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crystal sage
Was just perusing the site on ancient atomic knowledge.. http://s8int.com/atomic1.html

Libyan desert glass created by???
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http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=63

(Photo:Olive green Trinitite formed in New Mexico as a result of atomic testing in 1945) and whilst mulling over these pictures.. and the mention of silica... I seem to remember photos of Mars that had similar silica stones... I find it quite interesting.. don't you?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/704821045/
http://www.astronet.ru/db/xware/msg/apod/2004-01-16
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http://space.newscientist.com/channel/spac...rs-rovers_rss20

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wink2.gif Hmmm ! any thoughts???
Agent. Mulder
atomic weapons and war wiped out a species on mars? could this happen to us? if thats what the articles are talking about.
...i dunno. im on here kinda late. my imagination is running wild. brains probably not thinking straight
Moredhel84
Possibly caused by a terrestrial impact by a meteoroid or asteroid etc?
questionmark
QUOTE (wikipedia)
The chemical compound silicon dioxide, also known as silica or silox (from the Latin "silex"), is an oxide of silicon, chemical formula SiO2, and has been known for its hardness since the 9th century[1]. Silica is most commonly found in nature as sand or quartz, as well as in the cell walls of diatoms. It is a principal component of most types of glass and substances such as concrete.


as for abundance in this solar system, see the attached graph:

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so where does this lead to an atomic explosion?

Harte
QUOTE (questionmark @ Jun 24 2008, 11:17 AM) *
...so where does this lead to an atomic explosion?


On Google, on s8int.com, on Childress' website and on crystal sage's cerebral cortex.

Harte
Akadra
They have confirmed that Mars had been hit by a freak sunflare millions and maybe billions (I don't remember how much) of years ago, wiping (most?) of the life off of Mars and leaving the surface viporated, dry and airless, as the ozonelayers had been destroyed by the extreme heat aswell.
questionmark
QUOTE (Akadra @ Jun 24 2008, 10:06 PM) *
They have confirmed that Mars had been hit by a freak sunflare millions and maybe billions (I don't remember how much) of years ago, wiping (most?) of the life off of Mars and leaving the surface viporated, dry and airless, as the ozonelayers had been destroyed by the extreme heat aswell.


right... and you have a link so we can read up on it?

crystal sage
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http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publis...icle_1132.shtml

Many researchers have written of the possibility that life on this
planet began with "ancient astronauts" from other stars or other
galaxies who colonized this planet untold thousands of years ago.


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http://www.netscientia.com/chinese_hindu.html

In India, it was and still is believed that man descended from gods who flew fiery crafts. Early Chinese texts tell of long-lived rulers from the heavens who flew in "fire-breathing dragons". In Tibet there is a book called the Kantyua, which means "the translated word of Buddha". It tells of flying "pearls in the sky" and of transparent spheres carrying gods to visit man. Here to, the belief is of being reborn time and time again and not just to earth. The Royal Pedigrees of Tibetan Kings dates back to the seventh century. It states that the first seven Tibetan kings came from the stars, and goes on to say that they eventually returned to the stars.

It is important to note three ancient Hindu text scriptures, the Bhagavata-Purana, Mahabharata and Ramayana Scriptures. These scriptures date back to at least 3000 B.C. and are among some of the oldest writings currently known to man. They speak extensively about flying machines called Vimanas that flew not only the skies, but to the stars as well. India's Vedic writings speak of gods, (they called Devas) from other star systems. They tell of how the human soul is nonphysical and how our sentient energy goes through a succession of physical bodies, as only the physical body dies.

Kirshna - In the Bhagavatam and all Vedic literatures, there are many descriptions of vimanas, aircrafts.

The Bhagavatam describes spaceships of different categories. One category is gross mechanical spaceships called ka-pota-vayu. Ka means 'outer space,' and pota means 'ship.' These kind of spaceships are known on our planet. The second category of spaceships are very subtle. They are called akasa-patana. The akasa-patana spaceships can fly at the speed of mind. In the verse (4.12.27) of the Bhagavatam a transcendental spaceship is described. The general mass of people can neither see such crafts nor understand how they fly in the sky.

On different planets, there are different kinds of spaceships. On this gross planet earth, there are spaceships run by mechanical means, but on other planets, the spaceships are run by sound vibrations not by mechanical means. They are used by the denizens of the heavenly planets for enjoyment, such as traveling from one planet to another.

On other planets, such as the Siddhalokas, the denizens can travel from one planet to another without spaceships. The inhabitants of these planets are materially perfect beings who have full capacities to control gravity, space and time. They are naturally endowed with mystic powers to go from one planet to another without using any spaceships.

On the Satyaloka planetary system, the spacecrafts are controlled by psychic power not by gross mechanical means. The higher-dimensional sphere of the upper planetary systems is the natural field of flying spaceships of this type.



There is the above... but I am thinking more in the lines of ancient biblical tales of Lucifer... the wars in the heavens...and Lucifer and his followers falling.. to earth.

Ancient legends referring to Mars as being the planet of War...

Those photos of the Martian landscape so look like the remnants of the nuclear blasts of New Mexico.. the stones look identical.. the chemical composition???

Could we be the refugees from an ancient nuclear war on Mars?... note how quickly we came..( as loosely quoted by the above site) from 'horse and buggy to space colonization...'

Once we were technical enough to discover nuclear energy it didn't take long... That even the great mind Steve Hawkins fears for our safety on Earth ( nuclear... chemical.. polluting..gene manipulation.. dangers to mankind) and encourages the emigration to other planets in order for Mankind to continue...


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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15970232/

LONDON - Humans must colonize planets in other solar systems — traveling there using "Star Trek"-style propulsion — or face extinction, renowned British cosmologist Stephen Hawking said Thursday.
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QUOTE (crystal sage @ Jun 25 2008, 02:52 AM) *
There is the above... but I am thinking more in the lines of ancient biblical tales of Lucifer... the wars in the heavens...and Lucifer and his followers falling.. to earth.

Those photos of the Martian landscape so look like the remnants of the nuclear blasts of New Mexico.. the stones look identical.. the chemical composition???

Could we be the refugees from an ancient nuclear war on Mars?... note how quickly we came..( as quoted by the above site) from buggy to space colonization...

