Hello there, I've recently piqued an interest with Demonology as my er...travels I suppose you could call them have pointed my feet in that general direction. Unfortunately I know next to nothing about the subject, and ever hungry for knowledge, I figured here would be a good place to probe. I have no intentions of taking anything anyone says here to heart (no offense if that offends) in the manner of printing out pages of forum posts and running off and trying to "take care of" a demon like that.

Books, history, personal experiences, informed generalizations and more are all helpful :]
Like I said before, this is more of a learning experience.
Apologies if this is the wrong forum.

here we go

I'm sorry is this something of a Taboo topic here?

Not that I know,but then again I'm kinda new too. Someones bound to help out meanwhile I think I'll surf the net 4 you ok
Ill post up what I find and links so you can descide if u trust the knowledge. We all know there's fakers out there -_- that get money/publicity from fake experiences that probebly only 'happened' to them in a dream or pot-induced mind f*ck.

You should know better than to talk about something Unexplained & Mysterious on the Unexplained Mysteries Forum!!

Anyway, go find the Goetia, Lesser Key of Solomon that should be enough to start you off.

hey now this persons asking if anyone else on this site knows anything? Demonology is something that we cant determine truthful or a fact, because it's unknown field, only learn by experience, i'm sure this OP is looking for people who have experience with something similar to this, i'm sure you'll find someone who can help you, i cant because i have no experience, i only know technology pretty well.
Anyways why that person said "Here we go..." because just had a recent run in with someone in this field who was asking assitance about stuff but got defensive and wasnt really helping us with helping the person so yeah...just recently bit touchy, not that it's taboo, because it's not like your asking bout your date of death LOL
anyways i'm sure someone can help you if not now but soon.

At least he is not claiming to be a demon slayer. LOL.

You would think

Thanks that's really appreciated :]

Found a site hun! its got a bit on the study of demonology

http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/notab...demonology.html

this has a little on how to excorsise demons : http://www.ehow.com/how_2086221_exorcise-demons.html

heres some on demonic possession experience: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=...mp;pageId=58835


and some on demons on the 'astral plane' (different from physical demons but demons none-the-less) SOMEONES EXPERIENCE :

http://www.geocities.com/richard_holmes/es...ic/darkside.htm


Just to get you started hun

Thanks, I really appreciate this

Plainbob13: Lol, definitely not doing that

When you say demon slayer I imagine a tall black haired guy with black boots a hooded cloak,baggy leather trousers and a magical whip with a necklace that has green swirly mist containing 'demonic souls!' BEWARE ITS THE DOMINATRIX...oOps...I mean...ITS THE DEMON SLAYER!

Least I have the clothes right xD
(a Female version at least)

LOL i imagine someone wearing black clothes, tall, scruffy beared, black top hat with a card in it, like a Demon Bounty hunter, wears metal boots, has a gun LOL i've got an imaginative mind....but i wont get to imaginative lol
LOL Dominatrix LOL

I stole a book awhile back from a friend. Its called "The Magus." It cover a lot on demons. angels ,alchemy and other subjects.
Ya might want to look into that too. The book that is.

Zafael,

Look into the link below.

Demonology

I wrote this post quite some time ago, and it is very vague, I know however it does give some information. Eventually when I have more time I want to write a much longer post regarding the history on Demonology, summed up. Could be many pages though. Regardless, if you have any other questions, feel free to PM me.

God Bless, Azalin

Thanks a lot for your help Azalin :]

No apologies needed welcome , the best advice is just keep reading the posts and you will learn who to listen to as far as knowelege goes it will stand out after a while, there are several pages and a video index , alot of good exploring so don't rush it and don't appologize everyone was new at onetime...Aanica

Azalin certainly is one to know about the subject of Demonology!

I am more inclined to ask you what your motives are, and what captures your interest where demonics are concerned. Is this just a happenstance course of study you thought might be interesting? Or is there some reason you feel the need to educate yourself in this arena? Thanks. ~Jackal

A bit of both pots I suppose. If anything the original inkling came from a want to better understand a friend of mine who was/is studying the subject quite intently, but through time it's become more of an intellectual journey that yes, I thought would be, if nothing else, interesting to learn about.
No problem :3

I understand. What about your friend? What is the root for their journey down this often dangerous path? Thanks again. This will be the last of my questions. ~Jackal

I'm actually not entirely sure as he's never really given me a straight answer about it :[ I'm still asking though and I hope one day he has to strength to tell me.
No problem, I enjoy your thoroughness :]

Zafael, I appreciate your understanding. I view this as a serious endeavor, where many see the field with no more earnest intent than they give to watching cartoons. This subject, in particular, arouses some intense discource, if not ire in this forum. Some see demons as ghostly entities. Some see them as inhuman spirits bent on the destruction of man. There exist many religious aspects to the identifiable attributes that we already know of. And this, in itself, can cause fueds in this forum, as there are many atheists in here that don't see the need to incorporate the religious aspects of the entities. Some can not seperate the two, as they are almost one and the same. So there is much agitation and verbal combat over this topic.



