This is from a movie based on a ww1 battle.


A German officer says that Americans don't know they can be beaten.


I say that line is wrong. We Americans know we can be beaten, we're just not going to let you beat us.


And, militarily we have never been beaten. We lost the Vietnam war on paper, not on the battle field.

Thank you for that.

Considering the US did not enter the war until the very last year almost they were not a major player. Most likely the movie you saw was from an American perspective that gives more credit than is deserved. But I could be assuming.

erm....really. Did you tick the wrong box where it said 'winners' or 'losers'?

p.s. I think you'll find Russia played the major part in turning ww2 around.

I think every nation at some point has 'lost militarily' alrthough maybe not on the grand scale of a war, but most certainly America has lost a battle.

I am going to move this to a General Discussion area...

yeah Americans didn't play much of a major role in WWI

What year did the US enter the war? What was the last year of the war?

War of 1812, the Canadians/Brits kicked butts all the way to DC. They got bored and turned back without burning down the White House

Didn't win Korea, didn't win Vietnam, barely won the Pacific, with nuclear bombs on civilians.

Reminds me of the wounded British soldier in a crater in Nomansland during a big battle. An Australian crawls into the trench, all ragged and injured. "So", says the Tommy to the Australian. "Did you come here to die as well?"

"Nah mate", replies the Aussie. "I came here yesterday."

Now that is the best line I have ever heard!

Ok, now that IS punny!! LOL

thanks for that one!

I was commenting on the comment not the war. and of course it was from an american perspective.

Sorry get your history right. The brits did burn the white house. That is why it is white. As for who won that war. If it had gone 6 more weeks the usa would have won. Since we kicked englands best unit 6 weeks after the war was over. Korea isn't over.


We dropped two bombs on civilians in japan. The brits dropped how many bombs on german cities at night because they were too scared to fly in the daytime when they could see their target.

I've just watched Rambo 4.... impressive combat achievement in Burma.
And that was only one American.

Yep, we did what we could to win the war as quickly as possible.

I know.

Actually if you look at the war. You will see it was Hitler that turned the war in favour of the allies. Not that they could have beaten the usa at any time. Unless we had just walked away like the demos want to do in Iraq. Like we did in vietnam.

Patriotism is foolish, this topic made me lol. (most of his topics do, though.)

NO, GET YOUR HISTORY RIGHT.

The British bombing didn't exclusively take place during night, though often, for the German air-defense was far more impressive than what the Japanese had avalible at the time. Mostly it didn't really matter if the bombs were imprecise, the destruction of civilian structures was desired, indeed it was hoped it would force the Germans to earlier capitulation, much like what the U.S. hoped to in regard to the nuclear bombs. Plus that in regards to Japan, old Harry Truman wanted to show Stalin his new firecracker, and it sure provided quite the blast.

The firebombing of Tokyo and the two nuclear blasts killed several hundred thousand people, indeed the direct casualities did kill many more people than the british bombardment. The U.S. did not just drop "two bombs" on Japan, Japan had already been bombarded for months when the nukes fell.

I hope that is a good thing at least in a minor way

War is the worse business we ever got into.

I have a hard time understanding wether or not you're serious, and wether or not there's two or three little personality's fighting for control in that cute lil noggin' of yours..


Btw I too have NEVER EVER lost in a military conflict, so there...

WRONG!!! The worst line from some sort of media is from the Da Vince Code video game... when you fight a guard in the museum he says, "Would you like it super sized!!" = Epic lol!!!

stupidest line i've ever heard is from movie "Guest House Paradiso"

it really full of stupid line

Now that is the stupidest line i have ever heard from any of the gung-ho crap that I see so often spouted on this site.

Scared? Look up, as you're so fond of telling others, your history.

World War I: began August 1914.
America: first major battle June 1918.

World War II: Began September 1939. France fell: May 1940. Who kept up the fight against the Germans until they invaded Russia in June 1941? That's right, the cowards, and of course, the Commonwealth, such as your neighbours just over the border.

America: didn't enter the war until Hitler declared war on them after Pearl Harbor, in December 1941.

Scared?

and you haven't even got that right. It was a few more than two bombs. Ever heard of the fire raids on Tokyo? No, i don't expect you have, ignorant as you are.

