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Myles
I know of all the fears and disastrous possibilities associated with global warming, but lets see how many good things can come from it.

More farmable land and longer growing seasons.

Discoveries - (fossils burried where ice once was)
Mattshark
QUOTE (Myles @ Jun 24 2008, 08:31 PM) *
I know of all the fears and disastrous possibilities associated with global warming, but lets see how many good things can come from it.

More farmable land and longer growing seasons.

Discoveries - (fossils burried where ice once was)

That is not something likely to happen. More desertification and less available dry land due to flooding.
Wickian
QUOTE (Mattshark @ Jun 24 2008, 08:05 PM) *
That is not something likely to happen. More desertification and less available dry land due to flooding.

There are good sides and bad sides to any type of climate change really.

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=13860

Warmer winters would be much better for those who live in snowy climates.

Warmer is healthier in terms of helping to prevent the spread of malaria, cholera, and yellow fever. Some research suggests that these diseases would have a harder time spreading in a warmer climate.


http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/...-co2-the-cause/

More CO2 helps plants grow faster and live longer. Although CO2 isn't a major greenhouse gas anyway, water vapor is.


I won't argue that some places won't decline due to a warmer climate, but there are many other places that will greatly benefit.
Mattshark
QUOTE (Wickian @ Jun 24 2008, 11:09 PM) *
There are good sides and bad sides to any type of climate change really.

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=13860

Warmer winters would be much better for those who live in snowy climates.

Warmer is healthier in terms of helping to prevent the spread of malaria, cholera, and yellow fever. Some research suggests that these diseases would have a harder time spreading in a warmer climate.


http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/...-co2-the-cause/

More CO2 helps plants grow faster and live longer. Although CO2 isn't a major greenhouse gas anyway, water vapor is.


I won't argue that some places won't decline due to a warmer climate, but there are many other places that will greatly benefit.

I'd say CO2 concentrations increasing a couple of thousand percent would be considered an significant increase.
The Mule
Total change of life as we know it, better than a revolution. Millions will die, giving the survivors better bargaining leverage for jobs. Land values will increase (shouldnt they be already in spots that won't flood??)
glyndowers heir
QUOTE (Myles @ Jun 24 2008, 08:31 PM) *
I know of all the fears and disastrous possibilities associated with global warming, but lets see how many good things can come from it.

More farmable land and longer growing seasons.

Discoveries - (fossils burried where ice once was)



One good thing: the sea level will rise and my sisters house near Birmingham (UK) will become beachfront property and we will Make a fortune giving tourists and dive enthusiasts - glass bottomed boat trips over the drowned cities of the British isles. tongue.gif

One bad thing: My house near Aberystwyth will be one of the main attractions of these trips crying.gif
Wickian
QUOTE (Mattshark @ Jun 24 2008, 11:10 PM) *
I'd say CO2 concentrations increasing a couple of thousand percent would be considered an significant increase.

CO2 itself is increasing yes, but humans have only added around .117% to the worldwide level of co2. Overall we've only added .28% of the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. I myself consider less than 1/3 of a single % to be negligible.
Mattshark
QUOTE (Wickian @ Jun 25 2008, 01:20 AM) *
CO2 itself is increasing yes, but humans have only added around .117% to the worldwide level of co2. Overall we've only added .28% of the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. I myself consider less than 1/3 of a single % to be negligible.

Not it has risen 35% since the start of industrial revolution.
It is significant.
And you know, I think NOAA are a more reliable source than you NOAA - CO2, you have had how much training in climatology?
Mattshark
QUOTE (glyndowers heir @ Jun 25 2008, 12:08 AM) *
One good thing: the sea level will rise and my sisters house near Birmingham (UK) will become beachfront property and we will Make a fortune giving tourists and dive enthusiasts - glass bottomed boat trips over the drowned cities of the British isles. tongue.gif

One bad thing: My house near Aberystwyth will be one of the main attractions of these trips crying.gif

Liverpool is already a hill grin2.gif we'll just be a smaller hill.
Wickian
QUOTE (Mattshark @ Jun 25 2008, 04:06 AM) *
Not it has risen 35% since the start of industrial revolution.
It is significant.
And you know, I think NOAA are a more reliable source than you NOAA - CO2, you have had how much training in climatology?

There really is nothing we agree on is there lol. If I remember right you and me seem to have different opinions on most everything. All I have to say is time will prove my stance on global warming right, and I'm willing to wait worry free.
Incorrigible1
Global warming good...............


Canada will be growing some great cotton, tobacco, and corn. Bananas?
Dragohunter
QUOTE (Myles @ Jun 24 2008, 07:31 PM) *
I know of all the fears and disastrous possibilities associated with global warming, but lets see how many good things can come from it.

More farmable land and longer growing seasons.