One we were technical enough to discover nuclear energy... That even the great mind Steve Hawkins fears for our safety on Earth ( nuclear... chemical.. polluting..gene manipulation.. dangers to mankind) and encourages the emigration to other planets in order for Mankind to continue...


Ok, now lets get back to square 1: The chemical composition of most solid planets is amazingly the same ... as far as the "rocks" are concerned. That means that silica is the 6th most abundant element and the 3d most abundant solid... so it would be no surprise to find it anywhere.

It melts at 1410 °C (Source), which means that any volcanic activity, meteor impact could have melted it. In fact, a good going grill fire could cause silica to melt.

The fact that some melted silica has been found anywhere is just an indication that there was heat present...and there are many more sources of heat than atomic explosions.

For your question re. dessert glass... any of the above mentioned could have created it, the most likely a meteor impact.

Now, if you come with a piece of dessert glass that glows in the dark...
crystal sage
QUOTE (questionmark @ Jun , 10:06 AM)
Ok, now lets get back to square 1: The chemical composition of most solid planets is amazingly the same ... as far as the "rocks" are concerned. That means that silica is the 6th most abundant element and the 3d most abundant solid... so it would be no surprise to find it anywhere.

It melts at 1410 °C (Source), which means that any volcanic activity, meteor impact could have melted it. In fact, a good going grill fire could cause silica to melt.

The fact that some melted silica has been found anywhere is just an indication that there was heat present...and there are many more sources of heat than atomic explosions.

For your question re. dessert glass... any of the above mentioned could have created it, the most likely a meteor impact.

Now, if you come with a piece of dessert glass that glows in the dark...

does the New Mexican glass made from the nuclear blast glow in the dark???

how many years does this glow last for???

How long does the toxicity of nuclear fall out last???

Note it didn't take them too long to rebuild Japan... it wasn't abandoned for thousand years.. wink2.gif ..

Also I have cousins in Europe who mentioned that after the chernobyl accident and the resultant toxic cloud that contaminated much of Europe http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/news/200...st/16080701.asp ... as well as there being many resultant mutant plants .. ( that they were instructed to burn) and the farmstock miscarrying... there were huge mushrooms growing in the fields for years.. http://aem.asm.org/cgi/reprint/59/1/134.pdf

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Finnish_...rnobyl_999.html

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http://unitedcats.wordpress.com/2007/05/29...rnobyl-reactor/

here has been an exciting new biological discovery inside the tomb of the Chernobyl reactor. Like out of some B-grade sci fi movie, a robot sent into the reactor discovered a thick coat of black slime growing on the walls. Since it is highly radioactive in there, scientists didn’t expect to find anything living, let alone thriving. The robot was instructed to obtain samples of the slime, which it did, and upon examination…the slime was even more amazing than was thought at first glance.

This slime, a collection of several fungi actually, was more than just surviving in a radioactive environment, it was actually using gamma radiation as a food source. Samples of these fungi grew significantly faster when exposed to gamma radiation at 500 times the normal background radiation level. The fungi appear to use melanin, a chemical found in human skin as well, in the same fashion as plants use chlorophyll. That is to say, the melanin molecule gets struck by a gamma ray and its chemistry is altered. This is an amazing discovery, no one had even suspected that something like this was possible.

Aside from its novelty value, this discovery leads to some interesting speculation and potential research. Humans have melanin molecules in their skin cells, does this mean that humans are getting some of their energy from radiation? This also implies there could be organisms living in space where ionizing radiation is plentiful. I’ve always been a big panspermia proponent, the idea that life did not originate on Earth but is actually common in the cosmos. Organisms that can live in space certainly gives more credence to this idea.

Possibly this could also be used to create plants or mushrooms that could grow in space, serving as a food source for space travellers. Maybe these fungi could be modified and used somehow to clean up radiation contaminated environments. There’s quite a few of those, in fact the disposal of radioactive waste is still a huge and unsolved problem. Now the fungi couldn’t actually eat the radioactive isotopes, I’m not saying that, but if they can live in radioactive environments they might be used to somehow scour out or concentrate the radioactive isotopes in such a way as to facilitate their clean up.


I wonder if they were Nature's way of
Bioremediating the soils???
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QUOTE (crystal sage @ Jun 25 2008, 03:38 AM) *
does the New Mexican glass made from the nuclear blast glow in the dark???

how many years does this glow last for???

How long does the toxicity of nuclear fall out last???

Note it didn't take them too long to rebuild Japan... it wasn't abandoned for thousand years.. wink2.gif ..

Also I have cousins in Europe who mentioned that after the chernobyl accident and the resultant toxic cloud that contaminated much of Europe http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/news/200...st/16080701.asp ... as well as there being many resultant mutant plants .. ( that they were instructed to burn) and the farmstock miscarrying... there were huge mushrooms growing in the fields for years.. http://aem.asm.org/cgi/reprint/59/1/134.pdf

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Finnish_...rnobyl_999.html



I wonder if they were Nature's way of
Bioremediating the soils???


So all silica crystal iwas made by atomic blasts? better check your windows for radioactivity... and your computer too...you know those so called silicon chips!
Teej
QUOTE (crystal sage @ Jun 24 2008, 07:52 PM) *
Ancient legends referring to Mars as being the planet of War...


Is there a source for this? Or are you just referencing the fact that it's named after the Roman God of war, due to its reddish appearance? Seems like shaky evidence to say that because it's named after Mars then there must have been a nuclear war there.
Leonardo
CS,

Do you have any academic studies or actual press releases about this organism that is reported to have been discovered inside the irradiated reactor casing? All I can find is a few links on blog sites and internet forums. The lack of actual reporting leads to view this as possibly an internet myth.
Elite
QUOTE (Agent. Mulder @ Jun 24 2008, 06:20 AM) *
atomic weapons and war wiped out a species on mars? could this happen to us? if thats what the articles are talking about.
...i dunno. im on here kinda late. my imagination is running wild. brains probably not thinking straight

this would explain why its all deserts and hurricanes nowadays but its probably more likely it was an asteroid or meotorite
crystal sage
QUOTE (Leonardo @ Jun 26 2008, 05:16 AM) *
CS,

Do you have any academic studies or actual press releases about this organism that is reported to have been discovered inside the irradiated reactor casing? All I can find is a few links on blog sites and internet forums. The lack of actual reporting leads to view this as possibly an internet myth.


I did a thread on it a while ago...

