Great, my second discussion forum was locked, IN ONE DAY!(Marijuana and God) I dont see why these are being locked. We are debating here. If everything we say is going to be shut down then why do we have freedom of speech. I am not starting riots here, and im sure a little bit of name calling wont cause a major uproar. The God topic was closed because of a bit of name called, but both of us didnt mind it. As for the Marijuana one, I dont know who shut it down but I would like to know the reasoning. Unless someone threats to snipe someone as they walk out for their morning papers, then please, leave the topics alone.

WE are not here to debate. We are here to discuss topics of the unexplained and the mystrous. Your post get shut because, A. you probebly didn't read the rules, which you should, B. WE don't come here to aruge with each other, religon is very testy subject, calling people names is immutre. And doesn't really contribute anything to our forum.

Name calling is not allowed just as personal attacks are not allowed. A debate does not include any of the two things mentioned. Each person has thier own beliefs. Attempting to get your point across by using language or personal attacks or name calling is not a debate. Sorry that they got closed but you might want to read the forum rules.

Hi rini

Still they shouldnt be shut down. No one was getting hurt. And if the topic or myself were going overboard then give me warning and I could watch what I say... And isnt debating another form of discussion. The topics of God and Marijuana are very relivant. These topics were made to see both sides and opinions of others. These were not for discussion but for light debate i.e. Whether marijuana should be legalized, or whether God exists.

And if it isnt for debating as you said then why is there another discussion/debate called the "chicken or egg debate." Just because this is not a big issue in society today, it dosent mean that some important debates should get closed while other irrelivant ones stay open.

The Evolution Vs. Creationism topic is certanily about God, the bible and Noahs Ark. Yet for some reason my topic was shut down even though these are the same. I did not look through the 30 pages of "discussion" but I have found people insulting others getting angry and implying threats. "If you dont know how to read a book ..." "this is getting frustrating," "Hmmm, I would remain from continuing your invesigation of this if I were you, if you remain ignorant we will not have to take... unpleasant measures." So would anyone unlock the topics that were locked.

IT SEEMS TO MEE LIKE THIS IS GETTING HEATED.

"Once again, I have been victim to the stereotypical views on "Religion". I have tried to explain my stance on this whole thing, but no one has acknowledged it whatsoever. It's not fair to me that you automatically think you know all my beliefs and everything. You immediately think of me as just another one of those religious hypocrites. You made LOTS of statements in your post that I REALLY should clarify. But it would be no use. I'm not going to try it anymore, because we all obviously have VERY different views on the underlying nature of reality. Many people here choose to believe that, overall, Humans are basically allowed freedom in EVERYTHING, and that there are no consequences in life. I, on the other hand, choose not to fall victim to childish naivete..."

WHY NOT SHUT THIS DOWN?!?

I understand what your saying. But you need to understand that some of your comments as well as others. This forum is very closely monitored for content. When a thread become a "Your an idiot" "No I'm Not, you are" then it is no longer a debate. Many times responses are not dealing with topics but get off the thread and get into rants of who is right and who is wrong. I am not saying any one of your opinions is wrong, but your style of debating is not within the guidelines set for this forum. I know that if you have been to other forums anything goes. The UM forum tries to be a place where others can exchange ideas and opinions without all the BS and name calling.
This is a good forum, they allow just about anything people want to discuss. But there are guidelines.

i agree with you DBTFG, but posting a rant like this isnt going to help. i know, ive tried

i also believe that debating=discussion but some people just dont take that point of view. anytime you 'size someone up' in a post you are bound to just get a locked thread. of course, you can send me all types of argumentative and name calling IMs if you like and ill send argumentative and name calling IMs back. that way we can both satisfy our urge to argue a point without worrying about these Qtip spines getting upset and calling for it to stop.

in fact, let's start a little IM club. anyone who likes to bicker, send me an IM about something controversial. i believe in God, i am a liberal democrat/borderline socialist, and i am totally intolerant of weakness in a person's character. pot smokers, lazy people, drunks, etc totally irritate me. hopefully, one of you is an atheistic, pot smoking conservative and we can have lots of fun.

