Ive been reading so much material lately I think my mind will never stop going in circles-

So, I was reading the Lost Books of Eden, which has a in depth story about Adam and Eve and their children. Many things match up, like the names of Adams children, ages of Adams children and certain stories that are in the Bible. One of the things I find of interests is the story about God instructing Adam on how Adam must instruct his sons how to mummify him when he dies with the things the Angel brought out of the Garden of Eden-anyways-so God taught them how to mummify Adams body and they placed his body in a cave (cave of treasures).

Then later, we get to Noah, and he was instructed to build the Ark. Well in these lost books, he is also instructed to take Adams body in the Ark with him. Then he is told that when he dies (Noah) his son Shem will need to take Adams bones from the Ark and to take a desendent with him, and take the bones to the center of the earth (through Gods guidance). Shem is instructed to tell no one of his doings. When the time comes that noah passes, Shem takes a desendent, which just so happens to be Melchizedek! Shem is not able to get into the Ark, but Melchizedek is....then Shem and Melchizedek are led by God to the center of the earth to place Adams bones there. In these old text, it clearly states that the center of the Earth is Golgotha! For those who are wondering why this is so strange to me, Golgothat is the place where Christ was crucified. Now how strange would it be, for Adams bones to be at Golgotha, the center of the Earth, and for Christ to be cricifed over Adams bones?

Also, when Melchizedek was the one able to open the seal of the Ark, God makes the claim of Mechelzidek becoming the chosen High Priest....and when they did reach the place God led them to, God instructed Melchizede that he must stay in this land where he layed Adams bones, that he could not return to the land in which him and Shem came from.

Whatcha all think about this?

Who wrote it Hans Christian Andersen?

fullywired

Here is a link with many different writings-I found the Forgotten books of Eden and the Book Cave of Treasures interesting

http://www.earth-history.com/Pseudepigrapha/index.htm

Yeah... Pseude - ancient greek for 'False'. Pigraphe = 'inscription'. False inscription.

Pseudepigrapha books, were written between 200bce and 200ce, but attributed to prophets and kings in the Hebrew scriptures. Or, more literally, they were added 1700 years too late to be apart of actual scripture.

Those books you read, they're like this book by; Manda Scott. Doesn't make the book an actual happening but just makes it more entertaining of a legendary person (or, in this case a single god and its makings)- although, genesis never actually happened anyway, they're metaphrical. But this was the easiest way to explain it.

This reminds me of this story I read some time ago.

http://www.wyattarchaeology.com/ark.htm

I can't say I believe it, but they are similar.

Many of these old books contain the same stories of the Bible-just with additional stuff. So you think that these pseudo books are just someone who took the same stories of the Biblical stories and just added some stuff just for fun? I dont think they should be shrugged off so easily...Many many things in these pseudo books contain facts that you will find in other books.

I ment to place my reply on Chokmahs response-

Yes. Like Boudicca novel page I linked you to. They have actual facts in them, along with added extra's for entertainment. Doesn't make the added parts anymore real.

The clue is in the name of these 'lost books of eden' Virgo, I'm not insulting you or anything because I'm making out a bit of tension. But Pseudepigraphe is ancient Greek for "False inscription". It's just a story that expands into the lives of a metaphorical story, gives the characters more life you see. And of course they'll have references to OT stories, as they were written 1700 years after they were written, and attributed to late prophets and kings - who were Jews who'd be more than familier with the OT .

So yeah, just a story trying to explain character backgrounds and such.

No tension here Chokmah, I love to discuss history and I thank you again for conversing with me...

Now, I must point out that the label of this variety of text 'Pseudo' came much later after many of the writings came together and the Greeks labeled them this. Originally, many of the writings originated in Palestine and many of them were originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic. I think they all deserve their own title such as what they originated with, for example, 'The book of Giants' is the book of Giants. The later grouping does not give any merit in my opinion. How can we have text that were Hebrew and Aramaic grouped together by a Greek title saying they are 'false doctrines'. Many of the text were copied many times and many of them were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Its easy to follow the popular vote, following the idea that since they all were labeled 'pseudo' in the later time, that they are truly a 'false doctrine' and they dont deserve a second glance or a in depth study. In my opinion, there are important facts with in some of these text. Many of these text were widely known during the time between 30BC and 60 AD, and we have Jesus coming into the picture at this time. I think many of these text help work out the huge difference in teachings of the OT and the NT....just my thoughts though. Would love to hear others thoughts still....