That's right, the Brits, a tiny island, who stood alone against the Germans for so long in WWII - whilst the the Germans trounced over the whole of Europe. Yes, too scared

WW1, known in America as the 1918 war.
WW2 the Russians fought their own war, and if it wasn't for the British convoys keeping them supplied they'd have lost, Britain won it's own war then broke out and fought in every theatre of conflict.

The funniest line I can recall in a movie is from The Third Man.

An inspector from Scotland Yard is questioning Martins' about the injury to his finger.

Martins:
"A parrot bit me."

Inspector:
"Oh be sensible Martins!"

The funny part is, a parrot bit him.
Hilarious!

you crud.

Perhaps we should adopt the american approach & shoot the civilians in the back as they run aka Iraq & Vietnam.

Would that be the civilians who refused to stop when ordered to or the ones carring bombs or granades on them.


In world war 2, Whether you bombed a city in the daytime or nighttime civilians were going to die, no smart bombs.


The point I was trying to make is, in Japan we destroyed 2 cities with 2 bombs. In germany I don't know how many cities we destroyed with how many bombs. More civilians are killed in a war than armies are. Except maybe the one in Iraq, I don't know the numbers.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1873.html

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/mylai.htm

http://dwb.sacbee.com/content/opinion/stor...-10241546c.html

http://www.antiwar.com/glantz/?articleid=12855

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/85725/

I added to my post I don't need you links to verify something I already know.

Do you still hold to your line that the British were "too scared"? I've seen the beginning of an attempt at backtracking, but I haven't seen an apology for that yet.

Truly ? Lets see...
US Military Objectives: prevent invasion of South Veitnam by North Veitnam.
Outcome: South Vietnam invaded and permanantly occupied by North Vietnamese troops.

Dunno Danielost... if your troops abandon the battlefield to the enemy, then that usualy means a military loss.

Meow Purr

Hey what do you know, I didn't have to look too far for "The stupidest line I have ever heard"

Were the air raids as damaging as the nuclear bomb?

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No I was upset about a britisher saying that bombing two cities with two bombs was so much worse than bombing countless cities with thousands of bombs.

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The troops didn't abandon. The politicians ordered them out. The end of the tet offensive was also the end of the norths capability to mount an offensive. And when in a war you are doing nothing but defending you have lost that war. Don't believe me ask hitler and the japanese. I would say the italians but they just got tired of fighting.

When the war was over Berlin was nothing but rubble. After the two bombs, Those two cities were nothing but rubble. The only difference is number of people killed in the raids. The normal bombings would kill up to 45,000 each time. The two bombs killed 150,000 one time.


It really doesn't matter war is the worse thing that we can do.

I think other than the bombing of Dresden ( in which the RAF and USAF were involved ). Hiroshima and Nagasaki were deliberate bombings of civilian populations...also your comment on the british being scared of daylight bombings is disgusting. Do your research, American bombers had a far heigher ceiling range than British bombers, therefore they were out of range mostly of AA. British bombed at night, Americans through the day it was an established tactic.

I guess it's kinda like
When pushed... Killing is as easy as Breathing ...

Yes I know and the americans almost gave up the day bombing because they didn't have any escorts to fight the fighters. That is until the mustang came out

As an American who has both a decent knowledge of (actual) American history and the good fortune to spend much of his life abroad, I find danielost's drum-beating simplistic and distasteful in the extreme. Heaven only knows why he feels the need to to prove himself and his country in such a childish manner, but unhappily too many of our fellow countrymen share his disposition. It often makes travel that much less pleasant for the rest of us.

--Jaylemurph

Sir I will defend this country from unwarranted attacks verbally or written any time any place.


I agree those a bombs were bad and yes the killed a lot of innocent people. But please don't tell me that the a-bombs were the only bombs every used to attack civilian targets.


Roosevelt was very surprised by the amount of damage that those bombs did and the number of people who were killed during the bombing. But his info told him he had just saved over 1 million lives by doing it.


Would I have made the same choice no. I would have bombed an unoccupied island first and give them a chance to surrender.

I wouldn't feel too bad Jaylemurph.... there's only one thing tougher than an American.
And that is.... a....... an
An English man!
When an English man speaks... the world bows down and listens.
Cup of tea anyone? yes that's right... with milk!

No wonder...the tipical Brit is what, 4'7"?

For some reason, when I read this, this was all I could think of.

--Jaylemurph