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=96109


http://www.nonukes.org/r09bior.htm

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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread98728/pg1

I'm posting the following article that was sent to me by email and apparently published online November 16, because it has now disappeared from the Net. In it's place is an extremely censored short version called, "Odd bacteria could be valuable tool in cleaning up hazardous waste"
www.news-leader.com...





Scientists Seek Indestructible Bugs To Eat Nuclear Waste
Scientists Envision New Role For Sturdy Bacteria Breed; Creating 'Super Conan'

SAVANNAH RIVER SITE, S.C. (Nov. 16) - Eight years ago, scientists using a metal rod here to probe the radioactive depths of a nuclear-waste tank saw something that shocked them: a slimy, transparent substance growing on the end of the rod.
They took the specimen into a concrete-lined vault where technicians peered through a 3-foot-thick window and, using robot arms, smeared a bit of the specimen into a petri dish. Inside the dish they later found a colony of strange orange bacteria swimming around. The bacteria had adapted to 15 times the dose of radiation that it takes to kill a human being. They lived in what one scientific paper calls a "witches' brew" of toxic chemicals.

It was a step forward for the U.S. Department of Energy, which has been looking for a few good bugs -- in particular, members of an emerging family of microbes that scientists call "extremophiles." These microbes can survive in some of Earth's most inhospitable environments, withstanding enormous doses of radiation, thriving at temperatures above boiling, and mingling with toxic chemicals that would kill almost anything else.
That makes them a potentially valuable tool in the Energy Department's effort to clean up vast amounts of nuclear waste, including the Savannah River Site near Augusta, Ga., and the Hanford Site near Richland, Wash. The department says it could cost as much as $260 billion to clean up its messes with conventional methods, which rely heavily on chemical treatment and robots. Using extremophiles could slash that bill.
Extremophiles eliminate toxins by ingesting them and breaking them down into relatively harmless components. The microbes also can reduce the hazard of radioactive wastes by changing them into insoluble forms that are much less likely to leak into aquifers and streams. Outgoing Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham predicted this year that "in the not-too-distant future," extremophiles will be cleaning up nuclear waste and munching the pollutants of coal-fired power plants, including carbon dioxide, one of the causes of global warming. The National Aeronautics and Space Administration thinks if it can understand the mechanism that the bugs use to survive radiation, it might be able to use it to protect space crews against radiation on long voyages. The National Institutes of Health hopes the microbes' peculiar powers might help cancer patients survive more-intensive radiation therapy.
So far, scientists say that the extremophiles they have found in nature aren't harmful to humans. Laboratory-engineered modifications of these bugs, however, are likely to cause some controversy because no one knows what their long-term effects might be.
The berry-shaped bug discovered at the Savannah River Site was christened Kineococcus radiotolerans. Scientists have probed 95% of its genetic structure. They know what it does and what it eats -- it loves malt sugar -- but after 50 years of studying these sorts of bugs, they have no idea how they survive. Radiation shatters the genetic structures of living things, but extremophiles snap themselves back together in a matter of hours.
Christopher Bagwell, a microbiologist here, says Kineococcus has shown the ability to break down herbicides, industrial solvents, chlorinated compounds and other toxics, all while growing in a radioactive environment that shrivels other living things and turns glass brown.
Scientists know of at least a dozen extremophiles. The first was discovered in 1956 in Corvallis, Ore. Scientists were zapping cans of horse meat with high radiation, trying to establish the preservative value of food irradiation. One can developed an ominous bulge. Inside, the scientists isolated pink bacteria they had never seen before.
They gave it the scientific name Deinococcus radiodurans. But researchers were so amazed by the bug's resilience that some years later, they nicknamed it "Conan the Bacterium," spawning a folklore and debate among scientists that continues today. Because the microbes endure radiation at levels higher than any natural source, some scientists have argued that they must have ridden in on comets. Others speculate that they were the Earth's first residents after the planet was born in a radioactive explosion.


http://www.astrobiology.com/extreme.html

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http://encarta.msn.com/text_701880474__1/Extremophile.html


. Biology of Extremophiles

Many extremophile microbes are autotrophs that synthesize organic (carbon-containing) compounds to make their own food. Organisms that use chemicals such as hydrogen sulfide (H2S) as an energy source (chemosynthesis) are called chemoautotrophs; organisms that use light (photosynthesis) as an energy source are called photoautotrophs. A few extremophiles are known to get energy from radioactivity.

Other organisms in turn may eat the self-sufficient extremophiles or feed off their waste or other byproducts. Extremophile microbes can become the basis of a food chain, a biological community, or an entire ecosystem, such as marine life around deep-sea hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor. The animals that live in the same environment as the microbes are sometimes called extremophiles, as well. Certain types of deep-sea tube worms and clams have a symbiotic relationship with extremophile microbes and obtain their food from chemoautotrophic extremophiles attached to their body tissues.









crystal sage
QUOTE (questionmark @ Jun 26 2008, 02:35 AM) *
So all silica crystal iwas made by atomic blasts? better check your windows for radioactivity... and your computer too...you know those so called silicon chips!


blink.gif wacko.gif The nuclear site in New Mexico has become a 'Theme Park" !!!!!!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jwoodphoto/527875333/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rosewater/318173993/
This green mineral called Trinitite was made in the heat of Trinity's detonation. You cannot find it anywhere on the Earth but here. And it's prohibited to take any of them outside the area.
Trinity Test Site - Open House on 4/1/06.
.. wink2.gif except Mars!!!!


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http://www.vivanewmexico.com/nm/sw.trinity.htmlWhat You'll See
After parking, you weave your way through an area of vendor and informational booths. After getting through the booths you will arrive at edge of a fenced area. Trinity Site is surrounded by a tall, circularly, chain-link and barbed-wire fence. You will enter through a large gate and follow a fenced roadway to ground zero. The walk is not too far, and booths will be set up along the way with information on radioactivity, historical information and the like. This helps break up the walk which is less than half a mile. After this short walk you enter an inner fenced area surrounding ground zero.

The Trinity Test involved detonating a fission device on top of a tall steel tower. Most of the tower was vaporized by the explosion, but visitors can still see the stumps of the tower legs in the ground at Trinity Site. At the center where the tower once stood is an small stone obelisk marking the site. Around the perimeter of the inner fence there will be historical photographs and information hung on cardboard plaques.

