Yeah, why did God create such a big universe? If he only wanted humans to have the Earth...

Looking from this point of view, God must also create a way to travel between here and there in a quick motion. Maybe we don't know the concept yet, but it must be there. Imagine you created a 40-hectare house just for yourself. You must have a way to travel around the house quickly, or if you don't you'll have trouble finding things and other persons living in the house, such as intercoms, right?

He started with something very simple, but started to have too much fun, and couldn't stop.

Most conceptions of a supreme deity regard It as 'omnipresent' (i.e. existing everywhere at once) - no need for a Godmobile with souperturbo

Omnipresence may or may not be defined in relation to whether God is considered to be part of, distinct from, inside or outside the universe.

Re: the other questio, well, I'm sure there are many potential answers that can be dreamed up by believers in various versions of all of this. Maybe some will claim the great big empty universe is our playground of the future. I certainly hope it is, God-given or not

who knows .... all of this could be on the head of a pin.

I always thought of him being able to travel at the speed of thought.

But what would that be, danielost? The 'neural lag' of our own brains caused by the finite speed of our cognitive systems? Would that imply that God has neurons?

At any rate, surely if God has to travel, then He's occupying a particular space in the universe. How big is God?

How small could the Universe be? How big of a space do you need for one star such as our sun? How big of a space do you need to contain the forces that create gravity? How big of a space do you need to contain all of consciousness? How big if a space do you need to contain all the energy created by one spoken word much less the babel of all of history? Some things are easier to quantify and measure much less able to prove their existence but I suspect the Universe is not as empty as we assume...

Because...God had woke up from long long deep sleep...aka... Big Bang...our huge universe was created by God sudden "awaken" or "accidentally"...

Well he didn't just create the universe for mankind. There are many species in the universe, all with their place and space. God loves company.

Tell us about the other species in the universe in your view?

If He/She can create a universe, I think He does not have the human limitation of having to travel. He is everywhere at once in spirit.

Are you saying that you can't fathom the idea of this universe being occupied by countless alien civilizations?

I'm sure you must have read about the odds on us being alone in the Galaxy, much less the universe.

mhmm snackfood and if God did have to travel it is most likely It would use those cool Star Trek teleporters

and Jor-el just because something is possible and can be pondered does not make it fact. Most likely if there are other entities in the Universe they will not be carbon based life forms, we would not even recognize them as life, they might even fall out of the spectrum of human visibility, so we would not even see them...these are all what ifs and not facts though. A far cry from stating 'there are many species in the universe' as it was a cold hard fact.

Clovis, that is ofcourse a double standard you are upholding, anyone who follows your posts can see that for themselves. I suppose when you speak on behalf of other theories, you don't state them as fact either.

Either way, I have no prediliction for carbon based life forms, they can be AI's for all I care, there are also many orders of reality in the universe.

No, sorry - I mean,

"God must create a way FOR HIS CREATIONS to travel here and there in a quick motion..."

Sorry, I forgot to add these three words, guys - yeah, God doesn't need to travel anywhere, God's already everywhere

agreed to the claim ;O
I really wanted to play with this big, vast and empty universe just to create a planet for me!

now you made it clear.

We have absolutely no way of knowing whether God regards the Universe as "big" OR "small." He may look upon it as you or I look upon a desk-top aquarium or a puddle of mop water on the floor. In fact He may regard the Universe as sub-microscopic.

SO>>>>>>>>>GOD SNOOZE BUTOON CREATED THE UNIVERSE?!??!?! OMG THAT IS CLASSIC !!!!

Biblically the universe(heaven) is filled with gods creations. Earth is the only place where the fall occured and thus we are interdicted from communication with the rest of the universe. The universe is teeming with life, just waiting for us to reclaim our rightful place in it.
And if you dont like the biblical answer, then...... the universe is teeming with life, and if we grow wise enough to survive our technological growth we will one day get to meet it., or.....if the universe is not teeming with life now, it will be by the time we're through with it

Yes but Most of the universe isn't even capable of supporting life. If there is life elsewhere why so far away? Why so much matter scattered around? Why so much empty space?? And why so little life?

God could have put life on the other planets of our solar system but didn't for some reason.