It doesnt surprise me though, that again, religion takes a path to control peoples thoughts to what is true and not. When I read something, I get a feeling. Its like a compass that points you in a certain direction. There is truth in many things, but rulers and kings will only label certain things truth if it works out well for them to do so. I strongly feel that there were writings that God wanted included in his 'word' that did not get included. Many of these writings help one to understand the soul and the parables that Jesus came to teach. Also, I feel for anyone who goes by another's word of something is not seeking within for answers. If there is truth in something, the Divine will let it shine through the rambles....

Not sure what led you to think I was having tension Chakmah, just because we disagree doesn't mean I contain tension....I am a sure footed person of faith. I am very patient and I love to discuss this kinda stuff. I didnt post this to prove any one wrong or right, I posted this because I find it a interesting subject to discuss. Your answer is simple, for you aren't willing to consider anything different then the later label they have been giving. But I feel a deep pull inside myself, to understand history. Sometimes we can look at things outside the Bible, but still use the Bible for the main source.

Considering that the oldest OT books we have date only to the Dead Sea Scrolls deposited ca. 70 A.D., many of the these texts are just as old, and in some cases, seem to tell us what the original content of the original Bible texts said before later editing. For example, in exodus, it merely states "God sought to kill moses" after he married Zipporah. But in the 'Lost Books' we have more detail of the incident. God sends a great serpent/dragon to swallow Moses because he did not circumcise his son, but the monster spews him out when his wife cirumcises the baby in the nick of time. It seems this had been taken out of the 'official' Exodus but retained remembered and retained in the other ancinet texts. Certainly there was more to the story in Exodus for it is simply too vague.

Many of these books, like Enoch had an enormous impact on Christian theology, even though the books themselves were eventually proscripted.
The Dead Sea scrolls prove that the original books of the Torah were even changed sometime after 70 AD.

In my own field of interest dealing with the dragons of Judao Christian theology, we can see the important influence they once had that was later discarded as beliefs changed.

For example, the seraphim described in Isaiah were originally "fiery flying serpents" in the original Hebrew, and depicted in Chirsitianity for centuries at literal 'dragons', where several of the 'lost' books also describe dragons as heavenly creatures and connected to the Seraphim. This proves that modern Christian interpetations that the word meant fiery ones with no connection to reptilian beasts is clearly false. In ancient times such reptilian deities were perfectly acceptable to the early Christians of the Roman empire, becasue 'drakons' were assistants/companions to their pagan gods. However, as the church became dominated by Germanic peoples, these cultures looked upon such creatures as evil and they were eventually 'written out' of the theology to make it more acceptable to the former 'barbarians' who were now masters of Europe and the Church. But the ancient "lost books" discovered by archaeologists long after the Catholic chruch tried to burn them all, proves what original Christianity was like before it was changed to suit the tastes of the North European barbarian conquerors.

In the Bible there is not much reason given why God refused Cains offering....in the lost books there is more to the story-

Chapter 76

Cain becomes jealous of Abel because of his sisters.

1 And the children began to grow stronger and taller; but Cain was hard-hearted, and ruled over his younger brother. 2 Often when his father made an offering, Cain would remain behind and not go with them, to offer up. 3 But, as to Abel, he had a meek heart, and was obedient to his father and mother. He frequently moved them to make an offering, because he loved it. He prayed and fasted a lot. 4 Then came this sign to Abel. As he was coming into the Cave of Treasures, and saw the golden rods, the incense and the myrrh, he asked his parents, Adam and Eve, to tell him about them and asked, "Where did you get these from?" 5 Then Adam told him all that had befallen them. And Abel felt deeply about what his father told him. 6 Furthermore his father, Adam, told him of the works of God, and of the garden. After hearing that, Abel remained behind after his father left and stayed the whole of that night in the Cave of Treasures. 7 And that night, while he was praying, Satan appeared to him under the figure of a man, who said to him, "You have frequently moved your father into making offerings, fasting and praying, therefore I will kill you, and make you perish from this world." 8 But as for Abel, he prayed to God, and drove away Satan from him; and did not believe the words of the devil. Then when it was day, an angel of God appeared to him, who said to him, "Do not cut short either fasting, prayer, or offering up an offering to your God. For, look, the Lord had accepted your prayer. Be not afraid of the figure which appeared to you in the night, and who cursed you to death." And the angel departed from him. 9 Then when it was day, Abel came to Adam and Eve, and told them of the vision he had seen. When they heard it, they grieved much over it, but said nothing to him about it; they only comforted him. 10 But as to the hard-hearted Cain, Satan came to him by night, showed himself and said to him, "Since Adam and Eve love your brother Abel so much more than they love you, they wish to join him in marriage to your beautiful sister because they love him. However, they wish to join you in marriage to his ugly sister, because they hate you. 11 Now before they do that, I am telling you that you should kill your brother. That way your sister will be left for you, and his sister will be cast away." 12 And Satan departed from him. But the devil remained behind in Cain's heart, and frequently aspired to kill his brother.
Chapter 77

Cain, 15 years old, and Abel 12 years old, grow apart.

