HowdyDoo
Jun 12 2008, 02:37 AM
First--I apologize if someone else has already posted this--I looked, but couldn't find it already on UM.
I was browsing YouTube and found this video of a local newscast about a strange sighting. For the life of me, I can't figure out what it is. Any ideas?
Ghost Caught on Security Tape
JustNormal
Jun 12 2008, 02:39 AM
QUOTE (HowdyDoo @ Jun 12 2008, 02:37 AM)

First--I apologize if someone else has already posted this--I looked, but couldn't find it already on UM.
I was browsing YouTube and found this video of a local newscast about a strange sighting. For the life of me, I can't figure out what it is. Any ideas?
Ghost Caught on Security
TapeThat was on here several months ago. Some say its a feather, others say its a blue mechanic type cloth, and some think its an Angel. JN
Spooky Shagswell
Jun 12 2008, 02:40 AM
Looks like some sort of... could it be... a... hoax?
Perhaps some sort of bug flying across the camera?
SJB
Jun 12 2008, 02:40 AM
QUOTE (HowdyDoo @ Jun 11 2008, 07:37 PM)

First--I apologize if someone else has already posted this--I looked, but couldn't find it already on UM.
I was browsing YouTube and found this video of a local newscast about a strange sighting. For the life of me, I can't figure out what it is. Any ideas?
Ghost Caught on Security TapeI seen this before and it's a fake!
SOLANUM
Jun 12 2008, 02:44 AM
QUOTE (SJB @ Jun 12 2008, 02:40 AM)

I seen this before and it's a fake!
Care to explain?
Usually when people say that they give evidence to suppose their claim....
Sol
HowdyDoo
Jun 12 2008, 02:45 AM
QUOTE (SJB @ Jun 12 2008, 02:40 AM)

I seen this before and it's a fake!
What did they use to fake it? A plastic bag? Did someone tamper with the video?
Spooky Shagswell
Jun 12 2008, 02:45 AM
Maybe cuz it looks fake...
Fluffybunny
Jun 12 2008, 02:46 AM
I have a security camera on my house that is hooked to my computer. Pretty similar quality. I have bugs and spiders that will crawl on them on occasion and it gives the same exact look; out of focus and all...as for the color I am not sure, but the movement and the overall look, in my opinion it looks like a bug on the lens...
HowdyDoo
Jun 12 2008, 02:52 AM
QUOTE (Fluffybunny @ Jun 12 2008, 02:46 AM)

I have a security camera on my house that is hooked to my computer. Pretty similar quality. I have bugs and spiders that will crawl on them on occasion and it gives the same exact look; out of focus and all...as for the color I am not sure, but the movement and the overall look, in my opinion it looks like a bug on the lens...
I've thought about that--we have security cameras on the house and my husband's work place. He set up alll the cameras and has become pretty good with the equipment. Our security cameras must be good, because when a bug crawls across the lens, it looks like a bug--I almost think I'm watching National Geographic or the Animal Channel, the picture is so clear.
They may have poor quality cameras; I don't know. I asked the hubby what he thinks it was, and he said that it may be a plastic bag, except for the way it moves.
It could be some blue fuzz, but that wouldn't explain the movement. It's so deliberate.
This has me stumped. I wish I knew how they did it.
Shankpin
Jun 12 2008, 03:00 AM
I know it sounds like a far cry, but it makes me think it's a mix of gases and fumes at the pumps..
JustNormal
Jun 12 2008, 03:16 AM
QUOTE (HowdyDoo @ Jun 12 2008, 03:52 AM)