Ah, but nudge, wink, thats INTELLIGENT design for you. The universe is constructed intelligently with logical cause and effect. Thus life (as we know it scotty) can only be planted where it will survive. Within limited radius from very specific star types.

Also he wanted to make it pretty. How spectacular would the milky way, or the horse head nebulae be, if they only contained stars which could support life on planets round them.

Also, were going to need all that extraneous material for ringworlds and dyson spheres.

Plus, im sure columbus thought america was a long way from portugal/spain. Give us a century or two and it wont take us long to get to the nearest habitable planets. Course if god restores us to our original bodies and makes us immortal, then it wont matter how long it takes, or if he reopens the stargates for us/ teaches us how to mingle our elements with the universe and travel, we will be able to travel as he always intended us to.

Or we may simply invent effective matter transmitters and basically create our own stargate system.
(damn i forgot, its only 2008, right? So far we havent admitted to inventing any matter transmitters have we, let alone effective ones?) Never mind folks, it wont be long now(in relativistic terms at least)
But first we have to survive long enough to accomplish these things.

Scientific analysis indicates that the only alien presence in the universe existed a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

Maybe god/the divine architect archetype, created one universe and then its inhabitants became like god and created others, and on and on

http://science.propeller.com/story/2006/08...verse-in-a-lab/

http://inventorspot.com/playing_god

LOL man that had me laughing!

Brought to mind 2 things kinda similar...

1 was a bumper sticker, went something like: Earth First! We'll drill and mine the other planets when we're done with this one.

Other was a story about God talking to scientists who said they could now do anything God could. God said "ok, I made man out of dirt. do that." So a scientist gets a bucket of dirt and God interrupts him and says "Hey, go make your own dirt."

God being infinate and unlimited could only make an ever expanding Universe.

Love Omnaka

Well, yes. I agree we could meet those criteria. For some "öne," some where , some time.

Some Christian cosmologists have theorized that the "Big Bang" was the Fall of Satan into physical reality.

Well, not only that, it is also my view that while here, we are bound to the physical and the material, in soul form, we also experience interplanetary sojourns for further soul development, as spirit. This is why astrology is real. It DOES have an effect on us, well, because we have been there.....grown there. Is Mars your ruling planet? Then you have probably been there, in Mars.

Your planetary journeys in the afterlife, represent lessons in consciousness and each new earth life is an opportunity to apply -- and ultimately to perfect -- the lessons learned in these heavenly visitations. Again, the purpose of this Cosmic Course is to so develop spiritually and comprehensively that we, like the Christ who did it before us, can once again be fit companions of the Most High.

Now, each planetary heaven has a peculiar mental-spiritual vibration which is just a little higher than the physical vibration of the earth. Each thought vibration experienced in these planetary heavens uniformly resonates to a common urge, principle or mental image.

These inner urges are actually lessons in consciousness which we have to learn before we can return to God. This is why it is of the utmost importance to study astrology. Not as something that IS your path, but rather, a signpost TO your correct path.

Everything that exists in the material plane also has spiritual implications.

But since God is "infinite and unlimited" why should there be any restraints or limits on the type of Universe He "can" create - expanding, contracting, static?

Father could have Made it any way he wished, but anything besides infinate and unlimited would lead to stagnation and An end, making it limited and over before it really began. instead we have the physical which is only for a moment while the spirit is eternal, unlimited and Forever, Or infinate , Just Like dads view.

What would be the point of Making a static, or limited universe?

Love Omnaka

'The Arkan L.S' date='Jun 16 2008, 05:45 AM' "Yeah, why did God create such a big universe? If he only wanted humans to have the Earth..."

Hello Arkan......I dont Know what is You Religion.
But I want to tell you Something.

Do you believ in Science & Mathematics & Logic are an Important part of Religion - Without Which - Both of them are meaningless.
That is - Religion Cannot Exist without Science - Bcos it is Created by GOD for Man - and Naturally it should be in Accordance with Science.
On the Contrarty Science cannot be Different & Isolated from Religion........B Cos who Gave us Science to Discover or Invent. GOD.

Then Naturally GOD has Created Religion & Science Coexistant.
I hope you have no Doubt on this Point.......U will Not have. Read this.

