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Slumber Talk
Hi everyone and thanks for your time.

I am writing about Spirit Guides/Guardians.

Throughout my experiences dealing with spirits and otherworldly entities, I have been fortunate enough to meet and converse with a variety of these "higher beings."

I was wondering if anyone would like to share their experiences with Spirit Guides/Guardians, or possibly share what they know on the subject.

Personally, I have spoken and met with guardians through both Ouija and Channeling. I have also met them through asking for spiritual help and protection be it through prayer, or pleading (for lack of a better word). We have spoken about many things ranging from casual conversation or sharing their knowledge through simple Q & A (Nothing too "meddlesome" though, I try to avoid drawing negative guests).

Due to time constraints, I'm unable to post an "intricate" experience without probably using up all my time. I would be thrilled to see what people have to share. I fully intend to share one of my own sometime tomorrow as a response to this thread. Until then, happy sharing I suppose.

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PS Sorry for the formality, I'm not much of a poster and this is my first here.
John A Spera
I use the channeling method to speak with my spirit guides. I have a kind of funny story about my son Mike. One day he was off to the city with friends and I was talking with my guides. They told me he was getting into trouble that day with his friends. When he got home I asked him what the problem had been. He had a disagreement with someone. It reached the point where someone got his bookbag and tossed it out a window onto to the roof of another building. As a result he had lost everything he had with him that day.

I think it can be very helpful to establish a working relationship with our guides. I have managed to avoid a lot of problems by listening to the advice I get from my spiritual friends.

John
Guardian Angel of Fire
QUOTE (Slumber Talk @ Jun 12 2008, 08:38 PM) *
Hi everyone and thanks for your time.

I am writing about Spirit Guides/Guardians.

Throughout my experiences dealing with spirits and otherworldly entities, I have been fortunate enough to meet and converse with a variety of these "higher beings."

I was wondering if anyone would like to share their experiences with Spirit Guides/Guardians, or possibly share what they know on the subject.

Personally, I have spoken and met with guardians through both Ouija and Channeling. I have also met them through asking for spiritual help and protection be it through prayer, or pleading (for lack of a better word). We have spoken about many things ranging from casual conversation or sharing their knowledge through simple Q & A (Nothing too "meddlesome" though, I try to avoid drawing negative guests).

Due to time constraints, I'm unable to post an "intricate" experience without probably using up all my time. I would be thrilled to see what people have to share. I fully intend to share one of my own sometime tomorrow as a response to this thread. Until then, happy sharing I suppose.

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PS Sorry for the formality, I'm not much of a poster and this is my first here.

Interesting i have myself had contact with two guardians through the ouija board, i'm working on centering myself more to try contact else way, sometimes i hear what they say, but rarely. I've spoken with my Grandfather who died one day before i was born, and another named Zeke (Ezekiel) an Arch Angel. Quiet interesting because Zeke spoke of me from my grandfathera and ever since the 4th grade i've always loved the name Zeke and plan to name my first born son Zeke because i love it so, i hope to have another session with Zeke soon to find out more of him and his wearbouts he came from.
Zafael
Unfortunately I've only been able to contact my Guardians through the use of the Ouija Board do to my spiritual rock like nature. Fortunately they're a good small group that know how to take a joke and let me know if there is something hunting for my blood while on the Board :] Hopefully one day I'll be able to listen by myself~
Slumber Talk
Thanks for all the replies original.gif

Due to some careful consideration after posting, I've decided not to post information on Guides/Guardians unless I feel it relevant to use in a response. This is to prevent possible abuse of information be it through exploitation of their abilities and wisdom, or whatever else.

The experience I'll share was one with a very kind man, he originally was not my Guardian, but he was gracious enough to watch over my friends and I. It was sometime around mid winter last year and we were doing a board session. By this time I had already been practicing Ouija for a month or two and we knew the guests that we were going to speak to could be just about anyone and anything.

I think he was our first guest (we scribe, but our documents are divided among whoever desires to keep them after our sessions). When we began speaking with him, there was a feeling of calm and comfort. The man knew us, and had special interest in a certain friend of ours- we were speaking to his grandfather. The grandfather had nothing but praise and love to share about his grandson and other grandchildren. Our friend was adopted and the man knew that and also knew the whereabouts of his biological brothers and father. He kept saying to watch over his grandson and thought of us as good people, which was such a nice thing to say, ha ha. It was a great session overall.

Now I bet this probably is confusing: How does this relate to Guides/Guardians?