As you walk around, keep your eyes open for blue-green pebbles underfoot: this rock is known as Trinitite . Trinitite was formed when the heat pulse from the explosion fused the desert sand into glass. Trinitite is found nowhere else on earth. You are not allowed to take trinitite from the site, and even if you could you wouldn't want to: it is still "mildly radioactive". There is a small glassed box a short distance from ground zero inside the inner fenced area. This box encloses a small area of earth that was preserved in it's post-test condition. In this box you will see a good amount of Trinitite. The rest of the area you have been walking on has been plowed over and under in an attempt to clean up radioactivity.


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http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/cold_war/86371/3

http://www.minresco.com/trinitite/trin2.htm








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QUOTE (crystal sage @ Jun 26 2008, 03:18 AM) *
This green mineral called Trinitite was made in the heat of Trinity's detonation. You cannot find it anywhere on the Earth but here. And it's prohibited to take any of them outside the area.
Trinity Test Site - Open House on 4/1/06.
.. wink2.gif except Mars!!!!


So it is radioactive....

but this should interest you:

QUOTE (wikipedia)
There are many known fakes in circulation among collectors. These fakes use a variety of means to achieve the glassy green silica look as well as mild radioactivity.
crystal sage
QUOTE (Teej @ Jun 26 2008, 05:10 AM) *
Is there a source for this? Or are you just referencing the fact that it's named after the Roman God of war, due to its reddish appearance? Seems like shaky evidence to say that because it's named after Mars then there must have been a nuclear war there.

I read about some of these ancient legends... years ago.Worldwide phenomenon.


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_ali...en_warearth.htm




http://www.aeonjournal.com/mars.htm

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http://www.nasca.org.uk/Ancient_Nuc__War/a...t_nuc__war.html
The Titans and Olympians.

In a nutshell occultists believe that the planets Venus, Mars and the Moon were once inhabited by advanced societies who fought out a planetary war on a scale outlined in mythology as the clash between the Titans and Olympians! The result was a Solar System in chaos - the destruction of a planet - and the orbital change of Venus to a position considerably closer to the sun! In the break-up vast debris such as seen on Mars would have been thrown out in all directions. Worldwide phenomenon.



The Martian and Lunar atmospheres, together with their rivers and whatever life on them would quite literally have been flung into space rendering the planets forever uninhabitable


Worldwide phenomenon.

This baffling enigma of vitrified ruins is to be found all across the world. No more so than North America where the strange remains of vitrified rocks and dwelling places defy logical explanation. In South America the Brazilian ruins of Sete Ciddaes are enormously revealing. Author Noorbergen writes of "ruins melted by apocalyptic energies..."! Elsewhere, in Mesopotamia sizeable ziggurats - a form of early pyramid - have been found melted to their base in a vitrified mass!

In the Arabian desert blackened stones litter the sands over a wide area, showing signs of having been subjected to intense radiation. In Israel the location of the Dead Sea and it's mysterious connection with Sodom and Gomorrah bears evidence of an amazing focus of heat that is thought to have gouged out the entire area in a massive explosion. Vitrified rock created under intense pressure is a frequent discovery, and in 1952 archaeologists discovered a vitrified area of sand that stretched out over hundreds of square feet! Apparently deposits like this are similar to those left behind at the White Sands atomic testing site in America!




then there is all the ancient and ..biblical tales of wars fought in the heavens and their extradition to Earth... ancient mentions of the people of Venus... Earth's sister planet...

reputed where Jesus ,or those who helped him along on his journey sprang from..
crystal sage
QUOTE (questionmark @ Jun 26 2008, 10:23 AM) *
So it is radioactive....

but this should interest you:
I gather that some of those sold on the internet could be fakes... especially as it is forbidden to remove any of the
Trinitite from the site..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinitite
Teej
So a big portion of your evidence is based on the legends of people who were unable to explain natural occurences and thus created myths and stories to try and explain them? So earthquakes are really just Vulcan pounding away on his anvil under the earth?

I understand what you're trying to get at, that their stories were attempts to explain the "interplanetary war" or whatever, but I don't think I can make the jump from them using the legends to explain ordinary occurrences on earth to them using the same legends to explain the destruction of planets, without at least a few scribes or something writing down a factual description of what's happening. When Pompeii was destroyed by a vulcano (a pretty momentous occassion), people such as Pliny the Younger still wrote about the actual event without attributing it to something supernatural.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." First you would have to find an account with a little more direct of a description of what you're arguing.
crystal sage
QUOTE (Teej @ Jun , 04:13 PM)
So a big portion of your evidence is based on the legends of people who were unable to explain natural occurences and thus created myths and stories to try and explain them? So earthquakes are really just Vulcan pounding away on his anvil under the earth?

I understand what you're trying to get at, that their stories were attempts to explain the "interplanetary war" or whatever, but I don't think I can make the jump from them using the legends to explain ordinary occurrences on earth to them using the same legends to explain the destruction of planets, without at least a few scribes or something writing down a factual description of what's happening. When Pompeii was destroyed by a vulcano (a pretty momentous occassion), people such as Pliny the Younger still wrote about the actual event without attributing it to something supernatural.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." First you would have to find an account with a little more direct of a description of what you're arguing.


Well you certainly aren't going to find writings of these events dating back from????
but there would have been historical records
told in other forms.. if you research the history of story tellers... Bards ... you'll find that a great deal of trouble was made to ensure that those chosen to keep the tradition of reciting ancient tales had great memories and were true to the original story... I know there is the case of "Chinese Whispers" were stories slowly morph at the retelling.. but if you look at the discoveries such as the Mari tablets from Syria... the Nag Hamidi documents

http://www.geocities.com/encyclopedia_dama...tsyria/mari.htm

http://www.nag-hammadi.com/manuscripts.html

seem to support some of these tales... legends...

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/quran5.htm

http://www.lightstreamers.com/saddam.pdf

http://haram.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/name...e-ebla-tablets/
Emma_Acid
QUOTE (crystal sage @ Jun 25 2008, 12:52 AM) *
Those photos of the Martian landscape so look like the remnants of the nuclear blasts of New Mexico.. the stones look identical.. the chemical composition???


So by your reasoning, because from a distance Earth and Venus "look the same" we could happily go and live on Venus?

What on earth makes you think that because something looks similar to something else, they could have been caused by the same events, not matter how eye-wateringly unlikely that could have been????