Discoveries - (fossils burried where ice once was)


There maybe more longer growing seasons, but there are more negative problems. First of all, sea level rise gets ride of land sources so that cancels out with what you're saying. And although there are longer growing seasons, warming seasons increase the population of weeds and that is becoming a huge problem for farmers. The population of Ragweed (only one kind of weed) has more than double for the past 50 years. Also, there's much much much more negative possibilites than positive ones. And for discovering the fossils, do you think that is worth it for the destruction of the Earth??
Malakthrin
QUOTE (Myles @ Jun 24 2008, 03:31 PM) *
I know of all the fears and disastrous possibilities associated with global warming, but lets see how many good things can come from it.

More farmable land and longer growing seasons.

Discoveries - (fossils burried where ice once was)



Ocean-front property on Antarctica! Although I am pretty sure I heard something about the Antarctic Ice shelves are getting larger, but I may be wrong.
Mattshark
QUOTE (Malakthrin @ Jun 25 2008, 05:57 PM) *
Ocean-front property on Antarctica! Although I am pretty sure I heard something about the Antarctic Ice shelves are getting larger, but I may be wrong.

A couple are, most are not.
Copasetic
QUOTE (Mattshark @ Jun 25 2008, 01:06 PM) *
A couple are, most are not.



Thats not true. Most of Antarctica is gaining ice. The Ross Ice Shelf, has been breaking off huge ice bergs year after year. That is what gets reported year after year. Interestingly the Ross shelf makes up 2% of Antarctica.

Furthermore, Antarctica has suffered serious ecosystem damage from increasingly colder temperatures. More interestingly the colder temperatures seen in Antarctica are reversing a 6,000 year melting trend......


Surprisingly its the same thing in the North as well. For instance, coastal glaciers in Greenland are receding at a rate lower than Greenland's interior glaciers are gaining ice.
Mattshark
QUOTE (Copasetic @ Jun 26 2008, 02:07 AM) *
Thats not true. Most of Antarctica is gaining ice. The Ross Ice Shelf, has been breaking off huge ice bergs year after year. That is what gets reported year after year. Interestingly the Ross shelf makes up 2% of Antarctica.

Furthermore, Antarctica has suffered serious ecosystem damage from increasingly colder temperatures. More interestingly the colder temperatures seen in Antarctica are reversing a 6,000 year melting trend......


Surprisingly its the same thing in the North as well. For instance, coastal glaciers in Greenland are receding at a rate lower than Greenland's interior glaciers are gaining ice.

I have not seen anything about that, but I would be interested in it. Mainly because Antarctic life is so interesting and amazing.
Myles
QUOTE (Dragohunter @ Jun 25 2008, 12:48 PM) *
There maybe more longer growing seasons, but there are more negative problems. First of all, sea level rise gets ride of land sources so that cancels out with what you're saying. And although there are longer growing seasons, warming seasons increase the population of weeds and that is becoming a huge problem for farmers. The population of Ragweed (only one kind of weed) has more than double for the past 50 years. Also, there's much much much more negative possibilites than positive ones. And for discovering the fossils, do you think that is worth it for the destruction of the Earth??


Why did you post in this thread? The question isn't if it's worth it. I'm just interested in the inevitable positives that may come from global warming. Everyone knows the negatives outway the positives but we must take advantage of the positives.

Will plants, trees and such grow at a noticably faster rate? Can we use that in farming or logging?

Ragweed - the next fuel source.
Wickian
QUOTE (Mattshark @ Jun 26 2008, 01:53 AM) *
I have not seen anything about that, but I would be interested in it. Mainly because Antarctic life is so interesting and amazing.

It's true. I'm not sure about the Arctic gaining more ice(I haven't researched that) but the Antarctic is indeed gaining. Instead of just posting a link, here's two satellite measurements.

The first is from 1979linked-image

The second is from 2007linked-image

Mattshark
QUOTE (Wickian @ Jun 26 2008, 10:54 PM) *
It's true. I'm not sure about the Arctic gaining more ice(I haven't researched that) but the Antarctic is indeed gaining. Instead of just posting a link, here's two satellite measurements.

The first is from 1979linked-image

The second is from 2007linked-image

Checked up that site, compared it to the site they source and strangely the two do not correlate. They are saying the exact opposite of NSIDC which they are claiming as there sources.
They no change in Arctic sea and their source says: NSIDC - Arctic Sea Ice.
And the same source also reports decreases in Antarctic ice shelves. NSIDC - Antarctic Ice Shelves.
Guardsman Bass
What are some benefits of Global Warming?

Some higher-latitude areas in North America and Asia (in particular, Siberia - assuming no major issues with the melting permafrost - and Canada) with access to decent water supplies will become much more promising to agriculture. Warmer temperatures will reduce cold deaths (but this is a mixed blessing, since extreme temperatures, including hot temperatures, can more than make up for that with deaths - witness Europe in the summer of 2003). Some plants will benefit from higher CO2 levels as long as they have access to water supplies.

The problem, of course, is that these things are all heavily outweighed by the potential negatives. It doesn't do you much good if northern Canada becomes more fertile to crops if the US Great Plains have turned into a permanent dust bowl and/or desert at the same time, or if the glaciers in the Himalayas collapse in size resulting in erratic and badly timed water supplies to anyone dependent on the myriad of rivers that flow out of them (think half of the world's population).
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