I found this odd message to the Church Of Scientology does anyone know what it means, I have listened to it but I take it as a threat to the church (I am not a scientologist) I am curious as to what its about besides Tom Cruise, who I could care less about.
This is a transcript of the computer generated voice.

url: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCbKv9yiLiQ



Hello, Scientology. We are Anonymous.

Over the years, we have been watching you. Your campaigns of misinformation; suppression of dissent; your litigious nature, all of these things have caught our eye. With the leakage of your latest propaganda video into mainstream circulation, the extent of your malign influence over those who trust you, who call you leader, has been made clear to us. Anonymous has therefore decided that your organization should be destroyed. For the good of your followers, for the good of mankind--for the laughs--we shall expel you from the Internet and systematically dismantle the Church of Scientology in its present form. We acknowledge you as a serious opponent, and we are prepared for a long, long campaign. You will not prevail forever against the angry masses of the body politic. Your methods, hypocrisy, and the artlessness of your organization have sounded its death knell.

You cannot hide; we are everywhere.

We cannot die; we are forever. We're getting bigger every day--and solely by the force of our ideas, malicious and hostile as they often are. If you want another name for your opponent, then call us Legion, for we are many.

Yet for all that we are not as monstrous as you are; still our methods are a parallel to your own. Doubtless you will use the Anon's actions as an example of the persecution you have so long warned your followers would come; this is acceptable. In fact, it is encouraged. We are your SPs.

Gradually as we merge our pulse with that of your "Church", the suppression of your followers will become increasingly difficult to maintain. Believers will wake, and see that salvation has no price. They will know that the stress, the frustration that they feel is not something that may be blamed upon Anonymous. No--they will see that it stems from a source far closer to each. Yes, we are SPs. But the sum of suppression we could ever muster is eclipsed by that of the RTC.

Knowledge is free.

We are Anonymous.

We are Legion.

We do not forgive.

We do not forget.

From what I understand it is a rally to show the "church" for what it "really is" and to give more information to the people who follow the "religion." As it stands Anonymous has gone on to state that this is not against the "church" or any of it's beliefs, only the matter in which information and the parishioners are strictly controlled. They aim to give the people "the choice they never had before."

I placed some words or phrases in quotations both to illustrate my own bias and uncertainty in relation to some things I have mentioned.
There are a few other videos on you tube..I personally enjoy this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yozvaMGkDjo

Keep looking and go searching, there is plenty of information out there :3

The rise of the Fourth Reich?

Yes, I found more information on Anonymous and what they are, this is a war I knew nothing about but I am finding it very interesting I still am unsure of what Scientology is and why it so big so I plan to continue my research
here is the blog link to Anonymous it explains a little more about who they are for those like me that are new to this...


http://www.funky-bunch.blogspot.com/

These guys released the books of Scientology online through bit torrent piracy.

Aren't they a hacker group or something? Isn't this kind of old, did they actually ever accomplish anything?

I hope you don't perceive me shilling for these websites since I just registered today (I actually registered to see the pictures in the pyramid threads) but maybe I can be of some help on this topic.
A bit of background: Scientology has a long history of taking down websites and issuing copyright claims on various people. When the Tom Cruise video came out in January (I think) cease and desist letters got sent out to most of the websites hosting it. This is where the s*it hit the fan. First 'anonymous' started out with the DDoS attacks, but when the majority of people actually started looking into the "Church" of Scientology, they were horrified at the abuses, their Fair Game policy, the sea org, etc. Most of anonymous are perfectly fine with what Scientology beliefs are but they are protesting and infuriated with the way it's run, almost like a corporation. For example from 'raw meat' (new member) to the highest rank, OT8 (Operating theatan 8) it costs about $360,000.
If you wondering why 'anonymous' wear masks during their protests, it's because of scientology's "Fair Game" policy. Many ex-members and critics have been sued, and harassed relentlessly by the church.
There is way too much information to be presented here but if you want to read more on the whole anonymous vs. Scientology, and WHY they're doing what they're doing here are some links:
Enturbulation.org - The forum on this website is where the majority of anonymous post.
Operation Clambake - This is probably the best website for information on the 'other side' of Scientology.
Whyaretheydead.net
Why anonymous protests.