Religion without Science is Lame & Science without Religion is Blind.................Alber Einstein.

I hope we are all Together Not as Genious as Einstein.......and can easily believe what Einstein said as above.........Now our work shal only be to Realize it Each day & Verify it.
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Now Mr Arkan You answer me if you can..........

Science says.......Nothing Can be Created our of Nothing. Naturally - A man created any Law or Principle or Discover or Invent anything New.....Just Standing & Provided with No Resources or Raw Material...........U See ? This is Science

Then Tell me Arkan. What did GOD create the Universe From ??
Naturally to Our Mind - We understand that If Nothing Was there Before Universe - Then what was Gods Raw Material or Resources for Creating This Big Universe ??

And THink of this Answer Friend.
I cannot for Sure Tell you the Answer - But I can Give you Some Answer that You will Be convinced What GOD made Universe From & Surprisingly My Answer wil be in accordance with Science Principle.........Nothing Can be Created out of Nothing........and Still I will Tell you what GOD made this Universe From ??


Arkan Said " L$ooking from this point of view, God must also create a way to travel between here and there in a quick motion. Maybe we don't know the concept yet, but it must be there. Imagine you created a 40-hectare house just for yourself. You must have a way to travel around the house quickly, or if you don't you'll have trouble finding things and other persons living in the house, such as intercoms, right? "


Yes Arkan - You are Right........GOD Made Such a Big Universe - and There will be some ways for ur to Perceive.

Now Tell me How Many People - Do Social Service or Charity in this World.........Not Even 20 % of World Population. I am sure you will not Argue over this %.
Now - The Remaining 80% Knows about Social Service - & Charity & they Realize that Ethical Point of View or Religious Point of View or Humanity POint of View, Charity & Social Service is GOOD.
It Please Every Body, GOD, us, People, Friends, Relatives, Governments, etc............Then
Then..........Why are those 80% Always there...........who are not Contributing to Charity.....??

Because they have their own Personal Problems - Some may Be Genuine & Most Not.
They only Try to Escape, or Show artificial Busy Schedules..............The Fact is They Dont will to Do Service for free or Charity work.

Its the Same - God Made Everything.......the Univese & Planets.............as a Source of Knowledge & Possible Habitation for Mankind to Explore.

For : Eg.........Mars was there since Millions of Years............But Its Discovery & Its Reach was Possible for Mankind or a Robot only after Billions of Years today.
Other people i.e the 80 % are Spending their Life in Unnecessary & Unnatural unwanterd things........or Activities..........But never Contributed their Part as Charity for Science or Human Service..
If All the People on Earth would do their Part to Contribute - Naturally Manking would Progress to what GOD has Destined us to Gain or Do - in relation to His Creation of Universe.....

The Same ie Like - If you are Just Showing or Making Yourselves Busy in your 5 Roomed House of you own 40 Acres Land - When will you Find Time to Explore & Invent a method or Time to Adventure you remaining Land of 39 Acres ? ?

Come back Arkan - M waiting for Your Response...........& your Answer on My Question Asked in the First Few Lines on - Universal Creation by GOD, Science & Religion Based.

Shankpin' date='Jun 16 2008, 06:32 AM' post='2346664'
Said " He started with something very simple, but started to have too much fun, and couldn't stop "

Dear Shankpin - Yes. You are Kidding. But there should be a time for Everything. And this Blog is not a Place for your Fun.
Its about Truth Shankpin.......Truth of Life & GOD & Science & Religion.

There has been a great Missing Link & Lost Key to the Doors of All these Truths Since Millions of Years.

You Got to be Serious.
Atleast if You could have asked a Relevant Question - We would have appreciated you..... Stop It Shankpin......and Tel me this.

Have you ever Wondered About the Universe ? I hope you DID ?
Have you Ever made anything Out of your Hands ? With No Resources , NO RAW mATERIAL, noTHING.........
Just Standing or Sitting or Lying Down........Have you Invented or Discovered Anything ?? Nothing.
Dis any Scientist in the World, Invent or Discover anything - without any Tool, or Prose,or any Rawmaterial or Resources ?? Nothing.
Did AnyPhilosopher Give any theory or Law or a Principle - Sitting or Just Standing without making any Study or Observations ?? Never & Nothing.

