I don't think your question can be truly answered by anyone only hopthisized at this stage in life as we are still with the living. Only when we are on the other side ,If you believe in ,will that information be known to us. The mass of information available through the centurys seems to leave no doubt to their existance even the catholic church supports this. I believe you may find questions better answered by someone that is an expert in the field such as a priest or demonlogist. I will include a link to one demonologist you can ask him he is good about answering, Good luck

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The World of Fallen Angels
Category: Dreams and the Supernatural

Ó 2008 By Kirby Robinson





"For our struggles is not against flesh and blood but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." Eph. 6-12





Recently, I had a case of demonic possession that was rather nasty. One of the persons that brought me into the situation asked me a few thought provoking questions concerning demons prior to the start of the exorcism. I thought I would share them with you, along with the answers.





Are demons all-powerful?

No. Demons are not all powerful nor are they all knowing or ever-present. A demon by itself is not a very smart creature. But, they can be very cunning and devious. And all demons share in the power of confusion in their arsenal of tricks. A demon by itself has limited powers. But, as you move up in hierarchy they grow in abilities and powers. This is why many times you will see a person or property possessed by multiple demons. And just like bees, they thrive in hives. Many weak demons will bind themselves together to create a power source that they don't have as individual demons. And when they are attacked, just like any army, they can call on reserves, which will usually bring in a higher-ranking demon to support them. Demons, contrary to what a lot of people tell you, cannot be in more than one place at one time. Thus, demons operate like a spy network and will share information with each other. (Interestingly enough, when demons impart knowledge to one another, this is the only time they can be absolutely honest!) Also, demons do have a habit of pretending to be a demon that they're not. One other ability that all demons share on some level is the power of telepathy.





Is there a power structure within the demonic world?

As to the power structure of the forces of darkness, here is something that might step on people's shoes, but all my spirit guides have shared this fact with me. Lucifer, the Devil, and Satan are not the same entity. Hell and heaven are mirror images of each other. Heaven has a holy trinity, hell has an unholy trinity. (This subject will be discussed in a later blog). Here are the Five Levels of Power in hell.



1^st Level of Power - Satan, Devil, and Lucifer.

2^nd Level of Power - Generals in the army, also known as the Rulers.

3^rd Level of Power - Commanders and captains, also known as the Authorities.

4^th Level of Power – Lieutenants, also known as Powers of this Dark World.

5^th Level of Power - Foot soldiers, also known as Spiritual Forces of Evil.





Do demons specialize in abilities and powers?

Here is a partial list, (there are far too many to mention in one blog), of different types of spiritual demons I've encountered. Their names will easily indicate the impact that they have on people. But I will try to explain the impact that they have on property.

• Infirmity/Weakness spirits - if the spirit possesses a property, you'd find one that is in constant turmoil over illness, spiritual and physical weaknesses, death, injury, blood, and violence.
• Mute spirits – these spirits make it difficult to think, read, write, and communicate in general. Oftentimes, electrical equipment will malfunction.
• Dumb spirits – creativity is stymied on the property, for example, a business fails because of the lack of new, innovative, or even logical ideas.
• Distressing spirits – people will find themselves constantly worrying about major as well as trivial matters, and one will never find peace and comfort when they step on such property.
• Foul spirits – property will always have a nasty or terrible smell, like the sulfur pits of hell have opened up.
• Unclean spirits – property always in a state of constant mess, and infested by rodents and insects.
• Bondage spirits – this is where you will find pack rat conditions as nothing ever gets thrown away.
• Deceiving spirits – it feels like a sense of distrust is prevalent on a property possessed by deceiving spirits. They will use the tools of jealousy and lies to make their presence known.
• Fearful/Sorrowful spirits – when you step onto property that is possessed by such demons, this is when they'll try to manifest themselves as ghosts and monsters. People who try to sleep at the property will be haunted by nightmares.
• Harlot spirits – when a person sets foot onto the property they are driven by their sexual instincts, lustful thoughts, and desires to cheat on their loved ones for no explicable reason. It is interesting to note that these demons, if allowed to possess a person, will invite one of the more powerful demons, which is an incubus demon. The incubus then desires to enter the person or animal, and engage in uncontrolled sex.

I hope this has been helpful in answering some things that might have been bothering any of you, or people that you know. Please keep in mind that this is just a partial list of spirits, there are actually hundreds! But these are the ones I've encountered the most frequently.





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LT, if you choose to blind yourself by requiring evidence which can't be provided--and which even if provided would immediately be questioned--that's your prerogative. You're right, I don't have any such evidence, but I know what I saw and felt in the middle of a busy 7-Eleven in Panama, in a deserted building in the Panamanian jungle and what I saw in a small mud hut in the Ugandan country side and I know it was not mere sleight of hand. Frankly, I hope you will continue to believe this is not real, because the only thing which will convince you is something I do not wish on anyone.

am i the only one that thinks that sounds reeeally stupid?
hes not blinding himself when he asks for evidence on a claim You made, thats pretty far fetched.
YOU made the claim, so what do you have to back it up?