I really have never cared what Scientology believes, to each his own really... BUT, the organization of Scientology is frightening. I have a friend whose life was destroyed by it, and in fact still being destroyed by their "fair game" tactics. I was on the receiving end of some of it.

I'd like to see Scientology stopped. Now, if they want to change their operating practices and hold on to their core theology, whatever, that's fine, but they are a cult, and a dangerous one at that the way they are currently operated.

Clambake is a good and accurate site. My friend has been active there and has given her deposition to them.

Thankfully, the numbers of people joining scientology are on a wild decline from what I understand, but Scientology will say the opposite.

Scientologist are weird at least in how they are portrayed by the media so not to sure if that is an accurate portrayal. Some who claim to have knowledge within describe it as a cult with many dangers of one but I am not sure how valid that charge is. I do think the cultural phenomenon of hating on Scientology is partly because of jealousy and mostly because of South Park or one of them cartoons that always satirizes it. I could be wrong on that part but some people act like hating on them is the cool in thing to do. I do not get it at all.

As far as anonymous maybe it is just a group of btards? Not sure though that is just a first guess.

I have been to the links provided and realize now this is something I had no real idea about thank you for the links.

Sounds like some hatefull tripe , Just another organization Hating another because of diferance in belief.

They do not forgive , nore do they forget.Ha Ha .

I do not forget, but always try to forgive.

Those who do not even try to forgive as they would life to be forgiven, Hold no sway with me or those who love.

I feel for this self riteous non forgiving anonamous group, who feels the need to hurt another to make it's self heard.

Live and let live.

Love 00mnaka

Double 0 mnaka? Secret agenting are you now?

Who would align themself with a group who does not forgive?
Let he who is without sin, Be the first member.

Love Omnaka

Naah, Just trying to be as Cool as annon.

L ve mnaka

Well as disturbing as some find this video it is a mere facet of pop culture and meant to be satirizing. In other words it is not real.

I didn't know you had to register to see pictures in threads....




You know....I don't get what is going on with the scientology thing.....but the way that they are
hounded, hated and ridiculed.....makes me take notice.....this I have gathered....they have fallen foul of very
rich and powerful drug companies.....and I don't suppose psychiatrists are too keen on them either.

I know everyone has a good laugh about the Thetan business and volcanoes.....but I wonder if it's
something to do with the ET stuff......and even the Nibiru stuff.....that is making them worthy of such
venomous attention.....?

I know...I know....the poor victims.......etc etc........this could be true.....but it could also be a 'frame' job...??

I am NOT a scientologist and I don't really know what they're about.....surpose I'd better find out.....don't
panic....I don't mean JOINING them.....I wouldn't join any organisation, religious or otherwise.....that is most
definitely NOT my scene.......

Interesting websites. My boyfriend and I went to the scientology website just for a laugh. It actually started to scare me because the whole time I was laughing he was saying that "it doesn't seem so bad. . ." and I started teasing him about how the brainwashing techniques were already working.

I've never personally understood why anyone would pay so much money to be a part of a religion. Not to mention a religion made by a science fiction writer that was referred to alot as a "compulsive liar".

And while alot of it sounds funny. . .they really are scary when you look into it. Scare tactics, powerful lawyers. . . You'd have to be either very brave or very stupid to try and go up against them.

Right you are SS after I posted this and referring to some links that others included like" clambake" I have researched this most of the day and God help anyone who gets involved with this cult. talk about a world order now I know why it was referenced as "The Fourth Reich"
and seems they have the major government offices on their side, this is so powerful its scary to write about.

It's only powerful if you give it Power, otherwise it's just another belief.