Think of these Question.........Friend............and Let me Know if you hav anything to say about them.
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In the Mean Time - Answer my Question

Do you KNow that GOD Created this UNiverse from His Law of E = MC^2 ??

I made a House acros from Father, and Mother's house in Heaven.

Love omnaka

'Nucular' date='Jun 16 2008, 03:07 PM' post='2346943']

Said " Most conceptions of a supreme deity regard It as 'omnipresent' (i.e. existing everywhere at once) "
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Sir, I want to ask something about this..........Your statement was not precise & informative - It was pessimistic & Speculative. Not useful for any here to proceed with.

Any way.......I ask you some Question in Relation to this.......Pls Tell me

1) What is the Smallest Element - with which the whole Universe is Made up of ? ?
2) Do you believe that " Matter or Substance or Particle " is OmniPresent ? Existing Everywhere at Once ?
3) What do you Understand by Mathematical Number : 1 - Look I am an Engineering Graduate & I know what is 1. But there is something I learnt about 1 after I read about Religion & GOD ok ?
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Nucular Said "Omnipresence may or may not be defined in relation to whether God is considered to be part of, distinct from, inside or outside the universe. "

NO. Mr. English Language Omnipresence means Present Everywhere.........that is all. No Exceptions.
As Such Equivalen words in Most Languages mean the same. No Exceptions.

There is Nothing Called Inside or Outside the Universe.
When we Say Univese we have Covered everything.
Nothing Called out side the Universe.............Universe Includes Space, Heavens, Planets, Matter, Suns or Stars, Moons, Meteors, Light, Air, Water, Fire, Land, Sky or Space, Sound, Energy etc.
And there is Nothing Apart from this in Universe...........so by the Word Universe it is defined as Everything.
And when the Question of Omni Presence come..........we can say...........Everywhere in the Universe. Need Not Mention - out of Universe.
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Nucular Said " well, I'm sure there are many potential answers that can be dreamed up by believers in various versions of all of this.
Maybe some will claim the great big empty universe is our playground of the future. I certainly hope it is, God-given or not "

Naturally - Nucular u are right to Predict it.
Our house with a few room can be called as Play Ground Sometimes.
Our School Can be Called Play Ground some times.
Our streets where we Live can be Called Playground sometimes.
Then People are Playing all Over the Country - For them Nations are Playgrounds......
But Mr. Nucular. Not all Places are Our Play Grounds.

A Chemical Laboratory, A Power Plant, A Uranim Enrichment area, A Volcanic Mountain etc..........are certain Places on Earth Which cannot be Play Grounds.
Such is also the Case with Universe.
All the above mentioned Play Ground are to be ensured to be Made Safe to Play.
Then it is evident that those Places have been Explored, Studies, Analysed to be fit..........and then Called PlayGrounds.

Similarly - Universe can be called PlayGround. But Nucular - Universe has Still to be Explored - to be Studied & Analysed to be Fit for Living - If Possible - other wise No.
But Gods Point of View............He has Given Mankind A Brain Genious Enough to Expolore the Universe & Adopt the Place right for Him.........Anyway he has always reminded the Mankind to Realize the Divinity & Universal Unity of the SOUl.

Pls Post something that is Clear & Informative.
Even Now. I am not clear what was your objective of Posting your message.

Comments Welcome.

Lt_Ripley' date='Jun 16 2008, 03:25 PM' post='2346963']

Said " who knows .... all of this could be on the head of a pin"
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And then What Mr. Ripley. That is All ?
The Question actually of this Posint is.........why DID GOD Create Such s BIG Universe. Naturally if you are saying that This is all Head of a PIN..........then y are you not telling us the reason....
Why is this Head of a Pin so Big.......or Why are you not Posting Question on Such Issues.........

Let me ask you something.

1) If I Say I bought this Medicine from USA......then There will be a Manufacturing Date & Expiry Date.
2) IF I say I bought this Napthalene from India.....then there will be a Manufacturing Date & Expiry is evident.
3) If I say......this Universe is Very OLD...............then Scientists can Preditc the Age of Universe as .......some xyz Billion or Trillion years.