Well, during a very special session we had been told by one of my guardians that I was being followed by 8 entities with bad intention that I had lured off my brother through sleep channeling. During this session I asked if there were any other guardians present and the result was many, but that's another bunch of stories about each one of them. It turns out one of them was our friend's Grandpa, one of many of the kindest spirits I've spoke to. I was very grateful.

Blah, this post probably seems jumbled, I tried to prevent a huge text brick by breaking it up ><;

Anyway, that's one of my experiences with a Spiritual Guide/Guardian. And to those who are wondering, a Guide/Guardian doesn't have to be an angel, they can be many different entities (Though I doubt they can be demons, at least I haven't met any).
Barron
Hi. Iv'e spent a lot of time trying to get contact with my 'Spirit others' and attend a development circle (2 years now). When the guides finally show themselves to you, it is mindblowing. originally I had clear meetings through lucid dreams, where they would pass on messages for myself and others (I say 'they' because over a long time there have been a few, none of whom I recognise or know) Later after learning meditation I met them again.

One of these 'others', a tall black haired, stocky american, came to me during a lucid dream, It was situated in an operating theatre that I knew well, and he was standing in front of me on the other side of the table, gowned up for a proceedure, he asked me directly, if I was able and willing to help him (his accent gave his nationality away). I said yes, although a bit nervously, and there, now uncovered, on the operating trolley there was an old woman that I had known, that had died a couple of years previously. This lady had a message for her husband (he had moved away to live with his relatives after her death).

Quite a few months later after this dream, I walked into the toilets of my pub (anybody who has read any of my inserts before, please don't think that I have a thing about toilets! grin2.gif ) and standing with his back to me in the cubicle was a man, I walked past him, and for some reason I turned and looked back at him, he had dissapeared. I was a bit shocked, but I realised I had seen this man before! He was as clear as day, and certainly not a figment of my imagination.

My latest guide appears as an american Indian (he usually starts appearing as a piece of turqoise that is then seen to be attached to buckskin, and the buckskin grows to form this man who just sits in front of me.) He is usually short of words, and gives me symbols instead. he is very insistant and even if I wish to focus on some other matter, he will not go away.

I must admit that I have never been totally happy when people tell me of little chinamen, tibetan monks and the suchlike, visiting them, and the first time this indian appeared I thought to myself 'I don't do indians' no.gif .


Love and Light

Slumber Talk
Interesting about both entities. Do you consider them to have any personal attachment to you? Native American Spirits can be interesting. I've run into a few myself, but only through the board (Unless I don't remember channeling them- which happens often) and I don't think they were like the one you describe (Though every entity is their own person so that's expected).

Do you suppose he's trying to convey a message to you? I've run into entities who have messages and usually want to express them to someone who will listen. One of whom was a grandmother (Now one of my guardians)of a friend whose message was "Love." I've also met an entity that missed his family and just wanted to tell someone (He was a soldier I think in Iraq). In your situation you may just have someone that likes company or wants attention... which could be good or bad, I don't know the full situation.

As for the first incident, when I run into things I've channeled before, there is a weird sense of deja vu and I remember things that I don't remember learning about. It's odd when they're spelling their name and you already know who they are, but you also don't in a way (That's my situation since I don't always remember channeling them). Seeing them though must have been exciting. I've only seen a few entities physical features, they usually must have some reason for wanting to be seen. Maybe he was checking up on you helping him out?

