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amorea

I am searching for a good explanation for the origin of gravity within the Earth and planets. What birthed it, caused it? What feeds it?
MID
QUOTE (amorea @ Jun 11 2008, 06:29 PM) *
I am searching for a good explanation for the origin of gravity within the Earth and planets. What birthed it, caused it? What feeds it?



Here's a half decent primer...


GRAVITY


Be aware that you're asking a real heady question here...

The study of gravity is a pretty big deal...patience and slow steady discipline is key to gaining some understanding....



Slave2Fate
I agree MID, the origin of gravity? thats a tough one. If you are spiritual, then gravity was created along with everything else. However from a scientific view, it's a little more complicated. You might as well ask how any other of the laws of physics originated grin2.gif
zitro1987
QUOTE (amorea @ Jun 11 2008, 06:29 PM) *
I am searching for a good explanation for the origin of gravity within the Earth and planets. What birthed it, caused it? What feeds it?


Gravity is just a part of how the universe works. So I suppose gravity started existing since the Universe began.

what do you mean with "what feeds it"? what makes it stronger? two variables: mass of the object and distance between the larger object and the smaller one.
amorea
QUOTE (zitro1987 @ Jun 12 2008, 12:43 AM) *
Gravity is just a part of how the universe works. So I suppose gravity started existing since the Universe began.

what do you mean with "what feeds it"? what makes it stronger? two variables: mass of the object and distance between the larger object and the smaller one.


That does not answer my question;
How it came to exist? what caused it? and where does its force keep coming from? if it is a force, it has an origin, and if it emanates something has to fill it, so it stay in effect and action
The last part of your sentence refers to when it already exists and is in action...
amorea
QUOTE (Slave2Fate @ Jun 12 2008, 12:20 AM) *
I agree MID, the origin of gravity? thats a tough one. If you are spiritual, then gravity was created along with everything else. However from a scientific view, it's a little more complicated. You might as well ask how any other of the laws of physics originated grin2.gif


I am thinking, : since when we meditate, we are going within, but once within we enetr into infinity, another dimension..and our source is not outside of us but within us, ...maybe gravitation within Earth and Sun and other planets is actually a connection-force from Source, like a black hole, which is pulling everything toward the center, but electromagnetism is moving outward therefore equalizing this force..which we could call the force of warmhole..
gravity is connecting to Source..pulling inward, em is an expanding force ( for manifestation) going outward..


i am not clear about it yet
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TehGrant
I think gravity came around when objects of mass came around. Since there isnt gravity in space but around Stars,planets,blackholes,ect there is I think thats when they came around.

How gravity was created I'm not really sure.
DONTEATUS
Gravity falls into the area like? the noise a tree makes when it fallls in the forest. You have to be there in person or with a recording device to montor it. Other wise its like in the cartoons, anything is possible. I like the cartoon version best. Because I dont think the Earth Sucks. Its a great spaceship we live on.Take care of it please,you next in line. rolleyes.gif DONTEATUS
Dark Ninja Alien
gravity could be compared to an electromagnet, if you make enough friction and static a positive/negative charge is created and then objects(metals) will attract. hope this makes sence :S, i think i might have gone wrong with the word or subject of electromagnets.
TehGrant
Well how come they cant make artificial gravity then?
RipeFRuit
I thought gravity was created by the earth spinning, causing a pull hence gravity, But how to explain gravity for other things in the universe?
Since everything in space that spins causes a pull this can explain gravity elsewhere in the Universe.
But what caused things to spin in the first place? The big bang?
Gravity could flow into space from planets/stars and link on to another gravity source from a planet/star (like liquid joins with itself )witch links up again, etc... and this is why we see galaxies spinning, because all the gravity from planets/stars is all linked together in one fluid motion.

1. Stars/planets (etc.) spin causing a gravitational pull.
2. The gravitational pull could also be emitting into space.
3. Emitting gravity from stars/planets (etc.) now link up with other space bodies and equal out.
4. Galaxies spinning is the cause of all of the celestial bodies within said galaxy equaled out to created one big fluid motion.


Does this make sense?
seax
Hello RipeFruit,

No one really knows what gravity is, however a rotating body can create artificial gravity in space. It has been discovered recently that a black hole is in the center of galaxies and I feel this is what fuels the rotation of galaxies, kind of like a whirlpool in a lake. I believe black holes aren't the chaos that a lot of astronomers think they are because they keep the solar systems in check. Imagine solar systems drifting aimlessly in space, how chaotic that would be. Now, they rotate around a galactic center, like islands in space. Probably, if not for black holes there may not even be any solar systems. The big question is where do they go? The answer lies in defining what space actually is, I feel it is more than just time and distance between points in the vast expanse.

this is a little off course from what you are talking about but never the less you will probably find it interesting. Look up Richard Hoagland and read his theory on rotation. It is interesting and will show you another view.

best regards,
seax cool.gif
PriestinMO
QUOTE (amorea @ Jun 11 2008, 10:29 PM) *
I am searching for a good explanation for the origin of gravity within the Earth and planets. What birthed it, caused it? What feeds it?