I've thought about that--we have security cameras on the house and my husband's work place. He set up alll the cameras and has become pretty good with the equipment. Our security cameras must be good, because when a bug crawls across the lens, it looks like a bug--I almost think I'm watching National Geographic or the Animal Channel, the picture is so clear.
They may have poor quality cameras; I don't know. I asked the hubby what he thinks it was, and he said that it may be a plastic bag, except for the way it moves.
It could be some blue fuzz, but that wouldn't explain the movement. It's so deliberate.
This has me stumped. I wish I knew how they did it.
If I remember correctly it was flying around for awhile and at one point landed on a car window..I dont know what it is..JN
Guardian Angel of Fire
Jun 12 2008, 03:29 AM
I honestly think it's real, it's nothing compared to bug or insect crawling the way it moves if you look at it.
Guardian Angel of Fire
Jun 12 2008, 03:30 AM
QUOTE (Shankpin @ Jun 11 2008, 10:00 PM)

I know it sounds like a far cry, but it makes me think it's a mix of gases and fumes at the pumps..
didnt you notice how it sat their though for some amount of time???
myghostnetwork
Jun 12 2008, 01:25 PM
When i first saw this, i stared at it like crazy, this is what i think it is.
on the security camera there could be a film of condensation, you wouldn't be able to see it at all, even when it is humid moisture can form on a lens, so just say this tiny little gnat or something gets stuck in the condensation directly on the lens and is sort of swimming around all over the lens trying to escape, the camera would make it appear large, but those security cams have a focal point that is at a distance, so it would not only make the bug look huge, but there is no way it would focus on the bug because the focal point is fixed, thus making the bug look very blurry, also mini bugs sometimes have crazy colors, I am sure a little Gnat could look blue with the light reflecting off of it. if you notice, people don't seem to even see it there at all
Moonie2012
Jun 12 2008, 01:54 PM
It's a bug, no doubt in my mind.
TheLivingDead
Jun 12 2008, 02:31 PM
I vote bug.
someoldlady
Jun 12 2008, 05:52 PM
QUOTE (SJB @ Jun 11 2008, 09:40 PM)

I seen this before and it's a fake!
The word fake infers someone made this video with the intent of fooling people into thinking they caught a ghost or angel. I believe it is a bug that flew onto the camera lens, and some people think it looks like a ghost or angel. It isn't fake, it is just something normal that could be perceived as something paranormal.
Regency
Jun 12 2008, 06:48 PM
The amount of security cameras that have been put up in the last 10 years must be phenominal. It makes me wonder why we don't see more paranormal occurences being caught on CCTV, for the amount of space and time that's being recorded, it doesn't seem that it's gone up that much.
Blue Box
Jun 12 2008, 07:02 PM
QUOTE (Moonie2012 @ Jun 12 2008, 09:54 AM)

It's a bug, no doubt in my mind.
That's what it seems like to me I mean it even moves like one. To me it I had to guess it maybe a moth of some kind (I've seen blueish tinted moths before).
HowdyDoo
Jun 12 2008, 07:02 PM
QUOTE (myghostnetwork @ Jun 12 2008, 02:25 PM)

When i first saw this, i stared at it like crazy, this is what i think it is.
on the security camera there could be a film of condensation, you wouldn't be able to see it at all, even when it is humid moisture can form on a lens, so just say this tiny little gnat or something gets stuck in the condensation directly on the lens and is sort of swimming around all over the lens trying to escape, the camera would make it appear large, but those security cams have a focal point that is at a distance, so it would not only make the bug look huge, but there is no way it would focus on the bug because the focal point is fixed, thus making the bug look very blurry, also mini bugs sometimes have crazy colors, I am sure a little Gnat could look blue with the light reflecting off of it. if you notice, people don't seem to even see it there at all
It could very well be a bug, but there is a way the security camera can pic up a clear picture of the bug right in front of the camera--ours do. We had a great one of a spider building a web--it was very clear. Also had a great picture of a bird sitting right in front of the camera. So cool.
I guess knowing what kind of camera that was used would help. But the biggest thing that baffles me is it's movement. It seems to have some intelligence--not just randomly fluttering around in the wind.
I would tend to think more that it was deliberately faked than this being of something like a bug or a plastic bag just because of the movement.
JustNormal
Jun 12 2008, 08:17 PM
I believe it was not an Angel of any sort..Considering the gas prices, my vote goes to SATAN..LOL..JN
Hamlyn
Jun 12 2008, 08:35 PM
This footage was on
Monster Quest last night.
They showed that anything you put right on the camera lens looks blue.
It was probably a very small insect or piece of debris.
I don't even know why someone would look at this and think "ghost!" I looked at it and thought something blew onto the camera lens.

