces, anyway, but still...]

--Jaylemurph
el midgetron
QUOTE (747400 @ Jun 10 2008, 08:00 PM) *
I just saw this bit:


Ah yes, I saw about that. That's one way to give your campaign credibility, and convince hard-bitten troops that you're not a bunch of fringe loons.

:-/


Right, like the nutcases who see terrorists in donut ads...

QUOTE
Some observers, including ultra-conservative Fox News commentator Michelle Malkin, were so incensed by the ad that there was even talk of a Dunkin’ Donuts boycott.


http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/article...rachael_ray_ad/


Holy rollers see moral coruption everywhere and feel they must save people from it, the same way the neo-conservatives see terrorism everywhere and must save people from it. Right or wrong, I think the holy rollers actualy believe what they are saying, where as the neo-conservatives are just full of it.
jaylemurph
QUOTE (el midgetron @ Jun 10 2008, 10:58 PM) *
Holy rollers see moral coruption everywhere and feel they must save people from it, the same way the neo-conservatives see terrorism everywhere and must save people from it. Right or wrong, I think the holy rollers actualy believe what they are saying, where as the neo-conservatives are just full of it.


...I thought that was CTers.

[Honestly, that was just a joke, I promise. It was just too utterly perfect a set up to ignore.]

--Jaylemurph
Incorrigible1
QUOTE (el midgetron @ Jun 10 2008, 09:58 PM) *
Right, like the nutcases who see terrorists in donut ads...



http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/article...rachael_ray_ad/


Holy rollers see moral coruption everywhere and feel they must save people from it, the same way the neo-conservatives see terrorism everywhere and must save people from it. Right or wrong, I think the holy rollers actualy believe what they are saying, where as the neo-conservatives are just full of it.

Thank you for painting those who disapprove of this shameful little exercise as "holy rollers" and "neo-conservatives." What a broad brush you utilize. Now excuse me whilst I projectile-vomit.
747400
QUOTE (Incorrigible1 @ Jun 11 2008, 07:56 AM) *
Thank you for painting those who disapprove of this shameful little exercise as "holy rollers" and "neo-conservatives." What a broad brush you utilize. Now excuse me whilst I projectile-vomit.

I don't think that's what he was saying, was it? I think he was calling those who carried out this little exercise as the "holy rollers", and he wasn't calling anyone "neo-conservatives" , just drawing an analogy, as I see it.
Slave2Fate
If I was still in the Army, I would have used those DVD's as target practice angry.gif
HotDogBun
Mark Dice is a right-wing christian extremist bigot - he hates homosexuals and non-christians. He is almost as bad as Fred Phelps.
Cradle of Fish
This is absolutely ridiculous. You're trying to tell soldiers who are over there and have to deal with the violence of extremist Islam every day, including suicide bombings, that Islam isn't actually that bad, and the US government is much worse?

It's insulting to their intelligence. Sure the US government has done a lot of bad, there's no denying it, but they're not anywhere near the same level as extremist Islam. Don't be suprised if a soldier comes back after receiving one of these things and starts shooting.
bigdog112
QUOTE (Fluffybunny @ Jun 10 2008, 05:01 PM) *
Soldiers have enough on their hands right now without people sending things like this to them, it is in bad taste. What are they going to do about it? quit? Take the next bus home? I mean they have internet access and are likely aware of the idea, so it will come as no surprise, but it still seems like a low blow to me. They have better things to occupy their time with right now than this kind of stuff...

There is a time when they will be able to deal with whether they think 9/11 was in inside job or not; in the midst of an unbreakable contract with the militaryand while in the middle of combat is not the right time.



most of them wont have the time....

acidhead43
QUOTE (Cradle of Fish @ Jun 11 2008, 02:05 AM) *
This is absolutely ridiculous. You're trying to tell soldiers who are over there and have to deal with the violence of extremist Islam every day, including suicide bombings, that Islam isn't actually that bad, and the US government is much worse?

It's insulting to their intelligence. Sure the US government has done a lot of bad, there's no denying it, but they're not anywhere near the same level as extremist Islam. Don't be suprised if a soldier comes back after receiving one of these things and starts shooting.




Before the USA invaded their were no suicide bombers in Iraq...

... Should the USA try to occupy Canada the same senario will most probably happen here.
el midgetron
QUOTE (747400 @ Jun 11 2008, 07:37 AM) *
I don't think that's what he was saying, was it? I think he was calling those who carried out this little exercise as the "holy rollers", and he wasn't calling anyone "neo-conservatives" , just drawing an analogy, as I see it.