Amorea...
First, please permit me to ask you this question... why are you asking your question here instead of researching the internet for answers yourself? Would you ask a first grade student to explain trig or algebra to you and expect clear and accurate answers? My advice is to use your favorite web search engine(s) and learn from well informed individuals who have an in-depth understanding on the topics you desire more information on. I'm not trying to slight you in the least but rather to help you find reliable and accurate information.

Here is a link to a You Tube video. This video is one of 15 which will explain the nature of gravity in terms you can likely understand. Enjoy, and I hope they answer all your questions about gravity (what it is, where it comes from etc.)...

http://www.yabatv.com/what-is-gravity/-nBCD7aeKLY.html
seax
"OUCH"

SEAX cool.gif
Corthos
The spinning of planets and other objects in the universe does not create their gravity. Actually, the spinning creates a small amount of outward force, acting against gravity, just as anything else does when you spin it (ie a weight on a string, a spinning carnival ride, etc). The spin causes force outward away from the center. According to Einstein, gravity isn't so much a force, but a distortion in the fabric of space/time created by any object with mass. When two objects with mass approach each other, they distort space/time in such a way that they are pulled towards one another.
RipeFRuit
QUOTE (seax @ Jun 16 2008, 08:51 PM) *
Hello RipeFruit,

No one really knows what gravity is, however a rotating body can create artificial gravity in space. It has been discovered recently that a black hole is in the center of galaxies and I feel this is what fuels the rotation of galaxies, kind of like a whirlpool in a lake. I believe black holes aren't the chaos that a lot of astronomers think they are because they keep the solar systems in check. Imagine solar systems drifting aimlessly in space, how chaotic that would be. Now, they rotate around a galactic center, like islands in space. Probably, if not for black holes there may not even be any solar systems. The big question is where do they go? The answer lies in defining what space actually is, I feel it is more than just time and distance between points in the vast expanse.

this is a little off course from what you are talking about but never the less you will probably find it interesting. Look up Richard Hoagland and read his theory on rotation. It is interesting and will show you another view.

best regards,
seax cool.gif


Yes very interesting, but I can't find any information on Richard Hoagland when I googled his name :/, he says black holes are responsible for the spinning of galaxies? Makes sense but what does he say is responsible for the spinning of the planets? Does he go with Einstein on how it is created by any object with mass?

QUOTE (Corthos @ Jun 17 2008, 02:09 PM) *
The spinning of planets and other objects in the universe does not create their gravity. Actually, the spinning creates a small amount of outward force, acting against gravity, just as anything else does when you spin it (ie a weight on a string, a spinning carnival ride, etc). The spin causes force outward away from the center. According to Einstein, gravity isn't so much a force, but a distortion in the fabric of space/time created by any object with mass. When two objects with mass approach each other, they distort space/time in such a way that they are pulled towards one another.


Does he says two objects with any mass? I know this will sound funny but I have two objects with mass in front of me not creating a pull, did he say any objects? ( I need clarification wink2.gif )
Sounds reasonable to me, but for all we know the molten center of planets/stars creates a magnetic pull so strong we feel it.
All this wants me to start thinking more about gravity! :]

Startraveler
QUOTE
Does he says two objects with any mass? I know this will sound funny but I have two objects with mass in front of me not creating a pull, did he say any objects? ( I need clarification wink2.gif )
Sounds reasonable to me, but for all we know the molten center of planets/stars creates a magnetic pull so strong we feel it.
All this wants me to start thinking more about gravity! :]


Gravitation is due to mass or energy. As the poster above noted, an object doesn't need to be rotating to have a gravitational pull, though the additional rotational energy of of a spinning body will have an extremely minute effect. The objects in front of you aren't massive enough for you to notice their gravitational pulls; gravitation is extremely weak, meaning you need quite a bit of mass-energy in order for it to become appreciable. What gravitation is a very question with answers that, frankly, are a bit murky. You can find lots of layman explanations of the general theory of relativity (essentially Einstein's theory of gravity) and perhaps those will satisfy you as explaining what gravitation is and where it comes from. But at a deeper level, that's sort of an open (borderline philosophical) question.
seax
[quote name='RipeFRuit' date='Jun 17 2008, 10:37 PM' post='2349168']
Yes very interesting, but I can't find any information on Richard Hoagland when I googled his name :/, he says black holes are responsible for the spinning of galaxies? Makes sense but what does he say is responsible for the spinning of the planets? Does he go with Einstein on how it is created by any object with mass?



