Not even Hubbard claimed that he was Arcturian.

Where did you get this information?

HN

Yes, and the things they say about souls. -_-

I used the individuality of annon Just for you because you schooled me on it so hard, But with , Even individual anon, acting as they do to bring down the evil empire, or cult That Scientology Poses twards the unsuspecting, It fits nicly with Uknowme's definition Of legion.


Love Omnaka

I am an Acrturian. I have had the similar training as scientologist do but I went straight to the top. I can manipulte the energy I find also. I can permantly remove that energy also so it will not find another host.

Oh.

Thanks

HN

Do you know WHAT they say about Nibiru and the Anunnaki......and do they say anything
about 2012...?

ummm...

I have never heard of any Acrturian but ok.

HN

Ummmm.... ok, enjoy that.

however, you should understand that high level Scientologists don't have any "training" ... they've been brainwashed to a large extent.

Many realize that Scientology is a hoax once they reach those upper levels. Unfortunately, by that time, they've endured a great deal of psychological, and perhaps even physical abuse and have a VERY difficult time leaving... and once they do leave, Scientology will hunt them and harass them quite cruelly... cruelty that's happily endorsed by the "church" That's just wrong.

I am not a Scientologist. I am quite familiar with the beliefs held by them but not an expert.

You aren't thinking in the same realm as Scientology.

Google them.

Anti Scientology


Scientology itself


Hint: - you have to buy stuff from the second link.

HN

Yea I do not know if you seen but scientology was taken over by a different person over 20 years ago. This is when it changed.

They do have some hard training. They want to break you down. It's up to you if you let them.

Herb pm me I can have you speak to someone that has alot more knowlesge on the subject if you'd like. You may be interested to know.

You might not be a scientologist, but you are obviously very anti-scientology.....have you any PERSONEL
experiences that would make you that way...?

The second link you put took forever to load...and kind of got stuck on 11%..... (11..... )
I wanted to see if you were correct and that I would 'have' to buy stuff....wondered how 'they' were
going to make me......

OK, What did you Buy? And will you share the answer you Bought with the rest Of Us?

Love Omnaka

HN

Just a note - I am anti anything abusive and extreme.


I don't have a problem with religion or anyone's belief system in general. When anything is taken to an extreme or a person's right's are restricted then yes, I am very anti.

HN

Well My religion and The way of Life in Our Heaven is unconditional Love, So you are good to Go, You are unconditionally Loved, UNless your love is diferent than mine!

Just Kidding, I kid. I'm a Kidder.

Love Omnaka

If you'd read my previous posts, you'd know that I have friend that got out of upper levels of Scientology only 6 years ago. Nothing has changed, in fact, it's likely become WORSE. Miscavgie is as horrible or more horrible than LRH was.

correct.

HN

I just thought it was very telling that you provided a link that involved payment of some kind.
And not a free one...ie like the Scientology web site..that can be googled by anyone...and is totally free....

Talk about understatement. He is known to be physically abusive to people around him. There is a poster that posts on various ex-scientologist message boards, his screen name is 'blownforgood'. He was pretty high up, and close to miscavige but now is out. There's one account that is now pretty infamous on ex-scientologist message boards, this account shows just how abusive miscavige is to his staff:
Musical chairs.
His own niece, Jenna Hill, recently spoke out against the church's practices on Nightline. Her and two other woman that grew up in Scientology started a website Ex scientology kids This site has numerous accounts from children that grew up in the church. Most of these stories are powerful, and make you wonder how the "church" gets away with some of these things.

If anyone needs a glossary of terms and abbreviations used on various ex-scientologist message boards here's one:
Glossary of terms.

I apologize for putting numerous links in all of my posts but I tend to ramble, and the links put want I want to say, more eloquently

www.scientology.org is the Scientology website. Yes, accessing the website is free. I may not have said that properly. Getting the information about the beliefs and levels and such - that costs you money.

Beginning Books

Basics

Congress

Take a scroll down the page on the last one and see what the cost of the Congress publication is.

Not sure what your point was regarding my links. Clarify please?

HN

It is estimated that to become a high level Scientologist the cost will run in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

2006 Price list

Click to view attachment


HN

I have been following this Scientology and Annon fight very closely. I am very against any belief system that hurts others or puts others at risk especially something as extreme as Scientology, If they want to believe in Aliens, thats ok, I'm not against that, people believe in some very strange things sometimes. The thing that bothers me is people have died horrific deaths and lives are being put at risk every day with Scientology. People are putting their life savings and retirement money into this, in a few cases people have committed suicide because they have lost everything to Scientology and aren't able to get anything back. Even people who speak up against Scientology are at risk of losing everything. I would feel the same not matter what religion it is, when such extremes are happening. I fully support annon, honestly I hope they do take them down.