And I am pretty impressionable.
69dinner42
Jun 12 2008, 08:38 PM
They actually did a piece on this last night during the "Ghost" episode of "Monster Quest " on he History Channel. It was an infrared camera so it is able to see in almost pitch black conditions and the guy who installed the cameras did an experiment with tiny toy bugs...and no matter what color they were, they would show up blue when he put them right on the camera lense. I'm not sure if it was a tiny bug but it could definitley have been a tiny piece of cloth, a piece of feather or as many of you stated a tiny bug. Oh yeah and all of the items the guy put up to the lense looked larger so in reality what ever it was, was tiny and right on top of the camera lense.
When I first saw the video I thought it was a tiny feather or piece of paper.
BTW...Damn you hamlyn...ya beat me to it
Jennie 1
Jun 12 2008, 09:11 PM
QUOTE (Regency @ Jun 12 2008, 01:48 PM)

The amount of security cameras that have been put up in the last 10 years must be phenominal. It makes me wonder why we don't see more paranormal occurences being caught on CCTV, for the amount of space and time that's being recorded, it doesn't seem that it's gone up that much.
Hi Regency!!! I think maybe it's because nobody really looks at any of the footage recorded, unless there is a reason to.
I know at my work place the only time anyone looks at the video is if something goes missing. (Or when we play a trick on someone and want to show the reaction to the other employees who missed it.

)
When things are slow I'll admit, I do sometimes go in and check out the video from the night before, when no one was around, just to see what I can see, but it is very time consuming and with so many different cameras, it would take hours just to view all the footage from one evening.
Regency
Jun 12 2008, 09:30 PM
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Jun 12 2008, 10:11 PM)

Hi Regency!!! I think maybe it's because nobody really looks at any of the footage recorded, unless there is a reason to.
I know at my work place the only time anyone looks at the video is if something goes missing. (Or when we play a trick on someone and want to show the reaction to the other employees who missed it.

)
When things are slow I'll admit, I do sometimes go in and check out the video from the night before, when no one was around, just to see what I can see, but it is very time consuming and with so many different cameras, it would take hours just to view all the footage from one evening.
Hi Jenny
Good point, most of the time there's no point in checking the footage. I bet some good ghostly phenomenon has been just wiped away somewhere along the line.
HowdyDoo
Jun 12 2008, 11:17 PM
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Jun 12 2008, 08:17 PM)

I believe it was not an Angel of any sort..Considering the gas prices, my vote goes to SATAN..LOL..JN
Heh heh. Gotta agree there.
QUOTE (69dinner42 @ Jun 12 2008, 08:38 PM)

They actually did a piece on this last night during the "Ghost" episode of "Monster Quest " on he History Channel. It was an infrared camera so it is able to see in almost pitch black conditions and the guy who installed the cameras did an experiment with tiny toy bugs...and no matter what color they were, they would show up blue when he put them right on the camera lense. I'm not sure if it was a tiny bug but it could definitley have been a tiny piece of cloth, a piece of feather or as many of you stated a tiny bug. Oh yeah and all of the items the guy put up to the lense looked larger so in reality what ever it was, was tiny and right on top of the camera lense.
When I first saw the video I thought it was a tiny feather or piece of paper.
BTW...Damn you hamlyn...ya beat me to it
Wow--thanks for the input. I'm still having trouble with the bug theory, but it's certainly gaining more credence.
HowdyDoo
Jun 12 2008, 11:20 PM
Hey, something just occurred to me--if this is only a bug, wouldn't they have tons of footage of this "blue" buggy thingy?
I would think bugs would be landing on the camera lens all the time--so how come they haven't had any more sightings?
Hm?????
Ah well...if it's a brand new camera, and it was the first and only time a bug landed on it, I could see that this theory may be possible.
Still not a bug in my book.
someoldlady
Jun 13 2008, 03:15 AM
QUOTE (HowdyDoo @ Jun 12 2008, 06:20 PM)