Yeah, the "resistance" is a christian organization. Nothing wrong with that but I think it helps put their views of the starbucks logo into perspective.

Not really sure how Incorrigible1 got what he did from my comment. Maybe he was drunk since he needed to "vomit"? jk incor
Incorrigible1
QUOTE (el midgetron @ Jun 11 2008, 11:16 AM) *
Yeah, the "resistance" is a christian organization. Nothing wrong with that but I think it helps put their views of the starbucks logo into perspective.

Not really sure how Incorrigible1 got what he did from my comment. Maybe he was drunk since he needed to "vomit"? jk incor

My apology for misinterpreting your posting. Wasn't drunk, but it was quite late.
Sunofone
QUOTE (Fluffybunny @ Jun 10 2008, 02:49 PM) *
Are you saying that the majority of the soldiers believe that the US orchestrated 9/11? care to back that up?

ron pauls donation facts are all you need-- he is a regular on the alex jones show for years and i would say a majority of the troops still have a little common sense and logical reason left no matter how much training/brainwashing they have been indictorinated with-- just because you cant accept the testimony of nyfd that are adament about what they saw,heard and felt or the admitted history of the military industrial complex in manufacturing terror events to create indignation it doesnt mean that all the troops are that stupid-- the evidence is in plain sight and the acts of mark dice should be commended as the realization that troops will feel when they are aware that they are NOT crazy and that the genocide they have been ordered to carry out IS COMPLETELY wrong will have only positive results towards JUSTICE-- even though luke is credited with the creation of we are change i believe he was inspired by john conner as well as alex jones of course -true patriots and americans not scared to speak truth to power
Bella-Angelique
It will end up in the same place all unsolicited junk mail ends up, in the trash.
There is no way anyone in the service would be caught dead holding onto this garbage.
Dr. D
QUOTE (Fluffybunny @ Jun 10 2008, 07:42 PM) *
Explain the logic that allows for a positive impact to come from these dvd's to get delivered to soldiers. Soldiers who have volunteered to leave their friends and families, homes and jobs to go half way around the world who are in the worst possible conditions, extreme heat, poor food, limited sanitation. Constantly sweaty, dirty, hungry, afraid of dying in some random roadside blast they wont see coming. Watching kids grow up via email photos and spouses taking care of things while they are gone. They have undergone financial hardship as many have taken a big hit to their finances from their civilian jobs to their military pay, but they do not have a choice in that...

They are under a constant threat of bodily harm every day and night; even in the safest places they can lay their head. Any day can be their last day and they all know that and they have to live with that. But you know what? with all of the disgruntled military people they have one thing to hang their hopes and determination on; that they are doing their duty to keep their family and country back home safe. At least they have that to focus on until they can come home. A goal...serve the country...protect the country, protect my country, my family, my loved ones...everyones' loved ones...

...and you want to send them a dvd full of speculation, that craps all over that.

Good thinking. thumbsup.gif

If you want to have a positive impact on those soldiers, send a care package with snack foods and baby wipes so that can be clean for a few hours and have a full belly with the foods they miss the most.

They will have plenty of time to determine if the us government did pull of 9/11 when they get home. Right now they have a job to do that requires 100% focus. It is digusting to send this stuff to them while they are there trying to do a job; insensitive, thoughtless, wreckless.

To actually go out and target soldiers for this material makes me question the thought processes of the supporters of the 9/11 idea more than ever.


While I agree with the bulk of your message, your comment, "Soldiers who have volunteered to leave their friends and families, homes and jobs to go half way around the world who are in the worst possible conditions, extreme heat, poor food, limited sanitation," may not be completely true.

The majority of these soldier volunteered to be in military service or National Guard for education benefits later or as an alternative to a shrinking job market. While some got the Rambo fever and wanted to have a war experience, declining recruitment figures cause me to doubt that was the case with most.
Sunofone
QUOTE (Bella-Angelique @ Jun 11 2008, 12:21 PM) *
It will end up in the same place all unsolicited junk mail ends up, in the trash.
There is no way anyone in the service would be caught dead holding onto this garbage.

i beg to differ there are still plenty of Pat Tillman's still alive
ilr
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747400
QUOTE (Expatriate @ Jun 11 2008, 06:25 PM) *
While I agree with the bulk of your message, your comment, "Soldiers who have volunteered to leave their friends and families, homes and jobs to go half way around the world who are in the worst possible conditions, extreme heat, poor food, limited sanitation," may not be completely true.

The majority of these soldier volunteered to be in military service or National Guard for education benefits later or as an alternative to a shrinking job market. While some got the Rambo fever and wanted to have a war experience, declining recruitment figures cause me to doubt that was the case with most.