Point here is........This Answer of Scientists is based only on their Knowledge Limited to Our Solar System.......or a Few More, others of which they have no Knowledge.
This Answer of Scientists Cannot State the Expiry Date of this Universe or Earht or even atleast our MOON.

Forget about All this............

Let Us Say This Universe was Creted by GOD - on a point of time " T+" and then his Creation went on.

Can you Answer me " Why GOD Wanted to Create the Universe at the Point of Time " T+ " ??
How Long was he IDLE like that - Sitting Alone without the Universe ??

If he was Alone Without Universe & Created the Universe at the Time " T+" - do you think - GOD Did this Before ??
If he did this before & if was not the First time he Created the Universe - then it should be evident that - He Might have Destroyed the Universe before many time - when each time he creted it.
Was that the GOD First Time of Creation.......??? Dint he do it Before ?? If he did - the for How Many Times - Did he Create & Destroy the Universe ??

Just Answer me these - If you can. Pls.

"Rebelle*' date='Jun 16 2008, 06:56 PM' post='2347231']
Said " Because...God had woke up from long long deep sleep...aka... Big Bang...our huge universe was created by God sudden "awaken" or "accidentally"... "
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Dear Rebelle.

Your Point seems Interesting.........God Wake Up , long, Sleep. etc. So you Must be a Theist ? I hope so.
But if you are Mocking at GOD. Then This Blog is exactly a place for you. Keep Going.

Now Listen.
Its Directly Very difficult to Start with - GOD Sleeping. If we Start Discussing then we have to start Defining GOD...........that will be a different issue.

Ok - for you I will help you to Post more here on this BLOG.

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So by BIG Bang - We all Understand that - it was a Sudden Explosion & formation of Universe
Can you throw more Light ?
I mean I would like to ask you more on this.

If Big Bang Exploded...........whey are Every Element & Nature of Univese obeying - Great Amazing - Unbelievable Laws which No Man can Yet Understand.
Why are all Heavenly bodies Rotaing & Revolving ? in Perfect Circles or Ellipses ? ?
Why is F = MA
Why is E = MC^2
Why is (A+^2 = A^2 + 2AB + B^2
etc
etc
why ?

And explosion could cause all the Universal bodies to form in Such perfect Equilubrium of Motion or Revolution that - they are perfectly balanced by the Centrifugal & Centripetal forces ??

Why does such things happen with BIG BANG...........
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And Matter cannot be created out of Nothing - by Science - Then what was the matter that - Gave Rise to Universe.
Matter cannot even be destroyed . That means - there must be the Same Universal Matter Before - which might have resulted in a reformation of Universe now.
Does that mean - the Universal matter always existed even before BIG Bang ? ?
Which Circumstances or Situation might have been the reason or cause of formation or Universe with - So many Scientific & Logical & Mathematical & Ethical Principles or Laws ??
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I d be glad to see your Postings and Comments on this

'Jor-el' date='Jun 16 2008, 09:01 PM' post='2347440']

Said "Well he didn't just create the universe for mankind. There are many species in the universe, all with their place and space. God loves company."

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Dear Jorel.
You Posting is Irrelevant to this Subject.
We are discussing here about the reason for GOD Creation of Universe - Not Earth. Understand that Earth is a Part of Universe. And our Question on Universe includes Earth.
Dont Post Such Verses from BOOKS............we all can Post 1000s of Suc Verses......More over Your Verse failed to Explain the Reason for Creation of Such BIG Universe
And you Verse - Started Speakin Irreleantly here in our Blog Subject - by Speaking of Evil Worhippers............That thing is out of Context here.
Pls Be Specific to Subjet.
Its not about evil or Divine here.

Hope you will take care in Future or your messages will simply be Discarded by the Monitors.
Pls Stick to the Subject.

Try to Speak on Logical & Sciene Base - Not on the bas of a BOOk or some xyz Verse ok ?

Thanks

'snackfood' date='Jun 16 2008, 11:14 PM' post='2347599']

Said " If He/She can create a universe, I think He does not have the human limitation of having to travel. He is everywhere at once in spirit."