Thanks for sharing original.gif
JustNormal
I believe everyone has a spirit guide, including me. However, I dont know who or what my guide is. I do know that when I need to connect with a spirit or human, I am guided to them in no time. How do we find out just who are guide is? JN
dkkjf68
I've have 3 guides. Two of them I met about 26 years ago during a spiritual class that my aunt signed me up for to enhance my gifts. It was called the Silva Mind Control Method. (anyone ever hear of this?) I met Chris and David through a meditation they taught us and my recent guide (whom I have a very strong relationship with) is Jonas and I met him during a near death experience 9 years ago having my daughter. Jonas is always around me and he pops in to give me messages whenever he feels like it. I listen to his wise words and take his advice very seriously as it always comes true. Something very strange he told me the other night. We had terrrible storms and tornadoes all through the Omaha area for the past couple of weeks. He told me about a month ago that we would get hit with tornadoes very nearby this season. (we've lucked out the last few years) He was correct as last Saturday night a couple neighborhoods away got severely hit. My uncle lives in the neighborhood that got his the hardest. Roofs gone, houses demolished, trees uprooted, etc. This past Wed. night we got hit again. I was on the porch listening to the sirens (they blew for about 90 minutes) and was watching the wall cloud pass over and I got a vision (from Jonas) of a campground being demolished. I thought of how awful it would be to be camping and have a tornado hit. (I just got a new camper for my b-day and I camp all the time) Anyway, I put the thought out of my head and thought "No Way could that happen" and about 45 minutes later we heard of the Boy Scout Campground in Little Sioux, Iowa that had gotten hit. 4 little 13-14 year olds lost their lives seeking shelter. Three of the boys were from the Omaha area and one of the poor boys went to my sons old Middle School. Anyway, I really try not to discount any of the visions or messages I get as they usually happen one way or another. I know Jonas really fills me in on things and I am grateful to have such a wise soul looking out for me and my family. We all have guides and meeting them could be one of the best things that has ever happend to you! Listen to those little 'voices' in your head because they could be your guide directing you on the right path. Please say a prayer for the the families and friends of the brave Boy Scouts. It makes my heart very heavy to lose such young souls, but I trust that God has a plan and he knows what he is doing. Hard to trust sometimes, but you have to have some sortof faith. Good luck to everyone meeting their guides! It is a wonderful experience!!
Barron
QUOTE (Slumber Talk @ Jun 13 2008, 06:47 PM) *
Interesting about both entities. Do you consider them to have any personal attachment to you? Native American Spirits can be interesting. I've run into a few myself, but only through the board (Unless I don't remember channeling them- which happens often) and I don't think they were like the one you describe (Though every entity is their own person so that's expected).

Do you suppose he's trying to convey a message to you? I've run into entities who have messages and usually want to express them to someone who will listen. One of whom was a grandmother (Now one of my guardians)of a friend whose message was "Love." I've also met an entity that missed his family and just wanted to tell someone (He was a soldier I think in Iraq). In your situation you may just have someone that likes company or wants attention... which could be good or bad, I don't know the full situation.

As for the first incident, when I run into things I've channeled before, there is a weird sense of deja vu and I remember things that I don't remember learning about. It's odd when they're spelling their name and you already know who they are, but you also don't in a way (That's my situation since I don't always remember channeling them). Seeing them though must have been exciting. I've only seen a few entities physical features, they usually must have some reason for wanting to be seen. Maybe he was checking up on you helping him out?

Thanks for sharing original.gif


Hi S.T. I did try past life regression a while ago, with some interesting results, and had a 'life' that took me on a journey of emigration from Ireland to america. The problem it was 1862, which just happened to be the start of the Civil War (lucky sod aint I!) I had the feeling of going to Canada to escape the conflict. Maybe thats where I met my indian friend, who knows.

My first proper contact was being taken by the hand, forcibly, through a dark passageway, that I realised was hanging with long strips of bloody flesh, dripping blood everywhere, which I had to walk through. at the end of this passageway, I was told quite plainly that 'I was not to be afraid, that all this pain and suffering that you have gone through is the way of the world. It just is!' Then he gave me an arrow with the 'thought' that I must keep to the straight line and not be deflected. (my main life problem if you will, was that I had my right arm torn off 20 odd years ago, and I have had to deal with all of the problems that came with it, as you can imagine). He told me his name was grey wolf by the way.

Seeing the chap in the toilet was a shock I must admit, but thinking about it afterwards, I felt honoured in a way that it could happen to me thumbsup.gif

John A Spera
My evalustion of the Silva Mind Control Method led to the conclusion that their focus is making as much money as they can from people.

I applied for work as a teacher. They were not interested in my skills at helping others. They wanted teachers who were good at bringing in the customers. What they teach is useful information that can be acquired elsewhere for far less than they charge. As I see it, one of their 2 day clases at $xxx is equal to a 4 hour $40 class from another source.

I realize that there are many that have gained much from learning their methods. What they teach is real and it does work.

I am happy to hear the stories that have been shared about working with spirit guidance. As I see it, none of us is ever alone. Our spirit and our spirit friends are always with us.

