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therion24
I found this video on YouTube. I thought it was very interesting. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKt9EgENzGI
John A Spera
It is interesting.

He did not like religion, but did see the spiritual nature of the human experience.
Dragohunter
QUOTE (John A Spera @ Jun 23 2008, 07:57 PM) *
It is interesting.

He did not like religion, but did see the spiritual nature of the human experience.


??????????

Quote Albert Einstein: "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

Albert Einstein believed in God, although not a personal one.
churchanddestroy
QUOTE (Dragohunter @ Jun 23 2008, 03:14 PM) *
??????????

Quote Albert Einstein: "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

Albert Einstein believed in God, although not a personal one.

Spinoza's God.
Dragohunter
QUOTE (churchanddestroy @ Jun 23 2008, 09:40 PM) *
Spinoza's God.


I know, but it's still a contradiction to what John A Sperza said. Besides, it's the same God, just the same as Spinoza's (who's a philosopher) perspective rather than the Christian's. An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Creator.
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
QUOTE (Dragohunter @ Jun 23 2008, 07:47 PM) *
I know, but it's still a contradiction to what John A Sperza said. Besides, it's the same God, just the same as Spinoza's (who's a philosopher) perspective rather than the Christian's. An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Creator.



Actually John Spereza is right...

although Einstein has made many a quote about his religious out look on life...He was more "spiritual" then anything else....
Dragohunter
QUOTE (WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT @ Jun 24 2008, 01:47 AM) *
Actually John Spereza is right...

although Einstein has made many a quote about his religious out look on life...He was more "spiritual" then anything else....


Um ok... 0_o
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
Albert Einstein Quotes on Spirituality




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I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.

Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.

The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

The scientists' religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.

There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is the source of all true art and science.

We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.

A human being is a part of the whole, called by us Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest-a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

The man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as meaningless is not merely unfortunate but almost disqualified for life.

Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.

Only a life lived for others is a life worth while.

The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books---a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.

The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is impenetrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ... that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself among profoundly religious men.
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Hope you enjoy reading these as much as I have in revisit.
Blessings
Dragohunter
QUOTE (WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT @ Jun 25 2008, 09:13 PM) *
Albert Einstein Quotes on Spirituality




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I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.

Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.

The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

The scientists' religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.

There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is the source of all true art and science.

We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.

A human being is a part of the whole, called by us Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest-a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

The man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as meaningless is not merely unfortunate but almost disqualified for life.

Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.

Only a life lived for others is a life worth while.

The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books---a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.

The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is impenetrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ... that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself among profoundly religious men.
____________________________________________________________________

Hope you enjoy reading these as much as I have in revisit.
Blessings


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Great doing the work for me, lol jk.
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
QUOTE (Dragohunter @ Jun 25 2008, 05:25 PM) *
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Great doing the work for me, lol jk.

I dont mind... I like to share rolleyes.gif
Blessings
momentarylapseofreason
The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism.

Albert Einstein


http://myanalyses.com/einstein.html


So why not ascribe to Buddhism ?
Dragohunter
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Jun 26 2008, 12:40 AM) *
The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism.

Albert Einstein


http://myanalyses.com/einstein.html


So why not ascribe to Buddhism ?


1. Buddha's dead, what's the point of worshiping him?
2. Buddha's was born, that must mean that time before him, Buddhism was meaningless so it's not the central idea of reality
3. Buddhism says that you reincarnate into animals if you do bad things in life, there are problems with that idea.
4. Buddhism is a completely made up religion
5. I'm tired of listing reasons -_-
Lady Otterwynnd
WOW, this thread has to be the biggest case of quote-mining I've ever come across. Like, seriously, WOW. Einstein did not believe in God. That's it. There's nothing more to it. There's no "well, he said such-and-such....".

Well, has anyone read any further than Einstein's most often quoted quote? Because he has quite a bit to say about "religion" as it is commonly used and how people like to make it seem how he was using it.

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

Andddd, more quotes on religion by Einstein:

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of religion."

"I have never imputed Nature a purpose or goal, or anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."

"The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive."


We can clearly see that Einstein's "religion" is simply a metaphor for the intricate, currently incomprehensionable interworkings of the universe. He uses religious terms not in their literal meaning, but in a complex emotional, philosophical, and scientific jargon that religious people are keen to jump on in any situation. Simply put, Einstein is NOT using terms like "God", "religion", or "spirituality" in religious ways. He isn't. End of story.
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
Einstein Admits Being Religious
When asked by an astounded atheist, if he were in fact deeply religious, Einstein replied:

Yes, you can call it that. Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible concatenations, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion. To that extent I am, in point of fact, religious.

— H. G. Kessler, The Diary of a Cosmopolitan, (London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1971), p.157; quoted in Einstein and Religion by Max Jammer (Princeton University Press, 1999) pp. 39-40.



I think I forgot this one grin2.gif
Blessings
Dragohunter
QUOTE (Lady Otterwynnd @ Jun 29 2008, 09:36 PM) *
WOW, this thread has to be the biggest case of quote-mining I've ever come across. Like, seriously, WOW. Einstein did not believe in God. That's it. There's nothing more to it. There's no "well, he said such-and-such....".

Well, has anyone read any further than Einstein's most often quoted quote? Because he has quite a bit to say about "religion" as it is commonly used and how people like to make it seem how he was using it.

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

Andddd, more quotes on religion by Einstein:

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of religion."

"I have never imputed Nature a purpose or goal, or anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."

"The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive."