This doesnot make any relevance to the Question of our Subject here.
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Pls Be specific & Relevant to the Subject.
We are not discussing about GODs abilities to Travel all over the Universe.
What will he do treavelling all ove Universe ?

He has Nothing to Control there ? Except Earth.
All His books Speak of People & Rules & Species and Laws or Science of Earth...........Then why DID he make all this BIG Universe ??

People born, People Died, Hope some reached Heaven & Some Reached Hell...........what did they all have to do with........other Parts of Universe than Earth ??

Tell me about this Snackfood

'The Arkan L.S' date='Jun 16 2008, 05:45 AM' "Yeah, why did God create such a big universe? If he only wanted humans to have the Earth..."

Hello Arkan......I dont Know what is You Religion.
But I want to tell you Something.

Do you believ in Science & Mathematics & Logic are an Important part of Religion - Without Which - Both of them are meaningless.
That is - Religion Cannot Exist without Science - Bcos it is Created by GOD for Man - and Naturally it should be in Accordance with Science.
On the Contrarty Science cannot be Different & Isolated from Religion........B Cos who Gave us Science to Discover or Invent. GOD.

Then Naturally GOD has Created Religion & Science Coexistant.
I hope you have no Doubt on this Point.......U will Not have. Read this.

Religion without Science is Lame & Science without Religion is Blind.................Alber Einstein.

I hope we are all Together Not as Genious as Einstein.......and can easily believe what Einstein said as above.........Now our work shal only be to Realize it Each day & Verify it.
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Now Mr Arkan You answer me if you can..........

Science says.......Nothing Can be Created our of Nothing. Naturally - A man created any Law or Principle or Discover or Invent anything New.....Just Standing & Provided with No Resources or Raw Material...........U See ? This is Science

Then Tell me Arkan. What did GOD create the Universe From ??
Naturally to Our Mind - We understand that If Nothing Was there Before Universe - Then what was Gods Raw Material or Resources for Creating This Big Universe ??

And THink of this Answer Friend.
I cannot for Sure Tell you the Answer - But I can Give you Some Answer that You will Be convinced What GOD made Universe From & Surprisingly My Answer wil be in accordance with Science Principle.........Nothing Can be Created out of Nothing........and Still I will Tell you what GOD made this Universe From ??


Arkan Said " L$ooking from this point of view, God must also create a way to travel between here and there in a quick motion. Maybe we don't know the concept yet, but it must be there. Imagine you created a 40-hectare house just for yourself. You must have a way to travel around the house quickly, or if you don't you'll have trouble finding things and other persons living in the house, such as intercoms, right? "


Yes Arkan - You are Right........GOD Made Such a Big Universe - and There will be some ways for ur to Perceive.

Now Tell me How Many People - Do Social Service or Charity in this World.........Not Even 20 % of World Population. I am sure you will not Argue over this %.
Now - The Remaining 80% Knows about Social Service - & Charity & they Realize that Ethical Point of View or Religious Point of View or Humanity POint of View, Charity & Social Service is GOOD.
It Please Every Body, GOD, us, People, Friends, Relatives, Governments, etc............Then
Then..........Why are those 80% Always there...........who are not Contributing to Charity.....??

Because they have their own Personal Problems - Some may Be Genuine & Most Not.
They only Try to Escape, or Show artificial Busy Schedules..............The Fact is They Dont will to Do Service for free or Charity work.

Its the Same - God Made Everything.......the Univese & Planets.............as a Source of Knowledge & Possible Habitation for Mankind to Explore.

For : Eg.........Mars was there since Millions of Years............But Its Discovery & Its Reach was Possible for Mankind or a Robot only after Billions of Years today.
Other people i.e the 80 % are Spending their Life in Unnecessary & Unnatural unwanterd things........or Activities..........But never Contributed their Part as Charity for Science or Human Service..
If All the People on Earth would do their Part to Contribute - Naturally Manking would Progress to what GOD has Destined us to Gain or Do - in relation to His Creation of Universe.....

The Same ie Like - If you are Just Showing or Making Yourselves Busy in your 5 Roomed House of you own 40 Acres Land - When will you Find Time to Explore & Invent a method or Time to Adventure you remaining Land of 39 Acres ? ?