First, I think you meant "herself" not "himself" and second, we all know science is not the end all be all. Yes, it's great for understanding those processes which can be observed and can be repeated, but I think we are all intelligent enough to realize that not everything in reality is universally observable or repeatable. I am not asking her to believe me, but her response seemed close-minded and what I am trying to point out is that those of us who have experienced something are not all dupes. I, along with others, saw and felt something which is so far outside of normal, everyday life that it is impossible to provide proof or evidence which would make it believable to someone who has not experienced it. That doesn't make it not real, or fakery, or misunderstanding or stupidity, it just makes it an event that unfortunately has to be experienced to be accepted.

He might simply be making a naturalistic fallacy and believing only things which the natural sciences can prove are real and facts. Clearly this is not the case. Even if he were to understand there were other alternatives he most likely would put explanations that natural science can offer as the most important as part of some socially constructed hierarchy. Which in turn is another naturalistic fallacy by believing science itself is 'better' when 'better' is a qualitative judgment and has nothing to do with what the scientific method can actually prove. In other words his criticism of others believing something can be self-applied because he believes natural explanations are better or the only way to prove things. Better is an opinion not a fact.



http://www.iscid.org/encyclopedia/Naturalistic_Fallacy

Maybe I am assuming since not sure what kind of education he had but clearly this is the product of schools not really teaching liberal educations any more. People are not well rounded. Acceptance of other concepts even if not necessarily agreeing with them but being able to understand them is indicative of a good educations. Dismissal is indicative of a bad education.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_education

Standardized tests in education today are the scourge of society. We need to return to offering liberal educations in our school. The first signs of this are happening finally. I am so glad that some universities are taking the step away from SATs.

lmao blind for wanting evidence ? no that's called logical.


and what your wishing in an underhanded way is that I become 'possessed' .....so I would believe ........ well bring it on !!!! I'm not mentally ill , not delusional , not prone to falling and speaking gibberish and not an attention seeker . Or as people living in the Ugandan country side - easily prone to suggestion.

come on Satan who never fell to earth .... bring on your minions !

time for myths to be put to bed.




oh if your speaking of my education ? I went to 12 years of catholic school. the last 4 years collage prep. and a BA in fine arts at a private art school and a degree in auto tech.

and by the way , Funner is not a word. so much for education.

Dismissal is indicative of a bad education ? then yours must be poor. try reading alot of your other posts.

ok, that was lame. you Dont Care if she believes you? then why are you even on here trying to debate?
if you make a claim, back it up somehow.
and i never said they were all dupes. but when you give a bold statement claiming something like that happened, itd be nice to provide Some Kind of Evidence. otherwise its sorta worthless

Pardon my assumptions Darkmoon, but your posts seem to me to only have a passing acquaintance with scepticism - when you disagreed with the Good Lieutenant on her comment "till then it's hearsay. not worth a damn.", I thought that was your line in the sand, as it were; because she is right, and that was the point I was making. No evidence = no story. Also you seem to espose the belief that unless one witnesses an event, one cannot accept it's validity. If that is so, do you accept that we have three remote controlled robots on mars?

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please, just end it. . . this WAS about whether or not demons have their own language. . .

i liked the harlot demon

why is it that everyone thinks demons are the BAD GUYS!
COULD it be, that the EXORCISTS are the bad guys and the demons are defending themselves? hmm? they probably just are in another dimension or something, using some sort of power or technology to attack our world because maybe the exorcists are attacking THEIR world?

xD just playing with ideas here. . . u guys really should just stop debating as it will never be solved.

Yes, as long as science can't observe it or most people cannot experience this affliction, it will not be accepted as real.

And thank your god (actually science) for this, otherwise women would still be burned as witches today. They were claiming the same and equally persistent that it was true.

I say maybe, not true or false. But it appears to look more & more like BS as time passes.

*sigh* I am open to a lot of things, i don't completley disregard the idea of possession, i am merely skeptical about it..... No evidence no story? A lot that has been written in history is just that, a story, theres no evidence there to back a lot of it up, all i'm saying is that just because somebody dosen't have proof of something dosen't mean it didn't happen. Besides the fact that this thread has gotten competley off topic..... What would you consider as hardcore proof of a possession? Because i doubt there would be acceptance of a video? Or sound and pictures? Short of actually being there, what would you require as proof? I think it's unfair to disregard someones comment, just because they have no "proof" to back it up.