Man I love to argue. But sometimes I do get carried away. And well lets see. I do not believe in God. I think the whole story is a bunch of crap made by power hungry people who formed the church. I actually refered the church to the mafia before I edited my statement after getting slapped by everyone(that'll get you going). I smoke pot and enjoy drinking.(your going to die anyways, so why not have fun)

Considering that you have been a member here for less than a week, getting this many threads closed tells me that the problem isn't with the mods locking the site...

You have chosen topics that have been locked down again and again. I don't know if you have read through previous posts on the matter, but a quick search should have shown you how these topics go. If you didn't take the time to do a little research before posting, you should have. A thorough read through the forum guidelines is in order too. There are rules here.

The mods don't want things to devolve into unproductive discussions. It is their choice as to when a thread is locked. They have always done a good job in keeping things civil in discussions that get heated.

By reading through your posts it appears to me that you were pretty much trolling for a full blown name calling argument. This doesn't appear to be that kind of forum. A little research would have shown you that. There are many other forums out there that may suit you better if that is what your were looking for.

Claiming freedom of speech issues isn't going to help your matter, this isn't the US government's forum, nor is it yours. If you want to exercise your freedom of speech make a sign and go stand on your street corner. You will be able to exercise your first amendment rights until you turn blue. This forum belongs to an individual who pays the considerable fees involved with running it. He gets to make the choices of what flies and what doesn't, he shares that responsibility with the mods.

Hey man I live in Canada. And as for no research..

Cannabis seeds were originally used in china in 6000 B.C. The use of marijuana as a medicine for the chinese was introduced in 2727 B.C. Hindus adapted the use of pot for spiritual use in about 1200 B.C. After many years of using hemp for clothing mankind adapted Hash into the drug catagory. This was very popular in the Middle East. Cannabis was then intoduced into the egyptian society during the 12th century. The first commercial production and exports of cannabis was used during the 13th century. Slaves then borught plants over to brazil(1549), and the use and planting of cannabis spread. This was also used in America for medical use during the 1840's. The British benefited off this by taxing ganja. From 1877 and on Marijuana steadly became illegal in most countries, and criminal drug rings were developed.

Last year in Canada alone 93,000 Cnadaian faces criminal drug charges. Between 2001 and 2003, sometime in there, The Canadian governemt decriminalized small amounts of pot. The Canadian Prime Minister even made comments about smoking pot.

The use of pot was originally used for medical and spiritual use. Over time these reasons were still used for smoking, but more and more people began smoking it for pleasure and growing for money.

DRUG: A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication.
Such a substance as recognized or defined by the U.S. Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.
A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.

* I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ALCOHOL
To me this defination includes alchohol. It impares the nervous system and changes the behaviour of people who use it. If drungs are illegal, then shouldnt the use of alcohol be criminalized also?

Thousands died each year from alcohol related "accidents"
ZERO people have died from marijuana related "accidents"

If marijuana, pot, cannabis, ganja... poses no threat to anyone, not even the user, why should it be criminalized by the government. The most serious problem from smoking pot are kung related or respatory problems. Insignificant problems include dry mouth, insomnia or paranoia.

In places like ansterdam, marijuana is sold in stores and in food. The government even benifets off this because of taxes. If it is only legal to smoke it for medical reasons, then why arent we aloud to smoke for causual reasons. The government could open stores similar to the LCBO(which sells liquor) or beer stores; and sell pot. They could benefit from this. Money made from these stores could go towards needed revenus for proviences or states. And the 93,000 Canadians (we only have a population of 30,000, so its 1 in every 300 o so) would not clog out justice systems and be less time consuming for the judges. Therefore they can get onto real matters LIKE MURDER, or abuse or sh** like that...