John
Slumber Talk
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Jun 13 2008, 02:04 PM) *
I believe everyone has a spirit guide, including me. However, I dont know who or what my guide is. I do know that when I need to connect with a spirit or human, I am guided to them in no time. How do we find out just who are guide is? JN



I believe everyone has a Spiritual Guide/Guardian as well. However, not all of them are going to make themselves known. These entities are there to watch over and protect you should harm come your way, but that doesn't mean they're going to be there for every dramatic moment. I've met people's guides that just visit to say hi, while others that lay waiting and watching until they feel the need to speak. There is no set way on finding out who your Guide/Guardian is- they let you know they're there.

Just the other night, after a couple of weeks of a friend of mine saying she probably had no Guide/Guardian (and me telling her to just relax and that there just hasn't been a need for them to make themselves known), we got news of a guardian present that wasn't familiar- lo and behold, it was hers.

Otherworldly entities are people too (corny much), just like people, they all work differently. Some are quiet, while others, like another friend of mine, can be lighthearted and perverted.

As for trying to find out, you can try praying to them, or asking for them to make themselves known. Also, Guides/Guardians aren't all watching only one person, they can be watching multitudes of them. I currently know of 14 Guides/Guardians that watch over me, all of whom I have met through various methods and many of whom watch over others and have kindly granted me their protection.

A pretty safe way of reducing the chances of finding someone not so "nice" is to try your methods in a lighted area. Guides/Guardians shouldn't have problems or at least very little with bright light. Other entities however are blinded by it- especially when using Ouija (Though I do not condone using it without someone experienced beyond common "play" and especially not without knowledge of "rules").
dkkjf68
Very interesting John A Spera. My aunt and uncle got me the class as a Christmas gift. I was a freshman in High School and it was a fun way to spend my Christams vacation. They did teach me several things that I still apply to my everyday life. My grades improved immensely and I didn't feel so alone with my 'gifts'. If I remember correctly the owners are from New York somewhere ( I remember their funny accents original.gif ) I remember the class, which was 3 days long, cost $200.00. I used to have the book that they gave with the class, which was $75.00, but have lost it along the way of my crazy life. They have alot of interesting ideas and if applied correctly can be very beneficial. Like I said, I learned all of this about 26 years ago and I still use it to this day, so I guess it was worth the money for me anyway. I know what you mean about alot of money hungry people who try to exploit things like this, but I feel that wasn't the case with my experience. Thanks for giving me your input on the method. I've mentioned this several times throughout the years and nobody else had ever heard of them. Very interesting stuff! Thanks again for your reply. wink2.gif
Slumber Talk
QUOTE (Barron @ Jun 13 2008, 02:28 PM) *
Hi S.T. I did try past life regression a while ago, with some interesting results, and had a 'life' that took me on a journey of emigration from Ireland to america. The problem it was 1862, which just happened to be the start of the Civil War (lucky sod aint I!) I had the feeling of going to Canada to escape the conflict. Maybe thats where I met my indian friend, who knows.

My first proper contact was being taken by the hand, forcibly, through a dark passageway, that I realised was hanging with long strips of bloody flesh, dripping blood everywhere, which I had to walk through. at the end of this passageway, I was told quite plainly that 'I was not to be afraid, that all this pain and suffering that you have gone through is the way of the world. It just is!' Then he gave me an arrow with the 'thought' that I must keep to the straight line and not be deflected. (my main life problem if you will, was that I had my right arm torn off 20 odd years ago, and I have had to deal with all of the problems that came with it, as you can imagine). He told me his name was grey wolf by the way.

Seeing the chap in the toilet was a shock I must admit, but thinking about it afterwards, I felt honoured in a way that it could happen to me thumbsup.gif

Very interesting, I'm sorry about your arm. Have you ever tried researching Grey Wolf and seeing what you can get? After receiving different messages from different entities, I try to find what I can on them, be it their name or words they can't translate from another language (Once spoke to someone that couldn't translate certain words from Latin and we had to look up the words and fit them into the scribing later).

Past lives are very interesting things. I have a friend whose past lives have caused us quite a bit of trouble every now and then. I'm not getting into it since its her life and she can talk about it if she wants... though, she can't remember any of it unless she wants to risk going insane... yeah, pretty special stuff.
Guardian Angel of Fire
i'd like to know other ways to get more in touch and build spirtual energy to contact them such other ways other than ouija
snackfood
Thanks to all for sharing your stories. This was a good post, better than most.