1 But when Adam saw that the older brother hated the younger, he endeavored to soften their hearts, and said to Cain, "O my son, take of the fruits of your sowing and make an offering to God, so that He might forgive you for your wickedness and sin." 2 He said also to Abel, "Take some of your sowing and make an offering and bring it to God, so that He might forgive you for your wickedness and sin." 3 Then Abel obeyed his father's voice, took some of his sowing, and made a good offering, and said to his father, Adam, "Come with me and show me how to offer it up." 4 And they went, Adam and Eve with him, and they showed him how to offer up his gift on the altar. Then after that, they stood up and prayed that God would accept Abel's offering. 5 Then God looked at Abel and accepted his offering. And God was more pleased with Abel than with his offering, because of his good heart and pure body. There was no trace of guile in him. 6 Then they came down from the altar, and went to the cave in which they lived. But Abel, by reason of his joy at having made his offering, repeated it three times a week, after the example of his father Adam. 7 But as to Cain, he did not want to make an offering, but after his father became very angry, he offered up a gift once. He took the smallest of his sheep for an offering and when he offered it up, his eyes were on the lamb. 8 Therefore God did not accept his offering, because his heart was full of murderous thoughts. 9 And they all thus lived together in the cave in which Eve had brought forth, until Cain was fifteen years old, and Abel twelve years old.

Importance of Gold, Incense and Myrrh, from the lost books

Chapter 30

Adam receives the first worldly goods.

1 After these things, God commanded the angel Gabriel to go down to the garden, and say to the cherub who kept it, "Behold, God has commanded me to come into the garden, and to take from it sweet smelling incense, and give it to Adam." 2 Then the angel Gabriel went down by God's order to the garden, and told the cherub as God had commanded him. 3 The cherub then said, "Well." And Gabriel went in and took the incense. 4 Then God commanded his angel Raphael to go down to the garden, and speak to the cherub about some myrrh, to give to Adam. 5 And the angel Raphael went down and told the cherub as God had commanded him, and the cherub said, "Well." Then Raphael went in and took the myrrh. 6 The golden rods were from the Indian sea, where there are precious stones. The incense was from the eastern border of the garden; and the myrrh from the western border, from where bitterness came over Adam. 7 And the angels brought these things to God, by the Tree of Life, in the garden. 8 Then God said to the angels, "Dip them in the spring of water; then take them and sprinkle their water over Adam and Eve, that they be a little comforted in their sorrow, and give them to Adam and Eve. 9 And the angels did as God had commanded them, and they gave all those things to Adam and Eve on the top of the mountain on which Satan had placed them, when he sought to make an end of them. 10 And when Adam saw the golden rods, the incense and the myrrh, he was rejoiced and cried because he thought that the gold was a token of the kingdom from where he had come, that the incense was a token of the bright light which had been taken from him, and that the myrrh was a token of the sorrow in which he was.
Chapter 31

They make themselves more comfortable in the Cave of Treasures on the third day.

1 After these things God said to Adam, "You asked Me for something from the garden, to be comforted therewith, and I have given you these three tokens as a consolation to you; that you trust in Me and in My covenant with you. 2 For I will come and save you; and kings shall bring me when in the flesh, gold, incense and myrrh; gold as a token of My kingdom; incense as a token of My divinity; and myrrh as a token of My suffering and of My death. 3 But, O Adam, put these by you in the cave; the gold that it may shed light over you by night; the incense, that you smell its sweet savor; and the myrrh, to comfort you in your sorrow." 4 When Adam heard these words from God, he worshipped before Him. He and Eve worshipped Him and gave Him thanks, because He had dealt mercifully with them. 5 Then God commanded the three angels, Michael, Gabriel and Raphael, each to bring what he had brought, and give it to Adam. And they did so, one by one. 6 And God commanded Suriyel and Salathiel to bear up Adam and Eve, and bring them down from the top of the high mountain, and to take them to the Cave of Treasures. 7 There they laid the gold on the south side of the cave, the incense on the eastern side, and the myrrh on the western side. For the mouth of the cave was on the north side. 8 The angels then comforted Adam and Eve, and departed. 9 The gold was seventy rods*; the incense, twelve pounds; and the myrrh, three pounds. 10 These remained by Adam in the Cave of Treasures**. 11 God gave these three things to Adam on the third day after he had come out of the garden, in token of the three days the Lord should remain in the heart of the earth. 12 And these three things, as they continued with Adam in the cave, gave him light by night; and by day they gave him a little relief from his sorrow.