You might say I'm being overly caustic about this, but this is so typical of this board - Mars is amazing enough without inventing some ridiculous Mad Max-style story to go with it. Celebrate Mars's real mysteries.

QUOTE (crystal sage @ Jun 25 2008, 01:38 AM) *
Note it didn't take them too long to rebuild Japan...


"Rebuild Japan"? Obviously no historian either.

QUOTE (Elite @ Jun 26 2008, 12:31 AM) *
this would explain why its all deserts and hurricanes nowadays but its probably more likely it was an asteroid or meotorite


Neither would result in what we see today in the Martain atmosphere. Mars lost its magnetic protection 4 billion years ago, and since then solar winds have stripped away the atmosphere, boiling away any water there was on the surface.

Given the timescales we're talking about here, you realise how much cobblers this "ancient life on Mars" idea actually is. Human-type life couldn't have survived without a magnetosphere, and ity sounds even more ridiculous when you realise that the last time there was liquid water on Mars was only 3.5 billion years ago. Life like us simply couldn't have evolved.

Ref.
The Puzzler
I think one of the most interesting things about Libyan Desert Glass is it is found in South Australia too which is on the other side of the globe. Does this mean that the event that caused the glass was either global or happened more than once in more than one area? There is still no absolute explanation for it.

(Wiki Libyan Desert Glass)
Desert glass, Libyan desert glass (LDG), Edeowie glass, or great sand sea glass is a substance found in areas in the Libyan Desert, as well as in deserts in Africa and South Australia. Fragments of desert glass can be found over large areas, up to tens of kilometers.

Geologic origin
The origin of the glass is a controversial issue for the scientific community, with many evolving theories. Meteoric origins for the glass were long suspected, but recent research linked the glass to impact mechanics, such as vaporized quartz and meteoric metals, and to an impact crater. Some geologists associate the glass not with impact melt ejecta, but with radiative melting from meteoric large aerial bursts. If that were the case, the glass would be analogous to trinitite, which is created from sand exposed to the thermal radiation of a fireball.
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE (Emma_Acid_88 @ Jun 26 2008, 08:55 AM) *
So by your reasoning, because from a distance Earth and Venus "look the same" we could happily go and live on Venus?

What on earth makes you think that because something looks similar to something else, they could have been caused by the same events, not matter how eye-wateringly unlikely that could have been????

You might say I'm being overly caustic about this, but this is so typical of this board - Mars is amazing enough without inventing some ridiculous Mad Max-style story to go with it. Celebrate Mars's real mysteries.



"Rebuild Japan"? Obviously no historian either.



Neither would result in what we see today in the Martain atmosphere. Mars lost its magnetic protection 4 billion years ago, and since then solar winds have stripped away the atmosphere, boiling away any water there was on the surface.

Given the timescales we're talking about here, you realise how much cobblers this "ancient life on Mars" idea actually is. Human-type life couldn't have survived without a magnetosphere, and ity sounds even more ridiculous when you realise that the last time there was liquid water on Mars was only 3.5 billion years ago. Life like us simply couldn't have evolved.

Ref.



ditto.
Teej
QUOTE (crystal sage @ Jun 26 2008, 02:54 AM) *
Well you certainly aren't going to find writings of these events dating back from????
but there would have been historical records
told in other forms.. if you research the history of story tellers... Bards ... you'll find that a great deal of trouble was made to ensure that those chosen to keep the tradition of reciting ancient tales had great memories and were true to the original story... I know there is the case of "Chinese Whispers" were stories slowly morph at the retelling.. but if you look at the discoveries such as the Mari tablets from Syria... the Nag Hamidi documents

http://www.geocities.com/encyclopedia_dama...tsyria/mari.htm

http://www.nag-hammadi.com/manuscripts.html

seem to support some of these tales... legends...

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/quran5.htm

http://www.lightstreamers.com/saddam.pdf

http://haram.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/name...e-ebla-tablets/


I think I'm starting to understand what your argument is a little better, but I'm still rather unclear. So you're arguing that these refugees from an interplanetary war had the technology to travel from planet to planet as well as the technology to destroy their home worlds, but they didn't know how to write their own history down, nor how to teach a writing system to the indigenous peoples already on earth so that maybe they could record the events? That these aliens only thought to orally pass down their history?
crystal sage
QUOTE (Emma_Acid_88 @ Jun , 06:55 PM)
So by your reasoning, because from a distance Earth and Venus "look the same" we could happily go and live on Venus?

There are some stories about Venus being knocked out of orbit... Venus is known as earth's ' Sister Planet'
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap950815.html
Explanation: This picture in visible light was taken by the Galileo spacecraft. Venus is very similar to Earth in size and mass - and so is sometimes referred to as Earth's sister planet - but Venus has a quite different climate. Venus' thick clouds and closeness to the Sun (only Mercury is closer) make it the hottest planet - much hotter than the Earth. Humans could not survive there, and no life of any sort has ever been found. When Venus is visible it is usually the brightest object in the sky after the Sun and the Moon. More than 20 spacecraft have visited Venus including Venera 9, which landed on the surface, and Magellan, which used radar to peer through the clouds and make a map of the surface. There are still many things about Venus's unusual atmosphere that astronomers don't understand. and Gnostically wink2.gif http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/HistoryOfAPlanet.htm
http://logos_endless_summer.tripod.com/id33.html

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What on earth makes you think that because something looks similar to something else, they could have been caused by the same events, not matter how eye-wateringly unlikely that could have been????

You might say I'm being overly caustic about this, but this is so typical of this board - Mars is amazing enough without inventing some ridiculous Mad Max-style story to go with it. Celebrate Mars's real mysteries.


"Rebuild Japan"? Obviously no historian either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_To...in_World_War_II

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Neither would result in what we see today in the Martain atmosphere. Mars lost its magnetic protection 4 billion years ago, and since then solar winds have stripped away the atmosphere, boiling away any water there was on the surface.

Given the timescales we're talking about here, you realise how much cobblers this "ancient life on Mars" idea actually is. Human-type life couldn't have survived without a magnetosphere, and ity sounds even more ridiculous when you realise that the last time there was liquid water on Mars was only 3.5 billion years ago. Life like us simply couldn't have evolved.


Ref.