I surpose....it's like you're on a mission....so you chose a link that portrayed scientology
in a bad light....when you could have chosen a different one.....fair enough....that is your perogative....
and you are trying to prove/emphasise your point of view.

It's coming across like Scientologists are on a mission....what ever that is....I still don't get what
it is....but also, anit-scientologists are on a mission as well.

Also, I also don't get....why, if it's all so terrible.... high-profile, rich people get involved? Is it true that Will Smith
is involved....or have I got that wrong and it's just a rumour?

HN

What a bummer I like John Travolta and His movies and thinkKirsty Allie Is a good girl, and Man Iam dissapointed to find out they are abusing peops w/ their beliefs.
Maybe they are like Anon, Having alot of the same beliefs But have Independant thought, Loooking for the same thing (Enlightenment?)

Sounds Familiar.

Love Omnaka

The Church of Scientology is abusing people. I believe most members are not fully aware of everything. Members are "disconnected" from friends, family and a great deal of the real world.

HN

Anonymous doesn't charge money. If a member leaves, they go. No problem.

There is really nothing in common with Anonymous and Scientology aside from a very distinct vocabulary.

I dont think Kirsty Alley Or John Travolta are disconected from Family Fame Or friends , I'd like to hear their personal Take on Their personal Beliefs with this Group, There are other actors who give command(Great) performances who might also describe their Faith Maybe in a capasity like Bee Eff does on Ask a Mormon..

This thread already started out wit a Biast slat Against the scientologist. I digress from this thread and will rejoin it when a Scientologist can present his view .

Thanks.

Love Omnaka

Yes.....it looks like everyone's stupid, powermad and/or money-grabbing.......except the Anonomous lot...
of course... who are trying to save us all......whoops, that sounds familiar.....

The one shared belief behind Anonamous, Is to disasemble Scientology Though Right?

Making them a group of Judges Not individual entities, or Maybe just this shared philosephy with different Means of achieving the same ends?
Or maybe it's just a cop out for those who believe in their own doctrin, but not eanough to admit it and Be Judged Back.Anon.

You seem to Back them, and defend them, I'm still waiting for an Scientlogist to Come and tell their story. I see alot of Scientologist bashing threads, Maybe I should go to one of the links provided and ask one to Join us in this trial where Beliefs and Lifestyles are Judged?

Love Omnaka

I'm very suspicious of any religion that spends a lot of effort trying to hide its doctrine and beliefs, unless you pay with BIG MONEY.

Most any other religion, Christianity, Islam, Judiasm, Buddism, etc. have open disclosure. You can study any aspect of it from the outside without being a member.

Religion consists of ideas and messages, and I thought these were free? Aren't poverty-stricken believers entitled to the religion of their choice?

Good thing Luthor stepped Up, or The only way You would know about the Bible is if You Knew Lattin.
Thats a bit presumptious, But yes even the Higherarchy of Catholicsm was For The bishops and priests Knowing God, and the rest Paying for it.


Love Omnaka

HN

Please point out to me where Anonymous is money grubbing. Power mad? Dunno. I don't think so. Stupid? How did you come to that conclusion?

HN

HN

If anonymous is certain that CoS is full of crap, then would not the optimal strategy be to let them speak unhindered and so reveal their crapfulness to the widest possible audience?

If not, is anonymous gifted in some way that when CoS lies, anonymous sees through it, but other people, hearing the same lies, cannot?

Finally, who died and left anonymous in charge of deciding which organization is worthy of operating a website?

HN

Fair enough, HN. Thank you for the answers.

No prob.

HN

The Church of Scientology is just wasting their time. Abusing their members and making up a bunch of bull about aliens and spirits.

The negativity surrounding Scientology is there for a reason. While its major celebrity members do not seem to be separated from friends and family, it has caused rifts and well publicized ones at that. I believe what Anonymous is doing is trying to bring to light the flaws in Scientology, and try to bring about justice for those whose lives have been badly affected by the organization.

I don't think people dislike Scientology because it is the "in" thing, I think they see it for what it is, a cult. If no money or at the very least a reasonable tithe on par with other churches, that would be one thing, but the thousands of dollars?