Come back Arkan - M waiting for Your Response...........& your Answer on My Question Asked in the First Few Lines on - Universal Creation by GOD, Science & Religion Based.

'The Arkan L.S' date='Jun 16 2008, 05:45 AM' "Yeah, why did God create such a big universe? If he only wanted humans to have the Earth..."

Hello Arkan......I dont Know what is You Religion.
But I want to tell you Something.

Do you believ in Science & Mathematics & Logic are an Important part of Religion - Without Which - Both of them are meaningless.
That is - Religion Cannot Exist without Science - Bcos it is Created by GOD for Man - and Naturally it should be in Accordance with Science.
On the Contrarty Science cannot be Different & Isolated from Religion........B Cos who Gave us Science to Discover or Invent. GOD.

Then Naturally GOD has Created Religion & Science Coexistant.
I hope you have no Doubt on this Point.......U will Not have. Read this.

Religion without Science is Lame & Science without Religion is Blind.................Alber Einstein.

I hope we are all Together Not as Genious as Einstein.......and can easily believe what Einstein said as above.........Now our work shal only be to Realize it Each day & Verify it.
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Now Mr Arkan You answer me if you can..........

Science says.......Nothing Can be Created our of Nothing. Naturally - A man created any Law or Principle or Discover or Invent anything New.....Just Standing & Provided with No Resources or Raw Material...........U See ? This is Science

Then Tell me Arkan. What did GOD create the Universe From ??
Naturally to Our Mind - We understand that If Nothing Was there Before Universe - Then what was Gods Raw Material or Resources for Creating This Big Universe ??

And THink of this Answer Friend.
I cannot for Sure Tell you the Answer - But I can Give you Some Answer that You will Be convinced What GOD made Universe From & Surprisingly My Answer wil be in accordance with Science Principle.........Nothing Can be Created out of Nothing........and Still I will Tell you what GOD made this Universe From ??


Arkan Said " L$ooking from this point of view, God must also create a way to travel between here and there in a quick motion. Maybe we don't know the concept yet, but it must be there. Imagine you created a 40-hectare house just for yourself. You must have a way to travel around the house quickly, or if you don't you'll have trouble finding things and other persons living in the house, such as intercoms, right? "


Yes Arkan - You are Right........GOD Made Such a Big Universe - and There will be some ways for ur to Perceive.

Now Tell me How Many People - Do Social Service or Charity in this World.........Not Even 20 % of World Population. I am sure you will not Argue over this %.
Now - The Remaining 80% Knows about Social Service - & Charity & they Realize that Ethical Point of View or Religious Point of View or Humanity POint of View, Charity & Social Service is GOOD.
It Please Every Body, GOD, us, People, Friends, Relatives, Governments, etc............Then
Then..........Why are those 80% Always there...........who are not Contributing to Charity.....??

Because they have their own Personal Problems - Some may Be Genuine & Most Not.
They only Try to Escape, or Show artificial Busy Schedules..............The Fact is They Dont will to Do Service for free or Charity work.

Its the Same - God Made Everything.......the Univese & Planets.............as a Source of Knowledge & Possible Habitation for Mankind to Explore.

For : Eg.........Mars was there since Millions of Years............But Its Discovery & Its Reach was Possible for Mankind or a Robot only after Billions of Years today.
Other people i.e the 80 % are Spending their Life in Unnecessary & Unnatural unwanterd things........or Activities..........But never Contributed their Part as Charity for Science or Human Service..
If All the People on Earth would do their Part to Contribute - Naturally Manking would Progress to what GOD has Destined us to Gain or Do - in relation to His Creation of Universe.....

The Same ie Like - If you are Just Showing or Making Yourselves Busy in your 5 Roomed House of you own 40 Acres Land - When will you Find Time to Explore & Invent a method or Time to Adventure you remaining Land of 39 Acres ? ?

Come back Arkan - M waiting for Your Response...........& your Answer on My Question Asked in the First Few Lines on - Universal Creation by GOD, Science & Religion Based.

Hi Vedantha, welcome to the forum. Some lengthy posts there!