I would be willing to answer any specific questions you may have regarding demons, if you will keep in mind that these are my opinions based on years of research gleened from religious and non-religious sources. And I will not enter into debates with forum members regarding demons or demonolgy, as I have my own opinions based on years of research and experiences. I respect the opinions of others (even if I disgree with them), so long as they extend me the same courtesy. I will be happy to monitor the progress of this thread and give you my honest, heart-felt opinion.

~Jackal

Like JackalnChainz said, Demonology is a very touchy subject. It is also spread into a number of different topics. A Demonologist can even become diverse in many other aspects of the knowledge. Sub sections such as conjuring, banishing, seals, alchemy and the occult are just a few of the specific areas one can devote themselves too.

No one truly knows the truth about Demonology, as in the many millennium's in which it was fathered and passed down, much has been lost. We have given way to Science and technology, and have abandoned faith and spirit. Im not sure of what knowledge JackalnChainz has, or where he has taught, or in what era he has researched. However I gather my knowledge from the Medieval era of the written Grimoires which give the most information about the topic at hand, in detail of supposed Demonologists and Alchemists that have met such beasts of old.

However, if your friend is so interested in this topic, he should be careful. I will admit it can be difficult to get yourself in harms way in this research, as bringing about anything that could be physically harmful is extremely rare, and takes a real large amount of dedication, research and the possession of rare materials. However from what I have researched, bad luck can still come about when looking into such dark material. It does open yourself up for negative karma, so that is the main thing one much be wary about.

God Bless, Azalin

Brilliant words of wisdom..((Azalin))>..JN

I personaly would read the Bible followed by The Lesser Key of Solomon. King Solomon is alegedly the most knowledgeable person on the subject of Demons and Devils. I guess like the Bible we can not be absolutely sure who wrote the material originally and of course a lot can be lost in translation as we well know. After that I would try and pickup as many books on the subject as possible. The hard part is finding material that comes from original soyrces rather than just made up nonsense.

Studying Demonology is essentially harmless. The danger is in how you use that knowledge.

Check out Adam Blai or google John Zaffis. They've been in the field a very very long time & are very respected in the paranormal comminity.

I really appreciate all the help and cautions you've all given me :] I feel a bit more confident in attempts to research the subject knowing I have such wonderful people to turn to in case I have questions, or to tell me if I am heading towards a dangerous position.

Know thy enemy

Just out of curiosity, is there anywhere that provides evidence of demons? I'm not trying to be a doubter, but it would be really interesting to see WHY people believe in demons in today's world.

I for one, went thru a demonic haunting, so I DO believe. There are others here as well, that have the personal knowledge they are out there and are real...JN

The problem is Demons would not want evidence to be available to the masses or thier gig would be up. There is no better place to hide than in myth and superstition. There is no way to prove thier existance. All "Evidence" is fallible. All we have is faith and personal experience. You either believe in them for whatever reason or you don't. Technology is so good any evidence could be faked and therefore dismissed by hard line sceptics oh and the Governments would make sure some expert would come along and refute everything. Look at God, lots of people "Believe" in God but imagine what would happen if they found out God was really really real? Imagine the impact that would have on society!

Good post (((LS)))...JN

Who needs evidence when one lives through it? Evidence, the closest thing to that is personal experience. It's real, and the experience can be devastating!

They did tell you that you were going in a dangerous direction, if your going to do it protect yourself, ask them how,as I am unsure what your doing but it seems a reckless pursuit without learning also how to protect oneself..

AMEN!!!

My experiences have resulted from my deep investigatory probing into these things that are not meant to be known. And they are not meant to be known for reasons already stated very well in this thread. But I have to disagree with one point, and that is that study of them can bring no harm. As I just mentioned, all my experiences have resulted from my studies. To talk of them makes their ears perk up. They are quite aware of this thread, I am sure. But their involvement to a degree, is up to them. I say to a degree, because the more knowledge you amass, the more frequent will be your experiences. Maybe even an encounter. The whole thing is very dangerous. I warn against it and participate in threads of this nature becuase I feel an obligation to do so. I have tried to keep away from them though, I assure you. My knowledge is NOT derived from dungeons and dragons, or any on-line role playing event. It comes from years of researching any materials I felt were canonical or I deemed factual, whether religious or non-religious. As a result, I firmly believe (and I would bet my life on it) that I know what these entities are, their purpose, and the instrument of their demise. Very little knowledge for all that I have studied, actually. I'm not presenting a resume' here. Only that the most important thing I know about demonics is....they are dangerous, and they hate mankind. And they are intelligences created by the Hand of God Himself, millenia before the Earth was even formed. In other words, there is nothing smarter on the planet, than a demon. Which only increases the danger when dealing with them in any way, shape or form.