We can clearly see that Einstein's "religion" is simply a metaphor for the intricate, currently incomprehensionable interworkings of the universe. He uses religious terms not in their literal meaning, but in a complex emotional, philosophical, and scientific jargon that religious people are keen to jump on in any situation. Simply put, Einstein is NOT using terms like "God", "religion", or "spirituality" in religious ways. He isn't. End of story.



He did not believe in a personal God, but he did believe in God himself. There's many sources in which Einstein believed actually very strongly in him.

The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

There's even a book telling you how Einstein was Atheist and changed into a strong-believing deist.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0061335290?tag=sa...p;link_code=as3

The quotes he used stating his beliefs in Agnosticism was before he believed in God. You can't use those.
fullywired
Why is that believers so desperately want Einstein on their side ,they ignore all evidence and his own words and persist in looking for quotations that can be bent into shape to fit their ends


fullywired
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QUOTE (fullywired @ Jun 30 2008, 10:44 AM) *
Why is that believers so desperately want Einstein on their side ,they ignore all evidence and his own words and persist in looking for quotations that can be bent into shape to fit their ends


fullywired



Ummm, we're not dependent on Einstein for our beliefs. Einstein was a fallible man.

I think what people are trying to point out that he contemplated God and could understand that there was a God.
churchanddestroy
QUOTE (fullywired @ Jun 30 2008, 09:44 AM) *
Why is that believers so desperately want Einstein on their side ,they ignore all evidence and his own words and persist in looking for quotations that can be bent into shape to fit their ends


fullywired

Because Einstein makes a faith look a lot better than the fundee wackos.
fullywired
QUOTE (WalkingWithFire @ Jun 30 2008, 04:03 PM) *
Ummm, we're not dependent on Einstein for our beliefs. Einstein was a fallible man.

I think what people are trying to point out that he contemplated God and could understand that there was a God.




A classic example of what I am saying ,Your response implies that Einstein believed in your God


fullywired
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QUOTE (fullywired @ Jul 1 2008, 05:32 AM) *
A classic example of what I am saying ,Your response implies that Einstein believed in your God


fullywired


No it doesn't.
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
QUOTE (fullywired @ Jul 1 2008, 05:32 AM) *
A classic example of what I am saying ,Your response implies that Einstein believed in your God


fullywired

He did not have a personal God, however he beleived that there was "something" higher.... He saw iit in science, in Nature etc... and it was moving.... spiritually.

It wasnt my God, his or yours, or anyone elses for that matter.... Just was.....
fullywired
QUOTE (WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT @ Jul 1 2008, 10:22 PM) *
He did not have a personal God, however he beleived that there was "something" higher.... He saw iit in science, in Nature etc... and it was moving.... spiritually.

It wasnt my God, his or yours, or anyone elses for that matter.... Just was.....





Einstein’s latest words offer scant comfort to the traditionally faithful.

In the letter, according to the A.P. account, he wrote that “the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.”

As for his fellow Jews, he said that Judaism, like all other religions, was “an incarnation of the most childish superstitions.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/science/...steinw.html?8br
churchanddestroy
QUOTE (WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT @ Jul 1 2008, 04:22 PM) *
He did not have a personal God, however he beleived that there was "something" higher.... He saw iit in science, in Nature etc... and it was moving.... spiritually.

It wasnt my God, his or yours, or anyone elses for that matter.... Just was.....

There are people out there who maybe need to take a step back and consider that you cannot confine a being that is supposedly infinite in its complexity and qualities into a dusty old book.
Omnaka
QUOTE (churchanddestroy @ Jul 4 2008, 01:10 AM) *
There are people out there who maybe need to take a step back and consider that you cannot confine a being that is supposedly infinite in its complexity and qualities into a dusty old book.

Well said Brother, The book was only a beginners guide , in the infancy of this world. God did not die or stop inspiring other books after the bible was written , Edited and Published , Depending on which bible one believes, interprets and lives.

Love Omnaka
John A Spera
QUOTE (Omnaka @ Jul 3 2008, 08:21 PM) *
Well said Brother, The book was only a beginners guide , in the infancy of this world. God did not die or stop inspiring other books after the bible was written , Edited and Published , Depending on which bible one believes, interprets and lives.

Love Omnaka


Now that is a really refreshing insight. With a little more humility, we could apply that concept to currently known scientific findings as well.

Could that actually be what Einstein was trying to spell out for us in the first place.

WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
QUOTE (churchanddestroy @ Jul 3 2008, 08:10 PM) *
There are people out there who maybe need to take a step back and consider that you cannot confine a being that is supposedly infinite in its complexity and qualities into a dusty old book.

I agree... I forget who has the signature line on their Avaotr and screen name of God being too big to fit into a box.....

that can be applied here too.

Blessings guys
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
QUOTE (Omnaka @ Jul 3 2008, 08:21 PM) *
Well said Brother, The book was only a beginners guide , in the infancy of this world. God did not die or stop inspiring other books after the bible was written , Edited and Published , Depending on which bible one believes, interprets and lives.

Love Omnaka

Omnaka,
what books do Father suggest as good reading giving us the most sincere insight and inspiration?

I figured Id ask you and get it from your direct source....
Thanks honey,,,
Blessings and light

stargazer123
QUOTE (therion24 @ Jun 22 2008, 10:36 PM) *
I found this video on YouTube. I thought it was very interesting. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKt9EgENzGI



"A human being is part of a whole, called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself his thoughts and feeling as something seperated from the rest....a kind of optical illusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and for affection to few persons nearest to us. Our tasks must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." ~Albert Einstein

I just love Einstein. He was brilliant soul.
Elite
and ive always thought einstein was an atheist or atleast an agnostic
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