Liquid water on Mars.... cool.gif

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http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast22jun_2.htm
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In what could turn out to be a landmark discovery in the history of Mars exploration, imaging scientists using data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft have recently observed features that suggest there may be current sources of liquid water at or near the surface of the red planet.



http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/new...s-20061206.html

NASA Images Suggest Water Still Flows in Brief Spurts on Mars

About atmosphere on Mars... there is already much evidence of cloud formation on Mars... That scientist feel the idea of terraforming Mars and creating a livable atmosphere is quite doable...

http://www.geocities.com/marsterraforming/terraforming.html

http://quest.nasa.gov/mars/background/terra.html


The barren wastelands of Mars.. could be what we could look forward to if we continue with those Monsanto's Terminator seeds

http://www.ethicalinvesting.com/monsanto/terminator.shtml
... and building all these unsafe Nuclear power plants..and military weapons.
http://library.thinkquest.org/3471/nuclear_waste_body.html

if you bother to look .. nuclear power plants and waste storage centers are leaking all over the world..causing untold damage to all.


wacko.gif no.gif . they are currently thinking of getting rid of nuclear waste by dumping them in live volcanoes!!!


http://www.bellona.org/english_import_area...e_imports/23563
crystal sage
QUOTE (Teej @ Jun , 02:58 AM)
I think I'm starting to understand what your argument is a little better, but I'm still rather unclear. So you're arguing that these refugees from an interplanetary war had the technology to travel from planet to planet as well as the technology to destroy their home worlds, but they didn't know how to write their own history down, nor how to teach a writing system to the indigenous peoples already on earth so that maybe they could record the events? That these aliens only thought to orally pass down their history?


Well how long would a book physically last? or many of the films ..videos. we have today last? a few hundred years??? a thousand?

Unless we carved our history in stone.. or stored them really well..and assuming no collector in the future discovers them and stores them incorrectly... or that the building doesn't get destroyed thru some natural ( fire.,floods,earthquakes) in or lost by theft .. or destroyed by war.. or religous political purging... What will be left of us... our history, several thousands of years from now? We will probably only be remembered as tales of what once was, passed down as answers/explanations to enquiring minds as to what certain landforms.. surviving objects.. represented...mentions in some ancient records..that are periodically updated with new impressions of perceptions of what life was like in those ancient days.

Note how many libraries.. artifacts were destroyed over the centuries during wars... witch hunts...religious/political mania..note the book burnings..destruction of relics in the last century... how ignorant people destroy clever gadgets.. amazing artifacts of the past that they have forgotten how to duplicate .,.. or even know what they were for... they fear what don't understand.. calling it evil.. devil's work...

I am surprised much has survived at all!!!


Look at some of those impressive buildings that 'man' has build throughout history... that we ..as a 'superior' technological civilization can't .. or have great difficulty trying to duplicate... going with the easy explanation eg for the pyramids.. that it was pure monotonous man power over decades to complete.. that if we accept that... and as one member here mathematically calculated , that the placing of all the stones, was it 1 minute per stone? to complete the pyramid in the said amount of time?..

We couldn't match that speed today, assuming that we could make.. carve the stones , in the said time frame.. if we could find enough talented craftsmen to do the job!!!



Note how many times we have pulled down old buildings and rebuilt... often with inferior materials and design.. just to have a modern building.. or just renovated... we recycle a lot.. change the products.. adapt...most of our whitegoods barely last a decade..then get recycled... techical gadgets like phones get superseded every 6 to 12 months!!!

A mobile phone from 5 years ago is seen as antique!

How will an ipod survive a thousand years... will it still work? would we have the technical support systems to allow it work?

will people still bother keeping it safely as a memento of some long forgotten time if it didn't work? would an old written document.. surviving user manual for the ipod be seen as worth keeping if there was no way to down load information...or restore the battery... would they have to recreate the technology of the time to make it work?.. could they? would they?



Lots of things to consider...

cormac mac airt
I don't know what the OP's original timeline is for Mars, but might this be an answer for "chunks of silica", etc.

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According to the researchers, an asteroid or comet whacked a young Mars some 4 billion years ago, blasting away much of its northern crust and creating a giant hole over 40 percent of the surface.


Scientists think big impact caused two-faced Mars

cormac
Teej
QUOTE (crystal sage @ Jun 26 2008, 08:32 PM) *
Well how long would a book physically last? or many of the films ..videos. we have today last? a few hundred years??? a thousand?


That's assuming they use the same forms of data storage that we do. Today we store data on plastic discs, the data of which can still be readable for a few hundred years ( Source ), while plastic (under the best conditions) can take thousands of years. I'm assuming a race thats capable of traveling through space would use something similar, if not better. In regards to your question on how long would an iPod work, it doesn't quite matter. If archaeologists using stratigraphy found an iPod (or anything plastic) dating back that long, then you'd have something to go on. Hell, it wouldn't even have to be readable still, or even about history; any technologically advanced remains would be good enough for me. How is it that we have plenty of organic remains from hundreds of millions of years ago, but not a single shard or piece of synthetic material?

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Note how many libraries.. artifacts were destroyed over the centuries during wars... witch hunts...religious/political mania..note the book burnings..destruction of relics in the last century... how ignorant people destroy clever gadgets.. amazing artifacts of the past that they have forgotten how to duplicate .,.. or even know what they were for... they fear what don't understand.. calling it evil.. devil's work...


And look how much remains!

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Look at some of those impressive buildings that 'man' has build throughout history... that we ..as a 'superior' technological civilization can't .. or have great difficulty trying to duplicate... going with the easy explanation eg for the pyramids.. that it was pure monotonous man power over decades to complete.. that if we accept that... and as one member here mathematically calculated , that the placing of all the stones, was it 1 minute per stone? to complete the pyramid in the said amount of time?..

We couldn't match that speed today, assuming that we could make.. carve the stones , in the said time frame.. if we could find enough talented craftsmen to do the job!!!


You're talking about experimental archaeology, where archaeologists try and replicate how people could have done something in the past. From what I understand, for most multi-person tasks they generally do not try and complete it in the same time, they just try and complete it. I'm sure thousands of slaves being worked to death will work much faster than a few archaeologists, grad students, and whatever volunteers/helpers they might have around. Not to mention the engineers back then were more experienced with the practices being performed than people trying to guess at how they did it.
Magnatude
Another explanation is posed by the Electric/Plasma cosmologists. A big Lightning strike (not talking about the ones we see today).
More info at thunderbolts.info
JonnyC
QUOTE (cormac mac airt @ Jun 27 2008, 06:04 AM) *
I don't know what the OP's original timeline is for Mars, but might this be an answer for "chunks of silica", etc.