I say why waste time with drugs when they will be used anyway. The popularity of marijuana is up 40% so why not benifit from its many positive uses!

YEA THATS WHAT I THOUGHT....
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And as for my religious topic.. well there is also another one that still hasent been locked. I dont know why but if one should I guess all of the same nature should too.

FluffyBunny, do I detect some ass kissing.

I have just figured out that those who claim freedom of speech the loudest are always the ones who are the first to deny it to others.

By research I meant that you would research what has been posted before in previous posts before rehashing similar material. The search function works very well. Try it, you might learn something about how previous threads have gone.

I wouldn't try to turn this into another drug thread either. But that is just me.

A drug thread is perfectly fits what is happening today. It is very relivant and a hot topic to talk about. And I did not try to turn this into a drug topic... I thought you were telling me to research my topic first so...

dude, are you dense? dont just copy your marijuana topic into this thread. if its locked, its locked and i can guarantee you wont win this fight. send me your best marijuana should be legalized propaganda (since you just copy and paste it off the web anyways) in an IM and we can argue about it if you want. im mean AND longwinded. i will wear you down punk.

@Stillcrazy

If your not turning it in to a drug/pot topic what is that long post above?

WTF... and no that is not copied and pasted. And i was trying to prove a point with it... and wow im scared of you, jackass.

jesus, Fluffybunny, lighten up. its obvious he was making a joke.

DBTFG, ditto dude.

If you want a good debate, start some controversy.

And yes FluffyBunny it wasent a harsh comment towards you. I guess its a dry sense of humour.

Come on StillCrazy they are empty threats/comments. Not a big deal.

ya, while the mods deal with it, i wonder what the penalty for threatening physical violence over a post should be? boy, i sure wouldnt want to sit next to Fluffybunny and say something rude, he might snap! how ironic that a guy so prone to aggression chooses a name like FLUFFYBUNNY to use on a forum. i will have to make a mental note of this so i never tick off anyone with a happy, smiley sounding forum name

LOL, wow that was the most scarcastic thing I've heard in a while.

Some people have to lighten up. Smoke a joint, settle down and relax.

By the end of the night this will be closed... Is three in one day a record?

With out going in to detail again All I, and the others were trying to point out is simply this: When you signed up you agreed to follow the guidelines set forth by the Administrator and Moderators. If you violate those guidelines they will close a thread. If you continue to ignore the guidelines they will lock out your account. We were trying to keep you from having your threads closed and you from being locked out. Because of the post on this thread, I have no doubt it will be closed.

Peace and good vibes all around.

actually, im just trying to irritate you for fun, Fluffy. i think you imply violence as the reason that he wouldnt say that to your face, but i guess you couldve meant that you might massage his shoulders while giving him come hither man glances.

Ok then, BUT(I always have a but) the topics of God and Marijuana are very good and interesting ones. There was no need to close them, even if they didnt follow the specific guidelines.

Haha... (Bizarro) but im not into that.

DS, ah so you found ally and gloves come off huh?
I guess you have neglected to mention that you have probabaly had more locked threads than most people?
And yes we have had our run in's a few times haven't we? With the mods in general and with me. Seem to remember about four? religious topics that you 'contributed' in getting locked.. Not to mention the others...
And it's not slander or nitpicking DS, it's the truth. Any one that wants to check can go look at your post history..

Diebytheflyguy. The 'God' thread had turned into name calling... and why do we have to see this when you can do it in private, through Pm's and email. Your whole attitude sucks pretty much, as for the person who is encouraging you, well I rest my case from what I said above.. As for having a warning you have and would have got a PM to inform you of this...

Stillcrazy and fluffybunny, the case was argued well but if some peopele have made their minds up about something they won't change..


You know, I pretty much don't mind if you don't like me.... that's something that I have to take doing this job.. We don't get paid for it, but we do it so that people can enjoy this place. And having to trawl thru childish tantrums and arguements is not what people want to see.
Thanks Celti