The only experience I may have had was when my car battery died. I had to get out and push the car out of traffic (it was a six-lane highway).
I started pushing the car, when I heard a man's voice stating he would push and I should get behind the wheel.
When I turned to thank the man, he was gone. I never really saw what he looked like, just heard his voice.
Of course, this could have been an ordinary non-paranormal man who was in a hurry.
Barron
QUOTE (Guardian Angel of Fire @ Jun 14 2008, 12:01 AM) *
i'd like to know other ways to get more in touch and build spirtual energy to contact them such other ways other than ouija


I only tried ouija when I was at school (many, many, many years ago grin2.gif ) and to be truthful didn't find it a pleasant experience at all, so kept well clear of it.

The best way, I find, to get 'contact' with the guides, or anyone else from the other side for that matter, is through meditation (certainly, thats how I have been taught) - they should show themselves if you ask, and if they think you are ready enough to take or make sense of the messages they give. the trick is to keep an open mind, and push away the analytical mind.

S.T
I think that the message my indian friend gave was certainly a personal one for me, and although it was a bit scary in its content, it certainly made sense. The trauma with my arm was not quite standard, as I had it 'replanted' and had to endure, over many years, the trials of trying to get it working again. Sure, I could have been bitter about the whole thing, but found in myself a calmness and acceptance of what I was going through. I know the human spirit is a great thing, but I have come to believe that it was with the help and guidance of 'the other side' that helped me through it all.

I have tried to validate grey wolf but have had no luck as yet. I do know he was a plains indian, by his costume, designs on his buckin and the symbols he is showing me.

love and Light
Slumber Talk
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences everyone.

Barron, I have no way to word the way you saw that experience other than beautiful. I've held that viewpoint for a while, maybe not experiencing something that traumatic, but similar ideas at least. You must be stronger than most for surviving that- thank you for sharing original.gif

As for using a Ouija as a method of channeling... I wouldn't recommend it. Ouija can be effective, but at the same time it can be just as dangerous. In a way, Ouija is possession- I'm not going too far into it since I'm already roaming off topic.

As Barron suggests, I would agree with meditation. I'd consider it safer as well. You may not get results the first time, but as he said, if they think you're ready, you'll get a response.

Snackfood, that's an intriguing story. You never know, but it'd be slightly odd for a hurried man to offer help and then be on his way before you answer.
Barron
QUOTE (Slumber Talk @ Jun 14 2008, 12:38 PM) *
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences everyone.

Barron, I have no way to word the way you saw that experience other than beautiful. I've held that viewpoint for a while, maybe not experiencing something that traumatic, but similar ideas at least. You must be stronger than most for surviving that- thank you for sharing original.gif

As for using a Ouija as a method of channeling... I wouldn't recommend it. Ouija can be effective, but at the same time it can be just as dangerous. In a way, Ouija is possession- I'm not going too far into it since I'm already roaming off topic.

As Barron suggests, I would agree with meditation. I'd consider it safer as well. You may not get results the first time, but as he said, if they think you're ready, you'll get a response.

Snackfood, that's an intriguing story. You never know, but it'd be slightly odd for a hurried man to offer help and then be on his way before you answer.


Thanks for the thoughts S.T. very kind of you thumbsup.gif

I hope that I can keep connection with this indian, as I find it intrigueing, the things he seems to be showing me, maybe I chould change my name to chief big nose or something like that grin2.gif
seax
Anyone,

I would like to ask a question, I have asked this before but have never recieved a satistactory answer, and in all fairness there may not be one. But here is the question.

If when you die you go either to heaven or hell, why do some spirtits hang around with us? I understand this is also tied in with religion, some people may not believe in the concept of heaven or hell. But what good is it for a spirit to hang around and "go bump in the night?".

thanks,
seax crying.gif
Shankpin
I, personally, think it's because they are NOT ready to leave this world for whatever reason(S) Or, they don't know they're dead. Sometimes, if the death is quick and tragic, in their spiritual eye they are still alive-- lingering. It's their physical body that has died. Yet, they aren't aware of this physical death and keep hanging around in spirit.
seax
thank you for your post, it is a real mystery, in fact it is more of a mystery to me than the spirt. I have no trouble believing in the spirit, but sticking around after the old skin & bones are molding in the grave when you clearing have a better place to go is confusing.

One thing for sure, we will all know in due time.

best regards,
seax
Nile_Shaman
QUOTE (seax @ Jun 14 2008, 07:00 PM) *
If when you die you go either to heaven or hell, why do some spirtits hang around with us? I understand this is also tied in with religion, some people may not believe in the concept of heaven or hell. But what good is it for a spirit to hang around and "go bump in the night?".