It has been said on here many times "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" asking people to accept your word is pointless .We don't know you .or your state of mind .your reliabilty as a witness to anything ,if you are the impressionable type ,your gullibility .we are just knicknames on the internet .I myself don't believe in demons ,.possessions andi have never received a satisfactory answer to the question "why do demons only bother religious types " Also I have noted that the more fervent they are about religion the more they are bothered ( I can anticipate the answer to that one )

fullywired

But not everything is a claim or requires proof especially when the speaker is simply giving a perspective and not out to convince others...and those unconvinced can't instantly claim it must be proven through the scientific method, I mean they can, but no one is required to oblige them even if they walk away saying such and such does not exists then. Science can only address what can be observed in a controlled and repeatable experiment. There are many intangibles that fall outside of those parameters.

...maybe one day science will be able to address this issue adequately. I suspect spiritual entities exist on a wavelength on a side of the electromagnetic spectrum we have yet to be able to measure.

On the scientific notion of possession.

Beyerstein on Possession

To convince others is not the only benefit a discussion confers upon its participants. If that really is news, then perhaps we need a separate thread to discuss it.

Nor is the fair standard of worthwhile participation "proof." I sincerely hope that even for the k-est of skeptics, proof is shorthand for plausible reasons to take a report seriously, the more resons, the better.

Example: IamsSon reports here that he once saw glassware floating with no visible means of support, and in the vicinity of another person whom he judged to be possessed. At least I think that's what he reported. If so, then claims include:

That he saw any such thing.
That the glassware actually was floating.
That this other person had anything to do with that.
That what the other person had to do with it was hosting a demon.

Of those, only the first seems discussable. Healthy people see anomalous things all the time. Interrupt their habitual sleep for a day or two, maybe add a few other stressors, and just about everybody will sporadically see something different than is actually the case.

So, his saying that it happened to him is plausible enough to justify the effort of talking about it. "Proof" is neither furnished, nor called for, because the claim itself is good enough to proceed.

But the rest? "I saw X" is a flimsy reason, even for the speaker, to conclude that X happened. Our perceptual apparatus, while usually reliable, misfires. We know that about ourselves. A prudent speaker's confidence in the truth of X relies on other things, usually that X is an inherently plausible thing to be true.

If not, then I, the perceiver, need more than experience as an eyewitness to achieve confidence about X. I cannot be surprised that other people would, too.

As to the other two claims, no human being can perceive causality. Period. It is an inference. The only way anybody can reliably assert a causal relation is to undertake an active investigation.

As with the truth of X itself, if Y is a usual and ordinary cause of X, then fine, Y caused X, say no more, will be plausible enough to pass. But otherwise, there is something that needs to be added in order to discuss the claim.

"Science" has very little to do with this. Science may be the most visible beneficiary of a secular increase in the sophistication of our ability to reason about reality, but the improvement shows up in all fields of human endeavor. Our religion, art, and philosophy seem to have benefitted, too.

"The Pope says so" really was good enough once upon a time. Then it wasn't anymore, and by an amazing coincidence, "then" coincided with a remarkable increase in overt acts of science.

Most of the modern patterns of reasoning are more general than their specific application to the concerns of science as such. You will find them in traffic court, or the produce section of the supermarket, as readily as in the laboratory.

But of course, I have no lively prospect to convince anybody else of my view. There may nevertheless have been some benfit to somebody in explaining why it is my view. Worst case, maybe I have a better understanding of how my ideas fit together, and where improvement is needed.

I am sure you will have more than a few ideas about the last bit. Discussion ensues.

Actually to answer your question I'll give you an example of one I've experienced first hand..... I tought myself to perform an exorcism through experience, trial and error (as some of you know from reading the article on possession with that person who was talking to Foras) and in one of my encounters the demon inside the host began to speak in a language that nobody in the room had ever heard, it was a very strange language, very similar to an ancient mayan language but I looked up the words together and could find no answers, I forgot about it until just now when I read this topic, but yes demons do have their own language, they just do not use it as much due to the fact of, if they use an earthly language they can tell us their demands and what they want to do to us and how they want to harm us, that's the only reason they really use earthly languages

exactly ! well said.

Agreed, Thanks Fully Wired.
@ Darkmoon: I know that the discussion has drifted from the original OP; in defense, I point to FW's post, and add this; To accept that there may be some mystery in the language spoken by demons, one has to accept that such a thing exists. I do not. Therefore any discussion must involve the existance of said phenomena. You say 'there is no evidence you would accept'. I would ask - how do you know what I would accept as evidence? As fully Wired points out, we are not talking about scientific evidence here, but rather an accumulation of (at least) partially falsifiable colloquial information - a category that video and pictures fall into. If you provided one dodgey video and and made your claim, I would ask for more. If you provided 200 dodgey videos, I would be far more inclined to admit that what ever was happening, it would merit closer attention. Do you see?