These young chaps that claim to hold conversations with them, or wish to evoke their power, make me think of a tiny mouse with a 900 pound tiger by the tail. It is ridiculously dangerous, not only for the foolhardy, but those that are involved in their lives as well. The only reason they are not devoured immediately is because these intelligences also see it as ridiculous, and won't waste their time. They have goals to an end, to accomplish for their master. And they must maintain their cover of myth and imagination. It is the devils greatest triumph, that we do not believe in him. It will not always be so, however. And these kids with their toys making attempts to contact these ageless minions of terror and evil, only draw them closer than they can imagine. Sooner or later, that tiger is going to turn around. ~Jackal

Wow. AMEN TO THAT, brother!!

Azalin I have just compleated reading your orginal thread on demons, quite amazing looking forward to more..Aanica

I'll admit that I didn't read the whole thread. Bad me! but the demon threads tend to bore me these days.
This one is different and original, you are asking for information instead of claiming that a demon lives under your couch.
I suggest that you begin by looking into the history of demons.
You can't study a subject without knowing where it came from, right?

Where did demons come from? Who thought them up? When did the first one appear? Who was the first person to write about them? How do we know they exist at all?
Where did their names and abilities come from? Where did the people who made up these names and abilities get their information?
Why are demons considered bad? (They weren't always you know) Why do people think that demons are fallen angels? Are they?

I'm sorry to say, that a real study of demons will require some reading, of books, not the internet.
But here a few sites to get you started.
http://www.bibleorigins.net/Demons.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_demo.htm

These are religion based sites, but since the modern idea of demons begins with religion, I figured that would be a good thing.
Good luck and you may be pleasantly surprised at what you find.
Question everything.

I meant more dangerous than just reading up on the subject n-n; Honestly, this thread is nothing more than attempt to learn and reckless seems rather...well a reckless term to use here. Still, I appreciate your input

Don't be sorry to steer me in a better direction; I love to read :]
Thanks!

Ok, who has a demon under their couch? I must have missed that one during storm season. I do see an increased interest in the subject lately. I would be curious to know what the general outlook was on the topic before the release of the Exorcist.

Well nobody yet, but I feel it coming!

Me too. But we had no internet back then, so who knows? I've asked a couple of priests and even the reigning religious demonologist here about how often Catholic church approved exorcisms happen, but I always get vague answers.

I've seen exorcisms performed in mass gatherings at Multi-demoninational services. People shake their foot and claim a demon was released from them. Bless their hearts, they convince themselves so, because they wish it was so. On the other hand, who am I to dispute the events there. The speaking in tongues I have witnessed is gibberish and makes no sense. Now, if I was in a service and a boy stood up and started speaking Spanish, but didn't know spanish, and their was an interpretor that did know spanish...well, I'd say that was miraculous. But standing up and yelling a bunch of gibberish is nonsense to me. Although, who am I to judge them. I simply observe and draw my own conclusions for my own path. I share them if I can, but say at once they are my own opinions and nothing more.

Some biblical demon lore.

Well, maybe there are demons and maybe they don't want evidence of their existence. I was just hoping that somebody could direct me to a website or a book or something that explains the demonic phenomenon and gives me a reason to believe or disbelieve their existence, you know? Or is there a way I can come in contact with one?

Exorcism is on the rise, and that is a fact. Whether or not JackalnChainz you find it ironic, however the big turn around in the church for demonic presence came about in 1972. Pope Paul VI said to the world " From some crevice, the smoke of Satan has entered into the temple of God. " It was unheard of for a Pope to speak such powerful words, almost in a defiance of God. It brought about an uproar within the church, and it's followers. The famed exorcist movie was brought out a year later, 1973.

When I was in Rome last, 7 months ago, I spoke with some old colleagues, and attended the newly opened Exorcist school in Rome ( opened roughly in 2005 ). The number of priests that have been sent by surrounding Bishops have increased dramatically. When I was in Bible College, Exorcism was touched on so briefly, it made up about 1 week of a 3 year term. Priests straight out of schooling had no idea what Demonic Possession included, and exorcisms were still pretty much old rites that were never taught. Instead we focused on Psychological, and chemical imbalances within the brain, and other mental illnesses. I believe that is a great thing, and that SHOULD be taught and understood before you attempt labeling anyone possessed by an evil influence. Now you can apply to specific exorcism schools, which last roughly 3 - 6 months, and teach all about the history of Demonology and Angelology in a number of world religions.

Exorcism as a whole has been something of fear in North America, and hogwash at the same time. However, that intrigues young minds, for we fear what we do not know, and then attempt to understand the topic to eliminate our fear. Hollywood takes anything we fear and try to make money off of it. Sadly this is how a good percentage of people learn in this day and age, especially in a high commercialized area of the world like North America, where society tells us what to believe, and what fads we should follow to be " accepted ". I had a friend that never believed in Jesus, God, or anything of spirituality. However after watching Passion of the Christ, he was suddenly a " born again Christian ". My advice to him, forget the movie, read the book !.

God Bless, Azalin