Scientists think big impact caused two-faced Mars

cormac



Good post, Cormac. Very interesting...
crystal sage
QUOTE (JonnyC @ Jun , 08:47 PM)
Good post, Cormac. Very interesting...

More on that theory..
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http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/eph/eph2000.asp
wink2.gif The Late Heavy Bombardment

Planetary and moon explosions are not just a recent phenomenon. There is direct evidence for the explosion of one or more very large planets in the very early solar system. From studies of lunar rocks it is now known that the Moon, and presumably the entire solar system with it, underwent a “late heavy bombardment” of unknown origin not long after the major planets formed. The following are relevant descriptions of the event: [ix]

Mars May Be a Former Moon of a Now-Exploded Planet

Evidence that Mars is a former moon

The Original Solar System

Putting all this evidence together, we have strong hints for two original planets near what is now the main asteroid belt: hypothetical “Planet V” and “Planet K”. These were probably gas giant planets with moons of significant size, such as Mars, before they exploded. We have hints of two more asteroid belts, probably from the explosions of two more planets (“Planet T” and “Planet X”) beyond Neptune. And we have hints for two extra-large gas giant planets, “Planet A” and “Planet B”, that exploded back near the solar system beginning.

Of the existing nine major planets today, we have strong evidence that Mercury is an escaped moon of Venus [xi], Mars is an escaped moon of Planet V, and Pluto and its moon Charon are escaped moons of Neptune [xii]. If we eliminate these, then perhaps the original solar system consisted of 12 planets arranged in 6 “twin” pairs. Such an arrangement would be consistent with origin of all major planets and moons by the fission process. [xiii] This model makes a major prediction that will soon be tested: Extrasolar planets should arise in twin pairs also, with 2-to-1 orbital period resonances common. If so, then many cases that now appear to be single massive planets on highly elliptical orbits will turn out, when enough observations are accumulated, to be twin resonant planets on near-circular orbits.


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It does put another interesting slant to the theory!!!


Just think of how the orbits of the various planets would have been altered with the impact of these asteroids.
cormac mac airt
QUOTE (crystal sage @ Jun 27 2008, 06:58 PM) *
More on that theory..


wink2.gif

It does put another interesting slant to the theory!!!


Just think of how the orbits of the various planets would have been altered with the impact of these asteroids.


What's really interesting, I think, is how relatively uniform the orbits are overall considering how often various planets have been bombarded. Kind of amazing the orbits aren't somewhat like the aftereffects of breaking a rack of pool balls.

cormac
crystal sage
QUOTE (cormac mac airt @ Jun , 11:08 AM)
What's really interesting, I think, is how relatively uniform the orbits are overall considering how often various planets have been bombarded. Kind of amazing the orbits aren't somewhat like the aftereffects of breaking a rack of pool balls.

cormac




.... grin2.gif ... you mean knocked into 'black holes'?
crystal sage
Here's another theory, on the same track...

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http://www.eridu.co.uk/Author/human_origins/mars.html

The consensus among modern scientists is that Mars was once a vibrant world, with oceans of water, an atmosphere and a strong magnetic field.

Today, the oceans of water are gone, the atmosphere is gone and the magnetic field is nothing more than a barely detectable pulse.

What happened on Mars to turn it from a paradisiacal garden into a rusty-coloured wasteland?

The scientific consensus is that the Old Mars suffered a devastating bombardment from asteroids or comets. The results of this devastation are plain to see on the surface of the New Mars.


... Further to this speculation, some new and quite remarkable MGS photographs were publicised in early-2001 providing compelling evidence of (a) vegetation on the surface of Mars; and (cool.gif further artificial-looking structures. These discoveries were the subject of a press conference by Van Flandern in USA on 5th April 2001, and the images can be seen on his website http://metaresearch.org. In particular, I would draw attention to the enigmatic tube-like structures which resemble, in Van Flandern’s words, ‘an environmentally protected rapid transit system’.(13)

In summary, both Van Flandern and I are willing to entertain the idea that a human-like extraterrestrial race once lived upon Mars, and perhaps on another body in the original Planet V system, but migrated to Earth after its home world (or worlds) had been destroyed or made uninhabitable millions of years ago by the explosion of Planet V and one of its moons. Such a race might then have survived on the Earth, perhaps by hybridisation with a native terrestrial species, and might have retained a racial memory which generated the myths of the ‘golden age’, the ‘lost paradise’ and ‘the fall of man’.

The investigation continues.


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We'll be able to see soon enough once the Bigelow corporation get going... It seems that they can do it for a fraction of NASA's projected costs...

http://www.bigelowaerospace.com/

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/space/3701899.html
crystal sage
Libyan Desert Glass

http://www.towercrystals.com/impactites/li...lass/index.html

When the tomb of King Tutankhamen was opened a piece of jewelry was found with a Libyan Desert Glass scarab's body. At first it was thought to be chalcedony, but it is now considered to be Libyan Desert Glass. Libyan Desert Glass was treated like a precious stone and incorporated in jewellery in ancient Egypt. The find in Tutankhamen's tomb seems to confirm it.
LIBYAN DESERT GLASS GALLERY



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cool.gif I wonder if they glow in the dark?
Oniomancer
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Was just perusing the site on ancient atomic knowledge.. http://s8int.com/atomic1.html

Libyan desert glass created by???
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http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=63

(Photo:Olive green Trinitite formed in New Mexico as a result of atomic testing in 1945) and whilst mulling over these pictures.. and the mention of silica... I seem to remember photos of Mars that had similar silica stones... I find it quite interesting.. don't you?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/704821045/
http://www.astronet.ru/db/xware/msg/apod/2004-01-16


What I find interesting is how you managed to conflate a false-color image of fairly ordinary-looking dull brown rocks and another picture mentioning silica-rich soil into green "chunks of silica".
crystal sage
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http://www.rhoyos.com/english/trinitite/
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_glass
Desert glass, Libyan desert glass (LDG), Edeowie glass, or great sand sea glass is a substance found in areas in the Libyan Desert, as well as in deserts in Africa and South Australia. Fragments of desert glass can be found over large areas, up to tens of kilometers.
Geologic origin