Love Omnaka

It's a Brain washing sect... created by a cult...

actually, things like Fair Game is VERY real in Scientology... I've been on the passive receciving end of it. I have a friend that was a Sea Org member of Scientology but in her previous life she and her husband were both Chiropractors with a nice reputation. She suffered greatly at the hands of Scientology, she still can't get her kids out, and Scientology has placed Fair Game on her. To the point to where her reestablished chiropractic clinic was broken into, her client list stolen and all her PRIVATE e-meter session transcripts from a 2 year span of time were mailled to ALL her clients. I was shocked to say the least. I read one page not knowing what it was and then horrified stuffed it all back into the manilla envelope and immediately drove to her clinic to give it to her. I had NO business reading anything that private. There was no doubt that it came as part of the Fair Game practice of Scientology. She is not the only person this has happened to. It's quite common.

The horror stories I heard from her were horrific and directly from someone who lived the experience. She says that what's represented on Clambake through the depositions are quite accurate.

The practice of 'Disconnection' is one (of many) of the most disgusting things that scientology does. Disconnection basically is, if someone in scientology has family members or friends that disagree with scientology, they are called Potential Trouble Sources (PTS) or Suppressive Persons (SP). The person in scientology than has to disconnect with said family members/friends, which means no contact, nothing.
Another huge this is what is called the Rehabilitation Project Force, or RPF. Members of the Sea Org (a paramilitary, wannabe navy) who 'act out' are sent to the RPF. To put it bluntly, it could be equated with slave labour.
For anyone who is interested about the 'Fair Game' policy, google "Operation Freakout".
Some more sites, if you're interested:
Ex-Scientologist message board.
Arnie Lerma's website. This guy was pretty high up, and engaged to one of L.Ron Hubbard's daughters.
Xenu TV This guy, Mark Bunker, has video taped protests for many years. On many of these videos, you can see Scientology's 'Bullbaiting" tactics they use against critics.

Some people to google:
Lisa McPherson
Paulette Cooper
David Miscavige
Elli Perkins
Gerry Armstrong

To Bee: In some threads, the pictures are posted as attachments. To view the said attachments you need to be registered.

Oh well that might be true but perhaps I was misunderstood. I was speaking about the video only posted in the OP as not being real and just being satire. It was a video made for the lulz... and made to bash Scientology and not support it. I mentioned it was not real because it appeared some were believing Anonymous represented a real entity with a real agenda. The following is part of the transcript of the vid posted in the OP.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCbKv9yiLiQ

Your statement (bolded by me) is incorrect. Anonymous does not hate the individual and their beliefs. It is the practices and abuses done by the "church management" that Anonymous opposes. "Anonymous" doesn't hate anything. It is a group of individuals with a common goal. They all have different beliefs as well. Yup, you have some "Anonymous" members from the *chans that feel everything and anything is fair game but that is separate from the actual activities of Anonymous. Infact, many Anonymous members will point you in the direction of the FreeZone. Google it.

About live and let live? Forgiving? I will not/would not forgive ANYTHING or ANYONE who brought about the death and or destruction of another individual for no other reason than personal monetary gain.

You (collective) need to research a bit more deeply before passing judgement.

HN

I was taking what I read from the letter by annon, Being that forgiveness is key to understanding and Living in this world where everyone from agnostics to scientists will mess up from time to time, Should they be not forgiven, Or demonised for life ?

I will not forgive , or forget, Holds no sway with me Or The nature Of God,( Heavenly Father and Mother).We were put here to learn , Diferences and what works for the individuals who search for their own path, not to be told what to or what not to believe by a group who calls themself Anonamous.
Actually Iam only speaking for myself when I write, and If it seems I judge , My apologies, Iam actually just stating that Hate and what goes along with it is not for me.

I can stop an attacker without hating him, or killing him, or sabotaging his website.

Violence breeds violence, I wish people would stop teaching this method

Love Omnaka

Trying to sabotage anothers Group, or religion or way of life, because they do not believe what you do, is akin to hating another because he or she believes differently

I've Heard that about almost every Religion ever created.