Hello RipeFRuit,

Richard Hoagland didn't say black holes were responible for rotation of galaxies, i said that-I am sorry if I was unclear. But if you go to utube and type in Richard Hoagland he has several videos that would probably interest you. In short he says a rotating body creates an energy that if outlined with the sphere creates a circumscribed tetrahedron with the 3 point of the base resting on the longitude of the sphere at about 17 degrees. His claim is that energies are released at these points, such as most volcanic activity exist here on earth at about that longitude. Example, Hawallian Islands. Jupiters red spot also exist at about this longitude. His claim is a rotating sphere when thrown goes higer faster and falls faster than one not rotating.

I will not bore you with the rest you can watch the videos and see for yourself. This is a little off the subject you asked about, but it get intwined with, if you are interested in gravity, you will be interested in this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXy_8KVZS9I

here is one of the videos

best regards,
seax cool.gif
Corthos

Does he says two objects with any mass? I know this will sound funny but I have two objects with mass in front of me not creating a pull, did he say any objects? ( I need clarification wink2.gif )
Sounds reasonable to me, but for all we know the molten center of planets/stars creates a magnetic pull so strong we feel it.
All this wants me to start thinking more about gravity! :]
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Startraveler summed it up pretty well for me. One of the best ways I've seen to explain it is to imagine space as a sheet of rubber. When you put an object on it, it makes a dent in the sheet, the more massive the object, the deeper the dent. When two objects come close enough for their 'dents' in space to interact, they are pulled towards each other. In the case of small objects, particularly when they are already being affected by a larger force of gravity, the effect is to minute to notice, or often even to overcome the effect of the larger gravity. However, when unaffected by any outside gravity, even two atoms will be pulled towards one another via gravitation.
RipeFRuit
QUOTE (seax @ Jun 17 2008, 07:01 PM) *
Hello RipeFRuit,

Richard Hoagland didn't say black holes were responible for rotation of galaxies, i said that-I am sorry if I was unclear. But if you go to utube and type in Richard Hoagland he has several videos that would probably interest you. In short he says a rotating body creates an energy that if outlined with the sphere creates a circumscribed tetrahedron with the 3 point of the base resting on the longitude of the sphere at about 17 degrees. His claim is that energies are released at these points, such as most volcanic activity exist here on earth at about that longitude. Example, Hawallian Islands. Jupiters red spot also exist at about this longitude. His claim is a rotating sphere when thrown goes higer faster and falls faster than one not rotating.

I will not bore you with the rest you can watch the videos and see for yourself. This is a little off the subject you asked about, but it get intwined with, if you are interested in gravity, you will be interested in this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXy_8KVZS9I

here is one of the videos

best regards,
seax cool.gif


Thanks I am listening to it now :]




QUOTE (Corthos @ Jun 18 2008, 02:00 AM) *
Does he says two objects with any mass? I know this will sound funny but I have two objects with mass in front of me not creating a pull, did he say any objects? ( I need clarification wink2.gif )
Sounds reasonable to me, but for all we know the molten center of planets/stars creates a magnetic pull so strong we feel it.
All this wants me to start thinking more about gravity! :]


Startraveler summed it up pretty well for me. One of the best ways I've seen to explain it is to imagine space as a sheet of rubber. When you put an object on it, it makes a dent in the sheet, the more massive the object, the deeper the dent. When two objects come close enough for their 'dents' in space to interact, they are pulled towards each other. In the case of small objects, particularly when they are already being affected by a larger force of gravity, the effect is to minute to notice, or often even to overcome the effect of the larger gravity. However, when unaffected by any outside gravity, even two atoms will be pulled towards one another via gravitation.


Yes, this makes sense!
Makes me wonder what is the universe mass limit, as how heavy does an object have to be to actuality ripple space time?

EDIT: HELLO black holes are ripples lol, I forgot about those
Guardsman Bass
Gravity is more or less a property of mass-energy, with gravity being the warping of space-time by said mass-energy. Keep in mind that this is still complicated; physicists are still trying to figure out a theory that weds quantum mechanics to gravity and General Relativity that doesn't produce absurdities (and hopefully which doesn't involve new, extremely-difficult-to-examine-and-test dimensions like string theory).
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