Let's say the 'quark', if you're asking what is the smallest known particle of matter. It's hard to give another answer without clarification to your question.


No. At least, not in any practical or 'real' sense (perhaps some might argue for probability wave immanence, but I doubt it's a useful idea).


I don't know how to answer your question. There are many possible answers. The smallest positive integer? Unity? Which branch of mathematics? I hope you tell me what you learnt about the number.


I'm sorry if I was unclear, but I said "defined in relation to", not "defined as".

However, the point may link to your next point, so let me quote you and I'll return to it:


That depends. Working strictly with the definition of the English word, then you are right. But sometimes we can be constricted by language (one of the reasons physics uses the language of mathematics, rather than our woefully incomplete tongue). Defining 'the universe' as 'Everything' tells us nothing about what that actually includes. We are here, in the known universe, made up of spacetime, energy and matter. We know that spacetime is finite, and at present our definition of the universe pretty much coincides with 'the extent of spacetime' since we have neither the knowledge nor the tools right now to extend that definition. Whether there may be things other than the known universe - other, similar 'universes', a 'metaverse', previous and subsequent 'universes', today we can only theorise and speculate. But our language around such concepts is, as you can see, imprecise. It's not the terms which are important, it's the meaning they carry. So, if we're talking about 'God being outside the universe', I don't know if that is a meaningful statement, but I do know that it implies that God is distinct from that which we are at the moment calling 'the universe' (this expanse of spacetime, energy and matter). Whether your definition of universe includes a God if there is one, doesn't tell us anything about the concepts behind the language. Perhaps a better nomenclature to employ would be 'known universe' instead of 'universe', and 'universe' instead of 'metaverse'. The language, as I said, isn't important so long as we all know what we're talking about.

In terms of omnipresence, generally I would think it is assumed that that means 'occupying every point in time and space'. Without spacetime, there is no location anyway, and so the concept of omnipresence is meaningless.


It may be the language barrier, Vedantha (I mean no offence, but I'm guessing English isn't your first language), but my last comment was intended to be flippant. By 'playground' I meant nothing more than a place for us to explore.


The only point of that post was to question Arkan's suggestion that God may have to travel, which would be unnecessary for an omnipresent Being, which many would claim God is. Nothing else.

As someone who doesn't believe in God, it's a hypothetical discussion from my point of view, but an interesting one nonetheless.

When it comes to the cosmos I think you've nailed it... Er...pinned it. ; )

Are you suggesting that god thinks for us?

Please, don't tell me I'm off the topic track - I already know that.

Hello Mr. Vedantha, I figured that I would try my hand at answering your queries.

Allow me to explain the Big Bang before I proceed. The Big Bang was not just a really big explosion. The Big Bang was the rapid expansion of the primordial singularity. A singularity is a piece of matter that is so compact that it literally has no volume. You can read more about the Big Bang here.


The laws of physics do not prove the existence of a higher power. "great amazing unbelievable" are qualities you give the laws of physics, which makes your perceptions of the laws subjective. You are subjectively asserting that the perfection of the laws is indicative of a higher power, when the "perfect" quality of these laws is also a subjective observation made by you.

Oh, and as a side note, "all Heavenly bodies" do NOT revolve in perfect circles or ellipses. Orbits are affected by many things: the orbiting bodies own gravity, the gravity of its star, other massive/nearby objects. If a foreign gravitational pull is strong enough, an object can be thrown out of its orbit into space.


Again, your subjective perception is that these laws are 'perfect'. There is no objective truth to your presumptions.


Anything that happened before the Big Bang is under the title of "pure speculation", at this point anyways.

Who says there is?

I was replying to Omnaka's post of July 3, 2008.

Dear Nucular.

How Big is GOD ?

To Answer this Question you must Tell me - What are - All the Elements in this Universe..............Universe I mean Every thing..........

Tell me Pls......

God is spacetime less. Spatial relations, quantity, and size does not need to be conceived for him to exist.

Why is the Universe so big? I think it's necessary for the universe to exist that way for all the laws of physics to match.

God remains transcendent from the universe. He's not an entity existing within the laws of physics and is not part of our Fabric of the Universe like Spacetime.