To be fair, I don't think Fluffy was arguing that that "war experience" was their main motivation. In any case, whatever their reasons, that wouldn't be likely to alter the contempt with which they'd treat this bunch of fruitcakes, I wouldn't have thought.
Fluffybunny
QUOTE (Sunofone @ Jun 11 2008, 10:14 AM) *
ron pauls donation facts are all you need-- he is a regular on the alex jones show for years and i would say a majority of the troops still have a little common sense and logical reason left no matter how much training/brainwashing they have been indictorinated with-- just because you cant accept the testimony of nyfd that are adament about what they saw,heard and felt or the admitted history of the military industrial complex in manufacturing terror events to create indignation it doesnt mean that all the troops are that stupid-- the evidence is in plain sight and the acts of mark dice should be commended as the realization that troops will feel when they are aware that they are NOT crazy and that the genocide they have been ordered to carry out IS COMPLETELY wrong will have only positive results towards JUSTICE-- even though luke is credited with the creation of we are change i believe he was inspired by john conner as well as alex jones of course -true patriots and americans not scared to speak truth to power

I have actually been to New York and went to Ladder Ten(A firehouse litterally across the street from WTC that lost 6 Firefighters) and talked face to face to firefighters there that day. Had dinner there with my Chief and Ladder tens Chief. I know what has been said about the firefighters of 9/11 very well, thanks. Some of it is correct, some of it is taken out of context, some of it is wrong, just like the rest of the 9/11 conspiricy theory.

As for ron Pauls donations; Ron Paul does not run his platform on the idea that the US government orchestrated 9/11, and you wont find that on his bumper stickers or presidential campaign website, so the fact that people donate to him do not mean that they believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by our government and the fact that you are throwing that out as some kind of evidence of that fact shows some seriously flawed thinking...
Fluffybunny
QUOTE (747400 @ Jun 11 2008, 10:47 AM) *
To be fair, I don't think Fluffy was arguing that that "war experience" was their main motivation. In any case, whatever their reasons, that wouldn't be likely to alter the contempt with which they'd treat this bunch of fruitcakes, I wouldn't have thought.

No, thanks for pointing that out.

I think I may have had some degree of assumed knowledge with my comment...I apologize I didnt quite get my point across. People join Reserves, NG, and Active duty for a lot of reasons...From simply wanting to serve in the military, learning a particular skill or trade, money for school, experience, travel, family tradition, financial stability...there are all kinds of reasons...or a mix of reasons that change from time to time. Rambo fever is a surprisingly small percentage of that...
Cradle of Fish
QUOTE (acidhead43 @ Jun 11 2008, 04:30 PM) *
Before the USA invaded their were no suicide bombers in Iraq...

... Should the USA try to occupy Canada the same senario will most probably happen here.


Radical Islam doesn't begin and end with suicide bombers in Iraq. There has been a radical wing of Islam for 900 years+, the US didn't create it, the US has just presented itself as a target due to it's actions in the region. If the US didn't back Israel, they would be going after someone else, probably Russia or Europe with the same amount of fervor.
InHuman
No, horrible idea.. its just putting more unnessacary pressure on them and going to cause more harm then anything else.

What idiot thought this crap up?
The Silver Thong
QUOTE (Cradle of Fish @ Jun 11 2008, 09:18 PM) *
Radical Islam doesn't begin and end with suicide bombers in Iraq. There has been a radical wing of Islam for 900 years+, the US didn't create it, the US has just presented itself as a target due to it's actions in the region. If the US didn't back Israel, they would be going after someone else, probably Russia or Europe with the same amount of fervor.


I agree to a point, there have always been radical movements from any what side you want to confer to given any belief system. However radical regime change forced upon, not a nation but a region well create much more disdain and radicalism, in a sense it could unite them. The ME is a prime example of why America/western nations are a target. We look at what we think is wrong move in and guess what it's totally out of the realm of these people to accept it completely over night. Yes the west with all it's media has changed the ME drastically, but not to the point they want to give up everything and adopt the wests way of doing things. Drastic regime change can not have much of a positive effect on the people, hence they never fought for it and they accepted what they had and have become accustom to it. For example, if Russia had won the cold war, how many in the west would have adopted communism as the norm ? It does take time but it also takes the willingness of the people.

Fluffy, I do understand that this material should not be distributed in this fashion and feel the same as you. If this was done as a mail package for returning soldiers fine so be it, but not while they are over there trying to live. Nor should it be given to families that have sons and daughters over there. Let them decide what they want when they get home and can discuss it in a means that they feel comfortable.
Incorrigible1
QUOTE (The Silver Thong @ Jun 11 2008, 11:19 PM) *
Fluffy, I do understand that this material should not be distributed in this fashion and feel the same as you. If this was done as a mail package for returning soldiers fine so be it, but not while they are over there trying to live. Nor should it be given to families that have sons and daughters over there. Let them decide what they want when they get home and can discuss it in a means that they feel comfortable.