Love Omnaka

scientology - Brainwashing

CNN = Politics (just felt like adding that in)

Anonymous is not a religion it is a group of posters on chans sites as HerNibs stated. They are sites where people post on threads but everyone mostly posts as anonymous so there is really no telling who is who. They do take down websites at times but like everything else they do it is for the lulz. Nothing serious. It is a collective without an identity. Most of their posting has to do with posting pics, many photoshopped, and other posters just commenting or posting more pics.

The *chans and Anonymous are two different groups. Some members of the *chans belong to Anonymous. Not all of Anonymous belong to the *chans.

HN

This should explain things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Chanology

From what I understand, the original founder of Scientology, the author of Sci-Fi eerm cough! Classic 'Battlefield Earth' L. Ron Hubbard setup scientology as a business to promote 'Dianetics', and as has been done before, registered as a religion due to some knd of benefits they receive.

I have had the misfortune of enduring a recruitment drive by members, at the time not understanding at all what scientology was. Basically I completed a massive questionnaire, which at the end of it I was told I was mentally ill and needed to buy Dianetics and attends regular services.

Luckily I am quite a strong minded person and told them to 'F' off, but I can see how other people would be very intimidated and confused by the messages they get from their recruitment drives.

while I agree with the sentiment of your statement.... there is a difference.. Scientology deliberately brainwashes...
It's knownly based upon brainwashing techniques and the courses cost an fortune; which is the purpose.
The test you take, when you first enter the Church or centers are always rigged.
The Oxford Capacity Analysis ™ test which has nothing to do with OXFORD....another manipulation.

Yep, and that is just getting INTO the church. The party really starts if you leave.

HN

Not powerful in the religious sense. . but powerful in meaning they have people in high places, they've got a strong legal team. . . they're like a religious mafia or something. Deaths have been linked to their "Fair Game" policy. . .Imagine worrying about getting killed or having your reputation completely ruined just because you stopped going to church on sunday (actually, that sounds like the salem witch trials doesn't it? )

That's why anonymous is anonymous. I'm sure they're already "fair game" but as long as they don't know who they are they can't do anything. There's too many people afraid to speak up against them. Sure, we make fun of them. . .but they really are dangerous and scary. They don't think too much of taking a person for everything they are worth. . .even I'm slightly afraid of them, and I don't have any connection to them whatsoever. . .

Its not hating other people because they believe differently. . .that's fine. . .but when that belief starts terrorizing ex-members and non believers, that's when the problem starts. They can be ruthless.



Happy Little Hubbard Quotes

Some of Anonymous HAS been identified despite efforts to stay anonymous. These Anonymous members can speak to what kind of "fair gaming" they have been subject.

www.enturbulation.org

Go check out the forums.

HN

There's a bunch of scientologist guys I know trying to convert people. Their lectures are illogical and not too convincing. :\

Just as a matter of interest......do you know what the scientologists say about ETs.....do they
say anything about the Anunnaki or Nibiru (Planet X)....?

Here's my opinion...

I've read Dynetics... the truth of that matter is that it's mainly just classic Self-help kind of material. You know what I mean; believe in yourself, love who you are, be honest with yourself, believe that you can achieve anything, don't let negative people bring you down, yadda yadda. Pretty bland.. There's nothing in Dynetics about aliens or Xenu or anything else. (that doesn't come until MUCH later--after you've paid 100's of thousands of dollars)

In Scientology, each "level" and state is "secret" until you reach it and pay for it. Then you get to find out the next steps and the next "revealed truth". If you ask a low level Scientologist about Xenu, they will think you've lost your mind and insist that there are no aliens in Scientology--the reality is that might even be TRUE today. See, Scientologists at the top levels are not allowed to talk about what they know about those OT levels, not even to each other... can you guess why? Because their leaders love to CHANGE the doctrine periodically. Back when my friend was inside the Org, she said Xenu did exist... however, she believes that Xenu may well have been removed from the whole Scientology lore now. You know, bad press, and too many people knew the secret both inside and out. No sense paying 100K for a secret you can find and read about on YouTube and Wikipedia.