I also think it has been well documented that L. Ron Hubbard had a dubious past, and a very unspiritual reason for starting it in the first place (on a bet). So really if any organization makes it their life mission to take down Scientology and/or expose it for what it really is, so much the better.

HN

You have to wonder what kind of 'church' has it's own special investigations unit. Scientology has the Office of Special Affairs (OSA), these guys are like scientology's own CIA, they are the ones that do most of the fair gaming.

Scientology also has their own lil "failboat", the Freewinds. Earlier this year it was dry docked in Curacao for blue asbestos. The presence of blue asbestos on the Freewinds has been known for at least 10 years. Architect Lawrence Woodcraft was supposed to do interior renovations but found the blue asbestos. He tried to report it to various high-up Sea org members and have it removed, but the asbestos remained. Basically scientology has been exposing it's members (and non-members) to blue asbestos knowingly, for at least a decade.
Lawrence Woodcraft's affidavit

For some more creepiness look up 'Trementina Base'

I was being ironic..!!!

Tell me if you really don't get what I'm saying and I'll explain.......

HN

I have a pretty simple answer for this. Many years ago (in the 50's) when LRH started his organization, he felt one of the best ways to attract the common person was to get celebrities involved. There is a CoS in Hollywood called the "Celebrity Center" Yes, it's a chruch just for Celebs. The kind of Scientology that celebs are taught and fed is completely different from what the common person gets. Totally different. You won't find any celebs that send their kids off to Sea Org nor will they or their kids get sent to the punishment camps to work off their "surpressive behavior". What those high profile people get is SO much different from the common schmuck. celebs don't have to work 20 hours a day for the church the same way the no money Joe might to work off their payments.



It won't happen. Simply put, Scientologists who have the inside track on the organization are disallowed from using the internet, watching news, reading papers etc... it's considered a distraction (yea right). It's also the reason the celebs have "handlers" who sheild them from any news or internet usage that might turn them on to what the rest of the world thinks about their religion and what former members say. With one exception... they do task several of their members (often school aged children), to come to places like UM and dispute what's being said. As I understand it though, CoS numbers are dropping rapidly, and they don't have enough people to combat all the negative information flowing around the internet anymore. They did try for a long time though.

Most people aren't even aware that mega internet giant Earthlink used to be run by a very high ranking Scientologist; that is absolutely known for sure. The whole company was believed to be a front for CoS by some folks (I don't know if that's true.... but). it's since changed hands, but I have hair raising stories from a few folks I knew who worked for Earthlink in the early 90's who were REQUIRED to work Dynetics at work whether they were Scio's or not! Sky Dayton, founder and former CEO is quite a head case. Many of those folks left Earthlink fearfully and came to work for the company I worked for HLC.

It really shows that know one here knows LRH or the real stories of how he died and who did it.

The Legion threat was over 20 years ago, that is when the orginization changed and started being crap.

Only some one that has been there knows. Only someone that knows LRH knows.

Do not burn your books, they want the technology gone so noone can get possible figure out this the secrets of this world.

Again scientology is not the only truth, they are spread out. It is one part of the technolgy that leads to a bigger understanding but you have to put so much more information together.

Hi,

I've mentioned it previously. Why don't you start a new thread and explain what you are talking about? So far we only have cryptic statements.

Thx.

HN

Cryptic statements are all I can leave. Anyone interested in more will find out. It is all on your level of interest on what you learn.

I just want to be on the record of oppsing the lies and pointing in the right direction. We all have our own walks and ways of finding out.

I have done mine. You want a suggestion. Go to the COS and start learning. Got to the vatican and start learning and go to the Jews and start learning, then get in to the public governmetns and start learning. It is the only way that you will be able to draw the lines.

Sounds like masons...

They masons have infiltrated all those area's and the are direct the flow from with in them, well they come from the Roman Catholic Church and spread to any group that have a following. Maybe you can be a double agent.

Btw I like the cat

HN

Sounds like masons...

"They masons have infiltrated all those area's and the are direct the flow from with in them, well they come from the Roman Catholic Church and spread to any group that have a following. Maybe you can be a double agent."

"Well, then I guess I have even more information. Many men in my family are Masons. Years and years. A double agent for who (whom?)."


Well HN I guess I be like you and get to be a double agent,( for Who did they ever say? ) my family also has Free Masons My own father is a Master Mason and my Sister and I both are Eastern Star....Aanica

Oh yea and I am a Daughter Of The American Revolution