The origin of the glass is a controversial issue for the scientific community, with many evolving theories. Meteoric origins for the glass were long suspected, but recent research linked the glass to impact mechanics, such as vaporized quartz and meteoric metals, and to an impact crater. Some geologists associate the glass not with impact melt ejecta, but with radiative melting from meteoric large aerial bursts. If that were the case, the glass would be analogous to trinitite, which is created from sand exposed to the thermal radiation of a fireball.
Oniomancer
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Crystal Sage wrote:
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http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/mer/images.cfm?id=363

crystal sage
QUOTE (Oniomancer @ Jul , 03:15 PM)




wink2.gif It looks wet doesn't it!

http://www.sandia.gov/LabNews/060915.html


The trip to study the Libyan Desert Glass provided an .... It looks strikingly like the surface of Mars, and sand sifts underfoot.


http://www.enterprisemission.com/can.htm

A most interesting feature came to light on Mars recently. ... It is a fact that in the image the feature looks like a "glass worm" -- especially if one


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cool.gif Dune !
http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/artman2/pu...ie_15180308.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(novel)
Oniomancer
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wink2.gif It looks wet doesn't it!


Without the false color, it looks...not green.

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A most interesting feature came to light on Mars recently. ... It is a fact that in the image the feature looks like a "glass worm"
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cool.gif Dune !



Naw, couldn't be. Remember, they've found evidence of water. Shai-hulud hate water. wink2.gif

Seriously, that is pretty interesting. Problem is, without a radar image, it's hard to tell what's an innie and what's an outie. To me, they look like stepped rills of some sort , the kind you'd expect at the bottom of a stream with a long, gradual fall.
Oniomancer
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To me, they look like stepped rills of some sort , the kind you'd expect at the bottom of a stream with a long, gradual fall.


Let me rephrase that. Rills are mini streamlets and the kind of thing I'm used to seeing those in. I meant stepped ridges or ripples. I think there's a precise term I was thinking of but I got conused with the other.
crystal sage
QUOTE (Oniomancer @ Jul , 02:54 PM)
Let me rephrase that. Rills are mini streamlets and the kind of thing I'm used to seeing those in. I meant stepped ridges or ripples. I think there's a precise term I was thinking of but I got conused with the other.

They could be evidence of some sort of Lava Tubes... NASA and other scientists seem to be interested in using lava tubes as a safe base for settlement, accessing water, construction.

happy.gif We'll become Cave dwellers once again!!!
http://www.argoverse.com/LAVATUBE.html
http://www.norwebster.com/astrohit/lavatube.html
http://www.4frontierscorp.com/areasoffocus...updateMay07.php
crystal sage
Added to that the technology of Test Tube Steaks!!!! yes.gif
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http://blogs.discovery.com/good_idea/2008/...tube-burge.html


But at last, there may be a near-future solution for those of us who are reluctant carnivores. Instead of raising and slaughtering animals for their flesh, what if the muscle cells that make up meat were cultured and grown in big vats in laboratory-factories?

The idea has been around for quite a while. Back in the late 1980s, the late academic and futurist Michael Hooker went around giving speeches in which he predicted that in vitro meat would be a staple of the 21st century. The actual science to support the notion came along a decade or so later, when Touro College bioengineer Morris Benjaminson and colleagues successfully took chunks of muscle tissue from a goldfish, immersed them in a vat of nutrient-rich liquid, and succeeded in growing miniature fish fillets. As this 2002 New Scientist article details, the Benjaminson and his research team actually went a bit further to test the artificial food’s palatability:

To get some idea whether the new muscle tissue would make acceptable food, they washed it and gave it a quick dip in olive oil flavoured with lemon, garlic and pepper. Then they fried it and showed it to colleagues from other departments. "We wanted to make sure it'd pass for something you could buy in the supermarket," he says. The results look promising, on the surface at least. "They said it looked like fish and smelled like fish, but they didn't go as far as tasting it," says Benjaminson.

Benjaminson envisioned in vitro meat as a potential food source for NASA astronauts on lengthy space voyages, but animal rights activists quickly glommed onto the concept as well. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has offered a $1 million reward to the first scientist who can develop a palatable synthetic meat and sell it to the public by 2012. As part of the contest, PETA proposes holding a taste test, using a cruelty-free fried chicken recipe.




The first in-vitro meat symposium was held last week in Norway. Yes, in-vitro meat, as in meat grown in a lab, from cell culture.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/forkintheroa...tube_meat_1.php
crystal sage
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http://beyond-the-illusion.com/files/New-F...mic_warfare.txt
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When the first atomic bomb exploded in New Mexico, the desert sand turned to fused green glass. This fact, according to the magazine Free World, has given certain archaeologists a turn. They have been digging in the ancient Euphrates Valley and have uncovered a layer of agrarian culture 8,000 years old, and a layer of herdsman culture much older, and a still older caveman culture. Recently, they reached another layer of fused green glass. It is well known that atomic detonations on or above a sandy desert will melt the silicon in the sand and turn the surface of the Earth into a sheet of glass. But if sheets of ancient desert glass can be found in various parts of the world, does it mean that atomic wars were fought in the ancient past or, at the very least, that atomic testing occurred in the dim ages of history?

This is a startling theory, but one that is not lacking in evidence, as such ancient sheets of desert glass are a geological fact. Lightning strikes can sometimes fuse sand, meteorologists contend, but this is always in a distinctive root-like pattern.

These strange geological oddities are called fulgurites and manifest as branched tubular forms rather than as flat sheets of fused sand.

Therefore, lightning is largely ruled out as the cause of such finds by geologists, who prefer to hold onto the theory of a meteor or comet strike as the cause. The problem with this theory is that there is usually no crater associated with these anomalous sheets of glass.

Brad Steiger and Ron Calais report in their book, Mysteries of Time and Space, that Albion W. Hart, one of the first engineers to graduate from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, was assigned an engineering project in the interior of Africa. While he and his men were travelling to an almost inaccessible region, they first had to cross a great expanse of desert.

"At the time he was puzzled and quite unable to explain a large expanse of greenish glass which covered the sands as far as he could see," writes Margarethe Casson in an article on Hart's life in the magazine Rocks and Minerals (no. 396, 1972).

She then goes on to mention: "Later on, during his life he passed by the White Sands area after the first atomic explosion there, and he recognized the same type of silica fusion which he had seen fifty years earlier in the African desert."

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