One of a long list of criteria for being classified as a "cult" is that the group will have secret doctrine that no one is suppose to know about and only when you are "dedicated" to the religion can you find out the mysterious secrets. Very dangerous stuff.

I did ask my friend how many of the upper level Scientologists did she think knew about Xenu... she said probably no more than 100 or so if that. Very Very few people reach that OT level.. they're broke and shattered before then.

BUT, in the very early stages of Scientology, people DO get hooked because in a sad way, Dynetics DOES work for some people.

Legion is a powerful demon that absorbs other demons.

I know the secretto The universe and all creation , and I will tell you For free(. Drumroll please)

Unconditional love!
It's understandable if you do not believe .

Love Omnaka

Just like the Masons then....?


Could Xenu be equated with Nibiru, do you think...?

Anonymous is very real group and for the laughs is ment as I understand laugh to see them fall not ha ha laugh see link and various others through this thread


http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/%22Anonymous%2..._Scientology%22

Nope. I don't think. L Ron was a bad science fiction writer. He made stuff up. Stuff that had NO scientific support. Nothing.

Not sure what the Masons have to do with it.

HN

No, since Xenu was made up by L. R. Hubbard, the pulp science fiction writer.

Here's the reality... it doesn't matter what Scientologists beleive and in fact, very few of them believe in aliens because so few get to a high enough level to learn about Xenu and his Galactic Warriors.

And in fact, as crazy as this sounds, Scientology in its very basic low level form may actually have some benefits... it's what hooks people in the first place... there's also a little (or a lot) of genuine brain control going on. They use mental techniques in sessions, classes and e-metering that CAN cause some minor hallucinations in some people. For example, the evaluators will talk to you in a droning voice, and insist that you look straight at them, blink as little as possible and focus all your attention on them--this can go on for HOURS in a session. What this does is induce a type of hypnosis effect... not just meditation... but hypnosis where the evaluator is actually manipulating your thinking and planting suggestions. The odd part of Scientology is that not even the evaluators know they're doing this, they're only doing what they were taught to do through Hubbards other manuals.



Perhaps like the Masons.. the difference is that the Masons don't meet enough of the OTHER criteria for being classified as a cult, so therefore, they're more of just a fringe organization, which isn't all that secret or fringe anymore.

Yep. They are real.

Much is done for the lulz. More is done because it needs to be done.

No, I don't think this is some wonderfully noble and righteous group. Have you ever been to 4chan?

They have evolved from lulz and long cats into more but still keeping much of the lulz.

HN

From what you've said it sounds as if your friend was in the 'upper level' of scientology....??




Like the Scientologists......the lower-levels of Masons wouldn't be privy to secrets......another similarity
might be what happens to members of the organisation who reach the higher levels....and after all the
oaths of secrecy.....then turn against the organisation and 'spill the beans' so to speak.

Yes, quite high up. She was an officer at Sea Org in Florida.




Which by itself isn't enough to be considered a "cult"... not even Rick Ross classifies Masons as a cult. In fact, it's actually debated among cult watchers whether Scientology is a cult. Most cult watcher groups will say Scientology is "under watch for dangerous cult-like behavior" Scientology lacks the doomsday mindset of most cults as well as a few other characteristics that define dangerous cults...

Thats interesting Thought, And it fits well with anon's Mission statement (Even if it is just a bunch of individuals with close to the same Ideals all using diferent tactics to and beliefs to end the same Means???

Love Omnaka

Huh?

Please explain.



HN

Nibaru is not a planet it is a galatic ship. Xenu is stranded on a planet unless he got picked up. The Scientololgy church was taken over like 23-25 years ago. With legion so that message was not new.

One thing that you need to assiciate is Satan. Satan was the leader of Xenu and order those spirits to dumped on Earth. The Bible talks about Satan.

Hubbard was not one of those spirits. He was one of my race of people. He as an Arcturian. He has other material that never made it out to public knowledge.