Hey, something just occurred to me--if this is only a bug, wouldn't they have tons of footage of this "blue" buggy thingy?
I would think bugs would be landing on the camera lens all the time--so how come they haven't had any more sightings?
Hm?????
Ah well...if it's a brand new camera, and it was the first and only time a bug landed on it, I could see that this theory may be possible.
Still not a bug in my book.
As someone mentioned, most of the time, the security video isn't watched. The places I know with security cameras only watch if there is a reason to watch, and they tape over each day's video. They must have had a reason to view this one and saw the bug, where usually the bug landing on the lens video is missed, and taped over.
Jason KB
Jun 13 2008, 04:04 AM
QUOTE (HowdyDoo @ Jun 12 2008, 07:20 PM)

Hey, something just occurred to me--if this is only a bug, wouldn't they have tons of footage of this "blue" buggy thingy?
I would think bugs would be landing on the camera lens all the time--so how come they haven't had any more sightings?
Hm?????
Ah well...if it's a brand new camera, and it was the first and only time a bug landed on it, I could see that this theory may be possible.
Still not a bug in my book.
Sorry, it's a bug. If you get a chance, check out the latest episode of Monsterquest like the other folks are saying. To me, the evidence is pretty clear. Bug of some sort, probably a regular old moth that appeared blue when up against the infrared camera.
Jason KB
Jun 13 2008, 04:05 AM
QUOTE (someoldlady @ Jun 12 2008, 11:15 PM)

As someone mentioned, most of the time, the security video isn't watched. The places I know with security cameras only watch if there is a reason to watch, and they tape over each day's video. They must have had a reason to view this one and saw the bug, where usually the bug landing on the lens video is missed, and taped over.
Plus, the ghost aka bug has been good for business. People are stopping by just to check out the video tape. probably still to this day. It pays for them to have a "ghost" on film.
JackalnChainz
Jun 13 2008, 04:27 AM
I know exactly what this anomaly is....
It is an unidentified fuzzy blue animated image captured with substandard video surveillance equipment. Nothing more, nothing less.

What people are failing to consider is the ryme or reasoning for the anomly. What purpose would be served by indian spirits or angels or ghosts flying about under a gas station canopy? Maybe it was warding off some disasterous event? Who knows. But the one thing we know for sure....it is an unidentified fuzzy blue animated image.
QUOTE (Regency @ Jun 12 2008, 04:30 PM)

Hi Jenny
Good point, most of the time there's no point in checking the footage. I bet some good ghostly phenomenon has been just wiped away somewhere along the line.
Your comment sparked an old theory I had once regarding this very thing. And I have tested it many times under different circumstances, though results often varied according to the amount of diligence that was applied. But you can just about plan on an event of some kind, or some minor anomaly occurring, if you leave a camera or audio recording devise alone in some area of the house. Especially if the entire house is unoccupied. Almost always, there will be some tiny result, or sometimes results that could be considered evidentiary. But I have always garnered some result. I believe you are quite correct, that we toss away all kinds of recorded phenomenon on a daily basis. Great point Reg!
~Jackal
Slave2Fate
Jun 13 2008, 04:33 AM
I saw this tape being reviewed a few days ago on Monster Quest. They went to the place and put different colored plastic bugs right on the camera lens, and they all showed up blue. It had something to do with the camera using some sort of infrared, I believe.
JackalnChainz
Jun 13 2008, 04:42 AM
Interesting
dkkjf68
Jun 13 2008, 10:47 PM
I'm not sure and I'm definitely no expert, BUT I do believe this is a bug. If you notice it wiggles like a bug would in one part of the video. Ya know, when they are cleaning themselves and only their top half moves? Not that I sit and watch bugs bathe