Agreed, and wish to extend to those who feel justified in the purpose of this program: You're ideas are idiotic, naive, and reek of stupidity.
thunkerdrone
you people who are saying "oh, I too am opposed to the war, and I think your DVDs may even be true, and some of the troops may even agree with you,
but lets not let the truth upset our happy little killers over there. It might upset them to hear it. Why let the truth get in the way of innocent civilians being starved, raped, tortured, and murdered by our little troopies?"
Best not to upset them before they head out for another 'raid'.

You people need to seriously rethink this.
Have you any idea of the level of war crimes and sadism being committed over there against innocent people because the youthful troops have been pumped full of zionist crap and hate propaganda?
747400
We need say no more, I think.
Incorrigible1
QUOTE (747400 @ Jun 12 2008, 03:31 AM) *
We need say no more, I think.

Indeed. Verily, it is thus. No matter how much the OP doeth protest!
telirium
QUOTE (Fluffybunny @ Jun 10 2008, 12:01 PM) *
They have better things to occupy their time with right now than this kind of stuff...

like what? killing people? oh thats so much better.
Slave2Fate
So you change tactics from defending your conspiracy to vilifying our troops? I can see how that can change a skeptics mind.....actually, no, I don't.
Cradle of Fish
QUOTE (The Silver Thong @ Jun 12 2008, 04:19 AM) *
I agree to a point, there have always been radical movements from any what side you want to confer to given any belief system. However radical regime change forced upon, not a nation but a region well create much more disdain and radicalism, in a sense it could unite them. The ME is a prime example of why America/western nations are a target. We look at what we think is wrong move in and guess what it's totally out of the realm of these people to accept it completely over night. Yes the west with all it's media has changed the ME drastically, but not to the point they want to give up everything and adopt the wests way of doing things. Drastic regime change can not have much of a positive effect on the people, hence they never fought for it and they accepted what they had and have become accustom to it. For example, if Russia had won the cold war, how many in the west would have adopted communism as the norm ? It does take time but it also takes the willingness of the people.


I don't know if that's necessarily true, that our actions has created more radicalism. Our actions don't drive young men and women to suspend their reason and critical thinking and accept a violent doctrine. All our actions do is focus their attention in one place. Terrorist attacks appear to be down in the world because all the islamic extremists don't even have to leave their own region to attack Americans, and all the attackers are being counted as enemy combatants instead of terrorists.
Incorrigible1
QUOTE (telirium @ Jun 12 2008, 03:45 AM) *
like what? killing people? oh thats so much better.

Just how naive can one person be? Would you have cringed at the thought of hundreds of thousands of soldiers/sailors working their trade in 1944? Yes, I think you would have.
telirium
are there foreign armies on our soil? are they occupying our lands? are they terrorizing our citizens? no? interesting. unlike a lot of war-hungry people out there i respect life and do not seek it out to shoot it in the head. have a little more empathy towards your fellow man. we are, after all, one and the same.
thunkerdrone
QUOTE (Slave2Fate @ Jun 12 2008, 02:53 AM) *
So you change tactics from defending your conspiracy to vilifying our troops?.



most of the troops are just following orders and trying to fit in and adjust to the madness around them.
They are being manipulated and misinformed. Some troops are bribed to commit acts of extreme sadism
and bully others into following along.

The true villainy goes right to the top, and some of it is right here on this forum.



747400
QUOTE (thunkerdrone @ Jun 12 2008, 11:34 AM) *
most of the troops are just following orders and trying to fit in and adjust to the madness around them.
They are being manipulated and misinformed. Some troops are bribed to commit acts of extreme sadism
and bully others into following along.

The true villainy goes right to the top, and some of it is right here on this forum.

Could you offer some clarification of the latter point, perhaps?
jaylemurph
QUOTE (thunkerdrone @ Jun 12 2008, 06:34 AM) *
most of the troops are just following orders and trying to fit in and adjust to the madness around them.
They are being manipulated and misinformed. Some troops are bribed to commit acts of extreme sadism
and bully others into following along.

The true villainy goes right to the top, and some of it is right here on this forum.


Why is it at UM that every opinion different from your own is "manipulated and misinformed"? It's a common factor in CT cases that the conclusions held by the CTer is the only rational one possible. It's sad.

--Jaylemurph
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