There are also some other ideas about it, Seax. Some people believe there really are no ghosts, just efforts and fakes by demons and their minions to confuse the issue and absorb people in either lies for beliefs or the pursuit of trying to investigate ghosts and such things, instead of seeking God.

Then people probably have a few ideas of their own. The other day I was pondering this and wondered if ghosts are really simply the sleeping Dead dreaming... unsure.gif My Grandparents always told me that when you die you go to sleep and stay asleep somewhere until the Judgement. "Sleeping in Christ" is how they called it. I thought, if that was true, then maybe we are detecting dreams... which is not really any odder than any other hypothesis going.

Other religions see it differently as well.

As you say, I guess we'll find out someday original.gif.

good wishes,
NS
Aanica
QUOTE (seax @ Jun 14 2008, 06:00 PM) *
Anyone,

I would like to ask a question, I have asked this before but have never recieved a satistactory answer, and in all fairness there may not be one. But here is the question.

If when you die you go either to heaven or hell, why do some spirtits hang around with us? I understand this is also tied in with religion, some people may not believe in the concept of heaven or hell. But what good is it for a spirit to hang around and "go bump in the night?".

thanks,
seax crying.gif
Some stay craving the physical pleasures they once knew and can no longer have, some are still in trhe state of not knowing what happened, and bad in life is usual bad in death so they stay. There are several reasons I am sure, these are some that are generally concidered as to why....Aanica yes.gif
seax
Hello Nile Shaman,

thank you for your answer. You know you said something I have heard before, that demons take on the appearance of dead loved ones to fool us. It is really something to think about. I have seen one apparition in my life. If I had not seen it I probably wouldn't believe today, but it was as clear as the nose on my face. She didn't have any feet, but she moved with haunting gracefullness. Just the movement scared me. I'm getting chills up my spine now.

thank you for your post,
best regards
seax

Aanica,

thank you for your help. I have heard before also they just don't want to leave. So much we don't understand, I guess we are just too curious.

thank you,
seax
Slumber Talk
Interesting direction the thread's taking original.gif

I'm not sure if there is a set answer to Seax's question. I have met entities that were here for multiple reasons. I'll list a few to avoid making a text brick:

-Need of attention

-Watching over and Protecting a family member or friend (Some become Guides/Guardians)

-The desire to cause "trouble" and/or stay around it (Malicious entities feed off negative energy and may "Root" themselves in troubled households.)

-No desire to "Pass on" whether it be through their own fear of it, or want to postpone it (I've run into a few who stated they were "running" from their destination)

-Some do not even know they have died and wander.

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There are many other reasons, I just decided to list a few.

You never really know what happens after you die, I have an idea, but I'll keep that to myself. There are multiple reasons for one to stay.

Very interesting view Nile_Shaman, you never know.

Thanks for sharing everyone original.gif
seax
Hello Slumber Talk,

I guess what you are saying is "personality" could be a variable in the equation? I never consided that.

thanks for your post, you have been helpful.

best regards,
seax cool.gif
Slumber Talk
QUOTE (seax @ Jun 15 2008, 11:14 AM) *
Hello Slumber Talk,

I guess what you are saying is "personality" could be a variable in the equation? I never consided that.

thanks for your post, you have been helpful.

best regards,
seax cool.gif

No problem, I aim to try and help original.gif

Personality has a heavy hand in what happens. Every entity is a person as well (Not always human, but people are people) and so their views/thoughts probably affect what they do and who they are, just like ours do.

I'd share more of my information and findings, but this is a public forum and I decided when I joined I wouldn't share too much information to prevent "abuse" of knowledge.

You brought up a great topic though- thanks for sharing original.gif
Barron
Hi all
I have never believed in the Hell concept. Remember it is a man made idea, basically, formulated during the medieval period, and used as a control mechanism by religions across the world.
If the thought of some kind of heaven or nirvana appeals, then that is fine. Also, there is nothing wrong in keeping a christian / spiritual attitude to your life, that can only be for the benefit of yourself and others around you.

I know it is an age old question, as to whether we are heading for some kind of purgatory when we pass over, but my belief is that 'troubled spirits', who have not passed over, are there for a reason, maybe unfinished business, or just missed the train perhaps.

I believe that those that have done wrong before passing, are allowed time to come to terms with their actions in a kind of limbo area, and when ready are allowed to pass fully. Again I think that the hell idea comes from our belief that those wrondo'ers need a punishment of sorts. Our concept again. original.gif
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