, but it moved like a fly would. When it sits on the windshield that makes me wonder because it covers the whole windshield and a little bug couldn't cover the whole thing unless it is an illusion of some sort. I'll have to stick with bug until someone convinces me otherwise. I don't know, I this video really just 'bugs' me.................
Jason KB
Jun 14 2008, 12:05 AM
Just remember that it's okay to be skeptical. And it's okay to be open minded. The two aren't mutually exclusive. To ask, as in the thread title, whether this is either a ghost or an angel is not open minded at all. It implies there are only two possibilities, both of them paranormal in origin. However, since the most likeliest explanation for this bluish colored anomaly is some kind of bug, this thread almost makes no sense.
I'm not saying that the OP intended this at all, it's just something I felt obliged to bring up. We have to be careful, especially in the paranormal community, to be open to other possibilities outside of the paranormal when we look at video or photographs. What we are seeing is almost assuredly NOT paranormal at all. We always have to assume it's not paranormal first. Don't be so quick to rule out the rational and more reasonable explanations because you are eager to see a ghost or an angel or something. If we do that, then we are being just as closed minded as some of the skeptics we don't care much for. We'll both be guilty of the same crime: jumping to conclusions.
Thanks, everyone for putting up with me. Rant over, haha.
HowdyDoo
Jun 14 2008, 09:28 AM
QUOTE (Jason KB @ Jun 14 2008, 01:05 AM)

Just remember that it's okay to be skeptical. And it's okay to be open minded. The two aren't mutually exclusive. To ask, as in the thread title, whether this is either a ghost or an angel is not open minded at all. It implies there are only two possibilities, both of them paranormal in origin. However, since the most likeliest explanation for this bluish colored anomaly is some kind of bug, this thread almost makes no sense.
Thanks, everyone for putting up with me. Rant over, haha.
Hey Jason, what is this, attack the OP day?
Forgive my tabloid label--sorry it offended you.
But is it really that important what the description said, anyway? Why all the hostility over something so trivial?
Ah...well...that's life.
HowdyDoo
Jun 14 2008, 09:35 AM
QUOTE (someoldlady @ Jun 13 2008, 04:15 AM)

As someone mentioned, most of the time, the security video isn't watched. The places I know with security cameras only watch if there is a reason to watch, and they tape over each day's video. They must have had a reason to view this one and saw the bug, where usually the bug landing on the lens video is missed, and taped over.
That's a good explanation, but if you found a blue thingy on your camera, wouldn't you start watching it even more to see if it comes back? I wonder if they have found it again.
Personally, I vote with Jackal that this was animated somehow.
Of course, it could be a bug.
Jennie 1
Jun 14 2008, 09:42 AM
QUOTE (HowdyDoo @ Jun 14 2008, 04:28 AM)

Hey Jason, what is this, attack the OP day?
Forgive my tabloid label--sorry it offended you.
But is it really that important what the description said, anyway? Why all the hostility over something so trivial?
Ah...well...that's life.
Yes it is attack the OP day, didn't you get the memo?
Now go out and attack all of the OP's you can find!

JK!
I saw this vid a while back on another site and the way it was explained to me was that it was a peice of fuzz stuck to the camera by a thread, that was blown around by the wind. The person who explained it, had weather reports of that area that showed the wind speed with gusts up to 30 mph and it seemed perfectly logical.
Personally, I like this video because I really can't tell what it is with any certainty.
HowdyDoo
Jun 14 2008, 09:58 AM
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Jun 14 2008, 09:42 AM)

Yes it is attack the OP day, didn't you get the memo?
Now go out and attack all of the OP's you can find!

JK!
He heh...it did sound like someone didn't have their BM yet today (I have to admit, he does have a point, although a small one.) I guess I should have said, "Bug, Ghost or Angel."
QUOTE
I saw this vid a while back on another site and the way it was explained to me was that it was a peice of fuzz stuck to the camera by a thread, that was blown around by the wind. The person who explained it, had weather reports of that area that showed the wind speed with gusts up to 30 mph and it seemed perfectly logical.
Personally, I like this video because I really can't tell what it is with any certainty.
Jennie...I do believe that the bug theory is plausible. I just have a few questions that would need to be answered before I could join the bug bandwagon.
DrVan
Jun 14 2008, 10:36 AM
I don't know much about cameras but I am quite certain its not a bug. First off its really blue not blue tinted straight out blue. And I have traveled quite about in a lot of places around the world and I never seen a competely blue bug. Also the reporter says the object stayed in one place for a half an hour then sorta floated away I don't know of many bugs that do that. Lastly the "bug" appears to change shapes many times during the taping in a smooth flowing manner; which, I haven't seen before in insects due to there fix exo-skeleton frame. I don't know what it is but we shouldn't try to categorize it as normal, because if thats the case any evidence we find to support paranormal activity will be shrugged of as "bugs".
HowdyDoo
Jun 14 2008, 10:50 AM
QUOTE (DrVan @ Jun 14 2008, 11:36 AM)

I don't know much about cameras but I am quite certain its not a bug. First off its really blue not blue tinted straight out blue. And I have traveled quite about in a lot of places around the world and I never seen a competely blue bug. Also the reporter says the object stayed in one place for a half an hour then sorta floated away I don't know of many bugs that do that. Lastly the "bug" appears to change shapes many times during the taping in a smooth flowing manner; which, I haven't seen before in insects due to there fix exo-skeleton frame. I don't know what it is but we shouldn't try to categorize it as normal, because if thats the case any evidence we find to support paranormal activity will be shrugged of as "bugs".
Dr...you make some good points, but I think our bug theorists are saying that anything that close to a camera lens will go "blue." It doesn't matter if the bug is blue or not.
But I agree with you that it's the movement of the thing that seems suspicious to me. It doesn't seem to move like a bug.
JackalnChainz
Jun 14 2008, 12:13 PM
by animated, I simply mean that it is in motion as if a living thing. Not that someone created it in photoshop. lol. You can relate...it's Moooooooooo ving.
someoldlady
Jun 14 2008, 04:23 PM
QUOTE (HowdyDoo @ Jun 14 2008, 04:35 AM)

That's a good explanation, but if you found a blue thingy on your camera, wouldn't you start watching it even more to see if it comes back? I wonder if they have found it again.
Personally, I vote with Jackal that this was animated somehow.
Of course, it could be a bug.

I probably would, but some store managers wouldn't. My daughter works at Sonic, and the manager was ranting at everyone one day, trying to find out who dumped a bucket of grease on the floor at closing and left it for the morning shift to clean up. No one admitted it so he went to watch the security video, only to see the bucket hop over the raised edge of the shelf and throw itself to the floor. He apologized to his employees and they all had a good laugh about it. BUT, he freakin' taped over that video the next night, instead of using a different tape. This is not the only weird thing that has happened there, but he never watches the tape, unless he is trying to catch an employee doing something wrong. Shoot, I would be spending all my time watching their security video if I worked there.
JustNormal
Jun 14 2008, 04:26 PM
QUOTE (someoldlady @ Jun 14 2008, 05:23 PM)

I probably would, but some store managers wouldn't. My daughter works at Sonic, and the manager was ranting at everyone one day, trying to find out who dumped a bucket of grease on the floor at closing and left it for the morning shift to clean up. No one admitted it so he went to watch the security video, only to see the bucket hop over the raised edge of the shelf and throw itself to the floor. He apologized to his employees and they all had a good laugh about it. BUT, he freakin' taped over that video the next night, instead of using a different tape. This is not the only weird thing that has happened there, but he never watches the tape, unless he is trying to catch an employee doing something wrong. Shoot, I would be spending all my time watching their security video if I worked there.
He did that? OMG what a moron..LOL..(((SOL))))
Pax Unum
Jun 14 2008, 04:35 PM
LOL, is it the ghost of an elephant? it's as big as the mini-van... just wondering
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